When I bought a Prazipress 120 (given the price and awaiting time) I thought I've exaggerated. Owned a Lyman, until that moment. Few years later, I still believe it's one of the best investments I've ever made.
G, I have the 140 heavy and love the results. I met the Turbans at the IWA last March, very nice guys. They also had a demo of their new progressive that uses Dillon parts. I just love their products, super high quality.
@@ryc3rz I don't think it's top secret since they allowed me to take pics, make a short vid and even sent me updated info and pics of it to share with other US reloaders. maybe G is referring to something else.
@@ryc3rz here are some basic information: - 5 stations fully usable - quick change headplate system - quick change shellholder system - all gliding surfaces hardened and finely machined - all moving parts are supported by industrial-grade bearings - compatible with DillonXL650 conversion kits and accesories - 7/8 -14 UNF thread in all headplate stations - compatible to Mark7 Autodrive
I'd like to see a comparative loading session with the low tech/low precision American "chevy" press using the same dies and giving runout results. Then a range session comparing the same loadings from both. Then we can see if the results/exclusive factor would be worth the price difference for ourselves. It'll never happen though.
Interesting press....at this point i'll stick to my MEC as it produces similar results. I agree that quality dies are a must along with good prep etiquette. Thank you for sharing.
Hi Gavin! Had the chance to inspect this press first hand. An absolute masterpiece of equipment! Im now the proud owner. As you say, its unlike anything else out there. Are you planning to get hands on with some high-end dies like the German Triebel dies anytime soon? Thanks for all the great work, keep em coming.
I wish RUclips had a translate button like Facebook has. It isn’t always perfect but it makes it where you can interact with foreign languages. I use it in a long range group I’m in.
Mr. Peter Kolovos, you dont have to apologize lol. For rifle ammo i like to use MAC Marksman press. And MEC press cost only $ 200 . Thanks for the information.
I did discover that the dust cover offered by Mec for their metallic reloader fits my 120 perfectly. The KMS^2 LED strip for the Forster Co-Ax fits too! Most my dies (Redding, Forster, Whidden, etc.) fit. I have discovered that my Redding 30-06 FL sizer would not screw in to the proper (i.e., useful) depth. This die was purchase 10-15 years ago. I purchased a new Redding die and it fits well. Last night I discovered my Redding 223 FL sizer could not be fitted "by hand" but with a modest amount of force from the Brownell's die tool I was in business. I am wondering about Thread Class mis-match
Can't wait to see the single stage lineup! So many people say that once you get a progressive press you'll never use single stage again...strongly disagree. I have both and 7yrs later I still love my Lee Classic Cast Breech Lock single stage...and I love my Lee Pro 1000. I just use the Pro 1000 for semi-auto pistol cartridges and single stage for rifle and large pistol (44mag and 45Colt).
finally something really great for the reloader... that we dont have to buy from overseas (which means wait for delivery, spare parts etc.) get some dies from TRIEBEL as well folks... they´re worth the money.. just like the präzipress ! ...greez from Austria !
At the bottom of the stroke, it appears to move the die and head assembly down. I thought that maybe this is merely compression on the mount or bench but upon additional viewing the die is moving. Please let me know what you think of this.
The flex is in the bench. At the bottom of the stroke the complete mount moves as the bench flexes. Check out Gavins other videos, you will see the bench flex with ALL of his presses. I changed my bench top to a 3/4 ply top with a 40mm solid oak kitcken worktop screwed to it. No movement under any pressure on any of my presses. I use a T-rail like Gavin's but the front rail is kept approx. 70mm back from the front edge of the bench. As solid as Thompsons Graving Dock. Regards. JP. Think I'm gonna have one of these.....
@@jp7233 I had to look again and yes it seems the mount plate is flexing. I didn't think I liked that mounting system he was using and that confirms why. But I don't change to different presses so I don't need anything like that.
Do you expect Inline or anyone else to offer the custom fastening hardware you fabricated? Would you consider publishing a sketch of what you built? I’m also one who will pay more for the right “feel” of a fine tool. I don’t expect others to understand, but even if it did have no impact on the finished product, the feel makes it more enjoyable to me. To each his own.
I'm very excited about your head to head testing with all these presses. I'm actually waiting to watch it before I go and buy my first kit. Big thumbs up!!
If you like this press, try dies from „Triebel Guntools“ in combination with it! You‘ll be amazed! But i‘ve to warn you, they’re also on the pricey side.
Really looking forward to the single stage review. It will be very informative. Perhaps there will also be a head to head comparison of some progressive presses in the near future.
Hello Gavin, A nice review of an obviously well designed tool. Your reservations about the Hornady Lock N Load bushings introducing an error are in my opinion, based on nearly twenty-five years of using them on several different calibers, is that they(your concerns) are unnecessary and misplaced. As I stated, these are my opinions, and no animals, other than woodchucks, coyotes, and prairie dogs were injured in this testing. I loaded around 3000 rounds of 22-250 for three rifles, that will all produce 1/4” or better five shot groups @ 100 yds. from Pac-Nor barrels. Another rifle in 25-06 AI will produce.3-.5” groups until the barrel needs to be set back. One of the miss placed concerns is any radial movement of the press ram, or dies. It is easier to allow some radial movement, to allow the case and bullet to find their common center axis. If you go to any sanctioned national best rest competition (talk about picky), and you will see a large percentage of top tier competitors using the arbor press type die set up in order to get the best case bullet alignment possible. During a conversation with Todd Kindler at one of the Super Shoots, he mentioned placing a thin o-ring under the die lock ring to achieve the same benefits.
I've gotten less bullet runout than this using a Lee Breechlock Challenger with either a Lee seating die or a Forster seating die (the same one that Gavin has in this video). Measuring with the same tool after seating 140gr ELD-M I barely saw the needle move from 0, the "worst" result was about 0.0015. I'm not meaning for this to sound negative- from what I can tell I'm sure this press is excellent. The build quality looks great! I just feel that having great reloading technique and practice goes a lot further than any press will. :)
FWIW, the standard Prazi Press, as in the base press, has MORE than enough room to service a .338 Lapua(300 grain bullet weight/length) cartridge. I've owned my Prazi for two years and cannot think of a better press. I have had a friend, who works within the industry, to say that it was "aero space quality"... FWIW & IME...
Great press if you can afford or justify it. I have owned about every common press you can name over 50 years of reloading including 8 Dillons at one time. In my twilight years I am using a Co-Ax and it does just fine. P.S. I had a '72 280 SE when I lived in Germany. The last of the actual hand built cars and engines from Mercedes. One of the best cars I ever owned.
Do you still,load with your PraziPress? Have you compared it to the Area 419 press? What is the accepted point of contact on the bullet for measuring concentricity? Close to the case neck or further away?
Is it just me or was the die moving up and down during sizing? If yes is there some free float built into the design or is something else at play here?
gavintoobe Yes, that will be a challenge. I’m so looking forward to this study of yours. You are doing a great service with your channel! Thanks for all you do. It helps the rest of us to make decisions that are more wise.
german 1- "so how much do we sell the press for?" german 2- "I dont know. just pick something ridiculous, but be sure to put 'german engineering' on the box. it works for the finicky cars we sell" haha
This is way better than the forster co ax press. I am getting +or- 3-4 on my sizing or headspace. As for runout on Conictricaty I dont know , I dont have a Conictricaty gauge.
I just came across LE Wilson’s website and they are coming up with their copy of this press and it doesn’t seem like it has been released yet. Would love to see if you can get your hands on and do a review
I can't wait for the single press combined test, since I'm about to add a single precision press. I'd love to spring "für die Präzipress", but I'm not sure the shooter/re-loader over here can rack the benefits to justify the cost.
I had a 1982 Mercedes 200D, so I understand your analogy very well. However, spending $1,000 on a single-stage reloading press would be absolutely crazy. One thing that would definitely happen is my wife kicking me out of the house. I usually make questionable choices with my money, but this would be beyond ridiculous. There are U.S.-made presses in the $200 to $400 range that can do 99.9% of what this one does.
I did own a German car and had often electric problems expensive to fix transmission was leaking, and got raid of it at 82,000k and bought a Focus station Wagon and I did spent way less money on that car in 225,000k and the car was 1/2 the price and I still drive that car to this day
Not sure how easy to mount the turban press on the reloading bench directly instead of inline fabrication platform. Do the mounting holes at unusual location and in different size comparing to other mainstream brands like Hornady, RCBS, Lee etc.?
I live in an apartment. So, I use a Lee hand press and Hornady dies. I also have some L.E. Wilson hand dies an a arbor press. Anyway you don't need $1000.00 in reloading gear to pump out some accurate rounds.
How about priming the empty cases you will have to c-clamp the top plate down to seat the primer, or is there a hand prime tool that come with the Mercedes ......
Single stage press, I'd like to know what you paid for it. I did work on an RCBS Rock chucker years ago on my very first Centerfire rifle which was a Ruger Model 77 and 7 mm mag that I purchased in 1979. I would neck size only, because I was told to buy a benchrest shooter. A man who had held the 200-yard record for some years. And when I took it to the range I fired the first and then we spend that cartridge nine rounds to sight in the scope. Then I fired a 20 shot group into a group the center to Center spread was 049 in. The man sitting next to me at the bench had a 22-250 benchrest rifle and he said he had never seen a group like that in his life and he asked me where the rest of the groups were that I had shot. I told him that's all 20 rounds and he was utterly flabbergasted. It was a heck of a lot of round to shoot at a bench. But it was 140 grain Spire point with I believe, if memory serves me correctly it was 47 or 49 grains of 4350. At the time I remember that it was three range over the top load in any of the books that I had. But that's the load that this man gave me. It was also the slowest powder I think that was available at the time. But it shot superbly. And that's with an RCBS Rock chucker press. And it was more than Precision enough to put together ammo that shot out of this really spent Lee Barrel I had on that Ruger. It left me with a rifle that I can literally shoot flies with at 100 yards. The interesting thing about it is it would shoot the Sierra bullets as tightly as it would the Hornady bullets with a completely different ogive. That surprised the hell out of me. I ended up selling that rifle to a man who is really looking for a 7 mm mag. And I had every Target I had shot with it over the previous five years and I had still fired it less than 100 rounds total. I gave 20 rounds of ammo that I had loaded. And I gave him all of the load data never. It was a superlative rifle but it would beat the living tar out of you at the bench. I would fire it I would open the bowl and I would let it sit there for about 15 to 20 seconds and then I would close the bolt on the next round take my physician fire it and I will open the bolt and let it sit there for another 15 to 20 seconds. I've never had a rifle shoot that tight except for a Galil I fired at Selfridge Air National Guard base that was a full auto 308 with a carbine length barrel and a folding stock that fired a half inch group with iron sights. That's the only firearm I've ever fired that came close to that rifle. Good luck with the Press. But remember that that 6.5 Creedmoor has a tighter chamber than most rifles. That's how they've been able to take the next step up in precision rifle shooting. If my recent purchase of a medium-weight barrel Ruger Model 77 in 308 it shoots anywhere close to as nice as that 7 mil mag did, I will be a happy camper.
Summary of comment section: Prazipress, wah too expensive! Schmidt and bender PM2, wah too expensive! Accuracy international action, wah too expensive! Kreiger barrels, wah too expensive! Lapua brass, wah too expensive! Atlas bipod, wah too expensive! Berger bullets, wah too expensive! ecetera ecetera ad nauseum. Basic economics people, small batch and high precision equals much more money. Mass produced and low precision equals less money.
It looks like the went the opposite direction of a free floating press design. I have to wonder if the results have any bearing on the range and at what distances you see diminishing returns.
Yes, locked down rather than floating- kind of like the "floating reamer holder" -vs- precision lathe without float for reamer when cutting a rifle chamber!
@@Ultimatereloader - There has to be a matrix to solve the cost of dies, cost of press, cost of gun, cost of press, distance shot vs group size question... I think the reality is we live in a time where we have to choose the right golf club in shooting / hand loading sports. It is not which equipment is best... it is what do I want to do ? It is a great time to be into this form of recreation.
Hey Gavin , in your opinion if you had to choose one over the other would you pick the German unit or the area 419 zero unit ? Looking to purchase one , and respect your opinion.. Thanks let me know please 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I want an ultramount plate for the 140mm before I buy. I can't manufacture one of my own. That plate would also have to be EXTRA beefy, so it wasn't introducing any wobble at the top of the stroke.
@@Ultimatereloader I sent him an email this morning, he will probably reach out to you. Refer to me, my name is Lox. Interested if there is a different bolt pattern for all three or if we can use yours as a template.
What is the significance of bullet runout, and how exactly is that a function of the press and not the die? I’ve always done 3 presses while seating bullets, but that’s more to get consistent COL rather than for runout. Always chalked up inconsistencies in COL as being from the slop in the shell holder and how the bullet was sitting in it rather than the press
Sorry, but military cases are not the right material for reloading precison ammo. Military ammo is not precisely build, the cases have relatively great production tolerences. This Ammonition is build mostly for function in all weapons and must be cheap, precision is a minor factor. My buddie tried al lot with this cases, he wasnt ever happy with this stuff.
@@schwellenzaehler4587 True that. My point is that most military 7.62 ammo is fired in full automatic weapons that have large chambers. The cases take a considerable amount of force to size. Gauging them after sizing for exterior size consistency would be enlightening.
Greatings from good old Germany - YES - I like it - It was always more expensive to have a special taste. It's really expensive but - what ist expensive ;-)
I can’t find my comment to reply on but I don’t think it’s the QC plate. I have an inline QC and it doesn’t move like that I’d be curious to see how it performed if the ultramount was lagged in to joists below the bench top.
When I bought a Prazipress 120 (given the price and awaiting time) I thought I've exaggerated. Owned a Lyman, until that moment. Few years later, I still believe it's one of the best investments I've ever made.
I bought this press based on Gavin's review, agree with his assessment, very difficult to fault the Prazipress
Where did you buy it?
This is the only high quality video I've been able to find on this press since you teased it in an earlier video.
I wish I could show people this press in person- the video and pictures don't quite give you the full experience! :)
@@Ultimatereloader I can imagine. It looks amazing. I feel like I don't even have a gun that would benefit from reloading with such precision.
G, I have the 140 heavy and love the results. I met the Turbans at the IWA last March, very nice guys. They also had a demo of their new progressive that uses Dillon parts. I just love their products, super high quality.
Progressive? Wow... so that's probably that "top secret" thing Gavin was talking about. can't wait to see it.
Can you say a bit more about this progressive? Was it more like XL650 or more like 1050?
@@ryc3rz I don't think it's top secret since they allowed me to take pics, make a short vid and even sent me updated info and pics of it to share with other US reloaders. maybe G is referring to something else.
@@ryc3rz here are some basic information:
- 5 stations fully usable
- quick change headplate system
- quick change shellholder system
- all gliding surfaces hardened and finely machined
- all moving parts are supported by industrial-grade bearings
- compatible with DillonXL650 conversion kits and accesories
- 7/8 -14 UNF thread in all headplate stations
- compatible to Mark7 Autodrive
Wow! What a masterpiece of engineering. Thanks for showing it off.
I really appreciate the time you take to review and upload. Can't wait for the 14 press review!
What the hell did you do to your drill chuck? That thing's got it's own orbit.
I went straight to comments to see if someone else picked tht up😆 He needs to give it a good wack from the bottum upwards😮😮
I’d like to know too.
its a swivel chuck
Haha! Searched comments for "wobble." Should have used "orbit."
Wow very nice press, German quality has always been great, nice demo on a super press.
So I told my wife it's cheaper than a Nightforrce scope and I'd be saving money.......it didn't go well.
Haha
Lol that just made me tear up...
hahaha!!!
Worthy effort!
Orygun9mm never tell wives what anything related to ballistics or arms costs. It’s is in areas they are able to comprehend.
I'd like to see a comparative loading session with the low tech/low precision American "chevy" press using the same dies and giving runout results. Then a range session comparing the same loadings from both.
Then we can see if the results/exclusive factor would be worth the price difference for ourselves.
It'll never happen though.
Watch the 14 press shootout, should give you the information you were looking for.
Engineer, Machinist, and reloading freak-- Gavin is THE MAN.
Interesting press....at this point i'll stick to my MEC as it produces similar results. I agree that quality dies are a must along with good prep etiquette. Thank you for sharing.
Impressive results to say the least!
Looking forward to the other videos with this press.
I would also look forward for more videos, but his one and only video is already 4 years old 😕
Hi! You need to stiffen top plate or fundament(or both) on your bench. Can see the press dipping on bench👌
Definitely an awesome press indeed! Can't wait to see it in your lineup coming soon!
"Look how large the diameter of this thing....I like smooth knobs personally I find that they have the least amount of chaffing...."
haha
Hi Gavin! Had the chance to inspect this press first hand. An absolute masterpiece of equipment! Im now the proud owner. As you say, its unlike anything else out there. Are you planning to get hands on with some high-end dies like the German Triebel dies anytime soon? Thanks for all the great work, keep em coming.
Love learning new stuff. Always have respected German manufacturing.
Richtig! Wir können nur Qualitativ hochwertig.
I wish RUclips had a translate button like Facebook has. It isn’t always perfect but it makes it where you can interact with foreign languages. I use it in a long range group I’m in.
Jörg Reusch ja. Deswegen gibts ja so
Viele pfusch am bau videos...
@@halfdollar86 he said "Right on bro! This is a quality bitchin press, us Germans know about building cool stuff!!! "
Ironbomb thanks
when you said 120mm reloading press i thought it would load 120mm shells.
Mr. Peter Kolovos, you dont have to apologize lol. For rifle ammo i like to use MAC Marksman press. And MEC press cost only $ 200 . Thanks for the information.
I did discover that the dust cover offered by Mec for their metallic reloader fits my 120 perfectly. The KMS^2 LED strip for the Forster Co-Ax fits too!
Most my dies (Redding, Forster, Whidden, etc.) fit. I have discovered that my Redding 30-06 FL sizer would not screw in to the proper (i.e., useful) depth. This die was purchase 10-15 years ago. I purchased a new Redding die and it fits well. Last night I discovered my Redding 223 FL sizer could not be fitted "by hand" but with a modest amount of force from the Brownell's die tool I was in business. I am wondering about Thread Class mis-match
My wife said, "you don't need that, and there's no way you'll win it anyway". We can't let her win.
Wives like that are easy to nail
Cam over on the next level.
Can't wait to see the single stage lineup! So many people say that once you get a progressive press you'll never use single stage again...strongly disagree. I have both and 7yrs later I still love my Lee Classic Cast Breech Lock single stage...and I love my Lee Pro 1000. I just use the Pro 1000 for semi-auto pistol cartridges and single stage for rifle and large pistol (44mag and 45Colt).
finally something really great for the reloader... that we dont have to buy from overseas (which means wait for delivery, spare parts etc.) get some dies from TRIEBEL as well folks... they´re worth the money.. just like the präzipress ! ...greez from Austria !
just got my präzipress 150 today - veryyyyyyy nice
how long did it take in late 2023 ??? from order to your door step
@@wjdell4650 i ordered it at a shop nearby
At the bottom of the stroke, it appears to move the die and head assembly down. I thought that maybe this is merely compression on the mount or bench but upon additional viewing the die is moving. Please let me know what you think of this.
The flex is in the bench. At the bottom of the stroke the complete mount moves as the bench flexes. Check out Gavins other videos, you will see the bench flex with ALL of his presses. I changed my bench top to a 3/4 ply top with a 40mm solid oak kitcken worktop screwed to it. No movement under any pressure on any of my presses. I use a T-rail like Gavin's but the front rail is kept approx. 70mm back from the front edge of the bench. As solid as Thompsons Graving Dock. Regards. JP. Think I'm gonna have one of these.....
Yes I've seen his bench flex a bit. I had to brace my LLM with a steel tube to the floor.
@@jp7233 I had to look again and yes it seems the mount plate is flexing. I didn't think I liked that mounting system he was using and that confirms why. But I don't change to different presses so I don't need anything like that.
Do you expect Inline or anyone else to offer the custom fastening hardware you fabricated? Would you consider publishing a sketch of what you built?
I’m also one who will pay more for the right “feel” of a fine tool. I don’t expect others to understand, but even if it did have no impact on the finished product, the feel makes it more enjoyable to me. To each his own.
Great review! Thanks a lot and thumbs up!
I love the enthusiasm!!!
can't wait to see show down
[Clint Eastwood music in background]
I'm very excited about your head to head testing with all these presses. I'm actually waiting to watch it before I go and buy my first kit. Big thumbs up!!
I tried to buy the140mm last night for bmg but could not decipher how to pay. It kept asking for my bank account number. How about visa?
Not sure if you noticed, but there's a substantial amount of runout in your mill chuck. Might want to look into that.
Yes, I did notice that- the outside wobbles, but the bits run true when chucked up- a cheap import I'll upgrade before too long! :)
The numbers on the necks could be from the case thickness variations unless you turned the necks
If you like this press, try dies from „Triebel Guntools“ in combination with it! You‘ll be amazed! But i‘ve to warn you, they’re also on the pricey side.
I'm hoping to! Thomas Turban was telling me about them!
Really looking forward to the single stage review. It will be very informative. Perhaps there will also be a head to head comparison of some progressive presses in the near future.
Yes, I do plan to do the progressives as well, hopefully this year...
That's great news. I would like to get one this year.
Amazing press. I cant wait for your single stage shootout.
Fun manufacturing fact: Metric cap screws have a 90° included angle countersink while unified national inch have an 82° included angle countersink.
Yes, figured that out when I machined the countersink adapter nuts :)
Hello Gavin,
A nice review of an obviously well designed tool. Your reservations about the Hornady Lock N Load bushings introducing an error are in my opinion, based on nearly twenty-five years of using them on several different calibers, is that they(your concerns) are unnecessary and misplaced. As I stated, these are my opinions, and no animals, other than woodchucks, coyotes, and prairie dogs were injured in this testing. I loaded around 3000 rounds of 22-250 for three rifles, that will all produce 1/4” or better five shot groups @ 100 yds. from Pac-Nor barrels. Another rifle in 25-06 AI will produce.3-.5” groups until the barrel needs to be set back. One of the miss placed concerns is any radial movement of the press ram, or dies. It is easier to allow some radial movement, to allow the case and bullet to find their common center axis. If you go to any sanctioned national best rest competition (talk about picky), and you will see a large percentage of top tier competitors using the arbor press type die set up in order to get the best case bullet alignment possible. During a conversation with Todd Kindler at one of the Super Shoots, he mentioned placing a thin o-ring under the die lock ring to achieve the same benefits.
I've gotten less bullet runout than this using a Lee Breechlock Challenger with either a Lee seating die or a Forster seating die (the same one that Gavin has in this video). Measuring with the same tool after seating 140gr ELD-M I barely saw the needle move from 0, the "worst" result was about 0.0015. I'm not meaning for this to sound negative- from what I can tell I'm sure this press is excellent. The build quality looks great! I just feel that having great reloading technique and practice goes a lot further than any press will. :)
Great results Kyle!
Wow that is impressive!!! I WANT ONE!!! Nice intro guy!!
FWIW, the standard Prazi Press, as in the base press, has MORE than enough room to service a .338 Lapua(300 grain bullet weight/length) cartridge. I've owned my Prazi for two years and cannot think of a better press. I have had a friend, who works within the industry, to say that it was "aero space quality"... FWIW & IME...
You had me at linear ball bearings!
Thx for the effort on the review
Great press if you can afford or justify it. I have owned about every common press you can name over 50 years of reloading including 8 Dillons at one time. In my twilight years I am using a Co-Ax and it does just fine. P.S. I had a '72 280 SE when I lived in Germany. The last of the actual hand built cars and engines from Mercedes. One of the best cars I ever owned.
I sometimes when I have runout over 2 thou I’ll run my ammo back through the seating die and turn the case and do it again and it really helps.
Interesting...
gavintoobe give it a try. It helps a lot.
Do you still,load with your PraziPress? Have you compared it to the Area 419 press? What is the accepted point of contact on the bullet for measuring concentricity? Close to the case neck or further away?
You might want to check concentricity on that milling chuck, wobbles like crazy.
Yes, that chuck is kind of a piece of crap (I did not get it from Precision Matthews :) ).
Some will complain about the price..but things like this will cause some design changes in cheaper presses...even lead to maybe a new design.
For this price, better buy a dillon 650 with case feeder. But the Turban press is amazing.
Fabio Santos
I get 1 MOA from my 650, but for the sub-MOA one hole stuff, I use a single stage.
For the price of apples, I'll stick with oranges
Sorry, but you don't reload precision rifle ammo on a Dillon.
@@peterkolovos3079 Gavin says you use a powder thrower to do it. ;)
Yeah, I laughed good at that one too.
Peter Kolovos US Army Marksmanship Unit has single stage and progressive presses of all kinds making precision ammo.
"I like smooth knobs" ~Gavin 2019
"least amount of chafing" stop it, I'm dying!
Haha! Keep your mind out of the gutter :)
@@Ultimatereloader my mind is right where it belongs
Would like to see you review the 105 mm press.
I'm guessing the RCBS shell holders had no issue popping into place?
Is it just me or was the die moving up and down during sizing? If yes is there some free float built into the design or is something else at play here?
It's the quick change mount, look at the front edge (11:40), it moves the same amount.
@@f1rezs I don't think that is a quick change mount. It looks like it threads in the same as the bushing on a Rock Chucker would.
No, I mean the quick change top/table mount. The die and adapter are threads, no way to have noticable axial movement here.
@@f1rezs I see what you mean now. I looked before but didn't notice it. Nice catch.
Great looking press. Good video
Very interesting! Thanks for the review!!
Germans don't mess around! great evaluation.
Is it more precise to measure the run out so close to the end of the cartridge on the concentricity tool?
This is not for newbies like me. Very nice.
You're right I want one!
Looking forward to big single stage press review. You mention measuring ram wobble. Looking forward to how you will be doing this. Thanks!
Yeah, especially on aluminum frame presses where you can't easily use a magnetic indicator holder :)
gavintoobe
Yes, that will be a challenge. I’m so looking forward to this study of yours. You are doing a great service with your channel! Thanks for all you do. It helps the rest of us to make decisions that are more wise.
I think the mec press is just as good . Plus you save a lot of money . Put this press side by side with the mec and see what results you get .
I did. Please see the 14 press shootout!
german 1- "so how much do we sell the press for?"
german 2- "I dont know. just pick something ridiculous, but be sure to put 'german engineering' on the box. it works for the finicky cars we sell"
haha
This is way better than the forster co ax press. I am getting +or- 3-4 on my sizing or headspace. As for runout on Conictricaty I dont know , I dont have a Conictricaty gauge.
I just came across LE Wilson’s website and they are coming up with their copy of this press and it doesn’t seem like it has been released yet. Would love to see if you can get your hands on and do a review
While those are excellent runout values, should have done one more test "case runout", but it probably would'v been excellent also!
Das ist gut ! German made !
I can't wait for the single press combined test, since I'm about to add a single precision press. I'd love to spring "für die Präzipress", but I'm not sure the shooter/re-loader over here can rack the benefits to justify the cost.
I had a 1982 Mercedes 200D, so I understand your analogy very well. However, spending $1,000 on a single-stage reloading press would be absolutely crazy. One thing that would definitely happen is my wife kicking me out of the house. I usually make questionable choices with my money, but this would be beyond ridiculous. There are U.S.-made presses in the $200 to $400 range that can do 99.9% of what this one does.
Does Prazi have a smaller press and with lower cost ? For pistol and decapping....
Absolutely amazing.
Very interesting press, it would be interesting to see how the performance of the Präzipress press compares to arbor presses/dies.
My Leica and my H&K approve.
Glad I checked the comments below and found-out the price. Not even worth the time to watch the video, now.
I did own a German car and had often electric problems expensive to fix transmission was leaking, and got raid of it at 82,000k and bought a Focus station Wagon and I did spent way less money on that car in 225,000k and the car was 1/2 the price and I still drive that car to this day
Not sure how easy to mount the turban press on the reloading bench directly instead of inline fabrication platform. Do the mounting holes at unusual location and in different size comparing to other mainstream brands like Hornady, RCBS, Lee etc.?
How do you even know if you bumped the shoulder? You didn’t measure prior to sizing...
Shoulder bump was measured at -0.0015"
I live in an apartment. So, I use a Lee hand press and Hornady dies. I also have some L.E. Wilson hand dies an a arbor press. Anyway you don't need $1000.00 in reloading gear to pump out some accurate rounds.
How about priming the empty cases you will have to c-clamp the top plate down to seat the primer, or is there a hand prime tool that come with the Mercedes ......
Don't you think the run-out is mostly because of the Forster? I get same result with my old rock chucker.
Single stage press, I'd like to know what you paid for it. I did work on an RCBS Rock chucker years ago on my very first Centerfire rifle which was a Ruger Model 77 and 7 mm mag that I purchased in 1979. I would neck size only, because I was told to buy a benchrest shooter. A man who had held the 200-yard record for some years. And when I took it to the range I fired the first and then we spend that cartridge nine rounds to sight in the scope. Then I fired a 20 shot group into a group the center to Center spread was 049 in. The man sitting next to me at the bench had a 22-250 benchrest rifle and he said he had never seen a group like that in his life and he asked me where the rest of the groups were that I had shot. I told him that's all 20 rounds and he was utterly flabbergasted. It was a heck of a lot of round to shoot at a bench. But it was 140 grain Spire point with I believe, if memory serves me correctly it was 47 or 49 grains of 4350. At the time I remember that it was three range over the top load in any of the books that I had. But that's the load that this man gave me. It was also the slowest powder I think that was available at the time. But it shot superbly. And that's with an RCBS Rock chucker press. And it was more than Precision enough to put together ammo that shot out of this really spent Lee Barrel I had on that Ruger. It left me with a rifle that I can literally shoot flies with at 100 yards. The interesting thing about it is it would shoot the Sierra bullets as tightly as it would the Hornady bullets with a completely different ogive. That surprised the hell out of me. I ended up selling that rifle to a man who is really looking for a 7 mm mag. And I had every Target I had shot with it over the previous five years and I had still fired it less than 100 rounds total. I gave 20 rounds of ammo that I had loaded. And I gave him all of the load data never. It was a superlative rifle but it would beat the living tar out of you at the bench. I would fire it I would open the bowl and I would let it sit there for about 15 to 20 seconds and then I would close the bolt on the next round take my physician fire it and I will open the bolt and let it sit there for another 15 to 20 seconds. I've never had a rifle shoot that tight except for a Galil I fired at Selfridge Air National Guard base that was a full auto 308 with a carbine length barrel and a folding stock that fired a half inch group with iron sights. That's the only firearm I've ever fired that came close to that rifle. Good luck with the Press. But remember that that 6.5 Creedmoor has a tighter chamber than most rifles. That's how they've been able to take the next step up in precision rifle shooting.
If my recent purchase of a medium-weight barrel Ruger Model 77 in 308 it shoots anywhere close to as nice as that 7 mil mag did, I will be a happy camper.
Summary of comment section:
Prazipress, wah too expensive!
Schmidt and bender PM2, wah too expensive!
Accuracy international action, wah too expensive!
Kreiger barrels, wah too expensive!
Lapua brass, wah too expensive!
Atlas bipod, wah too expensive!
Berger bullets, wah too expensive!
ecetera ecetera ad nauseum.
Basic economics people, small batch and high precision equals much more money. Mass produced and low precision equals less money.
Your comment, wah, too precious!
Only ‘black or white’ are fallacies, have always been. But this does appear to be the machinists’ better press.
Clearly Gavin has been a successful engineer. I should've partied less in college.
You forgot AMP annealer, wha too expensive, lol, I now will have to upgrade to a prazipress 🙄
Gavin, how does the Prazipress compare to the Talon?
It looks like the went the opposite direction of a free floating press design.
I have to wonder if the results have any bearing on the range and at what distances you see diminishing returns.
Yes, locked down rather than floating- kind of like the "floating reamer holder" -vs- precision lathe without float for reamer when cutting a rifle chamber!
@@Ultimatereloader - There has to be a matrix to solve the cost of dies, cost of press, cost of gun, cost of press, distance shot vs group size question...
I think the reality is we live in a time where we have to choose the right golf club in shooting / hand loading sports.
It is not which equipment is best... it is what do I want to do ?
It is a great time to be into this form of recreation.
Gavin which do you like better this press or the zero press from Area 419
Hey Gavin , in your opinion if you had to choose one over the other would you pick the German unit or the area 419 zero unit ? Looking to purchase one , and respect your opinion.. Thanks let me know please 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
It's German - nothing but the best engineering!!!
How does this press compare to the old but huge Rock Crusher press ?
I like geeking out with you on your channel. 🤪👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks, glad to have you as a subscriber!
I want an ultramount plate for the 140mm before I buy. I can't manufacture one of my own. That plate would also have to be EXTRA beefy, so it wasn't introducing any wobble at the top of the stroke.
Checking with Dan from Inline Fabrication! :)
@@Ultimatereloader I sent him an email this morning, he will probably reach out to you. Refer to me, my name is Lox. Interested if there is a different bolt pattern for all three or if we can use yours as a template.
Bad ass workshop you have there, maybe a short video on your gear and what you do with it would be sweet ;)
What is the significance of bullet runout, and how exactly is that a function of the press and not the die?
I’ve always done 3 presses while seating bullets, but that’s more to get consistent COL rather than for runout. Always chalked up inconsistencies in COL as being from the slop in the shell holder and how the bullet was sitting in it rather than the press
I have the PM 935 TV . It's a great mill with a small footprint. What's up will your drill chuck ? Lotta runout there... or wasn't seated fully ???
Nothing tells a woman you love her more than a nice new press with awesome leverage!
How about sizing military sourced once fired 7.62 NATO? That would tell us more about sizing consistency.
Sorry, but military cases are not the right material for reloading precison ammo.
Military ammo is not precisely build, the cases have relatively great production tolerences.
This Ammonition is build mostly for function in all weapons and must be cheap, precision is a minor factor.
My buddie tried al lot with this cases, he wasnt ever happy with this stuff.
@@schwellenzaehler4587 True that. My point is that most military 7.62 ammo is fired in full automatic weapons that have large chambers. The cases take a considerable amount of force to size. Gauging them after sizing for exterior size consistency would be enlightening.
Greatings from good old Germany - YES - I like it - It was always more expensive to have a special taste. It's really expensive but - what ist expensive ;-)
Compared to the Co-ax? Same concept on press design.
How are they the same concept? Other than they push a case up into a die
I can’t find my comment to reply on but I don’t think it’s the QC plate. I have an inline QC and it doesn’t move like that I’d be curious to see how it performed if the ultramount was lagged in to joists below the bench top.
Didn't know it was so complicated to set up. Good thing you had machining tools to set the press.