@UndreamingCorruption Definitely not as efficient as the Miconic. The acceleration and deceleration is slightly sluggish. It's a good lift, but the Miconic is just the best.
@UndreamingCorruption It depends on what Miconic you're looking at. Miconic just stands for the control system, but you also have the drive system to actually move the lift, thats the key factor that makes Miconic efficient in terms of travel time. Starting from simple 2 speed AC, 2 speed AC with eddy current brake, thyristor, ACVF the list goes on. I try to keep it short, but every of these drive systems has many disadvantages and advantages which I won't cover all here, the mentioned drive systems before ACVF are the older ones that probably make the good Image of Miconic to every lift enthusiast, fast and efficient but on the other side these technologies are incredibly energy inefficient to todays standards. That's why the newer Miconics use more energy efficient ACVF drives which make the ride smoother. Schindler often already sets the acceleration very high and often you will realize that an old and new Miconic are almost the same in travel time. As modern Miconic controllers pre-energize the motor when the doors close, which saves a lot of time. Btw the controller featured in this Video also falls into Schindlers Miconic term as Miconic simply stands for microprocessor electronics, it makes more sense in the German abbreviation.
I am honestly not 100% sure. My first guess was that the 5500 just uses the older CO-MX controller and the newer 5000 and 6000 use the SC1, but it is not that simple. I came across an installation of new lifts with SC1 and because they were still under construction, there were assembly manuals for a 5500 lift car on site. From Schindler's website the 5000 goes up to 2m/s and the 6000 goes up to 3m/s. Controller wise, all models nowadays should use the SC1, even the smaller 3000 (though that one uses the 3300 machine aka FMB130). Maybe there was a transition phase, where the last 5500s were built using the new controller right before being discontinued for the European market and the lifts here as well as the ones I mentioned above are exactly from this period of time.
SC1, CO-MX and MX-GC are basically all the same controller family, just newer iterations. They behave the same and there is no 100% safe way of telling them apart from outside. Of course the car top boxes and inspection controls are different on each one of them, so that also gives away the controller type. The fixtures can be an indicator to what it is, but again there is no certainty here. FI MXB or MXV point most certainly to MX-GC. But they were also used with BX / Bionic, though this can easily be detected due to the different sound coming from the Vacon drive and the really slow control flow of, well, everything. Newer fixtures like FI GS or just any generic Schaefer COP are mostly paired with the CO-MX or now the SC1. However, mods of MX-GC lifts exist where only the fixtures have been updated but the controller is still MX-GC. Drive sound is another important indicator. The characteristic Variodyn VFxxBR (with xx = 22, 33, 44, and so on) sound always hints towards an older installation, either CO-MX or MX-GC controller. The new SC1 comes with the newer DR-VAF drives, which can recuperate electricity back into the grid, also these drives are a lot quieter (example is this video here). So to summarize: FI-MXB is most likely an MX-GC if BX can be ruled out. FI-GS or other more modern fixtures are most likely CO-MX if old Variodyn sound is present and SC1 if there's no classic sound. Also look at the dates of course, SC1 is ~2021 and newer, CO-MX is ~2015 - 2021 and MX-GC is everything before that (as long as the controller hasn't been replaced at some point).
Dankesehr! Nein, der Schachtkopf war schon immer so, denn die alten anlagen fuhren ja auch schon 2m/s (siehe Geschichte der Anlagen in der Beschreibung). Der hohe Schachtkopf beherbergte früher das Rollengerüst mit den Umlenkrollen, da der Antrieb ja im Keller war. Die wurden aber im Rahmen des Ersatzes herausgeschnitten.
Von der Typenbauart sind die beiden gleich da die von der Firma Wittur kommen, haben innen-mit-rotierende Zentrifugalgewichte die dieses "Klappergeräusch" machen.
Fixture and indicator design is a customer's choice and if the customer wants Schaefer, they'll get Schaefer. What indicator looks "fake"? These are just generic Schaefer dot matrix displays and the one in the COP is installed behind a custom Schindler frosted glass plate. Literally one of the most common configurations nowadays.
Ich frage mich oft, wieso Schindler nicht ihre eigenen Fixtures installieren will und ohne Not irgendwelche billig wirkenden Schaefer oder DMG buttons einbaut, ob bei Neuanlagen oder Modernisierungen..... Kone macht sowas äusserst selten
Die heutigen, Schindler-eigenen Fixtures werden ja con DMG produziert, also die FI-GS. Aber grundsätzlich ist das einfach Kundenwunsch und da kann Schindler nicht viel machen. Sprich es gibt dann halt FI-GS oder Schaefer MT42 oder RT42 zur Auswahl und wenn der Kunde dann Schaefer will, dann ist das halt so. Was ich persönlich schade finde ist, dass Schindler kein BS Tableau im Angebot hat. BS stellt heutzutage meiner Meinung nach die besten frei erhältlichen Knöpfe her.
Hey, I also saw a similar Schindler on my gran's, but it's the 3000 model Edit: is there any way to modify the software speed limit? Currently it's max speed is 1.1m/s
The 3000 should also use the SC1 controller like the ones here. If the lift is built for 1m/s (which I assume due to your mentioned 1.1m/s limit) it should also only operate at that speed. OSG will trip somewhere between 1.3 and 1.4m/s and going near that speed will cause you trouble! (aka jump once and Schindler will have to rescue you out of the lift) The controllers get the nominal speed set in the factory and the only option to change it is through Schindler's software. The one needed for the newest controllers has not been leaked and the controller will completely disable if you try connecting with an older version - so just leave it. You will most certainly brick it and that would get expensive.
The Door makes a cool Sound! 😂👍
Schöne Anlagen, gute Steuerung.
Dankesehr!
Platzsparende Anordnung der Motoren. Laute Türöffnung. Gute Aufnahmen!
Dankesehr!
Is there even a difference between 5500, 5000 and 6000? I’ve noticed the new Schindlers have a new doorbell chime and have beeping door controls.
Yes, on the model 5000, there is a new board controller known as 'Scalable', it is said that it's as efficient as a Miconic
@UndreamingCorruption Definitely not as efficient as the Miconic. The acceleration and deceleration is slightly sluggish. It's a good lift, but the Miconic is just the best.
@@mushroomcraft yeah, not exactly but its slightly worse than the miconic, unless they update the software
@UndreamingCorruption It depends on what Miconic you're looking at. Miconic just stands for the control system, but you also have the drive system to actually move the lift, thats the key factor that makes Miconic efficient in terms of travel time. Starting from simple 2 speed AC, 2 speed AC with eddy current brake, thyristor, ACVF the list goes on.
I try to keep it short, but every of these drive systems has many disadvantages and advantages which I won't cover all here, the mentioned drive systems before ACVF are the older ones that probably make the good Image of Miconic to every lift enthusiast, fast and efficient but on the other side these technologies are incredibly energy inefficient to todays standards. That's why the newer Miconics use more energy efficient ACVF drives which make the ride smoother. Schindler often already sets the acceleration very high and often you will realize that an old and new Miconic are almost the same in travel time. As modern Miconic controllers pre-energize the motor when the doors close, which saves a lot of time.
Btw the controller featured in this Video also falls into Schindlers Miconic term as Miconic simply stands for microprocessor electronics, it makes more sense in the German abbreviation.
I am honestly not 100% sure. My first guess was that the 5500 just uses the older CO-MX controller and the newer 5000 and 6000 use the SC1, but it is not that simple. I came across an installation of new lifts with SC1 and because they were still under construction, there were assembly manuals for a 5500 lift car on site. From Schindler's website the 5000 goes up to 2m/s and the 6000 goes up to 3m/s. Controller wise, all models nowadays should use the SC1, even the smaller 3000 (though that one uses the 3300 machine aka FMB130). Maybe there was a transition phase, where the last 5500s were built using the new controller right before being discontinued for the European market and the lifts here as well as the ones I mentioned above are exactly from this period of time.
have you identified any ways to tell SC1 and MXGC apart without opening the cabinet?
SC1, CO-MX and MX-GC are basically all the same controller family, just newer iterations. They behave the same and there is no 100% safe way of telling them apart from outside. Of course the car top boxes and inspection controls are different on each one of them, so that also gives away the controller type. The fixtures can be an indicator to what it is, but again there is no certainty here. FI MXB or MXV point most certainly to MX-GC. But they were also used with BX / Bionic, though this can easily be detected due to the different sound coming from the Vacon drive and the really slow control flow of, well, everything. Newer fixtures like FI GS or just any generic Schaefer COP are mostly paired with the CO-MX or now the SC1. However, mods of MX-GC lifts exist where only the fixtures have been updated but the controller is still MX-GC.
Drive sound is another important indicator. The characteristic Variodyn VFxxBR (with xx = 22, 33, 44, and so on) sound always hints towards an older installation, either CO-MX or MX-GC controller. The new SC1 comes with the newer DR-VAF drives, which can recuperate electricity back into the grid, also these drives are a lot quieter (example is this video here).
So to summarize: FI-MXB is most likely an MX-GC if BX can be ruled out. FI-GS or other more modern fixtures are most likely CO-MX if old Variodyn sound is present and SC1 if there's no classic sound. Also look at the dates of course, SC1 is ~2021 and newer, CO-MX is ~2015 - 2021 and MX-GC is everything before that (as long as the controller hasn't been replaced at some point).
Sehr schöne effiziente Schindler 5500 Aufzüge und gutes Video👍, wurde hier beim Umbau der Schachtkopf extra verlängert?
Dankesehr!
Nein, der Schachtkopf war schon immer so, denn die alten anlagen fuhren ja auch schon 2m/s (siehe Geschichte der Anlagen in der Beschreibung). Der hohe Schachtkopf beherbergte früher das Rollengerüst mit den Umlenkrollen, da der Antrieb ja im Keller war. Die wurden aber im Rahmen des Ersatzes herausgeschnitten.
Der Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzer hört sich ein bisschen nach kone an
Von der Typenbauart sind die beiden gleich da die von der Firma Wittur kommen, haben innen-mit-rotierende Zentrifugalgewichte die dieses "Klappergeräusch" machen.
LIP Tafel müßte über der Schacht Tür sein. Sieht recht komisch aus so.
Ist wahrscheinlich die originale Position der Weiterfahrtsanzeiger der Vorgängeranlagen.
that indicator looks so fake, did they cheapen out on the choice of fixtures?
Fixture and indicator design is a customer's choice and if the customer wants Schaefer, they'll get Schaefer. What indicator looks "fake"? These are just generic Schaefer dot matrix displays and the one in the COP is installed behind a custom Schindler frosted glass plate. Literally one of the most common configurations nowadays.
didnt know schindler provides schaefer fixtures
@@m4acollects They do indeed and it's a very common choice among customers. Many 3300s around here just have MT42 buttons.
Ich frage mich oft, wieso Schindler nicht ihre eigenen Fixtures installieren will und ohne Not irgendwelche billig wirkenden Schaefer oder DMG buttons einbaut, ob bei Neuanlagen oder Modernisierungen..... Kone macht sowas äusserst selten
Die heutigen, Schindler-eigenen Fixtures werden ja con DMG produziert, also die FI-GS. Aber grundsätzlich ist das einfach Kundenwunsch und da kann Schindler nicht viel machen. Sprich es gibt dann halt FI-GS oder Schaefer MT42 oder RT42 zur Auswahl und wenn der Kunde dann Schaefer will, dann ist das halt so. Was ich persönlich schade finde ist, dass Schindler kein BS Tableau im Angebot hat. BS stellt heutzutage meiner Meinung nach die besten frei erhältlichen Knöpfe her.
Hey, I also saw a similar Schindler on my gran's, but it's the 3000 model
Edit: is there any way to modify the software speed limit? Currently it's max speed is 1.1m/s
The 3000 should also use the SC1 controller like the ones here.
If the lift is built for 1m/s (which I assume due to your mentioned 1.1m/s limit) it should also only operate at that speed. OSG will trip somewhere between 1.3 and 1.4m/s and going near that speed will cause you trouble! (aka jump once and Schindler will have to rescue you out of the lift) The controllers get the nominal speed set in the factory and the only option to change it is through Schindler's software. The one needed for the newest controllers has not been leaked and the controller will completely disable if you try connecting with an older version - so just leave it. You will most certainly brick it and that would get expensive.
Nice
that so fasst for 11 floor
It indeed is! This is the specification I would want modern lifts to be. Yet often cheaper and slower options are chosen.