Warlord Tier List (10/29/2023) || Warhammer 40,000: Warpforge
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Great Tier List, i agree with most of it.
But the music was a bit too loud here. ^^
Great as always!
16:45 tervigon ability can be insane once you get a good stack of them they deal a lot of damage and you can always give them more attack or health
in addition, you can make some nuts boards and auto win turn 5-6 with double cost reduction if you used your talent early 1-2 times
Unfortunately, termagants are extremely weak and easily removed by anything. They scale badly, and are essentially always a net loss for cost compared to other factions.
Relying on lucking out by drawing two specific cards early is the definition of bad.
Hive fleet leviathan eats your entire T7 in a game that ends by T10.
Even if you play one overwhelming early you still get awful return for cost.
Compare E5, where you get a 3/3 (if you have ripper swarm on hand) and a 3/6/6 termagant.
The gaunt is easily removed at 5E by mostly anything in other factions, and the Swarm does not scale.
End result: Tyranids suck.
I think the green warlord is better as the epic. You lose slot of tempo with anvirr meanwhile even you can remove the token troop it requires an action and doesn’t hit your face. Against UM and necrons you will always lose the HP game due the fact they can hit you every round freely.
“Abby can’t use his power turn one” Failbaddon being Failbaddon ahhh classic
It's almost like putting a card down on the board to use a spell on it is a mechanic for all card games with spells that target your own units
I started off with chaos just because I like the faction and after investing my time into Abbadon I will say that I think Chaos is like a shittier version of space marines with less tools and objectively worse cards. I genuinly think Ultra Marines especially Calgar are completely busted and the very least the flying flank units at 3 and 6 mana feel like they are way overbudgeted and I have nothing to deal with them. It feels really bad when all of the chaos flanking units are basically one and done or they get shot down the next turn because they have 0 ranged ap. To me I think the problem with Chaos is that they are hamstrung by being designed around dark pacts which means its basically a win more faction if you manage to snow ball but otherwise you will likely lose the board control game to a competent opponent. I think one of the biggest problems that makes SM so broken in their combination of flanking units with blind or stun mechanics which you cant really play around and generally everything they have synergizes pefectly with each other while also enabling codex to boot.
The only think more broken than Ultramines is when you come across that 4 mana flanking necron with remnant and it gets rezzed over and over again and wipes your board. The thing is that when playing against Necrons even a competent necron I feel like theres a fair chance for me to win but against ultramarines and especially a good Calgar deck its just an uphill battle the entire time where Im just outclassed by better cards. Its not very fun especially after I invested time and money into learning chaos only to find out they are really mediocre and only good at beating up noobs.
I mainly play draft, and i think the rankings there would be somewhat different. Ghazghkull is pretty good in draft, for example, and if not for his crippling weakness to Eldar flyers I might rank the Swarmlord at the very top in draft. Not being able to kill a Shroud Runner in one hit might be enough to drop him from high S to low A (for me, in draft).
Oh yes, draft can be a whole different story indeed. Swarmlord is better there for sure.
I got Tigurius from the shop 2 days ago and my ranked matches have never been the same again lol…..like I win 3 matches out of every 5 I play 🗿
Hm, the balance isn't too bad, just UM's are kind of OP in everything, necron comes right afterwards. Nids need some huge love and chaos a bit tho.
Since i only played chaos so far, i would put the sorcerer in C tier. Sure it is random but from turn 2 onwards you always have something to play if you want. I still don't understand why he has to be random and tigurius can choose. Maybe the sorcerer power should cost less or has to have better effects to compensate the randomness
But yes, chaos seems to be a bit weak right now. They need better warlords and some nice lategame units
As a chaos player so far, he is terrible, he bearly gets you the card you want and with the damage one you can't even choose
I miss wheb chaos lords could use jump pack now..
That said probably gonna use chaos and mimic my 2k NL list or go smurf untill I bloody get my *Imperial guard*
(Why they didnt add guard in the base game I will never understand.)
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Abbadon can heal instead so he can use it turn 1
This is very old. He didnt have the heal back then. Check out the latest one
I wonder, does it make sense to measure the warlord without its faction? I was hurt when you said that my beloved Tervi deserve only "B" tier.
This is actually considering the factions. If Tyranids get small buffs, Tervi might Go A or S
Thanks for the little Tervi praise, I appreciate that.
Strong players (like You or Midnight) value Ultramarines and Necrons which is no mystery considering decks' strength even without legendaries. However, did you try Tyranids or Black Legion with all cards fully optimized during closed beta? Are they still weaker?
@@shamil717 yes I did. They are at an okay spot. Its just that they lack in some departments. Chaos can be very cheesy if u fail to control them early game. Nids simply need more ways of hard removal except venomthrope + flank. All in all they are okay with chaos slightlt edging over nids now.
Well, that's reassuring. I'll wait for a couple of months until you present your decks for these factions.
Thanks for the video, Ecclesiarch!
'Abby can't use his power immediately, he's C tier.'
Me, a cultured Abaddon enjoyer: Laughs in tempo.
Nov 2nd coming soon :)
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Anvirr not S tier he looses too much tempo with his talent, Neurothrope is higher than B for sure, Zephyrblade is higher than D tier just from being a 40 hp warlord and able to trade with 3 hp troops on turn 1 it' certainly a good thing. Other than these mostly rightin my opinion.
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I feel like you vastly underestimate Swarmlord.
I feel like the swarmlord 1 range really hurts it, even with 40 hp. He struggles to take out fliers and trade favorably at range meaning that he is very often at a health deficit in the match. He needs Adrenal Surge and Mucolid spore to just take out early fliers efficiently. While being able to 3 dmg any ground units is a plus, there are very common troops with vanguard with really high melee which makes him lose even more health.
@zyketan2631 The point of the deck he plays in is to keep the enemy board clear which is easier with 3 attack. Yes the 1 ranged hurts however your only aim is to stick 1 or 2 units on the board (which is easy with stealth) and combo out enough damage to win.
Most games with Swarmboy shouldn't go beyond 7e
Keeping the board clear how exactly, with Tyranids? With your weak ass 3 melee attack?
Tyranids lack any removal whatsoever. No direct damage strategems, no flank, weak buffs. Everything relies on keeping weak units alive, in a game where other factions have both direct removal and plentiful flank.
Even worse, his ability is a straight up tax to bring weak Tyranid units up to the level where other units already.
Sounds like you teir was made by other peoples opinions rather than your own. Based on given meta without you even understanding why!
Im ngl Helbrute,Skeins of fate, and Chaos legionary are all prettt dumb on Abadon
Plus the Armour stuff and going tall practically cucks some classes from doing anything if they aren't Space Marines
Tbh I feel like half thr stuff I'd outclassed by the fact everyone has universal killing
And Free Camouflage and reapplying on Chaos is broken against universal killing from other classes late game
But man that sorcery isn't that great compared to Hark or Abby. The RNG makes me sad