I agree with most of it. I don't think the Eruptor needed to get hit as hard as it did, and the crossbow even less. Most other stuff I'm on board with. The Quasar needed to be brought in line with the other anti tanks, and fixing the resupply buff was a buff to the recoilless indirectly so that helps on that end of the three anti tanks. The laser Rover trivialized bug swarm a bit too much, it needed to be brought down a bit. I'm fine with that. The buffs and fixes that exist are welcome. I think overall players got a bit stronger as a whole - particular load outs nonwithstanding. A lot of the stuff that got ammo decreases got resupply increases so their economy is about the same or better. I don't care about the laser recharge ammo decreases - they have enough reserves still considering their nature. Solo players maybe should expect to reduce difficulty a notch - which is totally okay. Solo helldive should be considered the ultimate challenge in a challenging game anyway... not something most should do or want to do all the time. I'm a bit worried about the striders, those things hit like trucks and I counted on my grenade pistol a lot to have an answer to them off a fresh drop in.
Solo helldiver was legit too easy, stealth play pretty much prevented bot drops and bug breaches. The added patrols just made it more required to play more stealthily. It's still a possible clear by crawling around and playing like solid snake. P.S: you can cause explosions to distract patrols.
So this was clarified by a Dev on the discord. The multiplier for patrols are supposed to be 1/4. But going into solo it was currently set at 1/6 and it was just readjusted to 1/4. The rest of the patch I'm okay with.
The -15% Fire Damage unfortunately seems to effect (among other things) the Breaker Incendiary. Before this strange nerf, you could shoot the smallest bug (the Scavenger) up close with a burst of burning pellets and it would start to die in a couple of seconds. After the nerf it will now take around 3 full shots up close of burning pellets to kill it, effectively making the Breaker Incendiary a much less effective crowd control weapon, to the point of it feeling useless again on higher levels. I'm sad, since this was such a tricky but fun weapon.
as a big solo player because I'm sick of constantly getting kicked for no reason I'm honestly a lot less interested in the game now they've screwed up solo play and making bullets bounce back at you will just piss me off after a while because when I've got a load of bots on me I'm not focusing on what parts I'm shooting I'm just shooting the hell out of them just to survive😕
@@IgorZhuravlev Have you literally not seen the 600 medals you need to unlock most basic equipment, or did being carried by your friends through the harder difficulties make you blind?
@@Brown95P So like participate in ~8 global orders accomplishing personal in parallel? OMG TOTALLY DEVASTATING... The whole 3 weeks of playing! Actual basic equipment enough for everything is Punisher (for Bots), Breaker (for bugs), Quasar and Autocannon. The biggest gemechanger is stun grenade, but it is locked by supercredits, not medals. The same with JAR-5 (which in combo with laser Dog makes bugs easier). The only useful item hidden under a lot of medals is Scorcher.
I'm an average solo player and really enjoy this game. The lastest patch punishes solo play with the increase to enemy patrols. I play at lower difficulty and now I am struggling in games that should be straight forward. Why are the devs targeting sections of their player community (solo)? The current patch/version of the game is not enjoyable anymore.
Never mind, I just realised the spawns of enemies are reduced to 1/4 when you play alone. It was 1/6 before. Its litterly a skill issue and I thought they made it harder for solo Player, while they are making it easier
Whats the problem to just play at lower difficulty when solo? It doesn't feel like a punishment. As for me I would be happy if EVERYTHING would be determined just by difficulty, with zero dependance on how many players are in game.
I don't mind them making changes to weapons, because the community always finds a way to overcome it. But swarming you with enemy's in lower levels solo is disheartening. I group up with my grandkids on the weekend for some higher level fun, but during the week I solo for medals and samples. Now they've made it frustrating to do so. Can't even bring up a stratagem while being swarmed!!!
This is not actually what happens. The amount of enemies spawned for solo & teams of >4 players was supposed to be based on linear progression. But it was bugged, so they fixed it. Solo players were originally getting 1/6th of the enemies that a full team would get. They patched it to be closer to 1/4th, as was intended.
Honestly just feels like they don’t want us to have fun and use certain weapons I had a teammate that let me pick up and use their eruptor yesterday and it was super fun so I bought the DD warbond and didn’t even unlock it yet and woke up to it being nerfed and my plasma punisher hurts too that was my main weapon It honestly feels like they don’t play their game
Even if they do play it, they don’t have to grind like we do to unlock premium war bonds, to get the weapon everybody brags about, only to have it Nerf to shit.
Can I just say I appreciate the effort you went into making this video and adding footage of all the weapons so people know the weapons you are talking about. You didn't just do a video of you talking over the Patch Notes. Very Democratic of you.
Even before the changes to them I liked the regular guard dog for bots. It popped their heads pretty consistently on the smaller guys which meant less flairs and bot drops. Also, everyone that I've seen comment on the patrol changes never includes the bit before what's shown here in the video. They intended for a solo player to only have 1/4 of the patrols compared to the normal amount for 4 players, but they fucked it up and actually had it set to 1/6 instead. This patch fixed that so now its 1/4 as was intended instead of 1/6, so that's the only increase you'll be seeing. That part of context is very important.
@@skal-tel8077 oh for Christ sakes if somebody uses the difficulty as an excuse one more time I might blow my head off, that’s exactly what everyone was saying after that first update till a few days went by and everyone realized the spawn rates of shit was insane
Welp, I'm out... making it impossible to play for solo means I've just been patched out. And it really is impossible; the patrols just don't ever stop coming, and that's on Challenging. It's not set to 25%; I was playing this afternoon and it was literally one after another after another, sometimes showing up two at a time from cleared spawns.
1-3 extra patrols that are optional to stary with aren't that difficult. Your stuck because your reckless gun and explosive use keeps attracting evetyone and your not moving to next object as you kill. Unless there are hives, those fliers, detection towers and gunships are detection pain.
Eh, the only i'd change about bots is the hulk flamethrower range, instant kill, Jetpack burning/explosion damage, and how quickly none command troopers(One pistol, one blade) send up flares. Have a extra 2 seconds to track down all the other troopers before flare is all i'd suggest.
@@mindsight9732 I'd also say slower fire rate for all units. Not necessarily by much, and probably differs from unit to unit because some are more guilty than others.
They pretty much nerfed all the latest warbond weapons. I don’t understand why they would bring weapons in with “explosive” damage then decide to nerf all the AoE damage. Making the new weapons arguably worse than non explosive weapons. The only positives I see from the patch notes are the dmr damage increase, the adjudicator is better than the penetrator now, and the senator has a speed loader on full 6 reload. 😑
I subscribed because you're the only content creator I could find who couples patch notes discussion with footage that is actually relevant to the discussion. Thanks for doing it right. Suggestion: I'd like to have seen the adjudicator up against bots- since it is supposedly medium armor pen.
I just started playing this game about a week ago, and I’m a solo player 90% of the time. It’s has been so much fun so far. But this patch hit hard! I just tried a hard mission and the bug numbers were just too much!
Who ever said the Sickle total mag nerf wasnt really a nerf because "muh infinite ammo" definitely never played higher than Diff5 and never played solo, especially in Blitz mission where the total enemy being group up into a small map + short mission timer Basically being carried by actual competent players that actually reload their weapon
The burning damage from all sources, across the board, is reduced by 15%. This means burning damage you take, burning damage you give out, burning damage from enemies, burning damage from you, burning damage enemies take. All of it.
This patch mainly nerf almost every weapon in the game and tremendous increase enemies on solo mission. You will encouter large enemy group patrols very often. Why turture solo player? Weapons like Testla Tower, smoke bomb and Barrier orbital still useless as before. Still, bug fixes are appreciate.
Nerf nerf nerf solo difficulty raised but why? I am tired its hard enough soloing dif. 7+ for me. Now its getting more impossible! Not everyone is a youtuber and has the time to sweat for a higher difficulty!
I use to play tier 6 and 7 normal but these recent patches has made them crazy hard. We wasted 15 to 20 reinforments just to take out 2 gunship towers. I can't even figure out what primary to use anymore now that they ruined the eruptor
Gutted to see the Guard Dog Rover nerf, but also not surprised. Running away from a few bugs, it would uninterrupted kill spewers, hunters, the lot. Made some stuff too easy tbh.
People make a mountain out of molehill, there was no significant nerf, quasar still powerful you just have to wait extra 5 seconds for recharge now, as long as you not killing something like very large enemies you still down everything with one shot, I never tried the Blitzer I tried it now thanks to the buff and I love it, atleast this way I can try other weapons and different playstyles, instead of playing 100 missions with the same loadout.
I love helldivers 2 as a game concept, but I can't wrap my head around their constant decisions to nerf the player over and over. We had unneeded nerfs to ammo and fire rate for weapons the community enjoyed using and blatantly, pointlessly low damage increases to weapons no one uses. While they were at it they buffed enemies and raised spawns to fuck over solo players while their match making still barely works. The number of times I have tossed a SOS beacon during a 40 minute mission and had NO ONE join by the time I finished it is not small. It's like they are a crotchety old dude sitting on their porch hearing kids having the audacity to be having fun somewhere near by. They worry far more about nerfing the player than they do about fixing glaring issues. DOT damage is still broken for everyone but the host... but by all means nerf guard dogs...
@@mindsight9732bro are u one of the fuvking developers….u keep defending this BS update when it’s literally unplayable. it’s a night and day difference from how it was even a day ago. this game is gunna start declining immediately unless they fix this trash patch
The Quasar nerf was expected. The laser cannon nerf was unnecessary and stupid. This was the reason why I didn't even bother with the Devastator, they always end up nerfing the good ones. Most changes here are either unnecessary, pointless or just poorly thought out.
Just done with this game. This game has more nerfs than new content. Done with the rollercoaster week to week of nerfs followed by nerfs. It doesn't matter what gun you migrate to it will just be nerfed until its unfun. I'll check back into the game after a few years once its calmed down and stabilized itself or the balance guy is fired.
I think the laser cannon is actually stronger against weak/normal enemies and the same against heavies, since they buffed overall and nerfed heavy damage, so might be unchanged for them? Making it more versatile if so. Same with rover change. It uses scythe so might have nerfed it to keep it in like with what it was before cause of scythe buff. I think they're just bad at clarifying these things in notes.
All these people whining, I also drop solo, on Helldive. I love the increase patrols, it requires you to keep a low profile and pick your battles, which you should already be doing anyway. The swarms are so fun to blast away.
"It requires to keep a low profile" My brother in christ, there are patrols that knows where you are 24/7. This patrol and spawn rates changes are ass. People are criticising this trend of updates, not whining.
I like a lot of this patch but at the same time it almost feels like they are buffing/nerfing guns based on *popularity* and not necessarily viability, which is a shame. Also the patrol change is absolutely mind boggling and I can't see any reason for them to add that to the game at all.
Devs clarified that what happened was they originally screwed up and had the solo difficulty set to 1/6th compared to a 4 man squad (for the patrol changes), it should have been 1/4th the difficulty of the 4 man squad. This patch corrects that and brings it back up to 1/4th. The patch notes unfortunately didn't clarify that and so it sounds like a really stupid change, but it makes sense with the context. That said, I don't think a lot of people have really had time to try out the solo properly (its been less than 24 hours) to see if it really is too difficult now, I felt like solo missions were too easy before, so this change makes sense to me.
This is becoming just tiring at this point, I'm just done with the game, after a horrible helldive mission yesterday at the end of my night I was not so eager to play anymore, and now comes this patch and just finishes for me. I'm going to just drop a negative review, not recommending the game and move on, was having fun with ER yesterday, time to make another character for the DLC, also go back to Deep rock to get me some materials before the new season. Also play Manor Lords and finally start my octopath traveler playthrough.
Devs area going out their way to ruin the game. Some people like solo diving. Lets nerf weapons in a PVE game, where PVP is discouraged. But we're nerfing stuff even though there aren't any new enemys or change to balance to call for it.
They buffed most weapons though, and the quaser recharging in your pocket is nothing compared to taking a knee with recoiless or the expendable strategem.
Maybe a live service PvE isnt viable. This patch stinks. They just create and push players to a new meta each patch. The game isnt evolving. It's quickly becoming stagnant.
Not only do we have less lives to deal with bugs or bots, now there is more bugs and bots. Can't wait for them to nerf Eagle Cluster. Because that's literally the only stratagem that you have to bring because you can't clear anything without it. Bugs annoying now because everything just slows you down or instant kills you. Bots are just.... Vietnam flashbacks but also being in World War 2 flashbacks, while you are still trying to hunker down in your World War 1 trench.
Devs clarified that what happened was they originally screwed up and had the solo difficulty set to 1/6th compared to a 4 man squad, it should have been 1/4th the difficulty of the 4 man squad. This patch corrects that and brings it back up to 1/4th. The patch notes unfortunately didn't clarify that and so it sounds like a really stupid change, but it makes sense with the context. That said, I don't think a lot of people have really had time to try out the solo properly (its been less than 24 hours) to see if it really is too difficult now, I felt like solo missions were too easy before, so this change makes sense to me.
Yeah I really enjoy this game and what is in about and getting into the role play side of it. That said, them trying to force people to play together now by enforcing heavy penalties is not appropriate. Very disappointing to see.
Well, they did it, they pushed me away from a game a loved. I fell in love with the eruptor and now it’s useless to me. Even with 12 mags I would run out of ammo in every other game, depending on how crazy it gets and now it also has reduced AOE. I have never played a game so religiously before and now I’m done.
@@clutchitup8565 I lot of my friends say the same but I loved it. It was fun to me and I would run out of ammo with it almost every game because things would get so intense. Despite that, I would often get the highest accuracy and kill count in the game because my role was to eliminate the little guys. Now, it’s useless to what I liked to do.
How, i use maybe 3 mags a game, 6 vs bugs, unless it's defend the nukes. Erupter is great for avoiding fights, and one shots so many things. Breaks bot legs, snipes heads, snipe bug mouths. Avoid chargers/titans/none strider miniguns/hulks.
@@mindsight9732 Playing higher difficulties, I guess. It doesn’t always happen, but I usually play with one friend and 2 randoms. When things get chaotic and you have wave after wave of enemies and someone calls in the resupply half way across the map, you run out of ammo quick. It’s 5 rounds per mag. Taking out medium size bases or nests usually leaves with almost no ammo. I use the rifle to take out everything including fabricators and bug holes.
One of the major issues with this game right from the beginning was 'Out of ammo!' and 'Last Reload!' during missions. It's not like you have anything else to fight with once all the ammo is gone. So what in the unholy hell were they thinking when they did this, reducing ammo on so many weapons? If anything, they should be buffing clip sizes and amount, not nerfing it. Them buffing the bots even more is... a lot of words come to mind, and none of them good. Let's just say it's not making me want to play the game more. I have a friend who is trying to teach me how to play up to Helldive difficulty and I've been doing decently. This is like setting me back several weeks of training. And them making it harder for content creators to make solo game content is literally self destructive. Every video made is free publicity; why on earth would they make it harder to make, or more of a struggle? 'But it's a team based game!' ...take a look at Steam forums and read about skilled players getting kicked at extraction so they get nothing, or people just randomly trolling by kicking players for no reason and tell me that again. Everyone is in it for themselves, unless you have a real friend to play with online. When they can fix THAT, THEN make solo play less viable, not before.
resupply for the three players and ammo points of intrest for the loner are usually more then enough. How is ammo a issue? even them they only touch a weapon with infinite ammo and a weapon with a low rate of fire and one shots any light or medium enemy, while it tickles heavy enemies. Well tjose and that crossbow that is struggling.
Bruw im not commenting here cuz i want to but holly sht game got harder im used to experiemce shtshow like this at difficulty 7 and above, i had a random match on 5th difficulty against bugs and holy moly it made me feel level 10 and im level 79 and no skill issue here since we played 2 players spawn rate was absurd... overall not a fun of this update Basicaly if ur not running full squad get ready to have some fun cuz spawn rate of breaches and patrols and the amout of enemys in those waves is just fked up.
It's a game, it's supposed to be fun. There's nothing fun about a nerf. What really makes no sense is the people who trash people who use "meta". I just don't get it why do you care what other people are using, especially if it helps the team. You don't like using "good" "meta" guns fine great you do you, but stop trashing people for enjoying the game then being upset when what they enjoyed about it was nerfed. Ffs it's pve you trolls.
Arrowhead is upset bc the game is unfair! So everything gets a nerf! lol. Arrowhead thought this was a PvP game and called for more nerfs lol. Arrowhead employees are some of the dumbest people in the the gaming industry and accidentally made a good game. But now they can’t get out of their own way, and keep for destroying what makes the game fun to play. Arrowhead get your house in order!
So for those of you complaining about the changes to the spawn rates all they did was tweak it slightly, it's gone from seeing 1/6 the amount of enemies solo that'd you see in a team of 4 to now 1/4 the amount of enemies.
another fool fooled by lazy coding that doesnt solve the problem. solving the problem would have been disabling vaulting on supply drops. but they were too lazy. so instead they are just like "well you can turn off the entire function globally". what a lazy, crappy solution. No one will keep this off, bc it's too tough to vault over stuff like rocks now which you need to do all the time in HD. lazy, stupid development.
This patch has made me lose all interest in the game. I literally uninstalled after a few matches. Crossbow is fucking hot trash now. Quasar? Hot fucking trash. They buffed the scythe but guess what. Its still hot fucking trash!!! The list goes on and on wtf.
crossbow was trash, quaser litterally just takes longer to multishot heavies(still don't need to take a knee to recharge it). Your not supposed to run the battery out on the sickle, so they made it more punishing to do so. Not like resupply doesn't exist and you can't find 6 boxes of ammo in ditches. and 1-3 extra parols you don't have to fight are breaking your game. geeze the whiney with this guy.
@mindsight9732 yes because these devs have delevoped a habit of just nerfing wherever people are using calling it balacing instead of actually fixing the game or fixing the trash that no one uses. Friends list is still broken. Fire damge How many times are they going to fix it? On top of the lets talk about the super expensive 25 percent fire dmg increase upgrade. Then 2 weeks later a 15 percent fire dmg nerf. The devs are chasing thier tails and literally no one has said anything positive about this patch.
I bet you most players complaining haven't even played the patch yet.. Stop crying and test it out and then provide feedback after a few days. The " im not playing this game again " mentality due to updates is getting really old.
One of my main issues is I keep getting checkered from all sides. I'll be so close to dealing with a squad of heavy bullshit. Only to have another crawl right up my ass and spawn red dots everywhere. This was on level five. I assume on 7 and higher the game just fucking stabs you through the screen
People be way too ready to judge after the patch has been out for less than 24 hours, haven't given themselves time to accurately review the patch and they're just going off of the patch notes instead of how the game actually feels. Not saying that the patch doesn't have bad things in it, but like...people be whining about how this patch makes the game a bait and switch ripoff and they want a refund, and Arrowhead has betrayed them...is a little ridiculous.
The Meta. I’m a vet from the previous game. If your channel cites the Meta; I think you’re here for the short term. Move onto the next one. I suggest being an electrician.
Another Nerf patch for no clear reason other than they can. I have 0 faith in this devs team. They couldn't balance a checkbook book and nerfed the only good weapon out of the last warbond.
How was the Eruptor nerfed? Meaningless magazine number change and some undefined explosion range change. Can you see a difference in game for the explosion? How often did you use more then six mags before getting more?
@@icemanespoo2977 I love using the Eruptor till this patch. I can totally see a difference in game for the explosions of it. I can shoot at one bug and take out about 4 to 6 of them. Now? I can shoot one bug, take about 2 to 4 out and before I get the next shot ready to use, I'm being over swarmed with them. It's an EXPLOSIVE weapon and they literally took the boom out of it. I don't even care about the clip change, though, I was already going thru the clips like crazy before the patch. It makes absolutely no sense. If you want us to use more of the other weapons, better the other weapons... Don't make them all suck.
They said it 2 weeks ago, they will do a massive update... so how you make a massive update if you didn;t do shit for 2 weeks? change numbers, put it on a list, and make it long.... you got a massive update that fixes nothing, and f up everything=))
I'm getting kind of tired of trying a weapon out enjoying the hell out of it and then the response from the devs is to nerf it into oblivion? Are they trying to get people to stop playing?
@@johnnybgoode8104 Or perhaps the "better" weapons are too good and make gameplay trivial rather than challenging. There is a reason the term "balance" is used when adjusting weapons stats
I agree with every change except that they make solo play harder. I get that you dont want to market for everyone, but cmon. My internet isnt stable enough to play with friends : (
The difficulty was supposed to be 1/4 of what it is with 4 players, however they screwed up and made it 1/6 the difficulty as with 4 players, so this increases the difficulty to the intended 1/4. They didn't explain this in the patch notes though so everyone is pissed at them lol.
@@futuza Yea its kinda how humans work. They assume they managed higher diff cause they are oh so good players while they realy just arent. Thats the only reason people complain about reasonable nerfs. ,,Oh I dont have so much success with this particular weapon anymore, the game must be broken" Humans will be humans. Biased and unaware
@@mindsight9732 it's not that simple, i've playing on dif6 solo and the increased amount of patrols is insane, not to mention the short time period they reach you, patrols also seeks you even without seeing you.
I just ran a level 2 to try out the revolver and liberator changes (the revolver feels incredible now) and I killed 251 enemies in 18 minutes. The "increased patrols" spawn about 80m from you already walking in your direction. I'm basically shelving thee game until a new warbond drops. I don't have any reason to play now.
I will never understand people trying to play a game like this solo, but good luck in your search for a proper single player game. This isn't that, and I am glad they aren't catering to it.
@@25xxfrostxx and I will never understand why someone wants to play a game completely counter to the way it was designed, when there are games SPECIFICALLY made for people like them. I don’t care how you play it, but I also don’t care that it got nerfed. You shouldn’t be able to farm credits and samples without actually interfacing with the game as it’s designed. And THAT is why they made it harder to solo.
@@briannewman532 Have you maybe considered the fact that randoms can be treasonous griefers and that someone may not have friends to play this game with? Or, y'know, that you need like *_SIX HUNDRED MEDALS_* just to get most basic equipment? Super credits literally do not matter *_at all_* unless the devs release a new warbond or there's actually something meaningful in the superstore for once; you need to stop thinking farmers do it to cheat the devs out of potential money.
@@Brown95P cry more dude, it’s not a single player game. What you’re describing is extremely rare. I have over 230 hours in the game and have encountered griefers maybe twice? There’s no way to prevent it, but you’re describing it like it’s an epidemic that’s forced you to play solo, and that’s a fucking lie. Furthermore, if you want to play solo, fine, but don’t whine about them making it harder to play the game contrary to how they envisioned it. The ENTIRE game is built on cooperative team play. Honestly, they should just eliminate the ability to drop in solo at all, and then you could all go play something else instead of shitting your pants in the comment section of RUclips.
God forbid they tune their squad-based multiplayer game for multiple players. Playing solo was basically an exploit. Go fuck around in some other game. No one is going to miss you.
People that try to defend the anti-solo mindset are literally just being carried by their friends; they do not understand how common griefers are in randoms or the ridiculous amount of medals you need just to unlock most basic equipment when the lower difficulties provide virtually none.
@@Brown95P dude I play EXCLUSIVELY with randoms. I’m 50 years old, I don’t have any friends that play video games. What you’re talking about rarely ever happens.
@@briannewman532 Yeah, ok dude, well l'm 68 years old and l don't have the time or patience anymore to roll my luck for respectable teammates in-between all the game-breaking glitches just so l can actually earn the 600 or so medals l need to unlock most of the basic equipment.
I feel like they sacrificed lower level solo players because they were a bit embarrassed by the guys doing solo Helldiver difficulty missions easily. A bad move in my opinion.
Litterally 0 effect on the guys you mentioned doing lv9 solo, maybe a extra minute of pathing around patrols on a 40 minute map. Nothings really changed for solo play, more optional patrols walking around.
@@DemonsCyclesIBZhow many times has this happened to you might I ask? Also, have you tried anything else like looking on discord for people to play with instead of immediately going solo? There are other options to having friends who play the game and randoms.
@@mindsight9732 You've replied on nearly every single comment criticizing the spawn increases saying the same thing every single time. Consult your doctor if grass touching is right for you.
@@mindsight9732 I usually run with a friend of mine. The swarms at extraction are much larger now. They overrun turrets almost instantly. I've taken to calling down my mech just for extracting, since they last much longer than a turret ( both ammo and health). I know it isn't a problem for the difficulty 9 guys, but a new solo player would most likely be really turned off by this. They're going after the wrong people if they wanted to prevent solo Helldives. I think it would be no problem with a 3 man group, but we're having trouble convincing others on our circle to pick up the game. If they are so overwhelmed at the start, they are not likely to want to keep playing.
I can confirm that the laser cannon is the same against heavy enemies as it was before, The reduction is just to compensate for the base damage being increased.
What the devs meant (according to Discord) is that they deal less damage against bellies of insects (and the like), more damage against heads and critical spots
how is 1-3 extra patrols shafting anyone, if you try to clear every patrol past lv5, your gonna in misdion till the tiner runs out. Patrols are optional.
I'm happy with the speed-loader (though I still think an 8 shot chamber would've been more effective), and thank God the hulk flamethrower was nerfed. That said, I would've traded most of this update for a stinger that works, less fire-tornados spawning at a given time, and more work on the match-making. If you're going to push multiplayer, to the point that you're punishing solo play, matchmaking should function better, and be more user friendly. I think patrol spawns should only vary based on difficulty, and mission type, not number of divers.
It just feels like in the beginning almost any load out was viable, and the more they tweak, the more specific weapons just shine. And as new weapons are added, I fear they will struggle to find unique reasons to use them. The adjudicator fix works, I suppose, but effectively they just removed a marksman rifle, I stead of fixing it.
What’s the issue with matchmaking? Mine works flawlessly. I’m not caring about any of these nerfs or whatever to weapons most people are crying about. The only one I don’t get it why make it harder for solo players. Odd
@@Thatbeardedguy86 I get peoples frustrations over finding a weapon that suits their play style and having it change (sometimes pretty heavily). Matchmaking still gets buggy, at least on PS5, so after you launch missions and play with a team, the next mission just won't prioritize people, and no one joins. Restart fixes it, but I often end up soloing because of it. I don't understand adding more patrols based on number of players.
@@calvinator7119 ahh I’m on PC. Never had any issues so far. I mean I get being upset if you love a weapon but I don’t feel any of these nerfs were insane. The Quasar was OP and the Eruptor too. I guess that’s just my opinion though. Yeah the solo thing makes zero sense. It was fine where it was.
@@Thatbeardedguy86 I'm with you on those weapons for sure. They were the absolute answer to everything. I understand where they are heading. The idea of horizontal meta rather than vertical where there is one answer. I just hope they can keep that up. I hate losing a marksman rifle, because now it's just an inferior assault rifle. It needed fixing, but now it's a gun no one would choose to use. Hard agree!
I swear as an solo player, this update kinda pissed me off. Look, as much I want to play team but an average guy like me who have work to do so I can’t just meet with the boys and play instantly.
While I can understand the Devs desire for a game that's "tough" and "solo discouraged" I think they're swinging way too hard to push that via balance changes rather than allowing a variety of interesting gameplay choices.
They aren't understanding why the game went viral in the first place. Now they are hard at work removing the fun flow state factor that has made it great. We don't need it perfectly balanced - it needs to be satisfying to play.
@@mindsight9732 How are the patrols optional when they spawn and instantly walk towards your location? if you a walking between objectives you can avoid them sure, but if you are in the middle of an objective they will all converge on you. Killed all those bugs form that bug breach? here is another 4 patrols where almost every bug can call in another 1-3 bug breaches.
Adjudicator is top tier for bots now. It was already super good against them before. I think people forget that bugs and bots need different load outs. Bots essentially require medium armor pen.
The crazy number of patrol increase is at all levels... I was constantly swarmed playing a game on level 2 today waiting for a friend just doing some medal hunting, and 475 kills later and barely being able to get out through extraction after swarm after swarm of patrol came rolling in was just ridiculous. 475 kills at level 2??? Just because I was by myself?? What are they getting with 4 man teams, like, 100 between all 4 players?
Classic dev not understanding what's enticing about their game. It's not th ebugs, it's not the weapons... it's the worlds. And difficulty 1 is our opporunity to explore these worlds, as well as test gear, weapons, tactics, and do every and anything in the world of HD that you dont have time to do on a higher diff misison. Don't ruin what I call "Explorer Mode" . It's one of the best parts of the game. Making solos have to face more pats is just stupid and douchebaggery. They dont undestand bc they are too stupid.
I stopped playing partly into my second mission today. I quit. I uninstalled after trying to play solo and just……. No. I don’t know wtf they thought they were fixing. I don’t know wtf they were talking about when they said solo players were seeing 1/6th the enemy patrols. That has never been true. I would see them CONSTANTLY in solo missions, and with virtually no respawn timer. In groups it felt exactly the same amount. Now the enemy numbers are wildly inflated to punish me for being solo, lmfao. A ton of changes made me ask “…why?” but this one pisses me off. They made solo so infuriating for no reason. It was already hard. Spawns, if anything, needed to be reduced since stuff like difficulty 3 bot extractions threw sooooooo fucking many things at you, it was worse than doing a 7. Now there’s even more shit? Fuck this. I struggle a lot, dealing with other people, and sometimes need to just be alone. This is not a 1/6th to a 1/4th adjustment. It’s doing waaaaay more than that. The groups I did pre patch in the 5-7 range were never this crazy.
The explosions sucking you in were really frustrating. You were unexpectedly much closer to the thing you’re attacking now it just screwed your flow up occasionally.
Arrowhead Balancing Plan: 1. Find out what's most popular. 2. Nerf the hell out of it. 3. Repeat until players are trying to fight with the equivalent of pop guns. 4. ??? 5. LIVE SERVICE GAME!
Senseless Rant. Majority of the patches made the game easier. Legit the only nerf you gonna feel is the Quasar cannon nerf and that makes sense, since it put the Expendable out of Business entirely
You know, I wasted so much time and effort on the division one and two to develop the perfect loadout for each situation, only for the devs to Nerf it into the ground, similar to this bullshit. -and you can’t even save loadouts in HD2. It won’t even save my HUD settings, gotta make my weapons dynamic every time I logon. I’m not wasting my time anymore. Free Preview of what’s coming: -a new premium warbond with the new meta weapon. You’ll grind to get it, only for it to be nerfed.
WTF, the custom keyboard layout loading bug has STILL not been fixed!! As a left-handed player, I need to reassign my keys after every game launch. The bug is so trivial (number pad flag for keys not being respected), I probably could did it myself in half an hour :-/
This patch is unfortunately a good lesson to Arrowhead about how it is important to avoid saying you nerfed things as much as possible, as this pisses players off even if it 'objectively' looks good on paper and the stats and numbers support it. Psychology is really important when it comes to patch notes and if you make it sound like you're getting rid of the good parts of the game it looks bad and people will be angry. Its better to just buff enemies, or buff weaker weapons, than nerf weapons to make them more equal/in line with each other. That said I still think people are overreacting a lot and haven't given the patch enough play timer to figure out if it really ruined the game and made it completely unfun, or if the balance pass was actually fair.
crossbow is trash now, it sucks and is pointless. if you want the same function but better in every single solitary way, it's plasma punisher. Crossbow should be removed from the game. It's stupid level of tech and makes no sense, no crossbow can actually load that fast. a better option would have been to make it bigger blast (like, orbital pres shot big almost) but be very slow to load. Anything else, it's just a worse grenade launcher. Really poor direction.
I'm pretty new and play solo quite a bit to try to build basic skills. I don't want to dive with a team and be that weak link that everyone gets tired of respawning. The number of patrols is simply absurd when playing solo now. I'm really unclear why they've inversely increased the difficulty. I'm all for balanced game play but this has made me not want to play. Is this some strategy to reduce the number of overall players? Servers too busy? No desire to support the introverts of the world? Feels counterproductive.
It wouldn't be a big deal when they increase patrol IF Patrol should act like a patrol (perfect example is in Warhammer Vermintide). The patrol in this game most of the time walk toward you.
Regardless of player count, enemy numbers should stay consistent. Modifying numbers to discourage a play style breaks the immersion. And for a company so dedicated to roleplaying their game, I’m surprised they would go in this direction.
You talk about people who can't even finish a 5 difficulty ... they don't play their own game, and make changes just from stats... if people use a weapon to much, in 1-2 weeks , the gun will be nerfed, it's a never ending circle .
they already modify numbers to lower enemies, and you weren't mad then. They add 1-3 extra optional patrols and you lose your mind. 1/6th 4 players patrols for 1 player to 1/4 as intended. Patrols you can ignore. Solo play is soooo much harder now.
@@mindsight9732yup I rage quites for the first time on a game today. night and day difference from last time I played two days ago. I was so confused why I kept loosing and getting bodied had to look up online if I was the only one and low and behold it looks like this game is starting to put nails in the coffin
Going to God of war... Kill some bad guys there. These devs are just going the wrong way. How are 90% of the weapons unusable. Sigh, so hopefully when the game came out
Majority of guns tweaked or buffed. Quaser in pocket longer? no one cares. Extra ammo you didn't need on errupter who cares. Markship rifle buffs and fixes accross board. Base gun boosted. main nerf looks like recoil increased on the redeemer. They broke no weapon this time, and buffed many.
5 sec. more for quasar is too much. I carried it on every mission but now. how am I deal with 3 chargers and 2 bile titans at once if all my stratagems cooling down? And 6 magazines and nerfed explosion for Eruptor is bad joke. at least they can make it reloading shots little bit faster and 6 round mag. My two favorite weapons are weak in big fights. Oh i forgot rover damage nerf...30%??? Who's idea it was? My most used bag. This patch was bad move I am going back to Cyberpunk for while
All that whining about coop game being hard at "suicide... impossible... helldive" difficulties for solo player. People whats wrong with you? How do you see a proper IMPOSSIBLE difficulty?
Just in time for Manor Lords. Different game, different genre... BUT, you gotta go where youre welcome... Or at least not effed with when youre minding your own biz. Thank heavens for PC gaming. Uninstall and replace
anything on this planet that GETS FAMOUS faster will drop even FASTER which means this game is about to die as they hired devs from EA and UBISOFT to ruin a good game !!! Lucky are the ones who played it via family share and not purchased this BS game
I personally disagree with a lot of this patch, what are you thoughts? 😮
I agree with most of it. I don't think the Eruptor needed to get hit as hard as it did, and the crossbow even less. Most other stuff I'm on board with. The Quasar needed to be brought in line with the other anti tanks, and fixing the resupply buff was a buff to the recoilless indirectly so that helps on that end of the three anti tanks.
The laser Rover trivialized bug swarm a bit too much, it needed to be brought down a bit. I'm fine with that.
The buffs and fixes that exist are welcome. I think overall players got a bit stronger as a whole - particular load outs nonwithstanding.
A lot of the stuff that got ammo decreases got resupply increases so their economy is about the same or better. I don't care about the laser recharge ammo decreases - they have enough reserves still considering their nature.
Solo players maybe should expect to reduce difficulty a notch - which is totally okay. Solo helldive should be considered the ultimate challenge in a challenging game anyway... not something most should do or want to do all the time.
I'm a bit worried about the striders, those things hit like trucks and I counted on my grenade pistol a lot to have an answer to them off a fresh drop in.
Solo helldiver was legit too easy, stealth play pretty much prevented bot drops and bug breaches. The added patrols just made it more required to play more stealthily.
It's still a possible clear by crawling around and playing like solid snake.
P.S: you can cause explosions to distract patrols.
So this was clarified by a Dev on the discord. The multiplier for patrols are supposed to be 1/4. But going into solo it was currently set at 1/6 and it was just readjusted to 1/4. The rest of the patch I'm okay with.
The -15% Fire Damage unfortunately seems to effect (among other things) the Breaker Incendiary.
Before this strange nerf, you could shoot the smallest bug (the Scavenger) up close with a burst of burning pellets and it would start to die in a couple of seconds.
After the nerf it will now take around 3 full shots up close of burning pellets to kill it, effectively making the Breaker Incendiary a much less effective crowd control weapon, to the point of it feeling useless again on higher levels.
I'm sad, since this was such a tricky but fun weapon.
Most of its fine honestly. Last time ppl overreacted then got great stuff afterwards. I'm betting the same thing happens again. 😅
as a big solo player because I'm sick of constantly getting kicked for no reason I'm honestly a lot less interested in the game now they've screwed up solo play and making bullets bounce back at you will just piss me off after a while because when I've got a load of bots on me I'm not focusing on what parts I'm shooting I'm just shooting the hell out of them just to survive😕
Whats the problem with playing at lower difficulty?
@@IgorZhuravlev Less rewards?
@@ericlinville564 I'm not even 50th level and I don't have what to spend em for.
@@IgorZhuravlev
Have you literally not seen the 600 medals you need to unlock most basic equipment, or did being carried by your friends through the harder difficulties make you blind?
@@Brown95P So like participate in ~8 global orders accomplishing personal in parallel? OMG TOTALLY DEVASTATING... The whole 3 weeks of playing!
Actual basic equipment enough for everything is Punisher (for Bots), Breaker (for bugs), Quasar and Autocannon. The biggest gemechanger is stun grenade, but it is locked by supercredits, not medals. The same with JAR-5 (which in combo with laser Dog makes bugs easier).
The only useful item hidden under a lot of medals is Scorcher.
I'm an average solo player and really enjoy this game. The lastest patch punishes solo play with the increase to enemy patrols. I play at lower difficulty and now I am struggling in games that should be straight forward. Why are the devs targeting sections of their player community (solo)? The current patch/version of the game is not enjoyable anymore.
Never mind, I just realised the spawns of enemies are reduced to 1/4 when you play alone. It was 1/6 before. Its litterly a skill issue and I thought they made it harder for solo Player, while they are making it easier
@@DemonsCyclesIBZ You missread my comment. I have never, not once, said it got easier with the patch.
Feels Division’y
Whats the problem to just play at lower difficulty when solo? It doesn't feel like a punishment. As for me I would be happy if EVERYTHING would be determined just by difficulty, with zero dependance on how many players are in game.
@@IgorZhuravlev If you wanted to play solo lets say at difficutly 7, now you need to lower difficulty and now you can't get super samples.
I don't mind them making changes to weapons, because the community always finds a way to overcome it. But swarming you with enemy's in lower levels solo is disheartening. I group up with my grandkids on the weekend for some higher level fun, but during the week I solo for medals and samples. Now they've made it frustrating to do so. Can't even bring up a stratagem while being swarmed!!!
Have you tried since the change?
Git gut
@@Thatbeardedguy86 What he is describing is post change. He's literally describing it.
Its okay. You cant fix stupid.@@ericlinville564
This is not actually what happens. The amount of enemies spawned for solo & teams of >4 players was supposed to be based on linear progression. But it was bugged, so they fixed it. Solo players were originally getting 1/6th of the enemies that a full team would get. They patched it to be closer to 1/4th, as was intended.
The 20% 'nerf' on the Hulk flamethrower makes me laugh. 'What's 20% of infinity, son?'
Bro just divide by 0. Simple math. Duh. /s
Keep crying
Solo was a pain already. Constantly getting hit from behind.
I prefer solo diving and already don’t have enough time to complete all the objectives and now it’s pointless even playing the game.
Agree
@@DemonsCyclesIBZI wanted to play alone but now I can’t. Sucks.
Decrease difficulty and be fine
I’m a solo diver too, it’s really disappointing.
@@IgorZhuravlev wrong answer. who wants to collect 1000000000 regular samples? Not me.
Theyre intent on making the ultimate nerf; their playerbase
Honestly just feels like they don’t want us to have fun and use certain weapons
I had a teammate that let me pick up and use their eruptor yesterday and it was super fun so I bought the DD warbond and didn’t even unlock it yet and woke up to it being nerfed and my plasma punisher hurts too that was my main weapon
It honestly feels like they don’t play their game
Even if they do play it, they don’t have to grind like we do to unlock premium war bonds, to get the weapon everybody brags about, only to have it Nerf to shit.
Can I just say I appreciate the effort you went into making this video and adding footage of all the weapons so people know the weapons you are talking about. You didn't just do a video of you talking over the Patch Notes. Very Democratic of you.
Even before the changes to them I liked the regular guard dog for bots. It popped their heads pretty consistently on the smaller guys which meant less flairs and bot drops.
Also, everyone that I've seen comment on the patrol changes never includes the bit before what's shown here in the video. They intended for a solo player to only have 1/4 of the patrols compared to the normal amount for 4 players, but they fucked it up and actually had it set to 1/6 instead. This patch fixed that so now its 1/4 as was intended instead of 1/6, so that's the only increase you'll be seeing.
That part of context is very important.
But getting heated and flaming the devs is so mich more fun and gets so many more clicks
These posts are correct 👌 👆
Dosent really matter if it was glitched and they fixed it, its still making an insanely hard thing harder
@@BetarayBillLover
Then play on a lower difficulty. No one's forcing you to play something you dont enjoy.
@@skal-tel8077 oh for Christ sakes if somebody uses the difficulty as an excuse one more time I might blow my head off, that’s exactly what everyone was saying after that first update till a few days went by and everyone realized the spawn rates of shit was insane
Welp, I'm out... making it impossible to play for solo means I've just been patched out. And it really is impossible; the patrols just don't ever stop coming, and that's on Challenging. It's not set to 25%; I was playing this afternoon and it was literally one after another after another, sometimes showing up two at a time from cleared spawns.
1-3 extra patrols that are optional to stary with aren't that difficult.
Your stuck because your reckless gun and explosive use keeps attracting evetyone and your not moving to next object as you kill.
Unless there are hives, those fliers, detection towers and gunships are detection pain.
@@mindsight9732 None of that is true. Controlled shots, no explosives, out away from any detection points. They simply broke it with this patch.
Why did the buff the hulk??? It needed a nerf over anything... The bots need a nerf across the board generally.
Eh, the only i'd change about bots is the hulk flamethrower range, instant kill, Jetpack burning/explosion damage, and how quickly none command troopers(One pistol, one blade) send up flares.
Have a extra 2 seconds to track down all the other troopers before flare is all i'd suggest.
@@mindsight9732 I'd also say slower fire rate for all units. Not necessarily by much, and probably differs from unit to unit because some are more guilty than others.
They pretty much nerfed all the latest warbond weapons. I don’t understand why they would bring weapons in with “explosive” damage then decide to nerf all the AoE damage. Making the new weapons arguably worse than non explosive weapons.
The only positives I see from the patch notes are the dmr damage increase, the adjudicator is better than the penetrator now, and the senator has a speed loader on full 6 reload. 😑
The way I see it, the devs are going to balance the players out of the game real soon.
I subscribed because you're the only content creator I could find who couples patch notes discussion with footage that is actually relevant to the discussion. Thanks for doing it right.
Suggestion: I'd like to have seen the adjudicator up against bots- since it is supposedly medium armor pen.
I just started playing this game about a week ago, and I’m a solo player 90% of the time. It’s has been so much fun so far. But this patch hit hard! I just tried a hard mission and the bug numbers were just too much!
Who ever said the Sickle total mag nerf wasnt really a nerf because "muh infinite ammo" definitely never played higher than Diff5 and never played solo, especially in Blitz mission where the total enemy being group up into a small map + short mission timer
Basically being carried by actual competent players that actually reload their weapon
Time to take Time Off if it gets too unplayable
The burning damage from all sources, across the board, is reduced by 15%. This means burning damage you take, burning damage you give out, burning damage from enemies, burning damage from you, burning damage enemies take. All of it.
The guard dog needs a better ammo supply really not the damage
This patch mainly nerf almost every weapon in the game and tremendous increase enemies on solo mission. You will encouter large enemy group patrols very often. Why turture solo player? Weapons like Testla Tower, smoke bomb and Barrier orbital still useless as before. Still, bug fixes are appreciate.
Nerf nerf nerf solo difficulty raised but why? I am tired its hard enough soloing dif. 7+ for me. Now its getting more impossible! Not everyone is a youtuber and has the time to sweat for a higher difficulty!
I use to play tier 6 and 7 normal but these recent patches has made them crazy hard. We wasted 15 to 20 reinforments just to take out 2 gunship towers. I can't even figure out what primary to use anymore now that they ruined the eruptor
Gutted to see the Guard Dog Rover nerf, but also not surprised. Running away from a few bugs, it would uninterrupted kill spewers, hunters, the lot. Made some stuff too easy tbh.
People make a mountain out of molehill, there was no significant nerf, quasar still powerful you just have to wait extra 5 seconds for recharge now, as long as you not killing something like very large enemies you still down everything with one shot, I never tried the Blitzer I tried it now thanks to the buff and I love it, atleast this way I can try other weapons and different playstyles, instead of playing 100 missions with the same loadout.
but I want 1000 missions with the same loadout.
I love helldivers 2 as a game concept, but I can't wrap my head around their constant decisions to nerf the player over and over. We had unneeded nerfs to ammo and fire rate for weapons the community enjoyed using and blatantly, pointlessly low damage increases to weapons no one uses. While they were at it they buffed enemies and raised spawns to fuck over solo players while their match making still barely works. The number of times I have tossed a SOS beacon during a 40 minute mission and had NO ONE join by the time I finished it is not small.
It's like they are a crotchety old dude sitting on their porch hearing kids having the audacity to be having fun somewhere near by. They worry far more about nerfing the player than they do about fixing glaring issues. DOT damage is still broken for everyone but the host... but by all means nerf guard dogs...
Sad about Solo play. Also what are you settings ? I can see so much more on your videos then when I play ? Thanks
Check if your depth of field is on and if so turn it off. Turn up sharpness a bit. Also turn Volumetric Fog to low. Should help some.
1-3 extra patrols you can just avoid makes you sad?
@@mindsight9732bro are u one of the fuvking developers….u keep defending this BS update when it’s literally unplayable. it’s a night and day difference from how it was even a day ago. this game is gunna start declining immediately unless they fix this trash patch
The Quasar nerf was expected.
The laser cannon nerf was unnecessary and stupid.
This was the reason why I didn't even bother with the Devastator, they always end up nerfing the good ones.
Most changes here are either unnecessary, pointless or just poorly thought out.
“Weapon good” let’s nerf it. Every time. And they can’t even see the irony of BUFFING the railgun.
Just done with this game. This game has more nerfs than new content. Done with the rollercoaster week to week of nerfs followed by nerfs. It doesn't matter what gun you migrate to it will just be nerfed until its unfun. I'll check back into the game after a few years once its calmed down and stabilized itself or the balance guy is fired.
I think the laser cannon is actually stronger against weak/normal enemies and the same against heavies, since they buffed overall and nerfed heavy damage, so might be unchanged for them? Making it more versatile if so.
Same with rover change. It uses scythe so might have nerfed it to keep it in like with what it was before cause of scythe buff.
I think they're just bad at clarifying these things in notes.
I like to drop an extra quasar cannon when possible so I can blast those shrieker nests quickly from across the map.
All these people whining, I also drop solo, on Helldive. I love the increase patrols, it requires you to keep a low profile and pick your battles, which you should already be doing anyway. The swarms are so fun to blast away.
"It requires to keep a low profile" My brother in christ, there are patrols that knows where you are 24/7. This patrol and spawn rates changes are ass. People are criticising this trend of updates, not whining.
I like a lot of this patch but at the same time it almost feels like they are buffing/nerfing guns based on *popularity* and not necessarily viability, which is a shame. Also the patrol change is absolutely mind boggling and I can't see any reason for them to add that to the game at all.
Devs clarified that what happened was they originally screwed up and had the solo difficulty set to 1/6th compared to a 4 man squad (for the patrol changes), it should have been 1/4th the difficulty of the 4 man squad. This patch corrects that and brings it back up to 1/4th. The patch notes unfortunately didn't clarify that and so it sounds like a really stupid change, but it makes sense with the context. That said, I don't think a lot of people have really had time to try out the solo properly (its been less than 24 hours) to see if it really is too difficult now, I felt like solo missions were too easy before, so this change makes sense to me.
This is becoming just tiring at this point, I'm just done with the game, after a horrible helldive mission yesterday at the end of my night I was not so eager to play anymore, and now comes this patch and just finishes for me.
I'm going to just drop a negative review, not recommending the game and move on, was having fun with ER yesterday, time to make another character for the DLC, also go back to Deep rock to get me some materials before the new season.
Also play Manor Lords and finally start my octopath traveler playthrough.
buff most of the weapon, add 1-3 extra optional patrols, you quit.
cute.
People who say quasar was to powerful i mean it was but not that powerful it had it drawback we only used quazar mostly for the chargers
Devs area going out their way to ruin the game. Some people like solo diving. Lets nerf weapons in a PVE game, where PVP is discouraged. But we're nerfing stuff even though there aren't any new enemys or change to balance to call for it.
They buffed most weapons though, and the quaser recharging in your pocket is nothing compared to taking a knee with recoiless or the expendable strategem.
Maybe a live service PvE isnt viable. This patch stinks. They just create and push players to a new meta each patch. The game isnt evolving. It's quickly becoming stagnant.
Not only do we have less lives to deal with bugs or bots, now there is more bugs and bots. Can't wait for them to nerf Eagle Cluster. Because that's literally the only stratagem that you have to bring because you can't clear anything without it. Bugs annoying now because everything just slows you down or instant kills you. Bots are just.... Vietnam flashbacks but also being in World War 2 flashbacks, while you are still trying to hunker down in your World War 1 trench.
I'm only level 5 so that's a bummer about solo play. I hate being the weak link on a team, so I guess I just have to improve....... for democracy 🎉🎉🎉
Devs clarified that what happened was they originally screwed up and had the solo difficulty set to 1/6th compared to a 4 man squad, it should have been 1/4th the difficulty of the 4 man squad. This patch corrects that and brings it back up to 1/4th. The patch notes unfortunately didn't clarify that and so it sounds like a really stupid change, but it makes sense with the context. That said, I don't think a lot of people have really had time to try out the solo properly (its been less than 24 hours) to see if it really is too difficult now, I felt like solo missions were too easy before, so this change makes sense to me.
Yeah I really enjoy this game and what is in about and getting into the role play side of it. That said, them trying to force people to play together now by enforcing heavy penalties is not appropriate. Very disappointing to see.
Where is your Sekiro playthrough?!
They turned the game from a shooter into a "runaway simulator"
Been kicked by hosts for no reason? There's always solo diving...oh wait.
Well, they did it, they pushed me away from a game a loved. I fell in love with the eruptor and now it’s useless to me. Even with 12 mags I would run out of ammo in every other game, depending on how crazy it gets and now it also has reduced AOE. I have never played a game so religiously before and now I’m done.
I felt the erupter was useless and not that great before the nerf lmfao
@@clutchitup8565 I lot of my friends say the same but I loved it. It was fun to me and I would run out of ammo with it almost every game because things would get so intense. Despite that, I would often get the highest accuracy and kill count in the game because my role was to eliminate the little guys. Now, it’s useless to what I liked to do.
How, i use maybe 3 mags a game, 6 vs bugs, unless it's defend the nukes.
Erupter is great for avoiding fights, and one shots so many things. Breaks bot legs, snipes heads, snipe bug mouths. Avoid chargers/titans/none strider miniguns/hulks.
@@mindsight9732 Playing higher difficulties, I guess. It doesn’t always happen, but I usually play with one friend and 2 randoms. When things get chaotic and you have wave after wave of enemies and someone calls in the resupply half way across the map, you run out of ammo quick. It’s 5 rounds per mag. Taking out medium size bases or nests usually leaves with almost no ammo. I use the rifle to take out everything including fabricators and bug holes.
One of the major issues with this game right from the beginning was 'Out of ammo!' and 'Last Reload!' during missions. It's not like you have anything else to fight with once all the ammo is gone. So what in the unholy hell were they thinking when they did this, reducing ammo on so many weapons? If anything, they should be buffing clip sizes and amount, not nerfing it.
Them buffing the bots even more is... a lot of words come to mind, and none of them good. Let's just say it's not making me want to play the game more. I have a friend who is trying to teach me how to play up to Helldive difficulty and I've been doing decently. This is like setting me back several weeks of training.
And them making it harder for content creators to make solo game content is literally self destructive. Every video made is free publicity; why on earth would they make it harder to make, or more of a struggle? 'But it's a team based game!' ...take a look at Steam forums and read about skilled players getting kicked at extraction so they get nothing, or people just randomly trolling by kicking players for no reason and tell me that again. Everyone is in it for themselves, unless you have a real friend to play with online. When they can fix THAT, THEN make solo play less viable, not before.
resupply for the three players and ammo points of intrest for the loner are usually more then enough.
How is ammo a issue? even them they only touch a weapon with infinite ammo and a weapon with a low rate of fire and one shots any light or medium enemy, while it tickles heavy enemies. Well tjose and that crossbow that is struggling.
Overall it feels like they just made all the weapons worse and didn’t fix the ones that desperately needed it.
Bruw im not commenting here cuz i want to but holly sht game got harder im used to experiemce shtshow like this at difficulty 7 and above, i had a random match on 5th difficulty against bugs and holy moly it made me feel level 10 and im level 79 and no skill issue here since we played 2 players spawn rate was absurd... overall not a fun of this update
Basicaly if ur not running full squad get ready to have some fun cuz spawn rate of breaches and patrols and the amout of enemys in those waves is just fked up.
It's a game, it's supposed to be fun. There's nothing fun about a nerf. What really makes no sense is the people who trash people who use "meta". I just don't get it why do you care what other people are using, especially if it helps the team. You don't like using "good" "meta" guns fine great you do you, but stop trashing people for enjoying the game then being upset when what they enjoyed about it was nerfed. Ffs it's pve you trolls.
Playing solo is an exploit. Hope this fixes it.
Stupid company decision. I am out now. I had to play solo, but now it is no fun anymore. Why are they so stupid in a PVE game?
We BUY the gun and spend TIME getting it, then they nerf it? This doesnt sound very ethical/legal tbh
lmao
lol lib pen getting 0 love
This patch gave me depression
Arrowhead is upset bc the game is unfair! So everything gets a nerf! lol. Arrowhead thought this was a PvP game and called for more nerfs lol. Arrowhead employees are some of the dumbest people in the the gaming industry and accidentally made a good game. But now they can’t get out of their own way, and keep for destroying what makes the game fun to play. Arrowhead get your house in order!
So for those of you complaining about the changes to the spawn rates all they did was tweak it slightly, it's gone from seeing 1/6 the amount of enemies solo that'd you see in a team of 4 to now 1/4 the amount of enemies.
So just a teensie weensie increase of 50%, got it!
@GJRACADEMY you actually have to play the game on solo now, crazy right?
@@GJRACADEMY well it's 50% on paper, when you start to play the game, you realize it's probably way higher than that+))
troll patch by troll make a wish foundation game coders... timmah over there making the game unbearable ...
another fool fooled by lazy coding that doesnt solve the problem. solving the problem would have been disabling vaulting on supply drops. but they were too lazy. so instead they are just like "well you can turn off the entire function globally". what a lazy, crappy solution.
No one will keep this off, bc it's too tough to vault over stuff like rocks now which you need to do all the time in HD. lazy, stupid development.
the maker of this video is clearly a soft-minded sycophant who couldnt read into this. What a waste
This patch has made me lose all interest in the game. I literally uninstalled after a few matches. Crossbow is fucking hot trash now. Quasar? Hot fucking trash. They buffed the scythe but guess what. Its still hot fucking trash!!! The list goes on and on wtf.
crossbow was trash, quaser litterally just takes longer to multishot heavies(still don't need to take a knee to recharge it).
Your not supposed to run the battery out on the sickle, so they made it more punishing to do so. Not like resupply doesn't exist and you can't find 6 boxes of ammo in ditches.
and 1-3 extra parols you don't have to fight are breaking your game.
geeze the whiney with this guy.
@mindsight9732 yes because these devs have delevoped a habit of just nerfing wherever people are using calling it balacing instead of actually fixing the game or fixing the trash that no one uses. Friends list is still broken. Fire damge How many times are they going to fix it? On top of the lets talk about the super expensive 25 percent fire dmg increase upgrade. Then 2 weeks later a 15 percent fire dmg nerf. The devs are chasing thier tails and literally no one has said anything positive about this patch.
Yay another trash "balancing" patch. Let's nerf everything good and buff garbage
I despite the british with my entire being.
It's ok, we despise you.
I bet you most players complaining haven't even played the patch yet.. Stop crying and test it out and then provide feedback after a few days. The " im not playing this game again " mentality due to updates is getting really old.
This patch is shite
Judging from the comments - Absolutely none of you actually solo and if you do, you havent tried after the patch. It’s fine.
Playing on trivial doesn't count zoomer
One of my main issues is I keep getting checkered from all sides. I'll be so close to dealing with a squad of heavy bullshit. Only to have another crawl right up my ass and spawn red dots everywhere. This was on level five. I assume on 7 and higher the game just fucking stabs you through the screen
People be way too ready to judge after the patch has been out for less than 24 hours, haven't given themselves time to accurately review the patch and they're just going off of the patch notes instead of how the game actually feels. Not saying that the patch doesn't have bad things in it, but like...people be whining about how this patch makes the game a bait and switch ripoff and they want a refund, and Arrowhead has betrayed them...is a little ridiculous.
The Meta. I’m a vet from the previous game. If your channel cites the Meta; I think you’re here for the short term. Move onto the next one. I suggest being an electrician.
Another Nerf patch for no clear reason other than they can. I have 0 faith in this devs team. They couldn't balance a checkbook book and nerfed the only good weapon out of the last warbond.
How was the Eruptor nerfed? Meaningless magazine number change and some undefined explosion range change. Can you see a difference in game for the explosion? How often did you use more then six mags before getting more?
@@icemanespoo2977all the time
@@icemanespoo2977 I love using the Eruptor till this patch. I can totally see a difference in game for the explosions of it. I can shoot at one bug and take out about 4 to 6 of them. Now? I can shoot one bug, take about 2 to 4 out and before I get the next shot ready to use, I'm being over swarmed with them. It's an EXPLOSIVE weapon and they literally took the boom out of it. I don't even care about the clip change, though, I was already going thru the clips like crazy before the patch. It makes absolutely no sense. If you want us to use more of the other weapons, better the other weapons... Don't make them all suck.
They said it 2 weeks ago, they will do a massive update... so how you make a massive update if you didn;t do shit for 2 weeks? change numbers, put it on a list, and make it long.... you got a massive update that fixes nothing, and f up everything=))
I'm getting kind of tired of trying a weapon out enjoying the hell out of it and then the response from the devs is to nerf it into oblivion? Are they trying to get people to stop playing?
My exact thoughts I’m just done really
Yes…. Yes they are.
Perhaps they intend to make every weapon equally viable rather than having a meta?
@quaternarytetrad4039 so then make worse weapons better. Not bring down other guns. That logic doesn't make sense in a PVE game.
@@johnnybgoode8104 Or perhaps the "better" weapons are too good and make gameplay trivial rather than challenging. There is a reason the term "balance" is used when adjusting weapons stats
I agree with every change except that they make solo play harder. I get that you dont want to market for everyone, but cmon. My internet isnt stable enough to play with friends : (
The difficulty was supposed to be 1/4 of what it is with 4 players, however they screwed up and made it 1/6 the difficulty as with 4 players, so this increases the difficulty to the intended 1/4. They didn't explain this in the patch notes though so everyone is pissed at them lol.
@@futuza Yea its kinda how humans work. They assume they managed higher diff cause they are oh so good players while they realy just arent. Thats the only reason people complain about reasonable nerfs. ,,Oh I dont have so much success with this particular weapon anymore, the game must be broken"
Humans will be humans. Biased and unaware
Solo player matches changes are unnecessary, it's bad against who likes playing solo, not everyone playing solo is farming supercredits.
1-3 extra optional patrols?
there are practically 0 on lv1 where people farm credits.
@@mindsight9732 it's not that simple, i've playing on dif6 solo and the increased amount of patrols is insane, not to mention the short time period they reach you, patrols also seeks you even without seeing you.
I just ran a level 2 to try out the revolver and liberator changes (the revolver feels incredible now) and I killed 251 enemies in 18 minutes. The "increased patrols" spawn about 80m from you already walking in your direction. I'm basically shelving thee game until a new warbond drops. I don't have any reason to play now.
I will never understand people trying to play a game like this solo, but good luck in your search for a proper single player game. This isn't that, and I am glad they aren't catering to it.
@@briannewman532 I will never understand why other people seem to care so much how people that aren't them play games.
@@25xxfrostxx and I will never understand why someone wants to play a game completely counter to the way it was designed, when there are games SPECIFICALLY made for people like them. I don’t care how you play it, but I also don’t care that it got nerfed. You shouldn’t be able to farm credits and samples without actually interfacing with the game as it’s designed. And THAT is why they made it harder to solo.
@@briannewman532
Have you maybe considered the fact that randoms can be treasonous griefers and that someone may not have friends to play this game with? Or, y'know, that you need like *_SIX HUNDRED MEDALS_* just to get most basic equipment?
Super credits literally do not matter *_at all_* unless the devs release a new warbond or there's actually something meaningful in the superstore for once; you need to stop thinking farmers do it to cheat the devs out of potential money.
@@Brown95P cry more dude, it’s not a single player game. What you’re describing is extremely rare. I have over 230 hours in the game and have encountered griefers maybe twice? There’s no way to prevent it, but you’re describing it like it’s an epidemic that’s forced you to play solo, and that’s a fucking lie. Furthermore, if you want to play solo, fine, but don’t whine about them making it harder to play the game contrary to how they envisioned it. The ENTIRE game is built on cooperative team play. Honestly, they should just eliminate the ability to drop in solo at all, and then you could all go play something else instead of shitting your pants in the comment section of RUclips.
To get people to group up. Got tired of being shot or kicked and getting nothing as the boat landed so I play solo. I will quit first.
God forbid they tune their squad-based multiplayer game for multiple players. Playing solo was basically an exploit. Go fuck around in some other game. No one is going to miss you.
People that try to defend the anti-solo mindset are literally just being carried by their friends; they do not understand how common griefers are in randoms or the ridiculous amount of medals you need just to unlock most basic equipment when the lower difficulties provide virtually none.
@@Brown95P dude I play EXCLUSIVELY with randoms. I’m 50 years old, I don’t have any friends that play video games. What you’re talking about rarely ever happens.
@@briannewman532
Yeah, ok dude, well l'm 68 years old and l don't have the time or patience anymore to roll my luck for respectable teammates in-between all the game-breaking glitches just so l can actually earn the 600 or so medals l need to unlock most of the basic equipment.
@@briannewman532 I’m 58 and I have ptsd and severe social anxiety. What’s your point?
I feel like they sacrificed lower level solo players because they were a bit embarrassed by the guys doing solo Helldiver difficulty missions easily. A bad move in my opinion.
just play in a lower difficulty if your skill is not good enough, I still see a bunch of people doing helldives solo on youtube, get good?
Litterally 0 effect on the guys you mentioned doing lv9 solo, maybe a extra minute of pathing around patrols on a 40 minute map.
Nothings really changed for solo play, more optional patrols walking around.
@@DemonsCyclesIBZhow many times has this happened to you might I ask? Also, have you tried anything else like looking on discord for people to play with instead of immediately going solo? There are other options to having friends who play the game and randoms.
@@mindsight9732 You've replied on nearly every single comment criticizing the spawn increases saying the same thing every single time.
Consult your doctor if grass touching is right for you.
@@mindsight9732 I usually run with a friend of mine. The swarms at extraction are much larger now. They overrun turrets almost instantly. I've taken to calling down my mech just for extracting, since they last much longer than a turret ( both ammo and health). I know it isn't a problem for the difficulty 9 guys, but a new solo player would most likely be really turned off by this. They're going after the wrong people if they wanted to prevent solo Helldives. I think it would be no problem with a 3 man group, but we're having trouble convincing others on our circle to pick up the game. If they are so overwhelmed at the start, they are not likely to want to keep playing.
I can confirm that the laser cannon is the same against heavy enemies as it was before, The reduction is just to compensate for the base damage being increased.
What counts as heavy enemies? The factory striders/bile titans?
What the devs meant (according to Discord) is that they deal less damage against bellies of insects (and the like), more damage against heads and critical spots
So what does this change exactly?
@@korak2183 you kill small things faster! 😁
Guess I’m going back to GTA online this week. This just pissed me off.
I don't understand the rationale to shaft solo players.
how is 1-3 extra patrols shafting anyone, if you try to clear every patrol past lv5, your gonna in misdion till the tiner runs out.
Patrols are optional.
I'm happy with the speed-loader (though I still think an 8 shot chamber would've been more effective), and thank God the hulk flamethrower was nerfed.
That said, I would've traded most of this update for a stinger that works, less fire-tornados spawning at a given time, and more work on the match-making.
If you're going to push multiplayer, to the point that you're punishing solo play, matchmaking should function better, and be more user friendly.
I think patrol spawns should only vary based on difficulty, and mission type, not number of divers.
It just feels like in the beginning almost any load out was viable, and the more they tweak, the more specific weapons just shine.
And as new weapons are added, I fear they will struggle to find unique reasons to use them.
The adjudicator fix works, I suppose, but effectively they just removed a marksman rifle, I stead of fixing it.
What’s the issue with matchmaking? Mine works flawlessly.
I’m not caring about any of these nerfs or whatever to weapons most people are crying about. The only one I don’t get it why make it harder for solo players. Odd
@@Thatbeardedguy86 I get peoples frustrations over finding a weapon that suits their play style and having it change (sometimes pretty heavily).
Matchmaking still gets buggy, at least on PS5, so after you launch missions and play with a team, the next mission just won't prioritize people, and no one joins. Restart fixes it, but I often end up soloing because of it.
I don't understand adding more patrols based on number of players.
@@calvinator7119 ahh I’m on PC. Never had any issues so far.
I mean I get being upset if you love a weapon but I don’t feel any of these nerfs were insane. The Quasar was OP and the Eruptor too. I guess that’s just my opinion though.
Yeah the solo thing makes zero sense. It was fine where it was.
@@Thatbeardedguy86 I'm with you on those weapons for sure. They were the absolute answer to everything. I understand where they are heading. The idea of horizontal meta rather than vertical where there is one answer. I just hope they can keep that up. I hate losing a marksman rifle, because now it's just an inferior assault rifle. It needed fixing, but now it's a gun no one would choose to use.
Hard agree!
I swear as an solo player, this update kinda pissed me off.
Look, as much I want to play team but an average guy like me who have work to do so I can’t just meet with the boys and play instantly.
how so? it's 1-3 extra patrols on hard you don't have to engage with.!!
@@mindsight9732its definitely more than 4, and on every difficulty. hopped on a lvl2 to farm credits and it is very noticeable
While I can understand the Devs desire for a game that's "tough" and "solo discouraged" I think they're swinging way too hard to push that via balance changes rather than allowing a variety of interesting gameplay choices.
They aren't understanding why the game went viral in the first place. Now they are hard at work removing the fun flow state factor that has made it great. We don't need it perfectly balanced - it needs to be satisfying to play.
@@CeresOutpost you nailed it right on the head.
@@CeresOutposta game isnt fun if everyone uses the same 4 weapons. That is not a healthy game. Balancing was needed.
how are 1-3 extra optional patrols tough?
@@mindsight9732 How are the patrols optional when they spawn and instantly walk towards your location? if you a walking between objectives you can avoid them sure, but if you are in the middle of an objective they will all converge on you. Killed all those bugs form that bug breach? here is another 4 patrols where almost every bug can call in another 1-3 bug breaches.
Adjudicator is top tier for bots now. It was already super good against them before. I think people forget that bugs and bots need different load outs. Bots essentially require medium armor pen.
The crazy number of patrol increase is at all levels... I was constantly swarmed playing a game on level 2 today waiting for a friend just doing some medal hunting, and 475 kills later and barely being able to get out through extraction after swarm after swarm of patrol came rolling in was just ridiculous. 475 kills at level 2??? Just because I was by myself?? What are they getting with 4 man teams, like, 100 between all 4 players?
Classic dev not understanding what's enticing about their game. It's not th ebugs, it's not the weapons... it's the worlds. And difficulty 1 is our opporunity to explore these worlds, as well as test gear, weapons, tactics, and do every and anything in the world of HD that you dont have time to do on a higher diff misison.
Don't ruin what I call "Explorer Mode" . It's one of the best parts of the game. Making solos have to face more pats is just stupid and douchebaggery. They dont undestand bc they are too stupid.
Oh Noo. 4 extra bot troopers every 4 minutes on my empty lv1 map.
How will i ever kill the 6 bot troopers at the flag pole now?
I stopped playing partly into my second mission today. I quit. I uninstalled after trying to play solo and just……. No. I don’t know wtf they thought they were fixing. I don’t know wtf they were talking about when they said solo players were seeing 1/6th the enemy patrols. That has never been true. I would see them CONSTANTLY in solo missions, and with virtually no respawn timer. In groups it felt exactly the same amount. Now the enemy numbers are wildly inflated to punish me for being solo, lmfao.
A ton of changes made me ask “…why?” but this one pisses me off. They made solo so infuriating for no reason. It was already hard. Spawns, if anything, needed to be reduced since stuff like difficulty 3 bot extractions threw sooooooo fucking many things at you, it was worse than doing a 7. Now there’s even more shit? Fuck this.
I struggle a lot, dealing with other people, and sometimes need to just be alone. This is not a 1/6th to a 1/4th adjustment. It’s doing waaaaay more than that. The groups I did pre patch in the 5-7 range were never this crazy.
The explosions sucking you in were really frustrating. You were unexpectedly much closer to the thing you’re attacking now it just screwed your flow up occasionally.
Arrowhead Balancing Plan:
1. Find out what's most popular.
2. Nerf the hell out of it.
3. Repeat until players are trying to fight with the equivalent of pop guns.
4. ???
5. LIVE SERVICE GAME!
Senseless Rant. Majority of the patches made the game easier. Legit the only nerf you gonna feel is the Quasar cannon nerf and that makes sense, since it put the Expendable out of Business entirely
You know, I wasted so much time and effort on the division one and two to develop the perfect loadout for each situation, only for the devs to Nerf it into the ground, similar to this bullshit.
-and you can’t even save loadouts in HD2. It won’t even save my HUD settings, gotta make my weapons dynamic every time I logon.
I’m not wasting my time anymore.
Free Preview of what’s coming:
-a new premium warbond with the new meta weapon. You’ll grind to get it, only for it to be nerfed.
WTF, the custom keyboard layout loading bug has STILL not been fixed!!
As a left-handed player, I need to reassign my keys after every game launch.
The bug is so trivial (number pad flag for keys not being respected), I probably could did it myself in half an hour :-/
This patch is unfortunately a good lesson to Arrowhead about how it is important to avoid saying you nerfed things as much as possible, as this pisses players off even if it 'objectively' looks good on paper and the stats and numbers support it. Psychology is really important when it comes to patch notes and if you make it sound like you're getting rid of the good parts of the game it looks bad and people will be angry. Its better to just buff enemies, or buff weaker weapons, than nerf weapons to make them more equal/in line with each other. That said I still think people are overreacting a lot and haven't given the patch enough play timer to figure out if it really ruined the game and made it completely unfun, or if the balance pass was actually fair.
Remember guys, you are not allowed to talk bad about this game, just git gud
crossbow is trash now, it sucks and is pointless. if you want the same function but better in every single solitary way, it's plasma punisher. Crossbow should be removed from the game. It's stupid level of tech and makes no sense, no crossbow can actually load that fast. a better option would have been to make it bigger blast (like, orbital pres shot big almost) but be very slow to load. Anything else, it's just a worse grenade launcher. Really poor direction.
Nah, it's damage sucks bad, but all it needs is 0 info to the enemy about which direction the shot came from, and more impact damage.
I'm pretty new and play solo quite a bit to try to build basic skills. I don't want to dive with a team and be that weak link that everyone gets tired of respawning. The number of patrols is simply absurd when playing solo now. I'm really unclear why they've inversely increased the difficulty. I'm all for balanced game play but this has made me not want to play. Is this some strategy to reduce the number of overall players? Servers too busy? No desire to support the introverts of the world? Feels counterproductive.
Heres how I feel. There are no changees that make me want to go play. For me, thats what keeps these live services playable. I slog enough IRL.
It wouldn't be a big deal when they increase patrol IF Patrol should act like a patrol (perfect example is in Warhammer Vermintide). The patrol in this game most of the time walk toward you.
Regardless of player count, enemy numbers should stay consistent. Modifying numbers to discourage a play style breaks the immersion. And for a company so dedicated to roleplaying their game, I’m surprised they would go in this direction.
You talk about people who can't even finish a 5 difficulty ... they don't play their own game, and make changes just from stats... if people use a weapon to much, in 1-2 weeks , the gun will be nerfed, it's a never ending circle .
they already modify numbers to lower enemies, and you weren't mad then. They add 1-3 extra optional patrols and you lose your mind.
1/6th 4 players patrols for 1 player to 1/4 as intended.
Patrols you can ignore.
Solo play is soooo much harder now.
@@mindsight9732yup I rage quites for the first time on a game today. night and day difference from last time I played two days ago. I was so confused why I kept loosing and getting bodied had to look up online if I was the only one and low and behold it looks like this game is starting to put nails in the coffin
Clearly the automatons and bugs are on alert, after all this conflict.
Going to God of war... Kill some bad guys there.
These devs are just going the wrong way.
How are 90% of the weapons unusable.
Sigh, so hopefully when the game came out
Majority of guns tweaked or buffed.
Quaser in pocket longer? no one cares.
Extra ammo you didn't need on errupter who cares.
Markship rifle buffs and fixes accross board.
Base gun boosted.
main nerf looks like recoil increased on the redeemer.
They broke no weapon this time, and buffed many.
@@mindsight9732 see, it's "fans" like you that make , devs turn into "CoD".
Fan boys make games crap.
Accepting what they give you
5 sec. more for quasar is too much. I carried it on every mission but now. how am I deal with 3 chargers and 2 bile titans at once if all my stratagems cooling down? And 6 magazines and nerfed explosion for Eruptor is bad joke. at least they can make it reloading shots little bit faster and 6 round mag. My two favorite weapons are weak in big fights. Oh i forgot rover damage nerf...30%??? Who's idea it was? My most used bag. This patch was bad move I am going back to Cyberpunk for while
All that whining about coop game being hard at "suicide... impossible... helldive" difficulties for solo player. People whats wrong with you? How do you see a proper IMPOSSIBLE difficulty?
Just in time for Manor Lords. Different game, different genre... BUT, you gotta go where youre welcome... Or at least not effed with when youre minding your own biz. Thank heavens for PC gaming. Uninstall and replace
anything on this planet that GETS FAMOUS faster will drop even FASTER which means this game is about to die as they hired devs from EA and UBISOFT to ruin a good game !!!
Lucky are the ones who played it via family share and not purchased this BS game