(Are YOU stealing from God?) Are Christians required to Tithe? | Doug Batchelor
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- Are Christians required to Tithe? | Doug Batchelor
Tithing is a controversial topic so how do we know if we're stealing from God?
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2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
2 Cor 9:7 has nothing to do with the support for the gospel. In 2 Corinthians 8-9 Paul is specifically appealing for the church members to support the humanitarian needs of helping the suffering christians in jerusalem. This is a free will offering and has nothing to do with support for the gospel which paul already addressed in 1st corinthians 9:13-14. I already made a video refuting this falsehood.
@@AndrewsTitheReview Paul would of went to the extreme to defend Tithes the way preachers do today . Paul did not. He said it was not a command do what your heart purpose.
@@westcoast2546 "He said it was not a command" WRONG, Paul specifically cited the model of tithes and offerings in 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 and then said "in the same way" or "even so" it is commanded by the Lord for the gospel. It is literally a command. Christians must give a minimum %10 otherwise we are more selfish than the Jews of the Old Testament. What makes you think the Holy Spirit would require less of those under grace than those under the law? Does the love of Christ make people more stingy? Of course not. %10 is the minimum.
@@AndrewsTitheReviewthank you. Where in new testament does it say we still need to tithe. Regards
@@SpottedEagleOwls "here in new testament does it say we still need to tithe." 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 says Jesus commanded tithes and offerings for the gospel. Christians must return a minimum %10 compelled by love to lead others to Jesus and His great love. I published several videos about this.
I was an athiest 10 years ago, met my SDA wife and started to read the blble and learnt tithing. At first it was hard to give 10% of my paycheck to Church but then I accepted it after reading Malachi. I was naive and believed word for word that God will make me rich. 10 years of tithing... my paycheck is now 5 times more...My career is established and never had to worry about job security... I believe in the power of tithe. He owns everything. God thank you for teaching me sharing through tithe. Thank you for all your blessing to me and my family. May I return you more and more with joy and love. Thank you God.
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Thanks for sharing your story. Just know that today's version of tithing has no biblical precedent. We're not defined by how much money we pay to a religious institution. We're free to give, not bound to pay.
@@markb7067 I love giving back to him. All I have comes from God.
@@LoganParkCPA You are correct. I published a video refuting the claims of markb
@LoganParkCPA It is better to feed the poor than the heretics, my friend. There are those who will gladly take your money and your soul in the name of Christ, thinking they do Christ as service. Christ warned that many false prophets would come and deceive many.
Im thankful God lets me keep 90% of what He gives me.
Charles Brown, what scriptures are you using to justify tithing? Are following Abram's examples or the Mosaic Law?
@mikewayne6608 I'm not a legalistic person. I believe there are two things in the Bible you must believe. Very simple.....you have to believe everything is says about Christ and everything it says about man. The thief on the cross did and he is in Heaven now.
@@charlesbrown959 All true. However, you didn't address my question.
@mikewayne6608 I did try and answer your question from my personal beliefs. Giving tithes has nothing to do with salvation. The thief on the cross never gave tithes. I'm not a schalor
Jesus didn't tell you to tithe or to keep 90%.
Love the Lord your God.....and your neighbor as yourself".
Do you try your best to do that?
I thought not
Matthew 25:35-40.
Plus other verses....
As a new testament believer, I was never under the laws of Moses!
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the tithing plan was given for the levites (tribe who had no inheritance in the land), and it was never money, even though money was in use then.
there's a portion of your tithe that you have to eat, according to the first testament, so why is pastor doug not calling it out.
"there's a portion of your tithe that you have to eat, according to the first testament, so why is pastor doug not calling it out."
Absolutely! But what about the tithe which was to be given to the poor, the orphans and the needy every third year? Why don't they do that? Simply because the church wants it all for themselves.
The tithing plan was introduced first to the Levites, then it became appropriate to all generations throughout the history of life.
Because he's *_LYING!!!!!_*
Every time I tithe, blessings reign abundantly. I will continue honoring God!
Hahahahahhaha..
Are you tithing FOOD
That has happened to a "hopeless case" like me, and brought me from the bottom of the stack to the top toward high above.
Amen,praise God
Thank you so much Pastor Doug
For amazing explanation about tithes and offering from old and new testament
God bless and Happy Sabbath
Yes
Unfortunately there are people on RUclips who say it’s not biblical and was done away with. How very sad. My blessings came in abundance after I started tithing! Thanks pastor Doug for preaching the truth 🙏🏻❤️
The command to tithe was part of the Mosaic Law, however Christians aren’t legally subject to the Mosaic Law and so aren’t required to tithe. Tithing was no longer required after Jesus died. Jesus’ sacrificial death erased, or abolished the Mosaic Law, including the “commandment to collect tithes.” (Hebrews 7:5,18; Colossians 2:13,14) Instead, each Christian is to contribute financially “as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. (2 Corinthians 9:7)
McClintock and Strong’s Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature states: “In the early Christian Church the custom of consecrating to religious purposes a tenth of the income was VOLUNTARY, and it was not made obligatory until the Council of Tours in 567.”
@@sunnyjohnson992 "The command to tithe was part of the Mosaic Law," That is false and it is proven false by 1 Cor 9:13-14 where Paul appeals to the tithing model and says it was commanded by the Lord for the support of the gospel and it is also proven false by Heb 7:9 which proves that the Levitical tithe is just as holy to the Lord as the tithe to Melchizedek, the very office which Christ now occupies (Heb 7:1-10). Tithe is not limited only to Mosaic law. The argument for tithing is irrefutable. Furthermore your insinuation that tithe was obligatory is misleading as nowhere in the entire Bible are people arrested for punished for not tithing. The consequences for not tithing came from the Lord and since He is God is free to reward people for their obedience or disobedience.
@@AndrewsTitheReview how is 1 Cornithians 9:13-14 about tithe?
@@Popo-br8xq in verse 13 the apostle paul appeals to the levitical tithing model and then in verse 14 says in the same way this is commanded by the lord for the support of the gospel. He does not say the word "tithe" but he does explicitly refer to the system of tithes (and offerings) to support the priesthood. I made a video about this. People who oppose tithing are unable to refute this Scripture.
@andrewstithereview 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 NKJV - Do you not know that those who minister the holy things eat of the things of the temple, and those who serve at the altar partake of the offerings of the altar? Even so the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel.
Sorry, I need help with word by word explanation in the verse. You don't need to if you don't have the time though. Thanks.
I Love that thankyou pastor
God is very real. And this is how you give your very real father the respect he deserves.
Pastor Doug, I praying the God will keep you. Satan is angered by the people who preach the truth of God's word. I hope to see you in the New Heaven and New Earth. Be steadfast in the LORD
I hope to meet you there!
Doug you said that nowhere does Jesus say you must not pay tithes , but were does He say you must pay tithes in the new Testament?
There is a commandment to continue tithing, it's found in 1 Cor 9:13-14 where Paul appeals to the Old Testament Levitical tithing model and says "in the same way" this is commanded by the Lord for the support of the gospel. This is proof that tithe is a minimum required by Christians. Furthermore the changing of the priesthood from Levitical to Melchizedek does not change the nature of the tithe, it is just as holy to the Lord now as it was during the Levites. Hebrews 7:9 proves that the holiness of tithe is under both priesthoods, Levitical and Melchizedek.
Matthew 23:23
He doesn't. There's no universal indictment anywhere in the bible for everyone to pay tithes to a religious organization. Jesus mentioned the act of the ceremonial tithe in the New Testament while chastising those who were carrying it out. That's not a universal commandment. He simply made an example of the Pharisees who were more interested in controlling people with legalism than practicing morality.
@@AndrewsTitheReview once again sda,s misinterprete scripture to back up tithing by cherry picking scripture out of context you guys are a piece of work!
@@markb7067 you're right, i'm quite shook pastor doug is preaching this doctrine, the tithing plan was given for the levites, and there's a portion of your tithe that you have to eat, according to the first testament, so why is pastor doug not calling it out.
Be aware all who comment on this video, there's a scammer pretending to be Pastor Doug, they are spamming comments. This is quite common on RUclips. Again if you get a reply from them it's not Pastor Doug, it's a rotten no good scammer.
Just report to the RUclips Admin
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Que bueno que encontré la palabra diezmo ( tithe) .
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Amen! God bless you!
Yes tithe to the kingdom of heaven by going and take care of the poor, the week, the orphans and the widows.
Which the professed Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) church does not practice. In Matthew 25:34-36 we read, I quote,
" 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me."
But nowhere did Jesus say that they were a good tithe payer. This the SDA church ignores and even claims of its own to enrich themselves. VERY SAD to see the very church the Son of God has organized to go down this path, the path of perdition!
Also, the offerings are for the local church to support the work of the Three Angels Message as the gospel to attract people to really find where they can experience Gracious Great God in their lives. It does not fail, but people do fail [all by themselves]. Believe me!
Do not forget to bring tithes and offerings the way the Lord tells you to do. It will do your heart well, and your health may increase, inside and outside. You will be glad you did.
My question is this if a church claims not to follow the old testament including the sabbath should they be asking for tithe?
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Those of us on limited income can tithe by giving of our time. Whether driving someone who doesn't have a car to helping someone who is ill. If you have too much fruit from your trees and bushes just share. Help someone who can no longer work in their yards. Just help.
Tithe was was always FOOD
@@KNOWING- ABSOLUTELY! you are right; money was never in the tithing system.
Those who are on a limited income and do receive it can return 1/10th of their earnings and return a generous offering. This program works complementary to me. I did tithe and brought offerings to the storehouse, and Gracious Great God blessed me more and better than all the people who would believe they like me or love me who would give to me. I live by myself and have no family. I sought and longed for employment. That did not happen for several years. I remained in my apartment without a problem with no one to even bestow kind words to me. During my unemployment tenure, I was not able to travel far to church because I had no sufficient funds to pay mass transportation fare. On one side, after my unemployment insurance expired, I took public assistance to survive. I tithed on the welfare funds I received, and Gracious Great God failed me not one bit. I never walked throughout my residence nor the streets to ask to borrow money, nor give me food and water. I did not even settle on asking for food, water, and funds from my church family. Several good things happened to me. I was in a job program as a welfare recipient to earn my stipend; I received empty beverage cans, plastic bottles and glass bottles to redeem them for cash, and I was able to obtain free health and medical care. Since 2006, I have not searched for containers; they would come to me. Then I was able to receive Social Security benefits, because I have a long employment history. I worked at several jobs since I was a high school student in 1970. Not only do I receive an independent income, I am blessed that I was able to treat myself to a microcomputer, a color laser printer, and a scanner. I began a typewriting service right in the privacy of my home. Therefore, I became free! Perhaps stationery supplies like laser paper and label tapes cost more than they did during the 2000s decade, I am still blessed. Then I became blessed to transfer my membership to another church that is right in my neighborhood. I no longer have to ride public bus and trains going through the drills by arriving at work [at least 1 hour earlier], signing the attendance paper or punching a timecard, subjecting myself subjecting myself with the program dictated by men, even women, and doing quality work with the firm in mind without the fear of being laid off or the firm ready to go out of business. Also, I can be the kind of self I want to be: I would not need to wear expensive clothes which I do not have in order to appear at the workplace while I did not interface the public nor high-class people. Thus, I wore casual shirts and trousers clean and neat. At work, I put on a polished attitude and behavior, but that would not be enough to convince the employers to keep me on the job through thick and thin. "I have been young and am old, I have not yet seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread." Psalm 37:25. I wish to suggest you give the Lord a try. He will work favor out for you as He did to a "hopeless" case as me. "O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in Him." Psalm 34:8. I would hope and pray that you would expect a miracle.
Sadly, especially Seventh-day Adventist pastors, including Ps Doug Batchelor, are excellent in clinging to every passage they can to support the tithe by twisting or taking them scriptures out of context in order to make their followers believe that tithe is still a biblical command to pay; but they are utterly wrong.
He mentioned Noah, who offered freewill sacrifices to the Lord; and Abraham and Jacob, who gave a tenth of their holding to Melchizedek; but he failed to say that all they gave was a freewill offering, and not a command. Jacob said, I quote,
"20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God:
22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee." (Genesis 28:20-22)
Here wee see that Jacob made a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, ... of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee." That is, if God blesses him, he will give the tenth to Him: blessing first, and giving next.
He mentioned Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42, but he fails to see that he is another hypocrite who acts just as those hypocrites of old.
But the Scripture says, I quote,
"For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers." (Matthew 23:4);
"And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers." (Luke 11:46)
He failed to tell his audience that neither Jesus nor His disciples and Christians after His ascension paid tithe. He failed to tell his audience that nowhere do we find the tithe system in the NT except a freewill offering which was freely given by brethren to either support God's work or the needy.
He also failed to tell his audience that in the OT we find three tithes. The Levitical tithe, the feast tithe, and the poor tithe were not given to the same people and provided for different needs. Each was tied to the promise that if the people were faithful to observe the tithe, God would bless them.
Does the Seventh-day Adventist church practice these three tithes today, or they want it all? Does the Seventh-day Adventist church help the poor, widow, orphan an needy today? No! I have never heard of! But, if he Seventh-day Adventist church is consistent, why don't they practice the tithing system as in the mosaic law? Simply because the mosaic law has been done away with at the cross; yet, they still cling to the so-called "tithe" so they can fill their coffers with money to live like the priests did in the OT as described in Ezekiel 34:2-4.
Interesting practice held by Seventh-day Adventist pastors today; they are scaring their sheep when they notice they don't pay their tithe by telling them how holy the tithe is. And, if they are unfaithful to make their contribution, to put their tenth into their coffers, they say they are missing out God's blessings. But they even go one step farther by telling them that if they are not faithful in tithe and offering, they are robbing God, thus making them robbers. What a terrible lie!
But I just wonder, how many Seventh-day Adventists pastors would remain in ministry had their salaries cut by half and required to sell their big properties or their second property; their second and third car; and their unnecessary assets and give it to he poor, widow, orphan and needy? I quess most of them would walk away as the rich young ruler in Matthew 19:16-30.
How sad!
My friend..... You have made a great point & I support you all the way....
God bless you friend.
Please read the Bible, Jesus clearly supports the tithe in Math 23:23: "“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: judgment, mercy, and faith. These ought ye to have done and not to leave the other undone."
Last sentence is clear.
@@frankoptis I am afraid, you misunderstand Scripture; please study Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42.
In Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 we read, I quote,
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Matthew 23:23)
"But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Luke 11:42)
Firstly, Jesus spoke these words before His death on the cross since He was still under the mosaic law; secondly, He referred to it as "matters of the law", that's it was the law, the law of Moses; thirdly, the tithing system was part of the mosaic law; and, fourthly, when Jesus died the law of Moses came to an end. Please note that at the death of Christ the veil between the most holy and holy places was rent in to two from the top to bottom signifying that the sacrificial system and the Levitical priesthood, which included the tithing system, have ceased, or done away with.
Also, please note that neither Jesus, (who supposedly was a carpenter,) nor His disciples, (who mainly were tax collectors and fishermen), paid tithe. Why? Simply because only produces of the land and animals were tithed and only in the holy land, therefore all other trades were exempt from tithing. And if someone had only nine cattle, he was also exempt from tithing and since he was considered a poor, he was entitled to receive from the third tithe which occurred every three years.
And, if you study the NT, you will find that neither the apostles, nor the newly established churches have ever paid, or were instructed to pay tithe except a freewill offering to support the gospel and the poor. So, no; the tithing system practiced today by any church is not biblical.
@@rudolfberki8683 Since Jesus is God, he is under no law because he himself is the law. And he kept the law after his death (resting the seventh day). And tithing was before Moses, and Israel therefore it cannot be part of the "Mosaic law". Only because something is in the "Old" testament doesn't mean it belongs to the Mosaic law. Another example is the clean/unclean animals which were separated way before any Israelite walked the earth.
@@frankoptis You mentioned a few things; you said, I quote,
1. "Since Jesus is God, he is under no law because he himself is the law. And he kept the law after his death (resting the seventh day)."
Although God is under no law, nevertheless, God honours His own laws or else He would have changed His commandment in the favour of Adam and Eve and forgiven them when they have disobeyed Him; but He could not. Remember, the Sabbath is not in the handwritten law of Moses, it is in the handwritten law of God; and the Ten Commandments have not ceased at the death of Christ, but the law of sacrifices and ceremonies, (with the Levitical priesthood), pointing to Jesus' sacrifice, including the tithing system did;
2. "And tithing was before Moses, and Israel therefore it cannot be part of the "Mosaic law"."
No, you are utterly wrong; the tithing was not before Moses. Both Abram and Jacob gave one tenth voluntarily and not by the command of God, it was a freewill offering. Please note, both Abram and Jacob gave one tenth only once, which means it was not systematic. For example, Abram gave Melchizedek one tenth of the spoil of the war, the rest, (or the nine tenth), he gave away. And Jacob gave one tenth once God fulfilled His promises to him. So, neither Abram, nor Jacob can be used to support the tithing system today, which is so unbiblical, since no scripture in the NT supports that;
3. "Only because something is in the "Old" testament doesn't mean it belongs to the Mosaic law."
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this at some degree; however, the tithing system was part of the mosaic law commanded by God to support the Levites, (who had no inheritance), and the poor, widow, fatherless, stranger, that is the needy. It was an excellent system, but this has ceased at the death of Christ when the tithing system was replaced in the New Testament with the freewill offering which was widely practiced to help the gospel and the brethren in need, which today the Seventh-day Adventist church does not practice. If the Seventh-day Adventist church were consistent today, they would practice that too. But what about the feast tithe? Where is it? Why it is not practiced today, then?; and
4. "Only because something is in the "Old" testament doesn't mean it belongs to the Mosaic law."
Those are part of the health laws of God. For example, flesh food was not part of the original diet given man by God, God allowed man to eat clean flesh food after Noah.
Ps Doug I have a question - Why are rich people blessed when they don’t tithe?
When I became a SDA yrs ago with my first wife paying tithe was extremely important ... I mean literally... So much so tithe came first & other pressing financial issues were secondary.... It always came 1st even if we are financially struggling & her comeback was... The lord Will provide.. hmmmm.
We even had a tithe debt which I had to sell my classic car to pay it off!.
Now I'm remarried to a lovely born again (Inc myself )Christian lady my life is so blessed & my financial situation is completely different.
Looking back being a SDA tithing was a ball & chain around my leg & you could say being remarried is my store house of heaven opened.... So SDA administration keep all my tithe as you need it more than I do!.
I am sorry that your first wife has not been with you. No matter how your union ended, I encourage to cast your trust in the Lord, and you will feel great every day. The "secret" was that your Gracious Great God worked unseen in your behalf. You may have known that all good things come from the Lord. 🙂
In lieu of your phrase, "So, SDA Administration, keep all my tithe as you need it more than I do," I would rather give "all of money to the Lord in His house, rather than to contribute to a government office that "needs it," without any care or interest in the people of Gracious Great God. When I was younger, I visited a Pentecostal church before I joined my first Seventh-day Adventist church, I remembered a song titled, "What You Do for Christ Shall Last." It works in the Seventh-day Adventist church, too. The loving Lord has not failed me [yet].
There are blessings related to the giving of tithe. There are blessings with offerings also. All believers who want to further the kingdom of God and the spreading of the gospel should tithe and give offerings.
Even if I am not "blessed" from tithing I will still return tithe because it is holy (Lev 27:30-31) and therefore must be returned to God to support His work. This is why the Apostle Paul cited the tithing model in 1 Cor 9:13 and said in 1 Cor 9:14 "in the same way" this is commanded by the Lord for the support of the gospel. It is nice to get a blessing though.
@@AndrewsTitheReview Amen.
Tithing means you pay for the expenses and retirement funds of the general conference officials. Only less than 1% is allocated for ministry. What a Big Hoax and Joke
@@ArthurSantos-jm6zo " Only less than 1% is allocated for ministry." That is a blatant lie. Only a small percentage goes to the GC and the fact that some of that is used for retirement funds if because it pays for retirement of Ministers and church workers, which is exactly the reason tithing exists. What a foolish, misleading comment you made.
There are no biblical blessings promised for paying money to a religious organization. Biblical, systematic tithes weren't gifts, they were taxes that existed under Mosaic Law. Yes, there are biblical references to blessings for giving. Anything required, cannot be considered a gift.
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When I look at my paycheck stub, many items are taken out and with-held between GROSS and NET. Should I give my tithe to God just on the net? What about the taxes, health insurance, retirement account, and social security? how do they factor in? Praise God from whom ALL blessings flow!
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Like Circumcism tithing became apart of the Law. But how comes we have done away with circumcism but not tithing. It was not replaced ? It also says that the law is still in tact but for thoes to whom it is a teacher to until they come to Christ because if any man be in Christ he is a new creature ..old things have passed away behold ALL THINGS become new . So i believe we are free under the new covenant and nowhere did we read that Paul tautht tithing.Wasnt he taught by Gamalial who was an expert in the Law? Under the law, tithing became a command for to the levites... was it commanded before then and did they do it more than once ? Help me if Im wrong??.
Did Jesus teach on tithing. Did the Apostles do the same. That's the question. If Jesus taught on tithing Why did he destroy the temple which was gathering offerings. It seems that today Temple costs are rising every day and people need to be remined to give to keep the temple. If it is for the ministers then why do they possess houses lands and some great wealth when they were not to posses anything.That is what the old testament teaches. It is right to give but one must take care of his own house first. Now you dont hear that preached before they give or are encouraged to give.
Exactly, 1 Timothy 5:8.
Seventh day adventists still guilting and preaching a works based salvation I see, Sad.
Seventh day adventists still guilting and preaching a works based salvation I see, Sad.
... and failed to see their lost condition.
Seventh-day Adventists may be criticizing the sins of the people more than the people themselves, but Jesus Christ was justified in speaking perfect judgments to those who willfully chose to do wrong.
Patriarchs and Prophets pg 527
When we tested God and started giving/returning as the Israelites did God opened the windows of heaven and hasn't closed them yet.
also the New Testament states to give herbs, spices to the church you don't hear about this law.
The NEW TESTAMENT does not give any amounts for you give but as you purpose in your heart. The Old Testament should be a guildline for us. 2 Cor 9:7 says - You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don’t give reluctantly or in response to pressure. “For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.” We are also redeemed from the curse so if someone doesn’t tithe they are not going to be cursed. I think if your a mature believer you should be giving regularly and people who be aren’t should be growing in their giving.
If a Jew in the 1st century converts to Christianity you are saying that the death of Jesus on the cross makes it okay for the Jew to keep more of his money? How would the love of Jesus abiding in the heart lead the Jew to give less than %10? You say the heart decides but why would the heart decide less because Christ died?
All christians are supposed to obey is in 2 Corinthians 9:7. Nowhere in the NT does Jesus ever tell the church to tithe. Can you show me in the NT where Jesus did tell the church to tithe?
1 Corinthians 9:13-14 says Jesus commanded tithes and offerings for the gospel. Christians must return a minimum %10 compelled by love to lead others to Jesus and His great love.
Is there anything wrong with the Old Testament? I, RUclipsr, want to know. Type to me.
So what I want to know is where do we pay our tide too? If we don't belong to a church. I mean, tithe if we don't pay it to a church. Because I don't have a church. And I don't have a lot of money right now. I'm pretty low on funds and 10% of my earnings would be more than I can afford right now. So what I need to know is where do we pay our money too? For God, do we pay it to the homeless? Do we pay it to the needy if I am giving to the needy in my state. As that my tithe.
In many churches gossip, lying and other related sin runs rampant: goes unchecked by the pastor, but just make sure everybody tithes the 10%
The pastor is only one man who is able to be only at one place at a time. The One who is able to "check," search, and lead souls to the course of righteousness is Gracious Great God. He is willing, able, and ready to save us from eternal death, that will be permanent. Only the Lord is able to be everywhere at once. People need not a man of flesh, but the Son of man. He never disappoints, no matter what happens.
"Do not add to the Word which I command you, and do not take away from it, so as to guard the commands of יהוה your Elohim which I am commanding you." Deuteronomy 4:2. We're not to add or take away from His word.
"For I witness to everyone hearing the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to them, Elohim shall add to him the plagues that are written in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, Elohim shall take away his part from the Book of Life, and out of the set-apart city, which are written in this Book." Revelation 22:18-19.
Abraham tithe Melchizedek off the spoils of war NOT from his own possession. Abraham was wealthy (Genesis 13:2). There's nowhere in scripture that states he was to tithe perpetually. I abhor when clergymenan use this example. Are they comparing themselves to Melchizedek??? Nowhere in scripture where Issac tithe (notice Doug DID NOT mention Issac but went straight to Jacob). Jacob tithe was conditional. BUT he wasn't commanded to, and the Bible didn't mention how or what he tithe. Again, do not add to His word.
‘And all the tithe of the land - of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree - belongs to יהוה. It is set-apart to יהוה. ‘If a man indeed redeems any of his tithes, he adds one-fifth to it. And the entire tithe of the herd and of the flock, all that passes under the rod, the tenth one is set-apart to יהוה." Leviticus. 27:30-32. It seems in these verses it was THE tenth NOT A TENTH!
And there you (the tither) shall take your burnt offerings, and your offerings, and your tithes, and the contributions of your hand, and your vowed offerings, and your voluntary offerings, and the firstlings of your herd and of your flock. And there you shall eat before יהוה your Elohim, and shall rejoice in all that you put your hand to, you and your households, in which יהוה your Elohim has blessed you." Deut. 12:6-7. These scriptures tells us how to tithe.
“You shall tithe without fail all the yield of your grain that the field brings forth year by year.
And you shall eat before יהוה your Elohim, in the place where He chooses to make His Name dwell, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, and of the firstlings of your herds and your sheep, so that you learn to fear יהוה your Elohim always." Deut. 14:22-23.
"and he had prepared for him a large room, where previously they had stored the grain offerings, the frankincense, and the utensils, and the tithes of grain, the new wine and the oil, which were commanded to be given to the Lĕwites and the singers and the gatekeepers, and the contributions for the priests." Neh. 13:5.
Here is are some more examples of tithes: Neh 10: 37-38. Neh 13:12 and 2 Chr 31:5-6.
The book of Malachi is my favorite. They were offering animals with defects. Tithes came FROM the land as scriptures defined - had nothing to do with money.
The tithe was to provide food for the Levite priests, sojourners, widows, orphans.
"When you make an end of tithing all the tithe of the increase in the third year, which is the year of tithing, then you shall give it to the Levite, to the sojourner, to the fatherless, and to the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled." Deut 26:2.
For we are not, as so many, adulterating the Word of Elohim for gain - but as of sincerity, but as from Elohim, in the sight of Elohim, we speak in Messiah. 2 Cor 2:17. Other translations read: "peddle the word for profit."
Paul was great, and guess what? He had an occupation! "And because he was of the same trade, he stayed with them and was working, for they were tentmakers by trade." Acts 18:3. Paul worked! I wonder how many pastors work.
There is so much more I could list but I've gone on long enough.
I'd rather feed the poor than give anything to dishonest clergyman who peddle the word of YHWH 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 יהוה for profit!
OrlFla, you did a very nice job concerning what the scriptures say about the tithe and tithing. Stand strong on the word of God.
@MikeWayne Thank you so much, my dear brother. I stopped going to "church" once I started reading the scriptures daily for myself as the Bereans did in Acts 17:11.
There is no need for me to attend a physical building for WE, as people ARE His Dwelling Place! "Do you not know that you are a Dwelling Place of Elohim and that the Spirit of Elohim dwells in you?"
"If anyone destroys the Dwelling Place of Elohim, Elohim shall destroy him. For the Dwelling Place of Elohim is set-apart, which you are." 1 Cor 3:16-17.
Nor do I need anyone to teach me as YHWH 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 יהוה is Father to us all.
"But the anointing which you have received from Him stays in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as the same anointing does teach you concerning all, and is true, and is no falsehood, and even as it has taught you, you stay in Him." 1 John 2:27.
It's just strange (to me) that people feel the need to attend a physical building without reading the scriptures for themselves. Clergyman equates storehouses to a church. 2 Chr 31. Tells us what was brought to the storehouses and it didn't mention money. Do not add or take away from the words. Tithes are identified in Leviticus 27:30 and offerings in Exodus 29. (Over 600 commandments in the OT and tithes and offerings are the only ones clergyman teach 🤦🏾♂️). All people have to do is flip to the back of their Bible and look up all scriptures associated with the specific word and they will (or should) discover they've been misled - like sheep being led to the slaughter.
Man, I could go on and on exposing many of the falsehoods of modern-day Christendom, but it would take a while. Years, maybe.
Anyway, may YHWH 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 יהוה bless and keep you, my dear brother, in
Yahushua יהושע Hamashiach name I pray 🙏🏾 and give thanks, amein.
❤ All Esteem to Our Father Yahuah, I Barak Yahuah for the boldness he has given you in Mashiach Yahusha
@@yahuahoverman9585 Amein 🙏🏾
@@TheOrlfla81Bible also demands us through the Apostles to not forsake coming together
100% I agree. Without the paying of tithe, the truth of Jesus and the gospel of the Bible cannot be spread to the people in this world who need it. Offerings are important also for this work. The kingdom needs all of us to help in furthering it.
Limiting God with money? Delusional.
Not limiting God ,God use us to preach the gospel, like the 3 angels messages. God could of use the anges to do everything but as human being we have a part to play. Our tithes and offerings help proclaim the gospel.
@@rosestlouis1994 Amen
@@southhillfarm2795 God is unlimited in his power but he gives us the choice to help him in this work, we tithe because our hearts are with him. If you don’t believe and don’t love him, it’s your choice also not to tithe. I would suggest that it is better to tithe but you don’t have to, everything with God is a choice.
@@rosestlouis1994 Did The Lord Jesus receive a tithe during his earthly ministry? Did Abram tithe of his riches or from the spoils of war? Did the apostles tithe or teach tithing?
Yes, Abraham did tithe of the spoils of his conquest not his income. What are my spoils today? It seems in the OT that the tithe was based on the increase of the produce of the land and not ones income.
Correction typho Malachi 3:5. And I will come near to you judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts. This passage Malachi referencing Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Malachi 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. The clear emphasis that in verse Malachi 3:5 that God will give judgment; and a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts. Which means whosoever in charge of the storehouse for stocks or stored foods that came from tithes and offerings designated for the Levites (Levites priests) Levites, the hireling,the widow, the fatherless(orphans or poor) and the stranger that are defraud for the benefit and entitlement due them. They were cheated. This is the very essence of robbed God because the storehouse were the tithes and offerings that were already provided ready to be to the Levites, widow, fatherless, stranger and ect. And the robbed and cursed are for the people who defraud and cheated the Levites, widow, fatherless (orphans or poor) and the stranger. The wrong biblical interpretation by mostly false pastors, preachers, teachers and ect... that if you never tithe or offerings you robbed God. This absolutely wrong interpretation of Malachi 3:8...because how can you rob God if you have nothing to give to the storehouse. Aside from God standpoint, HE knows the heart, and the minds of every one, the intentions and motives. He will not force, punish if you never done wrong. God loves pure hearts and minds.
In other parts of the world like Southern Africa members are asked to return a 10% tithe plus another 10% offering so members return 20% of their income
For all the years I have been tithing I never experienced the open heaven as written in Maleachi.....
Any denomination that demand christians to tithe today, are extortioners!
How nice that in the time of the apostles the believers who had wealth sold they're possessions and distributed to the needy. Now the needy gets more poor because they give the little they have to ministries 😒
Its really simple to determine that JESUS certainly never said for anyone to pay a tithe on their wages with money
Based on your references the statutes have not been done away since they were in existence from the beginning before Moses. And that is a good thing.
There is a commandment to continue tithing, it's found in 1 Cor 9:13-14 where Paul appeals to the Old Testament Levitical tithing model and says "in the same way" this is commanded by the Lord for the support of the gospel. This is proof that tithe is a minimum required by Christians. Furthermore the changing of the priesthood from Levitical to Melchizedek does not change the nature of the tithe, it is just as holy to the Lord now as it was during the Levites. Hebrews 7:9 proves that the holiness of tithe is under both priesthoods, Levitical and Melchizedek.
@Andrew's Tithe Review With much respect, if Paul was speaking of the tithe he would have mentioned the tithe. He was speaking of receiving an offering for his labor. As an apostle, as with any other apostle, he was worthy to receive an offering. The apostles would never ask for "tithes" to be given to themselves as this would have been considered sacrilegious. Nevertheless, we should support the church and give sacrificially. It was part of my vow at baptism so I give... the only difference now is that it is a JOY and not based on a legalistic point of view. The church simply uses the tithing example as a systematic method of supporting the church because it is a Biblical model that works. That is what we ought to say. There is no scripture to support the tithe after the temple was destroyed and the apostles never asked for a tithe, but as a Biblical model/system, it helps to support the work needed to spread the gospel.
@@MyJesusSaves That is wrong, you said "Paul was speaking of receiving an offering for his labor." That is not true because in 1 Cor 9:13 he specifically refers to the Levites working in the Jerusalem temple. That is a fact and he specifically uses the Greek word θυσιαστηρίῳ that refers to the Jewish altar. That is a fact.
@@AndrewsTitheReview This is the importance of reading in context and knowing when something is being used as an example verses a command. Paul is saying that just as the Levites received support for their labor, in the same way, he also, as a preacher of the gospel may receive support. This is NOT a command to give 1/10. The tithing model supports the work of the church. The modern day church adopted this practice to sustain the operation and there is nothing wrong with that. I personally return 1/10 (tithe) plus an offering and additional to support those in need. It is a decision I made in my baptismal vows (and it took a moment to practice it faithfully) but Jesus did not say the early church was to divert the tithe from the Levites to the apostolic church. If He wanted them to do that, He would have said it. Just like if Jesus wanted the disciples to keep the first day, He would have said it. Also, I don't support those who make it a burden on the people so much that it takes the joy from giving. Teach the Biblical model of tithing, yes, but it is between the giver and God. Over time, one may even increase their giving. What happens is when more money is needed on the local church level, some shut their purses because they feel that they met the legal requirements of giving. Thus giving is made a burden. Seventh-day Adventists have the best giving structure of all church denominations, I admit. Collectively, we model it after the collection of the tithe. However, some of you in the chat beat the people over the head with the tithe and steal the joy of giving. That's all I'm saying. Some are so legalistic with it they can't see that I'm not saying I'm against tithing. Let's not force it, but let people grow through the practice of giving. Some tithe, some double tithe, and some give what they can. It's all good. May God bless it and stretch it to finish the work. Let's have compassion and grace for everyone. None of us is greater that the widow who gave 100%, all she had.
@@AndrewsTitheReview
Tithing 👍👍👍👍
Preachers getting paid to preach? 👎👎👎👎👎
1 Corinthians 9:18 👈🏼👈🏼
Jesus Christ gave us a perfect example. He had ( 2 ) jobs & only h he or paid for carpentry but not to spread the Gospel.
Job ( 1 ) 👉🏼 Romans 15:8
Job ( 2 ) 👉🏼 Mark 6:3
So all these lazy dogs ( pastors ) that live off the people’s 💴💴💴💴 should really follow Jesus & get a JOB!!!!!!
Titus 1:11 👈🏼👈🏼
Isaiah 56:10-11 👈🏼👈🏼
Bunch of thieves!!!!
Where in the Bible it says Tithe will save you ,you are all focused on money when the Lord said seek him for everthing .
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The subject of the tithing is what I would call "bringing gifts" for the Lord. Bringing tithes and offerings to the storehouse is much safer and more viable than bringing funds to a financial institution. It has more advantages than disadvantages. The beauty of the offertory is that worshippers have to have "golden" opportunities to participate wholesomely in the worship service without the need to stand at a lectern or the pulpit on the altar, facing the congregation. Another unique advantage of "paying" tithes is that it attracts blessings. Some blessings come sooner, and other blessings come later. No matter when they come to me, I am still blessed, because I know that my Redeemer lives. If I had not brought gifts to the church, I would feel excluded as though from a wedding or a party. Tithing is a unique program that was created by Gracious Great God, Himself. If I live through the perilous days to come, I would miss the offertory program sorely. The tithe complements the offering and the offering complements the tithes, like male and female. The "secret" of the blessings that derive from tithing is that our Gracious Great God has His hand in this privilege. Perhaps tithing may have been mentioned frequently in church, but it is an important part of worship that must not be ignored, as people ignore the commandments of the Lord, including the Sabbath day of rest given by our Lord. When I bring gifts to church, I gain a peace of mind better than staying in the house all by myself.💙
I live in a position where most all of my money goes to not being homeless, these past three years I've drained my savings just to make it to the next month. I'm running out of money. I get a better job and costs raise up with me. I can't afford to wash my clothes regularly. Ten percent would leave me homeless, vehicle less and jobless. It hurts when a pastors wearing gold watches and driving expensive cars tells me I'm exempt from heaven because I don't tithe the church. That God ignored my prayers because I'm not obedient enough.
Jesus Christ is my lord and Savior.
I want my tithe to help people not pay for a pastor's new house. I want to be able to pay tithe. I'm tired of being called a weed for struggling.
We are under no biblical obligation to continually pay 10% of our earnings to a religious institution. Today's version of tithing has no biblical precedent. We are free to give as we can, money or otherwise, to a church or otherwise, but not bound to pay as many would have us believe.
Probably you visited a "temple," but you did not visit the house of the "Lord," where His Spirit awaits you with blessings He wants to give you. Let that last experience teach you that "there is none righteous, no, not one." Better is to follow the [perfect] Lord, instead of fallen men. As for the circumstance of your income decreases as your expenses are higher than black smoke billows, it is the way of this Western World.
@@captainkeyboard1007 you think I don't know that. 24 years ago, $7 an hour. Got you an apartment, today $20 an hour gets you homelessness. It's real easy to say that's the way of the world when you're comfortable. telling poor people that if you just worked a little bit harder, or if you worship the money a little bit more you would get to be rich isn't helpful.
@@TexanIthorian That is what happens when people trust themselves, and the things they possess more the One who provides all their needs, including their wants. These people live as though this world [as it is] will always last. This would do no good for people to gain all these things and violate the commandments of the Lord. It could be more dangerous than standing at the edge of a cliff, feeling confident not to fall down. I remember that a Bazooka bubble gum cost 1 cent, a Daily News newspaper 4 cents, a New York Daily Mirror newspaper 5 cents, even 15 cents to ride anywhere within New York City by subway train or bus. Disobeying a commandment or statute of the Lord is not even worth the while, but it is a waste of precious life. Thank you for typing to me.
This was posted to another Christian leader questioning him about who should get the tithe:
You need an understanding of the law of tithe. You said tithe came before the Law of Moses. The truth is the Law of Moses already existed before the heavens and earth were created. It is the personality of God, which means it has been with Him from everlasting. Before Moses came, the Law existed only in the hearts of the children of God like Abel, Noah, and Abraham.
Genesis 4:4
Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offering.
Genesis 26:5
Because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.
Paul said the Law of Moses made the world exceedingly sinful. When the person tells a thief that stealing is a sin, and the thief refuses to repent, it makes him very sinful. The physical appearance of the Law of Moses made the world very sinful because they refused to obey it. For instance: Under the law of tithe, the Lord God commanded the eleven tribes to tithe to the Levites. Then the Levites will take 10% of the tithes and give it to the Lord God. Christian leaders required their followers to tithe ten percent of their earnings, while the Law of Moses commanded that ten percent applies only to the Levites. What makes Christian leaders sinful is they who require tithes are the ones who reject the teaching of the Law of Moses.
Numbers 18:26
Speak thus to the Levites, and say to them: ‘When you take from the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them as your inheritance, then you shall offer up a heaven offering of it to the Lord, a tenth of the tithe.
John 5;47-47
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?
Under the teaching of Christ, the believers sold all their houses and lands and gave the proceeds to the apostles. These apostles did not keep the money for themselves but distributed them to the poor. The Christian leaders gathered all the tithes for themselves and did not give to the poor. What makes Christian leaders sinful is they use the name of Christ for their religious agenda and do not obey His teaching.
Jeremiah 25:34
Wail, shepherds, and cry! Roll about in the ashes, you leaders of the flock! For the days of your slaughter and your dispersions are fulfilled; You shall fall like a precious vessel.
Acts 4:33-34
Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and LAID THEM AT THE APOSTLE FEET; AND THEY DISTRIBUTED TO EACH AS ANYONE HAD NEED.
Christian leaders twist the words of God. They define His words based on their fleshly understanding and not based on Christ's mind. The words 'It is finished' mean He accomplished the mission He was sent for and not to remove the Law of Moses from His people or the daily sacrifice in the temple.
Daniel 8:12
Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.
John 4:34
Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work."
John 5:36
But I have a greater witness than John’s; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish-the very works that I do-BEAR WITNESS OF ME, that the Father has sent Me.
John 17:4
I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
These things that you Christian leaders are trespassing will bring you to Hell if you do not change your ways and obey His words accordingly. You are more into tithe than saving the souls of your flock. These people who follow your teaching are condemned to be destroyed because you do not teach them that obedience to God's Law is better than sacrificing 'tithe.' Paul made it clear that faith without deed is dead. Since ancient times, the only deed that God requires from everyone is to follow His ways. This 'ways' He is talking about is obedience to the Law of Moses with love and mercy.
Jeremiah 6:19
Hear, O earth! Behold, I will certainly bring calamity on this people- The fruit of their thoughts, because they have not heeded My words nor My law, but rejected it.
Zechariah 11:5-6
Thus says the Lord my God, “Feed the flock for slaughter, whose owners slaughter them and feel no guilt; those who sell them say, ‘Blessed be the Lord, for I am rich’; and their shepherds do not pity them. For I will no longer pity the inhabitants of the land,” says the Lord. “But indeed I will give everyone into his neighbor’s hand and into the hand of his king. They shall attack the land, and I will not deliver them from their hand.”
James 2:19-22
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
The Spirit and the bride
Gabriel, an angel of the Lord
Daughter of Zion
Mount Zion, Heavenly Jerusalem
My question is, supposing I give the 10% to church. God knows it is my tithe. then i split it in different categories eg - Church partnership, Youth Ministry, busing /transport service is that okay? or the 10% is a different envelope and then i have to get more money to support these ministries?. I know about othe offerings and works of mercy which is totally different from this.
Doug could you please show me in scripture where it is required of an unmarried woman to pay a tithe.
The SDA has no right to collect tithes or money than the Mormons, Baptists, 7th Day Baptists, Armstrongites or the other countless other Sabbath keeping Splinter groups The sacred scripture was never intended to be in the hands of such men as the SDA and their manifold splinter groups. My words to Doug Batchelor and all the self-ordained "ministers" of the former Armstrong and Adventist cult, is to repent and come clean or pay the price for all eternity for being a false teacher. Moreover, the entire corruption of the gospel by these people is an open display of their willingness to steal tithes and offerings, while taking God's name in vain *for selfish purposes* , because, they neither love God nor their fellow man. The Apostle Paul's Admonition and commandment to the *Members of the church of Rome* Romans 16:17 Now, I beseech you, brethren, *mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.* 18 *For they that are such serve NOT our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly;* and by *GOOD WORDS and FAIR SPEECHES deceive the hearts of the simple.*
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@@AmazingFacts It would be helpful if you all would just admit the Adventist Church has no authority to take tithes from the people. The SDA has no right to collect tithes or money than the Mormons, Baptists, 7th Day Baptists, Armstrongites or the other countless other Sabbath keeping Splinter groups The sacred scripture was never intended to be in the hands of such men as the SDA and their manifold splinter groups. My words to Doug Batchelor and all the self-ordained "ministers" of the former Armstrong and Adventist cult, is to repent and come clean or pay the price for all eternity for being a false teacher. Moreover, the entire corruption of the gospel by these people is an open display of their willingness to steal tithes and offerings, while taking God's name in vain *for selfish purposes* , because, they neither love God nor their fellow man. The Apostle Paul's Admonition and commandment to the *Members of the church of Rome* Romans 16:17 Now, I beseech you, brethren, *mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.* 18 *For they that are such serve NOT our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly;* and by *GOOD WORDS and FAIR SPEECHES deceive the hearts of the simple.*
Hopefully you will get a reply sometime next century.
@@AmazingFacts well I guess since Pastor Doug doesn't respond directly here, then maybe you, Amazing facts can answer my question please
And he's ideas
To servive I need my money paycheck to paycheck it would be hard to dish out even 100 dollars. Ya all are being told to pay 10 percent But God probably doesn't care he just wants you even if you can't.. Although I Believe in God some things come and go that are surprises and it makes me unsure if it was God or the world that gave it to me... my point is don't go spending your money if you can't afford it
Genesis 27 Only Governments steals from God
I visited a SDA church a few times and if passing the offering plate four times a meeting isn't a hint I don't know what one is !
The only time I know when offerings, let alone, collecting tithes and offerings in the offering plate happens more than once a day, is toward the end of Sabbath School, Children's Ministries program, Poor Funds being collected after Communion, and for Adventist Youth Ministries. I do know that most non-Seventh-day Adventist churches collect offerings several times a service. Fortunately, I did not encounter such a problem, since I joined the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1969.
@@captainkeyboard1007 Then one of two things are happening. One, I was visited on that "special day," or you are full of mud!
I say the latter because in late 19 th century the SDA Church adopted the biblical tithing principle as the primary mechanism for supporting their worldwide mission. This consistent plan of sharing resources is one key component that has enabled our church and its message to grow and remain firm in many parts of the world.
And another reason I know your full of it is due to the fact the teachings from 1969 is 100% different than today. I know this because I've been in church, the world churches, since 63!
So, nice try.
@@WORDversesWORLD I joined the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1969, and I can only inform you of the things that I saw myself. I could not describe any other events I did not see. The Seventh-day Adventist churches have menu-oriented lists of offering categories from which to choose on the tithe envelopes. My experiences in church would be unlikely your own experiences, but a categorical list of offerings printed on the tithe envelopes became new to me first. The system of the Seventh-day Adventist Church of listing various offering kinds does not bother me; I am used to that. Anyway, I have received numerous blessings, but I am trying not to return gifts in order to get gifts. This act reminds me of having a "superpower" within me that no person can remove from me. Perhaps the offering programs differ from one local conference to another local conference.
I'm NOT saying to not tithe.. but the system of debt based fiat currency is very different than giving 1/10th of your crops.
Also... if SDA thinks the "laws of Moses" are old (passed away) why try to hold to some of them? Y'all get the 10 commandments right.. why discount *some* of the others?
I've come to learn that there is no such thing as old vs new laws and no such thing as old testament vs new testament. There is no such thing as a new testament church that replaced Israel. Those are nothing more then constructs in the minds of uninspired men.
We simply are followers of Messiah Yeshua. We do what He did, say what He said, study what he referenced (Laws of God & prophets) and put our faith and hope in Him. In the sacrifice He made on our behalf. Through belief and obedience we gentiles (aka Christians) can be grafted into the covenants between Yahweh and Israel.
Shabbat shalom
Before or after tax ?
We are not under the law or bound to Tithe.
Can we spent our tithe directly in spreading Gods word Gospel because tithe for pastors to share Gospel
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If taxes are considered a civic duty of any citizen within a earthly nation, tithe should be seen as a civic duty of any citizen of God's Kingdom.
The government snatches taxes out of our paychecks without our consent. But God gives us the freedom to give Him tithe. He's that gracious of a Ruler. Why would anyone refuse to give to Him?
Before I spend any money; my tithe is given to God (through the church.) I budget my money with the tithe already removed from my balance so I don't feel attached to the money.
Pastor, i have a question. In who's authority that is greater than God Himself did they abolished Sabath?
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God hath not referenced Abram's tenth as a tithe in Leviticus when He commanded the Liviticus priesthood to take tithes from their brethren.
Abraham was rich in cattle, silver and in gold. Gen: 13 but he never tithe out of that. Rich in all 3 not only one he only tithe from the spoils of the war.
Your comment is a good reminder that not all blessings come only in currency and revenue: There are other important things that Gracious Great God gives us as our blessings because we need them, but not as much as we need Him. There are some people who think that money is the ultimate blessing in the world. You and I know that there will come a time when money will definitely be meaningless and useless, because people will cast their money in the streets, and no one will pick it up. I believe there will be no money [needed] in heaven, nor in the new life to come. To the rest of the people, "Lest we forget." How does that slogan grab you!🙏👍
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Consider that the Roman Empire general population was taxed at 1% and in war times up to 3% (and yes, war over, tax went down unlike in our time). Here in Canada we are taxed on average at about 50% of gross income (average income tax 35% and taking into account taxes paid on items we buy with after tax income, like gasoline, cloths, services etc). So then here is the question: where should the 10% tithe come from? The numbers don't add up. No wonder that most churches see individual tithes at about 2% or less. Perhaps the government is taking too much? No kidding. Grace and peace.
Exactly.
It's interesting how there's no such thing as a biblical tithe received from earned wages yet it's evident money was widely traded and wages were paid during those times.
Even better example is Germany after the Second World War. In 1952 the tax for everything over 250.000 DM income was 95%. Basically if you earned enough money, we weren't able to pay tithe because you had no money left to pay 10% of your "earnings before taxes". You were left with only 5% by the government. So the solution is simple in my opinion: It is meant to be payed from every income / money where you can decide what to do with it.
They don't work and no work is a sin.
Why are the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer? That is true in the church every bit as much as it is true in world.
We need a great rethink in the church, especially in regards to mission.
There are many many millions of Christians without -foood , clothing,shelter,bibles,bible teaching and persecution too.
How we have gone wrong
What about a 60 year old chronically ill woman with no family who has no car and has to pay $950 in rent each month with mounting credit card payment due to paying bills with it and her income is $1115.
Does she have to tithe to have God's favor?
Tithing could only help contribute to receiving a blessing, whether in this world, or in the better one to come, where there will be no tragedies, no sickness, no disease, no more trouble, no more suffering, and no more death. Otherwise, the days in this life will not improve a single thing.🙂
OLD TESTAMENT ARE NOT REFERING ABOUT MONEY THIER TIGHTS ARE ALL THIER FRUITS AND VEGSTABLE
IN NEW TESTAMENT THE NEW TIGHTS THAT JESUS REFERING TO IS A CHEERFUL HEART YOU CAN GIVE ACCORDING TO YOUR HEART 2 CORINSTIANS 9:7
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
If we love Jesus, we will do as he says and pay our tithe.
"THE NEW TIGHTS THAT JESUS REFERING TO IS A CHEERFUL HEART" No that is not true, in 1 Cor 9:13-14 Paul appeals to the Old Testament Levitical tithing model and says "in the same way" this is commanded by the Lord for the support of the gospel. This is proof that tithe is a minimum required by Christians.
Tithes and offerings was never money. Paul speaks about giving willingly. Dont confuse the bible with its truth
i would say we should pay 1/10 , but we shouldnt pay tax :)
There was a church I attended that in my first visit the pastor said we are now going to take tithe and he said to the congregation if there was anyone in need to grab what they need and it dropped me to the floor cuz I never heard such a thing from a pulpit. If I ever attend that church again in that state I will be planning on tithing quite a bit. And for some silly reason I think even a thief would also find himself battling with the holy spirit to grab the plate at the end of the rows and leave.
Tithe not for the church, even though you may have the act of supporting the church in mind. Tithes and offerings are sent to the local conference building, and the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. Do bring gifts because Gracious Great God encouraged you to take the godly launch. He, even sweet Jesus Christ, are the reason good and wonderful things happen in this earth. He wants to bless you more than you could ever wish. Otherwise, your attitude is positive proof. All believing members possessing this attitude would be a wonderful thing to happen in today's world.
Pastor Batchelor, were the gentile Christians required to pay titles? Where was there any scriptural indication in support of your proposition? When the council meeting of the early Apostles was held was tithing part of the prescription for gentiles who had embraced the faith?
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" Where was there any scriptural indication in support of your proposition? " 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 Paul appeals to the OT system of tithes and offerings and says "in the same way" this is commanded by the Lord for the gospel and also Hebrews 7:9 proves that tithe is for the priesthood of Melchizedek which is the very priesthood of Christ right now.
Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Now, does that not mean that if we obligate ourselves to follow & be justified by the law of thithing, that we’re then separating ourselves from grace through Christ Jesus?
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the levi do not share resources like other families…and GOD is their inheritance. they served in the church and it was said that working as a worker was worth it…
hahahha
I've been paying my tithes and offerings for years. I won't be stopping anytime soon by God's grace. It said 10% on my increase.
That's your choice, you can give all your increase to the church if you so wish, but it is not biblical.
Pray for your desire to continue. It would be like staying on the express track without drifting off.🌟
@@rudolfberki8683 If True2U08 gave all of one's increase to the Lord as in His church, be not surprised if a God-given miracle happens to the soul. You may feel sorry that you were not in one's place.
I disagree.
..Also, the tithe was used by the Levites, priest for administrative services also..provision of utilities etc. Roads, transport (to help poorer isrealites get goods to market, church etc) run water systems, social services to the less fortunate, fatherless etc...The tax $ to government today, is used for the same purposes. The tithe evolved into taxes as the governmental system evolved. Paying taxes IS the tithe and more. It was NOT for the pockets of people like you or other " religious " leaders... that 10 % which is demanded today from members is called extortion.
Where in the Scriptures can we find the commandment requiring the gentiles to tithe?
When you accept Christ you are adopted into the family of Abraham. No longer a Gentile.
Romans 2:28-29 👈🏼👈🏼
@@frankmoreno7216 Ok....but where does that text inform ANYONE to tithe? Christ came to redeem us from the law that we could never maintain as mere men. Monetary giving, AFTER THE CROSS, is based upon EACH ONE purposing in his heart, 2 Cor. 9:7 "Every man according as he purposely in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver." Every place in scripture where the tithe is mentioned, refers to edible items, it was NOT money. Income tithe was established by the Roman government as a means to raise money, even selling seats in their "temples." Of course, we know how THAT part of the practice worked, the wealthy had the best seats upfront, while the poor stood outside. The ministry of giving belongs to every follower of Christ, but the tithe is not commanded. Words matter. My question is, which of the Apostles gave or commanded the tithe? Where is the command for believers of Christ to tithe? So because we are all now one family, are we now saying that we go back under the curse of the law that Christ purchased with His own blood??? What about Gal. 2:21, "...if righteousness comes through the law, Christ is dead in vain," or the cross was of no effect?
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What about shopping 🛍️ Mimi?
Do u complain that it’s too much 💴💴 when u spend it??
Do u but these kind of Harlot clothes?? 👉🏼 Proverbs 7:10 👈🏼
So what exactly is in ur ❤️ when giving??
Jeremiah 17:9 👈🏼👈🏼❤️❤️❤️❤️
@Frank Moreno Shopping??? Really??? Sigh….you all are quite hilarious the way you twist yourselves into KNOTS trying to justify your bondage, and trying to pull others back into your bondage. 😂😂😂 My heart belongs to God, and I am led by HIS Spirit, whether man thinks so or not. The Lord provides me with increase to use as I purpose to use it in all things, so if I shop, it is my prerogative to do so. By the way, I am a Godly woman, so no, I DON’T buy “harlot clothes.” Wow… How do you justify sending someone, who you don’t even know, to a text that implies that the person has, at minimum, the characteristics of a harlot? The blessing is that I am too free to allow such a jab to irritate my spirit. 😀😀😀 Just so I’m clear though, resorting to being offensive because someone doesn’t agree with your approach to giving, that’s a Godly approach? I realize that people resort to irrelevant texts in scripture, because their problem is not with me, their problem is with the text. The issue of deflecting is because of the very relevant texts that I’ve provided for consideration. Sounds like a futile attempt to overlook the text I’ve provided. Why is it that when one says they don’t “tithe,” which no one today gives a biblical tithe, the assumption is that one doesn’t give? The two are NOT one in the same, despite many from your community, the “tithing” community, who try to make it so. I am a LIBERAL GIVER, FROM A PURE HEART, which is what the WORD of the Lord says we should be doing in the area of giving. NOT trying to be seen of men, and trying to throw money at God, or a church leader, to “buy” His/their favor, as though He can be bought. I trust the New Testament formula for giving, over a non-Biblical tithe for Christian believers today…SMH…What many seem to overlook is the self-righteous spirit, which you have done a pretty good job demonstrating here, that those who “pay tithes” operate under. Not pleasing to God. Your issue with me choosing to walk in the LIBERTY that Christ has provided for me, and not allow myself to be under the yoke of bondage again, is a whole lot of not my problem. I’ll leave YOU with that burden. The Lord teach you HIS way will be my prayer.
Tithing is not taught in the Catholic Church because it hasn't any scriptural or apostolic foundation.
"Tithing is not taught in the Catholic Church because it hasn't any scriptural or apostolic foundation." That appears not to be true because 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 says Jesus commanded tithes and offerings for the gospel. Christians must return a minimum %10 compelled by love to lead others to Jesus and His great love.
@@AndrewsTitheReview Paul compares the giving of the people to support the mission of the Church as "Not muzzling the ox that treads out the corn, not to tithes given to the Levites. The Levites took tithes of the people, not the temple. Moreover, the Adventist Church takes tithes under false pretenses pretending to be something they are not, thus stealing from God and the people. In today's world, the Adventists are like so many others, who declare God gave them a mission because they have a Bible and then rob their followers through extortion.
Well condemned Christ the Sabbath keepers in Mt. 23:
Matthew 23:24-28 (KJV) * 24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 *Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!* for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, *but within they are full of extortion and excess.*
26 *Thou blind Pharisee,* cleanse first *that which is within* the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 *Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!* for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, *which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.*
28 *Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and INIQUITY*
@@catholic4sure976 I already published videos refuting those errors
Let us agree that your reference to Noah offering those animals has nothing to do with tithing and let us also note it was a once off thing and so was Abraham's offering to Melchizedek.l could not bring myself to finish listening as it really annoys me when preachers try to manipulate scripture so it suits their desires.
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"Abraham's offering to Melchizedek" 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 Paul appeals to the OT system of tithes and offerings and says "in the same way" this is commanded by the Lord for the gospel and also Hebrews 7:9 proves that tithe is for the priesthood of Melchizedek which is the very priesthood of Christ right now.
Im in debt and hardly money left for food. im aware of Malachi 3:10 but i cant afford right now😔
I adopt stray dogs and i feel thats how i contribute to my love to the Lord.
any suggestions???
We are under no biblical obligation to tithe to a religious institution although there's nothing wrong with doing so. Malachi 3:10 wasn't a universal indictment historically, nor is it currently, and it had nothing to do with paying money to today's version of a "church". We are free to give as we can but not biblical bound to pay as many would have us believe.
Read the whole 3rd chapter..... focus on verse 6 and 7. God was rebuking the Priests.
My sister sent me money for my rent . I'm disabled with no income . Do I pay tithe on the money she sent ?
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No one is under any biblical obligation to pay money to a religious institution. We're free to give, not bound to pay.
How does the parable of the widow in Mark 12: 41-44 play into this? Jesus says that the widow who gave a worthless contribution had given more than tha rich man that tithed.
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@@PastorBatchelor thank you. I submitted my question using the link. I look forward to your answer.
That wasn't tithe, it was a freewill offering.
Jesus was making the point that the widow was being exploited. Mark 12:40 "They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely.”
Pastor, Malachi 3:8-10 refers to Israel. Malachi 1:1
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I HAVE AN IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN AN AREA OF INCREASING CRIME. IS SELF-DEFENSE A SIN?!?! please if you may Doug
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Bible for us, old testament for us, new testament to us specifically christian. This pastor suits to be a old testament sanhedrin. To us christians the form of tithe can be more can be less than tenth for the work for the kingdom for discipling.
Whoever said that less than one-tenth of a tithe may be returned to the Lord? That was not included in the Word of [Gracious Great] God. If you feel that anything else the Lord did not command us to do, get with the program. "We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29. Who created us, they or Him? You might want that One.
thanks for clearing this up sir
tithing is an ancient archaic form of ecclesiastical taxation and i refuse to be subjugated by the ancient interpretations or the oral traditions of ancient Mesopotamian Empires and their surrogates
There are Three institutions that God made. How can these 3 survive?
1. Family - TOIL of the parents
2. Government - TAX from the citizen
3. Church - TITHES from the believers
Support the church of Gracious Great God. It is easier than you think. I have been doing that, and I am not wealthy, but I am financially independent, as well as domically independent. Yet, our loving Lord, never disappoint me, even though I did not get the job that I wanted to do beyond the year 1997. Not only bring your tithes and offerings to the storehouse, present yourself unto the Lord, and your troubles could shrink, even disappear like "magic." The Lord never disappoints us.
Hebrews 7:1-12 KJV
For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; [2] To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; [3] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. [4] Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. [5] And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: [6] But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. [7] And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. [8] And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. [9] And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. [10] For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. [11] If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? [12] For the priesthood being changed,
(To High Priest by our Lord Jesus Christ in the new testament era)Heb:9 1-11
there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
If the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
Why the church love to received the money thru tithing dispite of the change of Priesthood status?
Today:
2 Corinthians 9:6: Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 2 Corinthians 9:7: Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
nobody is commanded to ASK or to DEMAND for Tithes
Neither is there a command to stop tithing nor give to the church
@@Adventist811 Today's version of tithing has no biblical precedent.
So is tithing a salvation issue? I am not yet convinced.
The tithe is holy to the Lord (Lev 27:30-31) and the holiness of tithe is the same for both Levitical and Melchizedek priesthood, this is proven by Heb 7:9. Not returning the tenth is theft and thieves will not enter the kingdom of God (1 Cor 6:9-10). This is an irrefutable argument. Can someone be saved if they knowingly and continually steal? Of course not. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden for doing much less. Both 1/7 of our time (Sabbath) and 1/10 of our possessions (tithe) are both holy to the Lord and belong to Him.
No, it isn't, and it never was. There's no such thing as a biblical tithe received from earned wages. But there's nothing wrong with tithing if one chooses to do so.
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Legally it is not, but supporting the God's cause is an indicator of our spirit.
If we understand that the church is the body of Christ and the ministers of the church have been appointed by God and they need to have some income for living as any other humans, than what excuse do we have for not supporting them on the regular basis? Supporting the church is the assurance of being a partaker of Christ's body. Of course if someone is unable to provide support to the church due to his circumstances, God will not call him to give an account for it. But if we can do and don't do it, then the question arises on who we actually are from the Christian's standpoint.
*_In a just world, this man would be in prison._*
God does NOT tell us to Tithe to 501c3 private corporations....
We are to tithe to support the work of God by giving it to his appointed ministers, evangelists, and Bible workers.
I tithed off an inheritance fund twice, once according to the check amount, and once more to make up for the tithes and offerings I did not return years ago. Also, I was fortunate to add a freewill offering to boot. During my unemployment period, I settled on receiving welfare as a last resort to survive. I was blessed to tithe on the basis of receiving help from the city, even though I have no family to depend on me for health and care. I was not broke nor despondent for bread and water. I chose to return to work so that I may hone my skills and talents, because I wanted to work besides earning a salary. Ever since, not only I have been blessed with funds; I have been blessed with other ways, including from getting a broken body in spite of my age, more life, and I thank Gracious Great God that I am not dead.
And if I'm not mistaken that was the law of the land most likely, if you went to war and won,10 % of the spoils of your war would go to the king
Maybe people believe is from the law because Jesus said that it was part of the law. Mat 23:23 this part of the law you should have done without neglecting the other part of the law
Does tithe not mean food that should be taken to church ,and given to poor.?
Was working in church with money made Jesus angry ,and threw the tables with the money on it.
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The tithe belongs unto the Lord exclusively: There are other offerings that may be available to support the church and its needs.
There are many biblical ways to understand why tithing is not for new covenant believers.
I will present few:
- The scripture says that what is not the product of faith is sin (Romans 14:23).
So when Pastors command believers to give 10% of their increase as a minimum, that would be difficult for many who already struggle to live with their income. Now when they substract 10% from it, they will face even more struggles. As a result, many of them will not give by faith, they might give by fear of being judge either by God or by the Church; the 10% rule will be a stumbling block to them. And Jesus said that woe to those who are stumbling block for his sheep. So it's dangerous to impose tithing!
What is done by faith is done with love because faith works through love (Galatians 5:6)
- The scriptures commands believers to not give grudgingly or even out of necessity (2 Corinthians 9:7), but to give cheerfully.
But since it's hard for many low income believers to live from the rest of their income, they will be tempted to tithe grudgingly.
Since we give according to our faith, everybody should not be imposed to give the same amount because everybody don't have the same faith. God loves a cheerful giver; not someone who gives a huge or specific amount, but someone who gives with a good heart. Because God looks at the heart first.
We can remember what Ananias and Saphira did. They gave a huge amount with a bad heart and they were condemned.
- Jesus told his apostles that freely they have been given, freely they should give. That's the principle under the new covenant, because we are called to live by grace; to love as Jesus loved us graciously.
Jesus was meaning that freely they had received the ministry, by grace, freely they should give the fruits of the ministry to people; graciously. That is contrary to what was done in the old testament. The Levites and priests were not ministering freely to the people. They were not exemplifying the grace of God. SO we cannot follow their example.
So the command to give freely as they have received freely that Jesus gave his apostles or leaders of his sheep is a new command that applies under the new covenant. Just like the new command of loving as he has loved us.
That's why pastors and leaders of the church should not impose believers to "pay" them with their tithes. That's an old testament principle.
Believers should support their religious leaders graciously, not out of a command. Giving what God has really put in their heart to give. And the leaders should receive any gift cheerfully. That's why Jesus and the apostle Paul told s to eat anything that s set before us (Luke 10:8, 1 Corinthians 10:27). It's a picture of how we we should not impose people what to give us when we minister to them, but we should let them give whatever they cheerfully want to give us.
@@eviejade6320 Yes usually it's coming from wealthy religious people. But there are also ignorant believers who are pressured into fear to propagate those false doctrines.
Yes tithing is required. 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 cites the model of tithes and offerings as commanded by the Lord for the gospel. Hebrews 7:9 proves that tithe is for all time, not just Mosaic law. It is for the Melchizedek priesthood which Christ now occupies.
@@AndrewsTitheReview It's so obvious to prove with the scriptures that the payment of tithes is not for new covenant believers. It's so obvious that if you can't prove it with scriptures, I doubt if you should be teaching scriptures.
According to the author of Hebrews Abraham didn't pay tithes to Melchisedec for those who are in Christ to continue to pay tithes. But it was on behalf of the Levites who were priests collecting the tithes of other Israelites and they were exempt from paying tithes.
And once there was a change in priesthood, there was also a necessity of a change of the law.
This is one of the justification the apostles give to keep people from observing the law of tithing under the new covenant.
Many of the religious leaders who ask believers to pay tithes today are broods of crooks. Some do it ignorantly, but many of them know this passage, but chose to keep believers ignorant and threaten and extort them with the old covenant command of paying tithes.
(read Hebrews 7: 1-12)