Ducati Panigale V4R vs. V4 SP2! What's Different?
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2023
- Ducati Panigale V4 R:
This Is Racing. Ducati’s homologation bike that inherits and adheres to World Superbike requirements. A complete build from top to bottom, the addition of the Akrapovic High Mount Racing Exhaust is only the tip of the iceberg. Brembo brakes, dry clutch, and carbon fiber wheels contribute to making this one of the most beautiful examples of the new 2023 V4 R.
Ducati Panigale V4 SP2:
The Ultimate Racetrack Machine. With no need to adhere to regulations, Ducati has created the ultimate race bike. With the Winter Test Livery paying homage to MotoGP, it is a true work of art. All plastics changed to carbon fiber, the Akrapovic High Mount Race Exhaust, Brembo brakes with carbon fiber brake cooling, the spirit of this build was to maintain Ducati’s original motive. Pushing the ultimate racing bike further.
So what are the real world differences? This may surprise you but the new V4 R's engine is smooth! It was a huge surprise to us, and we didn't believe @650ib when he mentioned it to us, but the engine is definitely smooth now, reminding us of the crossplane from a Yamaha R1M.
And the power is all there, Ducati has truly created something special with the V4 R, making the best base racing platform for World Superbike.
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When the first V4R was announced my Ducati dealer told me it would reach 60 000$ easy due to the parts used to make it. The « only » 40 000$ asked was the biggest surprise of the year… I own both the V4R and I had the chance to visit Ducati’s ateliers in Italy and talk with two of the guys of the Corse department. The V4R is a model in itself. Nothing can be compared between an S an an R in terms of attention paid to each moto. I don’t have the carbon wheels but the magnesium ones on the motos and yes, you feel like there’s no front wheel because of the abnormal lack of inertia. The SP ones are known to be very efficient too but more like a « gentlemen’s riders super toys », they are easier to ride on tracks and they forgive more gears mistakes than the R thanks to the different engines (more torque).Hydraulics are also harder to set on the R but work way better once correctly balanced. The prices are very close once fully equipped except that the SP can run with the standard exhaust while the R must run with the ultra expensive race exhaust, unless you want to have the fastest barbecue in town (engine cannot cool enough without it). To end my experience, the better softness of the engine of the R is the same story at BMW between the S1000RR and the M1000RR. The attention paid to the parts and the building of the motors are not the same (and so are the prices).
Amazing that you own both! And very nice information here. Thank you!
Thank you! So if something is broken on the R - your done :D Because i really want one but the 2021 version of the R with magnesium wheels...
Im really adicted to Ducati... and to the new panigale... i also have a 996s to but thats my "oldie" in the Garage.
And i dont want to sell it because of spareparts for the R :D
As you own both, how do the 2018 and 2023 4VR compare? I made the decision that I will buy a 4VR last week and was assuming it would be a 2023 but then I read a review of both and the '23 was said to be just like the '18 but with the engine mgmt. software just being more advanced and less of a beast than the '18. That made me think I might enjoy the '18 more (a former AMA Expert License holder in Motocross and Road Race and a Daytona 200 racer).
Really cool info Mani. Amazing pair of machines . Lookin good Ib . Congrats .
If you ride street, take the SP2. If you track seriously/race, take the V4R. Both are fantastic!
They definitely are! The RC8C can be the track one though, and SP2 for the street :)
Thats what i was thinking before i read your comment. Im looking at a SP2 used in my area now. Im used to Ducati's and Aprilia sport bikes but the most I've had is my 20 Panigale V4S. And i still wanted more.
Power not ego. I could care less about that I'm addicted to speed.
Probably the best looking super sport bikes in the market now. You could gaze at it all day and feel orgasmic hearing the exhaust sound. Pure art pieces. I would basically buy one to keep inside the house if I have the means. Great video explaining the subtle differences of both bikes.
The V4R ‘s livery is really beautiful!
you will have the means. speak it into existence and align with it!
Lol Look nice but sht I'll a probably need repairs in 2 years or less electric sport bikes are better
no they're not
@andreisames3021 what would you say is probably the best sports bike old and new that will last a long time without needing any repairs or maintenance issues
Always appreciate your info and opinions great video!
Glad you like them! Thank you!
In love with both of them. A bunch of my Ducati buddies have them and such a pleasure to see and hear in person.
They give all the right emotions! Beautiful bikes for sure.
Ridden both with full Akra. Personally own a 20R. SP2 when pinned to full braking back to pinned is a violent experience that overtime is tiring, hence one lap time attack. Whereas the R can be ridden pinned to braking to pinned 100x over before you feel that exhaustion. I don’t have carbons on my 20R, however I got to ride the new 23R with carbons makes a huge difference but the clutch is the big piece, it revs faster.
That you for your comment given your experience with them!
damn why is that?
Again amazing video Mani. 2 amazing bikes!
Thanks again!
Thanks Manny, Love it 👌🏻👌🏻
Glad you liked it!
Damn im really enjoying your videos, great job and keep it up!
Thanks Dado!
V4R it is! I asked the guys as the dealership this question & got no answer other than they are both sick. Thanks for posting the video!
No problem! Thank you for watching and commenting.
🔥🔥 grande tío Pipe
Great video mani 👏 ❤❤
Thank you 😁
Beautiful machines ,Great insight thank u
Our pleasure!
I really like that how they pointed the nissan ❤️❤️❤️ 4:35
Just amazing man you are the best
Thank you so much 😀
I just bought the SP2 a month ago. It was between that and the R model. They’re all sold out here in SoCal. I traded my 2019 V4S for the SP2. In earlier videos I felt like Mani had always favored the S over the R models for its torque and 1100 cc engine. Meanwhile, iB is definitely pro R model. I feel like you can’t go wrong with either bike but for street riding, softer suspension, less expensive maintenance, the carbon wheels and Rizoma rearsets already coming stock on the SP2, and $5K cheaper, I think the SP2 was the better choice. The black matte color was also a strong selling point. Right now I’m debating on which exhaust system to get. I don’t like the Akra wheel barrel exhaust so it’s between the Akra slip on silencers or the all black Termi slip ons that Jaret Campisi installed on his SP1 giveaway bike. The SP2 is the best bike I have ever ridden in my life.
They are very different, the SP2 definitely would be the choice of most, given all the points you mentioned.
Black Termis, without a doubt for looks and sound. I have them on my V4SP and they look factory the way they blend into the bodywork.
@@2_Bike_is_Life Thanks bro…I’m leaning toward those…not to mention it’s $2K cheaper than the Akra silencers. Self install looks fairly straightforward and I’m considering trying, to save even more money. And no need to buy the lower fairing. The SP1 lower fairing is all black while the SP2 has the red color way so it won’t match or blend as well as it does with the SP1. Still, I am digging the Termi.
Termi all the way!
@@bensahar215 I’m about to pull the trigger on the Termi😁
Felling good right now I am lucky to have both of these 2023 model track monsters...!
Definitely lucky! Is your SP2 leaking as well though?
@@Motomillion No my SP2 is fine so far but had and incident with my V4R. At delivery I made it barely a quarter of a mile from the dealer before it stalled on me. The dealer came and picked up the bike and basically advised me the next day the clutch pressure plate was not installed correctly from factory and now they had to order a new clutch assembly for my bike! They were able to install the original plate back but has scratches on it so ducati is going to replace the clutch assembly! Took me almost 2 days short from a month of paying for the bike before I was able to take it home.
I think the biggest difference in character between the two is the fact that the sp2 has the bigger 1103cc engine but the v4r has the rev happy 1000cc version to meet the homoligation rules.
Look at the maintenance difference / win Sp2
@@ArvindSingh-hf2zd the higher the spin the lower the engine durability.
Got too much money ? buy an R. goot too much money but still a little bit of a brain buy the S
Honestly. I'll take both. SP2 for daily riding on the street/meetups. The R would be purely for track with slicks. Done deal!
What a duo!
Thank you for a great insight of these two gorgeous bikes. For me, I'd go with the SP2 because of the dry clutch and rawness.
Good choice!
the r doesnt have the dry clutch?
yes, it does as well@@afonsosoares3722
the v4r also has a dry clutch
yes it sure does
@@johnnyhun1
That was good review
Thank you, glad you liked it.
@@Motomillion loved it bro. Very in-depth plus things I never knew. I have the 1199 panigale ecu flashed and compared to what you describe on those, omg I want that V4R. How you described how smooth it is, I owned several different Ducatis I never experienced that.
Both beautiful bikes…I’m hoping to pick up my first Ducati very soon
A streetfighter V2
Can’t wait
Good choice!
Definitely appreciate the real world feedback!!!!
Thank you!
All the ❤ & respect from the other Coast
Thank you!
Thank you!
My dream bike is V4 but I tall just 5ft , One day Ill buy this thing and watch it all days no need to ride it.
The 2022 World Superbike Champion Alvaro Bautista is just 5'4 , nothing to be ashamed off when the world champion himself is so short, it's all about skills.
How does the R load up compared to the S? I owned a 21 S and that thing would jump out of its skin at 8K. The tq hit was incredible. Does the R feel anything like that, or does it feel more like a liter Japanese bike?
Cool breakdown of both bikes. What do you mean about a bike being focused on time attacking though? I understand a bike being track focused. But I’m still a little confused about the SP. I’m still a noob to riding.
Ducati calls it the "Time Attack" bike, which means a vehicle that is meant to do one fast lap. Not necessarily to go racing.
We get it mani youre a ducati fanboy 👍🏻
No he’s just a person with logic,cause Ducati is doing pretty good in Racing right now
Cause they make good bikes now, duh
I’ve said it many times, I like all types of bikes. Ducati happens to make some of the most exciting superbikes now.
Ducati is destroying every bike series where it counts. It’s not hype.
Nothing wrong with liking the best bikes on the planet 👌🏻
How do they compare in terms of heat? Just received my 23 V4R here in the Miami area as well. I find it impossible to ride with the stock exhaust. Thanks for all the great videos.
They are warm, but it has been crazy hot in Miami lately too!
@@Motomillionwhich of the two runs hotter though? Thanks
@@devilspin6649spoiler alert, they are the same .
Thank you 😊
Thank you!
Both are just breathtaking 😍😍
Yes they really are!
What up CJ after you get the Aprilia finished you need to collab with Mani and y’all can race. Battle of the Italians!!
@@Final_Boss_Racing I have to learn to ride first ☠️🤣
@@CJMediaOfficial I’m sure Mani would be more than happy to give you a few pointers.
A race spec bike with have a slightly lower seat and higher front end. This prevents the rear wheel endo on super hard breaking.
Maybe its different in the states but up here in Canada the R is nearly $10 000 more than the sp2 and the R does not come standard with carbon wheels, rear sets or a dry clutch.
This R is already been modified. The wheels and rear sets have been changed. It does come with a dry clutch, in Canada they do as well, it is just not exposed, there is a cover over it. $10000 CAD is about $7400 USD, which is just about the price difference between the R and the SP2 in the States.
I love my 23V4s. Got the Rizoma mirrors as well. Cant decide what exhaust to get yet. I just look at it all day 😂
The factory Akra options are great!
@@Motomillion The Akra's are typical. I want something Different and Brutally Loud haha. I was Looking at The All black Termis. TOCE performance make nice looking exhausts as well and very brutal. Arrow is nice too but I dont care for the exhaust stickin out. Haha 🤘🏼
V4r has a different sprocket ratio. If you translate it to only rear sprocket difference is 4 additional teeth. Only this can make the bike feeling much different. If course different engine internal different mapping makes the bike complete different in behaviour.
In terms of power band yes, but the inherent feel of the bikes are completely different, regardless of the ratio of the gearing.
Love it hopefully one day i can own one 😍
You can do it!
@@Motomillion thanks for the support 🙏🏻
I have 1 question I’m about 5ft7 and probably my next bike would be either the V4 R or the V4 SP2 so which one would be more comfortable to ride on the street 🤔
V4R for sure is more comfortable and a more relaxed ride for street.
I think I still like the look of the SP2 more....I had an 888sp4 in 1994/5, the v4r has the same livery, with the '1' on the number boards as well ! It's a shame wsbk don't have a limit of 25 k dollars fof the base bike, then I could afford one too 🙂
Nice comparison, 👌🏾👌🏾
wich one will be better for roll racing and mods?
None.
Sounds like you would take the V4R over the SP2 if you had to choose? Both look amazing!
Very very hard decision. Might have to go with the SP2 since it has more inherent Ducati character and also servicing is less of an issue when compared to the V4R.
@@Motomillionone of my reasons plus the SP4 offers more for less.
For me i would take the V4R there is something about the bike that attracts me more to it.
Mani will you exchange your r1 for a RE GT 650 ? Please 😗
I struggle to see the point in riding either of them on the road. After I took my SP2 on the track I bought another bike for the road. 🤷♂️ Thanks for the interesting comparison though. When the V4R I was announced I assumed it was simply a mildly upgraded version of the previous model. Have you ridden the previous model?
Yes rode the previous model quiet a bit, totally different in terms of feel for sure.
@@Motomillion Amazing, and not at all what I expected. 👍
@@Motomillion Amazing, and not at all what I expected. 👍 In terms of handling, I wonder how much can be attributed to the wheels.
Can you show a Trackday instead? Like the videos too for sure. But show us how it performs. 😊
Really thank you! The V4R might be the more unique bike but what happens if u have to by spare parts or service?
Im not the super rich guy but i can afford the amout of money to buy it but want about the costs (exlucding tires, because i need much more then other people :D
I really want to buy and ceep this thing.. I also have a 996s and a Adventure 790R totally build so its not the only bike in the Garage :D
They are all under warranty at this point. Spare parts are not an issue at all, widely available.
That’s a badass Nissan in the back.
Good eye!
if I had to choose between the two, I would choose the ducati panigale SP2, I like the all black one
It is even nicer when the black is all carbon!
@@Motomillion yeah that’s what I’m going to do if I have SP2
SP2 is on my bucket list. I need to find understand the time attack profile better.
An amazing bike.
Ducati Panigale V4 SP2 is the beauty of speed and performance 😍😍😈😈
Definitely beautiful!
What is the top of the line is it the sp2?, They are both street legal right?
Yes, both are street legal. Hard to pick which is the top of the line. In terms of price, the V4 R is more expensive, however it is also a homologation bike. So it was made with the intent of being used in WSBK racing series. The V4 SP2 is not a homologation bike, so Ducati did not have to adhere to regulations with it
Both are a joy to ride and amazing machines!
I don't race, but I really like the V4R. There's something special about a liter bike that can rev as high as an R6.
And you My Friend . Just explained why WSBK is The Best Racing series on the planet 🌎 and I don’t just mean 2 wheels.
The battle between Bautista and Toprak last week was epic!
No matter its Ducati 1098 or a ❤ V4 Ducati always wins my heart ❤️
The WSB race bike is a RS version that will cost you well over 100k. It’s based on the R, but has a different swing arm, forks, shock, brakes and more.
Who's better for your opinion?
Ducati panigale v4sp2 is the Ultimate bike 💯👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Witch one broke first
From using it, normal use
V4R hasn't broken. SP2 is still leaking oil.
@@Motomillion $40K bike leaking oil lol
I want to know who's better for your opinion?
How tall are you?
I’m in process of buying an R
Amazing machine! Congrats from now!
Spent almost 9:52 talking about everything except the differences between the bikes 😂
Dont know why I keep on watching your channel,, I dont even have 1 bike
I get the engine is different in the V4R compared to SP2 as the SP2 is simply a V4 / V4S with a lot more add-ons. But when you look at the V4R you are literally getting a V4 with just a different engine and dry clutch. The R literally has the same wheels, brake calipers, levers, rear sets as the V4S. All of those parts are different on the SP2. Considering the cost of the R vs SP2 I feel they really should have added a few extra accessories that are included standard on the SP2 to the R. You are literally paying more than an SP2 for a different engine, dry clutch and name. I get the R is still more favorable given the circumstance. Is it really worth it over the SP2? Not considering whether it's for street or track use.
The suspension and suspension geometry is also different.
I bought the SP2 in June 2023, it was one of the only few remaining in Southern California. The R was also available and I debated a long time between the 2. In the end, I chose the SP2 because I was mainly going to ride it on the street. I don't ride on the track at all. Watching all of Mani's older videos, he seemed to be more of the base, S, and SP2 fan over the R but in this video he really admired the R. I still think Mani is more partial to the SP2 over the R, though. But I also chose the SP2 over the R because I liked to matte black livery, and the fact that it already came with carbon wheels and the Rizoma rear sets. Thus far on my SP2, I've only modded it for aesthetic purposes, adding the carbon mud guard, carbon side frame covers, WRS windscreen, and the black Termi slip-on under-belly exhaust. I also modded the chain and sprockets. I plan to get the R in the future and just have both bikes. But truly, the SP2 is the best bike I have ever ridden. Then again, I've not ridden the R yet but hope to one day.
I think you are in love with that V4R... 🤣
Just amazed how different it feels.
@@Motomillion Did you remove the 'foil' that is over the carbon of the exhaust? So your carbon pops out more?
They are always overpriced but if price is not a problem then they are still the best...It cost double the price of a Yamaha R1m here in my country..
Almost double here in the States too.
@@Motomillion 👍🏻
SP2 for me :)
Just an awesome machine!
I love how they just snuck that Nissan 300ZX by. LOL
Cool car!
What's up with the forks on these two !?
Sp2 electronic, V4 R manual.
Thanks !@@Motomillion
Only to mention that the front spoilers are horrendous.
I would remove them from the bike😢
"Time attack" when referencing the SP?
Yes, they call the SP bikes their time attack bikes.
Great vid!, one thing : its not the centrifugal force that you refer, its the gyroscope effect of a rotating mass
cen·trif·u·gal force
nounPhysics
noun: centrifugal force; plural noun: centrifugal forces
an apparent force that acts outward on a body moving around a center, arising from the body's inertia.
@@Motomillion centrifugal force, a radial force that has direction outward from the center of the rotating mass and gyroscopic effect, a force that stabilises a rotating mass making any axial disturbance harder because it has to overcome it, it's like a neutral to any axial force applied to a rotating mass and it is proportional to the rotation speed- so, how does centrifugal force explain the counter rotating crankshaft? What benefits you get from it , And how does the gyroscopic force explain it and what are the gains? Well you have multiple gyroscopic forces from wheels , gears , pinion, sprocket creating one big gyroscope because the forces adds up, and by reversing the crankshaft you actually subtract what would have been added to that force, hence less axial force needs to be applied to counteract the gyro hence having a bike that leans easy even at very high speeds and RPM 👍, and now when you rev it higher you can, at certain speeds, to even make it 0 gyro , what means 0 force to lean the bike 🤘now, the centrifugal force is counter acted by centripetal force, which is the forces between the atoms and molecules that hold the mass together, once that force is overcomed by the centrifugal one, u get disintegration of the rotating mass, exploding wheels etc
SP2. ❤
300zx z32!!!!❤❤❤
I like the 300zx
We do too!
Amazing machine but I can’t still afford it neither one of them.
One day!
RC46 with RC212V 2007 body kit.
Why so braindead
Brooo IV BEEN SPELLING YOUR NAME WRONG THE WHOLE TIME!?! Mani not Mannie or Manny .. Ay nice shirt btw MANI , always wear cool Tees brother
Thank you John!
both bikes nice difference is engine
Also suspension geometry and the suspension itself too.
can 5.6ft guy ride V4s
May be a little too tall.
Shake = Vibration, right?
Vibrations from the engine running, not balance of the wheels.
I thought about it…..then bought the Xtrenta
Xtrenta is not road legal though.
@@Motomillion in reality the R and the SP are a misery to ride on the road, I have the SL 1299 and I gave up riding it on the road, such a highly tuned engine running at 4 to 5k rpm is ridiculous to ride, also the heat from it is painful around the town. So when the Xtrenta came out it made more sense, the price was the same as it cost me to build my 1199 to a lesser spec! But if you want to impress people around town I guess it works, funny thing is more people take notice of my 749 than my SL! Thanks for the vid like them all good work.
Yo' someone is stealing your Z in the background.... Lol
Not mine, but it is a very cool car!
v4r homologation bike made for the track, sad its probably never gonna see the track just highway pulls and street squiding
Does it really matter?
So like every other liter bike 😂😂😂
People forget the 2023 bagnaia replica and the bautista replica, they are actually much more expensive than sp2 and r
Tittle says ultimate, not the most expensive?
@@Motomillion yeah, i wasnt criticizing, just wanna remember people those fantastic bikes exist 😅
Ducati 888SP WSBK!!!!!!
It’s actually centripetal force…not centrifugal
Centrifugal it is.
Centripetal force is the force REQUIRED for circular motion. Centrifugal force is the force that makes something flee from the center.
@@Motomillion you could have googled it but yeah go ahead and be hard about being an iDīoT.
The centrifugal force is not a “real” force - the tendency to fly outwards is observed because objects that are moving in a straight line tend to continue moving in a straight line. This is called inertia, and it makes objects resistant to the force that makes them move in a curve.
From google
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V4r the best
pengen beli ducati panigale v4r tpi dana cuman ada 3jutaan
Ducati
Aprilia
Honda
Bmw
Yamaha
Kawasaki
Am i write? If not than correct me!
Very subjective topic!
@@Motomillion according to you.
Dude have you seen a WSBK? The only thing they use that is stock is the frame and engine cases. Everything else will be changed to Corsa parts.
WSBK has more than just one class of racing.
@@Motomillion Good point Manny, I just don't think they were thinking World SuperStock when they made the V4r. So I have to disagree with you when you say it's not for club racers. It's a track focused version of a street bike that you're going to need if there are CC limits and you want to race a Ducati.
Well WSBK proof V4R is THE RACE BIKE
Yes definitely it is the race bike. Just the road bike does not feel as intimidating, aggressive.
996s monoposto
I prefer the V4s clean look over Sp2 and V4r
in my opinion, v4r is way better than the sp2 ahahhahaha
Opinions are not up for discussion, great choice.
The ultimate Ducati ist the one you never buy 😂 because its the cheapest top run an to maintain. So there ist money left to buy a BUSA 🎉😂
carbon wheels do not make that much of a difference
You definitely need to ride a bike back to back with and without carbon / lightweight wheels.
@@Motomillion forged allum is a few grams heavier, and better priced/reliability
Lol Sound lik fanboy speech. Their better and faster option for the money That for sure
Quantify "better". It will still get you to the coffee shop these street bikes will go to the same speed.
Overpriced overhyped stil unreliable
Somehow they are all sold out. Over priced is not the correct statement.
Utter nonsense.
both are nice bikes
They definitely are!