Really this tank will get nerfed so bad, it use a French gun and shell and soon will be nerfed to the ground because Gaijin hate France so don't buy it.
I almost didn't get it after Oddz' vid, but I felt he was using it as HEAT--which yeah, it says it is--instead of like APCR or APDS so I got it. Treat it like a needle instead of a hammer, despite that it should as it's HEAT, and this tank does so much better. I've almost consistently had at least an ace in this thing.
You know I saw one of these tanks being hauled by a semi truck many years ago, the truck pulled into a gas station and I turned around and took a picture of it which I still have, I never realized how tall the Sherman is. Such a cool tank.
Hey Phly, I'm ashamed to admit while you were in the intro position, I was the guy giving you fly bys in the Israeli Spitfire. I was so excited that you were in my game and hope I wasn't too annoying. Keep up the good work man ❤
lol, i keep getting wiped by t-34's in my PVKV II / m-43 because no matter where i aim it either hits the drivers hatch or glances off the side of the turret.
The M51 is about as crazy as any production Shermans ever got; however some Slavic country (of course I can't remember which one, maybe it was Czechoslovakia) did experiment with fitting the Russian 122mm gun from the IS-2 into the Sherman. I believe they had a few prototypes of these.
Everything based on armor is kind of meme now. sometimes when all the gods of matchmaking are on your side, you can pull a nice game but most of the time you move slowly to a place were a sneaky bicycle with a 400mm of pen modern gun OS you from the front.
Heavies have been meme tanks for years now. The Brits at first made Axis heavies obsolete in short to medium ranges and after them, all the HEAT slinging NASCAR cars took care of any other niche use heavies had. The last bit of fun with heavies you can still have is in low tier and even then you'll get oneshot by howitzers hitting you with HE shells.
PhlyDaily the IDF had two upgraded Shermans the first was the M50, this was a Sherman upgraded with a French copy of the Panther 75mm L70. That is the same gun you find on the AMX-13 just no autoloader. The M51 is the one you are playing here. That is the same gun that is on the AMX-30 but with one meter taken off the gun tube to drop recoil down a bit. The other possibility is that the Israelis upgraded one last time a group of M50s in the 80s for Chile with a 60mm hyper velocity that was designed to kill T-62. There is also a Argentina Sherman Firefly rearmed with a similar 105mm to the M51. Finley the M50 and M51s were never called Super Shermans that is only M4A3E8s in IDF service.
If anything, I think this thing would do better at a higher BR. A lot of the WWII tanks are more spaced out and harder to take out with HEAT. There are also more light tanks the higher you go
"The Sherman can deal with the German armour at the range that the Germans deal with the Sherman armour." The Sherman knows where it is at all times, it knows this because it knows where it isn't. The Sherman can deal with the German armour at the range that Herman deals with the Vermin armour. The Vermin cannot deal with the Merman armour at ranges where the Merman can deal with the Mormon armour. By subtracting the Mormon armour from Norman's armour, it arrives at a difference or deviation. Ooh, reindeer. ... I haven't had my tea yet. Day 24: Take the Scimitar out and do some MCLOS missile CAS.
The APFSDS round arrived in IDF hands in the exact same year they retired their M51's, 1977. They probably never fired it. But this gun will chamber it. Most of these M51s became 120mm and 160mm SP mortar carriers, but a few were handed over to the Lebanese Christians.
Israel has multiple Sherman variations. There is also an M50 Sherman that has a long barreled, high velocity 75 mm gun, similar to the French M4A4 SA50 but with a different breech, variations with the ammunition, and the T23 turret, unless I’m mistaken. The Israelis also used the Sherman chassis as the base for multiple vehicles including but not limited to APC’s and self-propelled howitzers.
I keep facing this thing whilst playing 5.3 and 5.7 Russia and it’s a total pain. Long range sniping with most hits causing immediate kills or massive damage. My only moment of triumph was putting a shell through its front plate with a T-34 at just over 1650 yards
Hey Phly been watching your videos for a couple months now since I've just recently started playing war thunder on PC. I've learned and used the stuff you do in my matches with great effect!
To answer to Steve questions yes. The M-60 Chilean Super Sherman it was a M-50 Sherman with a 60mm HVMS Gun and a new more powerfull American engine. Basically imagine one of those italian cars with darts on a sherman chasis.
@@Theo2lag According to Mark Nash at the Tank Encyclopedia : "These 60 mm-armed Shermans were known by a few different names. The most popular of these is the ‘M-60’. The Chilean Army christened it ‘M-60’ after the 60 mm gun. However, it is also known as the ‘M-50/60mm’ or ‘M-50 (HVMS)’." There are also some other publications that reference the m-60 nomenclature.
There's another Israeli postwar Sherman with a 60mm high-velocity gun, and also some SPG and rocket artillery variants that could perhaps make it in...
Talking about different Israeli Shermans is quiet interesting because all of the Israeli Shermans in one way or another were different from eachother, The M51 for instance had many different Sherman hulls, since there were so many after the war left and given to many countries, Many M51s and M50s were either M4A1s or A4s and as they progressed they received many upgrades over their service.
There is also the M-50 Sherman. It has the high velocity 76mm gun. Still has the extra weight because they extended the back of the turret to make room for the recoil of the gun.
"everyone should bring as much ammo as they can" "if this thing touches ammo its dead" this is why i bring low ammo ill never use 50 shots and it makes heat a poor choice
I also think there will be another M51 in the regular TT. This variant use the M4A3 hull, but the most common hull used was the M4A1 Large Hatch, hull, that gave more space for the ammunition.
I don’t care what anyone says, I love my M4A3 105 Sherman. It’s not the best tank in the world, but it gets the job done. How does it go? “This is my tank. There are many like it but this one is mine.”
It was never called M60, the Chilean kept the M50 denomination, and the Super Sherman name only refer to the M4A1 76(W) HVSS in Israelian service, not the M50/M51.
These things took on their own kind of Egyptian Army Shermans(the upgunned version of Sherman with Amx 13 tank gun) T-34s, T-62s and T-54s in the desert. they're fully capable of taking them all on.
The average person playing this tank right now is so sweaty and over-salted, it's great. You blast him, he comes back with backups. You blast those, he comes back in his CAS plane, and then that is backed up. Always feels good yeeting golden whales.
i can see them bumping it up to 6.3 or 6.7 but i think the absolute max it should go is 7.7, where it would be at its most historical, at the worst fighting the t62 and STRV 103C among others and at the best fighting tiger 2, super pershings, t44-100, at least thats where i'll be putting it in my personal line ups
@@Kashchey1 ah because at any tier it will die, but its gun will pen just about anything it sees up until 9.0, and being slow isnt the worst thing, and the final part i dont think you acknowledged, IM going to do that regardless of what BR it gets edit: also for some reason my reload on it is 7.5 not 9.7 was it changed?
it shouldn’t go any higher than 6.3 because this thing is shit. everything about it is absolutely terrible besides the gun which has bad damage. it shouldn’t go to 7.7 because it would get clubbed by everything.
not israeli, but argentina had a 105 french gunned sherman with a cummins diesel (called sherman repotenciado), chile did some mods back in the 60s/70s too. theirs had a 60mm hyper velocity gun. and i think egipt also had some weird one. or maybe it was a captured m51.
I'm pretty sure Argentina probably got those from the Israelis. And the 60mm high velocity gun modification for the Sherman was bought from Israel as well.
We already have the other israeli sherman in the French tech tree, the M4A4 (SA50) as that would be the M50 super sherman. Israel also had a 155mm SPG mounted on a sherman chassis though obviously it does look quite a bit different then a regular sherman. But technically yes, a converted sherman to have a 155mm gun to use as an SPG. Which honestly I could imagine as the first "TD" for Israel.
Phly: If you take less ammo, you expect to get hit and die. So, if you take full ammo, you expect to survive, and thus survive! Me, an Intellectual: You see Komrade, if you take less ammo, you hit enemy more, because you are too afraid of wasting your little ammo))))
Phly! Probably expect the Sherman M-60 modified by Chile, which was a 60mm high velocity cannon that shoots apfsds that pens a 120mm plate at 60° over 2km!!
phly I think you forgot the italian sherman (m36e1 or something...) with the 90mm 305mm pen heat FS....it's actually better with more speed and acceleration, as well as a more effective heat round...maybe less muzzle velocity and pen but still seems better at 6.3...
Yeah it's very similar but it's different, just because the m36b1 is m36 with sherman chassi in fact the turret is open on top. I repeat, they are similar but different Ps: the m36a1 is at 5.7
i think the main reason the first panther failed to kill you is he probably didn't recognize you or knew you were a new tank so he didn't know where to shoot, or maybe he thought you were a jumbo
Merkava to progress the entire tech tree M51 to completely rape German heavy tanks with severy undertiered HEAT slinger If you go with M51 be wary that its BR will most likely go up to about 6.7 after the hype around it goes down and sales with it.
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@@IronPhysik there’s no evidence of it fighting IS-3s, not saying it didn’t, but there was statements saying the M51 Isherman fought the early model T-72s but it didn’t say whether it did well or not
Tbh I like the HEAT rounds on this thing. 400mm of pen and can punch straight through a tiger 2 Hull. Just aim for the right side and you knock the driver and gunner. Effectively disabling it
Just a cool fact about the Israeli shermans: yes, they had a few other crazy variants as well, one of which is *technically* already in the game but also not really (the french M4A4 SA50). The M50 Sherman (the one that existed just before the M51 here) is basically the french M4A4 SA50, but with a few mish-mash of engines, HVSS suspension and just 50.cals and 30.cals welded onto the turret and a whole bunch of other bits and pieces added here and there. The M60 sherman (which I believe is an Argentinian upgraded variant of the M50), is basically just an M50 Sherman but with a 60mm High Velocity gun that fires APDS. Dunno too much on this tank but I feel like it'd belong around the same BR as the M51 in WT. Also if you're wondering why the 105 or the big boy 75 actually works in the Sherman it's because that massive bustle in the back is actually mostly solid so it can be used as a big fuggen counter weight for the 105 or 75. Edit: Holy shit this thing went through the T-34's driver hatch at 7:15
This tank is so fucking toxic. 400mm of pen at any range at 6.0 is game busting. It's like armor just doesn't exist anymore when you have a 6.0 that can kill a Maus or a J-tiger at any range. It's beyond ridiculous. They just added a vehicle to game which effectively removes 8-10 vehicles from the game, because they're useless now. This thing needs to go up to 7.7. I mean fuck, even the IKV91 is 7.0, though it should at least be 7.3. 400mm HEAT has absolutely no business being in the same game as H1 Tigers. These things dominate long range shooting maps.
Israel did use other weird Sherman modifications. This tank uses the same gun used on the AMX-13-105, which is just a shorter version as the 105mm cannon found on the AMX-30. The HEAT round could barely called a normal HEAT, as it was designed to have similar characteristics as a HEAT-FS before HEAT-FS had proven itself. The other weird Israeli modification would be the M4A3 SA-50 that we already have in-game. It is designated as the M-50. Phly, if you want an answer to your question and want to play the other modification as quickly as you can, play the M4A3 SA-50 in the French tree. Because it's literally that tank. (Gaijin put that tank in the French tech tree because we need a filler at 4.7/5.0)
Yes Israel have sherman m-51 wich we hat now as premum but some off those Israel sold to Chile.These Shermans had already been owned, upgraded and operated by the Israelis, who then sold them to Chile (than those be renamed as M-60) in the early 1980s. Chile bought 65 of these tanks, who in turn, requested that they be modified once more. This modification included the replacement of the main gun with a 60 mm (2.3 in) High-Velocity main gun, and a new Detroit Diesel engine. pretty neat wehicle with fast reload and apfsds round and stab over all this should be tech tree version change my mind.
7.7 is way too high, due to what other tanks you have at that BR. But at 6.7 it would still be too strong. Probably 7.0 due to the platform, or 7.3. Even the Ikv was at 6.7 with heatfs, a laser range finder and I think better mobility. (Ikv should be 7.7)
lmao then it would be the same BR as the AMX-30 which has the same gun,more armour,faster,better survivabilty the furthest this thing will go is 6.7 but i expect it'll go to 6.3.anymore than 6.7 than this thing is completely obsolete
Im homeless at the moment and obviously can't play Israel even though I've been wanting it for a year so thank you for showing this phly im playing thru you bro thank you
Hey Phly.... just wondering.. have you ever figured out how many cannon rounds you have fired? (over the whole time you have played?)your long range gunnery is simply crazy.. hitting anything at that kind of range is really impressive.
fun the m51 is actually supposed to have a 0,50 cal. on top but it has a 0,30 cal. also i would love to see the m50 sherman which is just a regular 76 one but with heatfs.
nice video, i know im 2 years late but the m51 has a range finder which you could have used (im saying this as a israeli ground player... btw i got the m109 yesterday)
what the french did to fit the gun on this thing was to extend the front of the turret so and add the bulge at the rear of the turret to act as counterweight
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I even beat you to your own video
hey phly how about some more phantom cas but with different loadouts
Play p-61
Het phly nice vid Btw
Phly, we need to petition to add the Yugoslavian 'SO-122' to the game, its a sherman with a 122mm gun and an upgraded engine.
This tank is superior to all other Sherman for one reason which I think Phly might like:
Reason 1 and only: *Lamp*
Really this tank will get nerfed so bad, it use a French gun and shell and soon will be nerfed to the ground because Gaijin hate France so don't buy it.
TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@@ommsterlitz1805 I think its obvious that gaijin wants people to buy it now because its op then in a month they will make it 6.7 or some shit
@@khaledal-mulfi1191 nah, this tank is not OP
@@khaledal-mulfi1191 Same for Mirage they never performed that good since this update came out and they get nerfed to the ground in the next update
7:12
a T-34 dying to a driver's hatch shot?
never thought I'd see the day...
Only work with high pen HEAT I managed it with the M36B1
not reliable... ive died more often than not when that hatch just takes the HEAT
And all you needed was 400mm of penetration power
Phly, we need to petition to add the Yugoslavian 'SO-122' to the game, its a sherman with a 122mm gun and an upgraded engine.
ohh BIG BOY
Finnaly. Someone that upgraded the fucking engine.
@@robertharris6092 i know, about time huh.
I heard it could go 50 km/h
We need a petition to add the whole Yugoslavian tech tree to WT
KING TIGER: WHAT IS THAT THING?
M-51: SHALOM :)
FROM DOWNNNN TOWNNNNNN 400MM HEATTTTTTT
My front tiger 150mm plate means nothing now
@@PhlyDaily But phlee it's French ammo so it is useless because of the nerf, you need 4 shot to kill a 3 crew member tank
Shalom, from israel!
@@NuriHarit ?I'm also Jewish shalom achi mah shelomcha :-) Yerushalayim
@19:00 lets all just ignore the Bulldog with the anti-gravity upgrade.
Wtf 💀💀💀💀
hahahah good one
Nice spot 😂😂
Lol
just regular USA antigravity hovercraft, technology developed since Roswell incident, lmao
I love how in odds video he gets 2 nukes in 3 games and is like "this tank isn't good. Don't buy it." Then phly is like "buy it now. It's a beast" lol
It does suck. You cannot one shot kill anything. Every Q requires multiple shots.
@@sweettrav20 I've had several one shot kills with this, just depends on angle and target.
I almost didn't get it after Oddz' vid, but I felt he was using it as HEAT--which yeah, it says it is--instead of like APCR or APDS so I got it. Treat it like a needle instead of a hammer, despite that it should as it's HEAT, and this tank does so much better. I've almost consistently had at least an ace in this thing.
for me he's pushing us into buying these new things with his coupon... this thing will suck with ''normal'' players skill
almost all HEAT shells sucks, imagine a sherman 105 with NICE post shot damage?
You know I saw one of these tanks being hauled by a semi truck many years ago, the truck pulled into a gas station and I turned around and took a picture of it which I still have, I never realized how tall the Sherman is. Such a cool tank.
Awsome
Hey Phly! Video idea, try the Yak-9K, it's 45mm now has armor piercing rounds!
Is this an A10?
@@estraextras3717 No, this is Patrick!
Hi
YES
@@estraextras3717 yak 9t still much beter
Jumbo 76 mm with 140 mm pen: 6.3
Sherman 105 mm with 400 mm pen: 6.0
Makes sense
Jumbo is more mobile and has more armor
this thing is a slow glass cannon
Jumbo sucks at realistic and op as hell in arcade, its quite funny
@@IronPhysik Its useless in 6.3 :| even panther a knows how to pen jumbos
@@habaa6839 And yet they never seem to take advantage of that supposed know-how.
Then don’t nerf the M51, buff the Jumbo
Hey Phly, I'm ashamed to admit while you were in the intro position, I was the guy giving you fly bys in the Israeli Spitfire.
I was so excited that you were in my game and hope I wasn't too annoying. Keep up the good work man ❤
Do the flyby, do the flyby!
In the first game on Poland, you kill a T34 by shooting through its drivers hatch, but you only got 400mm of penetration?
Lol
Overpressure?
lol, i keep getting wiped by t-34's in my PVKV II / m-43 because no matter where i aim it either hits the drivers hatch or glances off the side of the turret.
@@ravenof1985 Same with Tigers, i hit the damn driver hatch all the time :D
@@lordofkiwi5144 nah they don't want to talk about the Tiger Hatch. That wouldn't fit the Russian bias rhetoric lol.
The M51 is about as crazy as any production Shermans ever got; however some Slavic country (of course I can't remember which one, maybe it was Czechoslovakia) did experiment with fitting the Russian 122mm gun from the IS-2 into the Sherman. I believe they had a few prototypes of these.
wasn’t it Yugoslavia?
That was Yugoslavia
at this point heavy tanks became purely meme vehicle in war thunder.
Everything based on armor is kind of meme now. sometimes when all the gods of matchmaking are on your side, you can pull a nice game but most of the time you move slowly to a place were a sneaky bicycle with a 400mm of pen modern gun OS you from the front.
Heavies have been meme tanks for years now. The Brits at first made Axis heavies obsolete in short to medium ranges and after them, all the HEAT slinging NASCAR cars took care of any other niche use heavies had. The last bit of fun with heavies you can still have is in low tier and even then you'll get oneshot by howitzers hitting you with HE shells.
PhlyDaily the IDF had two upgraded Shermans the first was the M50, this was a Sherman upgraded with a French copy of the Panther 75mm L70. That is the same gun you find on the AMX-13 just no autoloader. The M51 is the one you are playing here. That is the same gun that is on the AMX-30 but with one meter taken off the gun tube to drop recoil down a bit. The other possibility is that the Israelis upgraded one last time a group of M50s in the 80s for Chile with a 60mm hyper velocity that was designed to kill T-62. There is also a Argentina Sherman Firefly rearmed with a similar 105mm to the M51. Finley the M50 and M51s were never called Super Shermans that is only M4A3E8s in IDF service.
If anything, I think this thing would do better at a higher BR. A lot of the WWII tanks are more spaced out and harder to take out with HEAT. There are also more light tanks the higher you go
But you can bring it to higher BR in the future XD
Lol true. I've been getting more kills in 7.0+ than in 6.0
"The Sherman can deal with the German armour at the range that the Germans deal with the Sherman armour."
The Sherman knows where it is at all times, it knows this because it knows where it isn't. The Sherman can deal with the German armour at the range that Herman deals with the Vermin armour. The Vermin cannot deal with the Merman armour at ranges where the Merman can deal with the Mormon armour. By subtracting the Mormon armour from Norman's armour, it arrives at a difference or deviation. Ooh, reindeer.
...
I haven't had my tea yet.
Day 24: Take the Scimitar out and do some MCLOS missile CAS.
Ouch, please don't hurt my sides like that without warning.
All you need now is a Sherman with APFSDS rounds-
Wait, those actually-
The M60?
GAJIN: "Write that down, write that down!!"
The Chileans mounted a 60mm gun with apfsds on a sherman chassis
@@TotalenKrieg43 Israel mounted the gun for the chileans, so there is a chance we see that tank in the TT
The APFSDS round arrived in IDF hands in the exact same year they retired their M51's, 1977. They probably never fired it. But this gun will chamber it. Most of these M51s became 120mm and 160mm SP mortar carriers, but a few were handed over to the Lebanese Christians.
@@ThomasEPeters the gun can chamber it, but it would destroy itself if you fire it due to the muzzle brake
Hands down the best looking Sherman in the game......i might buy it just cuz it looks cool
Israel has multiple Sherman variations. There is also an M50 Sherman that has a long barreled, high velocity 75 mm gun, similar to the French M4A4 SA50 but with a different breech, variations with the ammunition, and the T23 turret, unless I’m mistaken. The Israelis also used the Sherman chassis as the base for multiple vehicles including but not limited to APC’s and self-propelled howitzers.
My first game with this I got 10 kills. An absolute power trip to be able to pen German tanks anywhere
I keep facing this thing whilst playing 5.3 and 5.7 Russia and it’s a total pain. Long range sniping with most hits causing immediate kills or massive damage. My only moment of triumph was putting a shell through its front plate with a T-34 at just over 1650 yards
French commander :ehh sir our m4a1 revalorisé are too weak for the current era of tanks
French goverment: add armor and 105mm gun and call it a day
Hey Phly been watching your videos for a couple months now since I've just recently started playing war thunder on PC. I've learned and used the stuff you do in my matches with great effect!
To answer to Steve questions yes. The M-60 Chilean Super Sherman it was a M-50 Sherman with a 60mm HVMS Gun and a new more powerfull American engine. Basically imagine one of those italian cars with darts on a sherman chasis.
It was never called M60, the Chilean kept the M50 denomination
@@Theo2lag According to Mark Nash at the Tank Encyclopedia : "These 60 mm-armed Shermans were known by a few different names. The most popular of these is the ‘M-60’. The Chilean Army christened it ‘M-60’ after the 60 mm gun. However, it is also known as the ‘M-50/60mm’ or ‘M-50 (HVMS)’." There are also some other publications that reference the m-60 nomenclature.
There's another Israeli postwar Sherman with a 60mm high-velocity gun, and also some SPG and rocket artillery variants that could perhaps make it in...
Israel didn't use the M-50/60. They were only used by the Chilean army, who took surplus M-50s and gave them the HVMS.
Damn, the suspension
Talking about different Israeli Shermans is quiet interesting because all of the Israeli Shermans in one way or another were different from eachother, The M51 for instance had many different Sherman hulls, since there were so many after the war left and given to many countries, Many M51s and M50s were either M4A1s or A4s and as they progressed they received many upgrades over their service.
There is also the M-50 Sherman. It has the high velocity 76mm gun. Still has the extra weight because they extended the back of the turret to make room for the recoil of the gun.
M50 is 75mm, not 76. It's already in game as the SA50 in the French tech tree
"everyone should bring as much ammo as they can" "if this thing touches ammo its dead" this is why i bring low ammo ill never use 50 shots and it makes heat a poor choice
The m50 will probably be in the tech tree I hope
Yes, the M50 would be the fully upgraded M4A4 SA50; better gun handling and HVSS. 😀
I also think there will be another M51 in the regular TT. This variant use the M4A3 hull, but the most common hull used was the M4A1 Large Hatch, hull, that gave more space for the ammunition.
Daily Distracted with the barrel sees a deer “oh heya. Raindeer”
2 views means Phly and a friend watched this before upload. That friend was Dakota looking down from Doge heaven...
That’s a reach
@@ruroc7555 Nah his doggo was def a subscriber.
I don’t care what anyone says, I love my M4A3 105 Sherman. It’s not the best tank in the world, but it gets the job done.
How does it go? “This is my tank. There are many like it but this one is mine.”
There is still the M-60 Super Sherman, An M-50 with a 60mm high velocity gun.
It was never called M60, the Chilean kept the M50 denomination, and the Super Sherman name only refer to the M4A1 76(W) HVSS in Israelian service, not the M50/M51.
@@Theo2lag 😮😬😱
These things took on their own kind of Egyptian Army Shermans(the upgunned version of Sherman with Amx 13 tank gun) T-34s, T-62s and T-54s in the desert. they're fully capable of taking them all on.
Well this tank is carrying a 105mm gun afterall so that's kinda expected it can easily outrange most arab tanks
Super Pershing and Super Sherman, next I’d like to see a Super Stuart.
I guess Brazil got you then, they have an upgraded Stuart
@@ChromealaChan that would be interesting to see in game.
@@BW-4012 very true
Just checked the name of you want, it's CCL X1 Pioneiro
The average person playing this tank right now is so sweaty and over-salted, it's great. You blast him, he comes back with backups. You blast those, he comes back in his CAS plane, and then that is backed up. Always feels good yeeting golden whales.
i can see them bumping it up to 6.3 or 6.7 but i think the absolute max it should go is 7.7, where it would be at its most historical, at the worst fighting the t62 and STRV 103C among others and at the best fighting tiger 2, super pershings, t44-100, at least thats where i'll be putting it in my personal line ups
Why? It's a glass canon on its BR. Glass canon with no mobility. EBR 1963 with HEAT and great mobility is at 7.0 ... .
@@Kashchey1 ah because at any tier it will die, but its gun will pen just about anything it sees up until 9.0, and being slow isnt the worst thing, and the final part i dont think you acknowledged, IM going to do that regardless of what BR it gets
edit: also for some reason my reload on it is 7.5 not 9.7 was it changed?
it shouldn’t go any higher than 6.3 because this thing is shit. everything about it is absolutely terrible besides the gun which has bad damage. it shouldn’t go to 7.7 because it would get clubbed by everything.
@@siko9799 to each their own
yeah 400mm of penetration and instant rangefinder at 6.0. seems legit.
not israeli, but argentina had a 105 french gunned sherman with a cummins diesel (called sherman repotenciado), chile did some mods back in the 60s/70s too. theirs had a 60mm hyper velocity gun. and i think egipt also had some weird one. or maybe it was a captured m51.
Iirc those Argentine Shermans were bought off the Israelis. The Cummins diesel was a common modification they did
I'm pretty sure Argentina probably got those from the Israelis. And the 60mm high velocity gun modification for the Sherman was bought from Israel as well.
Egipt
As I can remenber : France sell amx 13 and m4 with 105 to Israel and M4 with amx 13 turret to Egypt
@@asiftalpur3758 sorry for the mistake. spanish speaker writing in english. in spanish its "egipto".
Amazingly these where still in use during the Yom Kippur War and they faced and defeated t-55 and t-62 tanks.
The difference is IRL HEAT obliterates a tank if penetrates.
@@Kashchey1 funny thing is that the israelis never used HEAT with M51
We already have the other israeli sherman in the French tech tree, the M4A4 (SA50) as that would be the M50 super sherman. Israel also had a 155mm SPG mounted on a sherman chassis though obviously it does look quite a bit different then a regular sherman. But technically yes, a converted sherman to have a 155mm gun to use as an SPG. Which honestly I could imagine as the first "TD" for Israel.
Phly: If you take less ammo, you expect to get hit and die. So, if you take full ammo, you expect to survive, and thus survive!
Me, an Intellectual: You see Komrade, if you take less ammo, you hit enemy more, because you are too afraid of wasting your little ammo))))
nice that unlike oddbawz, you understand this tank is op. least some youtubers are sane
Not Israel but Yugoslavia had the best Sherman. With the best engine and a 122mm gun
I hope they release a non premium version. And the Israeli T54 with a 105 mm slapped in it
US: You get a Sherman, and you get a Sherman. Everybody gets a Sherman!
There is a Yugoslav Sherman with 122mm gun called SO 122, I think they should add it as well, it would be really interesting.
NO PLEASE NO
More cancerous 5.0 tank?
I was waiting for the day the m-51 would be added:D One of my favorite tanks:)
Odd: "this tank is a driving can" and does great
Phly: "This thing is an absolute monster!" And does grate
:D
Phly! Probably expect the Sherman M-60 modified by Chile, which was a 60mm high velocity cannon that shoots apfsds that pens a 120mm plate at 60° over 2km!!
It was never called M60, the Chilean kept the M50 denomination
@@Theo2lag Sure, it’s just a nickname
"I don't expect to get shot"
Gets shot in the first 30 seconds 💀💀
phly I think you forgot the italian sherman (m36e1 or something...) with the 90mm 305mm pen heat FS....it's actually better with more speed and acceleration, as well as a more effective heat round...maybe less muzzle velocity and pen but still seems better at 6.3...
Yeah it's very similar but it's different, just because the m36b1 is m36 with sherman chassi in fact the turret is open on top. I repeat, they are similar but different
Ps: the m36a1 is at 5.7
The m36b1 is 5.7. Also the french HEAT performs just like HEATFS.
@@emaacqua2163 yeah. the m36b1 is just straight up better.
Crazy Sherman variant information. The Israelis sold some of their old Shermans to the Chileans, who put the gun from the premium AUBL/74 HVG in them.
Phly there's another variant of the Sherman, that being the M60 Sherman from Chile. Would love to see it in game.
It was never called M60, the Chilean kept the appelation M50.
I want to see the last Sherman model put in service. I think it had a 60mm gun.
i think the main reason the first panther failed to kill you is he probably didn't recognize you or knew you were a new tank so he didn't know where to shoot, or maybe he thought you were a jumbo
First popular video game ever to feature Hebrew (the tank crew voices) :))))) so surreal...
still debating M51 or the Merkava (hope a vid is coming soon on that too)
decisions decisions
I would go for the merkava. Not that big a difference in price, iirc it's very strong. Also allows you to grind the entire tree.
Merkava to progress the entire tech tree
M51 to completely rape German heavy tanks with severy undertiered HEAT slinger
If you go with M51 be wary that its BR will most likely go up to about 6.7 after the hype around it goes down and sales with it.
"udder monster" just imagining cow's udder being a monster
thats funny because Vergis is a MTFCKR unkillable TANK lol
There were M-51 Super Shermans sold to Chile by Israel and they equipped the shermans with the High velocity 60mm gun, like on the AUBL
puta que somos weones
Nitpick, it where M-50, not M-51
and the gun was not the only upgrade, they also got a better engine
@@IronPhysik thanks for the correction and addition 😂
I do remember that Israel has a Sherman modification with high velocity 75mm sold to some south American country in the 1980's
I watched several minutes of this at .25 speed, you sound baked and I'm here for it.
the T 28: *nervous sweating*
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Phly, trust me, I think the whole of youtube knows about it.😂
its a super fun sherman because its not meant to technically fight germans its built to fight T-62s and T-72s
it was mainly meant to fight IS-3, T-34 and T-54
it does not have the pen to kill T-72
@@IronPhysik there’s no evidence of it fighting IS-3s, not saying it didn’t, but there was statements saying the M51 Isherman fought the early model T-72s but it didn’t say whether it did well or not
@@AirwolfGames Meant =/= did
and no... by the time the Syrians / egyptians / jordanians got T-72s the M51 was LONG out of service
Day 23:
Phly, play the Panther F in Combo with the Amerikabomber and show the allies how real War Thunder Suffering feels
Tbh I like the HEAT rounds on this thing. 400mm of pen and can punch straight through a tiger 2 Hull. Just aim for the right side and you knock the driver and gunner. Effectively disabling it
Just a cool fact about the Israeli shermans: yes, they had a few other crazy variants as well, one of which is *technically* already in the game but also not really (the french M4A4 SA50).
The M50 Sherman (the one that existed just before the M51 here) is basically the french M4A4 SA50, but with a few mish-mash of engines, HVSS suspension and just 50.cals and 30.cals welded onto the turret and a whole bunch of other bits and pieces added here and there.
The M60 sherman (which I believe is an Argentinian upgraded variant of the M50), is basically just an M50 Sherman but with a 60mm High Velocity gun that fires APDS. Dunno too much on this tank but I feel like it'd belong around the same BR as the M51 in WT.
Also if you're wondering why the 105 or the big boy 75 actually works in the Sherman it's because that massive bustle in the back is actually mostly solid so it can be used as a big fuggen counter weight for the 105 or 75.
Edit: Holy shit this thing went through the T-34's driver hatch at 7:15
M-60 is a Chilean tank, chilean here :D
wish it makes it to the game along the 60mm Chaffee
@@AllMightyKingBowser Cheers for correcting me man
This tank is so fucking toxic. 400mm of pen at any range at 6.0 is game busting. It's like armor just doesn't exist anymore when you have a 6.0 that can kill a Maus or a J-tiger at any range. It's beyond ridiculous. They just added a vehicle to game which effectively removes 8-10 vehicles from the game, because they're useless now. This thing needs to go up to 7.7. I mean fuck, even the IKV91 is 7.0, though it should at least be 7.3.
400mm HEAT has absolutely no business being in the same game as H1 Tigers. These things dominate long range shooting maps.
Israel did use other weird Sherman modifications.
This tank uses the same gun used on the AMX-13-105, which is just a shorter version as the 105mm cannon found on the AMX-30. The HEAT round could barely called a normal HEAT, as it was designed to have similar characteristics as a HEAT-FS before HEAT-FS had proven itself.
The other weird Israeli modification would be the M4A3 SA-50 that we already have in-game. It is designated as the M-50. Phly, if you want an answer to your question and want to play the other modification as quickly as you can, play the M4A3 SA-50 in the French tree. Because it's literally that tank. (Gaijin put that tank in the French tech tree because we need a filler at 4.7/5.0)
Popping off Tigers like they were fish in a barrel! :)
Giving this a watch before trying the M-51 for the first time. Great video.
Yes Israel have sherman m-51 wich we hat now as premum but some off those Israel sold to Chile.These Shermans had already been owned, upgraded and operated by the Israelis, who then sold them to Chile (than those be renamed as M-60) in the early 1980s. Chile bought 65 of these tanks, who in turn, requested that they be modified once more. This modification included the replacement of the main gun with a 60 mm (2.3 in) High-Velocity main gun, and a new Detroit Diesel engine. pretty neat wehicle with fast reload and apfsds round and stab over all this should be tech tree version change my mind.
This tank at 6.0 is just ridiculous, I don't care about any other stat. That thing should move straight up to 7.7 at least
7.7 is way too high, due to what other tanks you have at that BR. But at 6.7 it would still be too strong. Probably 7.0 due to the platform, or 7.3. Even the Ikv was at 6.7 with heatfs, a laser range finder and I think better mobility. (Ikv should be 7.7)
lmao then it would be the same BR as the AMX-30 which has the same gun,more armour,faster,better survivabilty
the furthest this thing will go is 6.7 but i expect it'll go to 6.3.anymore than 6.7 than this thing is completely obsolete
Its literaly worse in every meaningful way than the m36b1.
@@Acerrzzz i'd say 7.3 then, it need a br wall between it and 6.3 heavies; currently it's like if gaijin put a Tiger 2H at 4.3
When other nations are getting your tanks before you:
*Sad french noises*
Nobody:
Phly: :0 hey reindeer
Sherman hull with French Amx-13 gun mounted, with extra 2" of frontal armor.
Im homeless at the moment and obviously can't play Israel even though I've been wanting it for a year so thank you for showing this phly im playing thru you bro thank you
Oddbawz: this thank is bad
Phly: this thing is a monster, buy it
its funny, because Odd got a nuke with his M-51, like... if it is so bad.. how did you get a nuke???
Hey Phly.... just wondering.. have you ever figured out how many cannon rounds you have fired? (over the whole time you have played?)your long range gunnery is simply crazy.. hitting anything at that kind of range is really impressive.
fun the m51 is actually supposed to have a 0,50 cal. on top but it has a 0,30 cal. also i would love to see the m50 sherman which is just a regular 76 one but with heatfs.
There is also the Sherman M50: with AMX-13's 75mm cannon
Italy made a Sherman with the Oto-melara super long 60mm high velocity gun
nice video, i know im 2 years late but the m51 has a range finder which you could have used (im saying this as a israeli ground player... btw i got the m109 yesterday)
Day 102:
Hey Phly! Please play the Tiger1P (Pz. Bef. Wg. VI (P) ) again :)
You can also combo it with the Fw 190 F-8, or the Do 335 B-2
what the french did to fit the gun on this thing was to extend the front of the turret so and add the bulge at the rear of the turret to act as counterweight
The HE round for the M-51 is good up until u face a Tiger II it wouldve 1 shot that Panther at the 6 min mark.
The M-51 shermans were regular shermans which received L57 75 mm guns purchased from Frenchs and which were coming from the AMX-13/75.
that was the M-50
M-51 had a 105mm
the best sherman mod is . . . only suspension from sherman and up is a squerbody chevy :D
Aww yea, we're getting the Ravioli back.
I got my first nuke with this M-51 and the Israeli Spitfire for CAS. Gotta love it
Yes you have the m50 shermam with the French amx 75mm turret and there's an AA sherman. I love the IDF!
Hey Phly, If you nail the bottomside of the panthers barrel above the driver hatch with HE, it should one shot the tank
Hi Phly just to let you know if you click on the back round crew while in the hanger you throw snow balls at them
The new Israel crew lines are pretty neat.
Actually, there was Sherman with 122mm gun :)
M-51: 6.0
Meanwhile entire U.S. Sherman tree: