@Fred Forbes 100% agree. Good demos, but explanations are just "mumble mumble mask mumble mumble." Unless you're doing oxygen deprivation training, lose the masks. Half the video is him fidgeting with the thing.
I have been training karate for almost 8 years, endured all kinds of kicks to my body, but when I switched to Muay Thai and got hit, I swear to God I thought I was dying. Those guys hit hard.
@@ryugarai2668 I did actually. For about year and a half to two years. I also did a lot of kickboxing sparring during that time. They indeed hit hard, but not nearly as hard as Muay Thai guys.
I've been kicked on my ribs by a Muay Thai practicioner, it really felt like the guy tried to cut me in half, such raw power really motivated me, now I'm in search of a good gym lol
@Evil cat so you recommend karate over anything else? Im 13 and am very interested in martial arts. I've done some boxing but I'd like to move somewhere that allows me to use kicks For example tkd or muay thai
Kicks are the most poweful strike a human being can deliver, plus legs are much longer than arms (they have more range) and triple the muscles of the arm, having more power. It is undoubtly an amazing weapon if can be dominated well by practice. TKD varieties of kicks are classified in the different targets they are intended to hit, plus the objective of the TKD student. Someone who needs more practice does not mean that TKD has not power, in fact its the opposite. Or if you had a bad experience in class due to a bad master, does not mean TKD does not work. Videos of TKD power demostrations and habilities, both with hand strike and kicks, are available and can be seen by anybody. Some of these techniques (and also some of the hand technique come from the Karate) with the difference that some techniques were modified and other techniques were added, even jumping attacks. However, TKD is not simply as many could think, a form of Karate, but a martial art on its own. The physical training in TKD and corean martial arts is also one of the most demanding ones, if not the most, and is a challenge. The ones who never did TKD would have a huge surprise. The real TaeKwon Do, is good in self defense, and an amazing martial art. As about the sport part of it, ITF combats are more violent and closer to real fight, that those seen in Olimpics. Some people think of martial arts not as self defense or healthy sport, but a way of humilliating the others (by destroying them, as to feel better) or just for fun, to find out 'who's better'. Thats why TKD is disliked, in part simply cause its philosophy explicits the opposite. To begin with, martial arts were meant for self defense, the human being needed a way to defend himself in ancient times.With the time, these tecniques evolved in martial arts. These were not meant for playing. Some people do not undestand that all martial arts can work in self defense, if trained well. TKD doesn't have 50 million practicants in all 5 continents, and became one of the most famous martial arts (if not the most) just by coincidence, it is undoubtly a very serious art
@@kermit1211 Muaythai has completely protection and attacks you know? And have a lot of weapon than kick. knee,elbow it dangerous. When you miss the kick you can use it to attack and defend.
Professional Thai boxers on the official stage in Thailand, Most of them can break a baseball bat with a kick. very hard leg bones It was caused by training until the bone fractured repeatedly many times. The guy in the clip is good but still an amateur in Thailand. The scary thing may not be Muay Thai, but the culture of Muay Thai training.
@@realtalk7723 finally found someone who understand the real essence When Thai boxer guard a low kick they will turn the shin bone toward that kick , bone against bone
@@thomasbeall9069 far from a sport lmao if anything Karate and Taekwondo are more sport oriented in Muay we learn how to kick ass not how to compete in some watered down tournament where you can't hit the head or you gotta punch/kick a certain way.
“Yeah, it is. If you suck at it.” Hits hard lol. My worst Taekwondo injury was fracturing my foot after getting my kick blocked by an elbow during sparring.
Yeah happens a lot in karate. I tend to kick a bit more with my shin because my sparing partner is a dirty basted that loves leaving the eggs on your foot with his elbows.
I accidentally kicked a steel kickboxing dummy pad thing. The base had a pad for doing low kicks. I was practicing my thai kicks, and did it improperly. Missed the pad and hit the solid steel stem with my foot, I was aiming with my shin. Oh my God the pain!! Hurt so freaking much.
Well, mine was smashing the top of my foot into the other guy's top of the foot after we launched the roundhouse kick at the same time. Only 2 main differences: I was using my left foot as main and he was using right, and he had way more experience and confidence than me.
I have also had injuries to the foot when people block with an elbow. I realize that kicking with the foot happens all the time, but you should definitely train to hit with the shin as much as possible.
The use of the hip rotation for generating power is nearly identical with all three kicks, so it was cool to see how each one applies that concept in their own unique way. As always great video, Sir!
The second Taekwondo roundhouse was just like what my friend favors. He would flick his hip to get me scared of a roundhouse then would set me up with a hook roundhouse combo.
I used to use the hook kick roundhouse combo, but with a twist. I would put up the Hook Kick to the head, but then pull it and re-chamber it. This would cause an opponent, out of instinct, to duck and lean away from it. I would keep going through, then pop up a Roundhouse Kick to the now lowered, and usually wide open head. Gently of course.. Used to be one of my favorite setups. But my knee says the we can't do that anymore !
I think this has to be one of my favorite parts of Taekwondo. We basically have a kick for every angle so just having your leg up is a mystery box as to what comes next.
From my experience, the Taekwondo kick is great for initiating a fight from long range or chasing down your opponent. The Karate kick is great if you want to mix punches and kicks in successive combos and maintain the momentum of the attack without losing your stability. The Muay Thai is great if you want to break bones without caring about missing your target (great for combo ender). All 3 kicks are powerful, it all depends on how you train and what you train it for. Even the Taekwondo kicks are powerful if you keep in mind that you're training for a real sparring not for tournament. (spent 9 years combining Kyokushin Karate + Taekwondo)
The old-school taekwondo roundhouse used for full contact fighting was basically the Kyokushin mawashi-geri Jodan as it is now. This changed over time as it shifted towards point fighting, but this was the technique they used, with a snap roundhouse that has weight in the end of it. I think that's also the best way to kick to the head, it carries enough power to easily KO but is much faster and easier to get to the head than a Thai kick.
I’m proud to call myself a decorated Muay Thai/Kickboxer. Nothing crazy but had a 6-0 record with 8 years of experience under my belt. Been years since I competed. I wanna go back so bad but I know the discipline it requires. I went through a lot in life after I stopped and now I hope one day I’ll be in the ring again. I’m 26 now and I plan on going back by this year. Muay Thai is brutal but it was my love and I hope I can find that love and discipline again🙏🏼
Been doing alright I’ve had my ups and downs like everyone I’m 28 now and got married 4 months ago. I’m also almost 4.5 years clean. Those are the problems I went through after I was 19 and stopped training completely at 23. I basically became a junkie and lost everything and everyone. I didn’t want anything to do with myself either. I was a walking corpse. Went from an athlete to a complete junkie loser. Suicidal thoughts were nothing new to me now either. But after going through my pure hell somehow with the grace of God I was able to make it back and get everything back in my life and more. I like to think even tho I’m not a ring fighter anymore I’ve become a different kind of fighter. I was fighting for my life every single day and I still am. I have clinical anxiety even before I started using so you can imagine the drugs made it 1000x worse. My anxiety comes and goes but now I will not let it control me. I’m grateful and blessed to be able to make it out and get my family back and be able to do things I wanna do in life again. And most importantly I was better enough to the point I found the love of my life and she wants to be with me through everything. I thank God for her and my sobriety everyday. I’m back in the gym again training a little bit on my own but I’ve yet to go back to my kickboxing gym. I would like to go back just for the training not even for the competing. There’s no better training so I hope one day I can muster up the courage to go back again. I know the discipline it requires. I’ve lost a lot of confidence since I’ve gone through my struggles it’s hard to see myself anything other than a junkie loser like before. I try not to live in the past and be hard on myself but that’s something I need to work on. I really appreciate you all wanting to know how I’m doing and thank you very much for your time to read this. I hope you’re all doing well. God Bless🙏🏼
If I were to compare them to punches: TKD reminds me of a jab, Karate reminds me of a cross, and Muay Thai reminds me of a hook. Hope this makes sense😅
@@michaelangelocostello2599 taekwando kick are deadly especially those side kicks and the turning side kick. I remember my friend once asked me to kick him because I used to train taekwando and he was like 50 more punds then me and i sent him flying.
edited We learn 2 different roundhouse kicks in WT TKD. The traditional is like Karate and is used in Poomsae, etc. The sport technique is the one demonstrated. You might even see a middling kick which sacrifices hip rotation to go faster to the opp.'s head. Mostly at a 45 degree. Point stop competition made speed the focus, since you do not aim for a k.o. Basically hip rotation at the last moment is your standard tool to keep the opponent in the unknown. You close distance with frontal knee then do roundhouse instead or sidekick or push kick... all with the respective limitations of the ruleset in mind. If you want to have even more differences look at ITF TKD. I learned doing roundhouse with a another hit area. The ball of your foot (that was the google translator result, dunno if it is correct?) You probably use it, too for breaking boards, for example.
@@SenseiSeth well thanks to the guy above, saved me a lot of explanation, but the TKD guy teaching you is not wrong, his technique is right and very good, although as the guy above just said, that's a point competition variation that focuses on speed (some dojangs call it bandal chagui, some others pit chagui, roundhouse is dollyo chagui) the more traditional one is closer to the karate kick. I think I found an old video (it's still olympic TKD but you catch the differences) ruclips.net/video/D7DQ0BjBnPY/видео.html
that has been my thing, i learned the ball of foot kicks in tang soo do, and always felt it was safer than instep. instep gives you that satisfying slap feel, but the mechanics of the ball is a small stiking area so it would be like the difference between hitting with a hammer vs a cricket bat, and since the ball is reinforced with you bones in your feet pointing into the target, rather than pointing perpendicular to where the impact is going to go in, id be mroe worried about hurting my foot with that if i hit their arm or shoulder. Its a preference, but im team ball of foot all the way, slappy kicks are fine for kicking the backs of legs or if you can hit the ribs, but the head or bony torso stuff, it feels weaker. EDIT: also in tang soo do, we kick like your "karate" one, chambering un then turning. but im thinking "sport" tkd and "art" tkd may be similar.
@@ryanweible9090 I'm with you, Ryan. I learned to use the instep when I trained in Kenpo - I used it mostly in point sparring. Then begrudgingly, I switched to (a version of) ITF TKD, under Master Ra Yung Chul who taught using the ball of the foot but with an altogether different chambering method. Boy, did that open my eyes -- and I never looked back. In fact I use the "hammer" analogy when teaching this kick to my students... Ball of foot all the way!
I learnt two ways of the roundhouse kick in Taekwondo. The one David demonstrated but also the one you showed at the end. First is for Poomsae (choreography) the other for fighting. I moved to Thaiboxing last year. It was really hard for me to make the transition from a very fast to a very powerful kick. Both techniques have their advantages.
I mean old school Taekwondo had kicks more like a Thai kick, pretty much Kyokushin roundhouse kicks in practice, due to the old ruleset. The difference is in how much you turn the hip and where you chamber. Muay Thai roundhouses have a somewhat loose chamber and fully snap the hip and body behind it (it's almost like using your shin much like you would your knee and ramming it into the opponent), Kyokushin and old-school Muay Thai is a similar chamber with the heel tight to the hamstring (you can either bring it up front and then parallel to the target like TKD or bring it on the outside like MT but keep the chamber tight, old-school Shotokan would do it like this to kick over the shoulder) but it has more bodyweight behind it and you tend to frame out (stiffen into the kick and push into the target) rather than rechamber. Kyokushin guys are also really good at headkicking with roundhouses at point blank range by using a diagonal chamber and leg extension (so you basically come at an angle up past the shoulder to the head). If you are flexible it's a great tool for Thai Boxing because a) nobody expects the head kick from basically clinch range and b) people tend to leave their guard somewhat down when they get close as a result of bodyshots and knees in the clinch (you can also just condition them to make sure of this). Once you understand the dynamics and mechanics of kicking well, I think you can pretty much swap between any style of roundhouse at will. Obviously best to focus on one or two though, you should definitely look up the Kyokushin roundhouse, it's a mix between Thai and Taekwondo kicking, it's a great fit for a practioner of both styles. NeroMMA has some good videos on it.
@@AveSicarius Kyokushin was created to rival Muay Thai right? I always noticed Kyokushin guys look similar to Thai Fighters especially with there squared up stance and low kicks. Only differences is the punching and hands down.
@@Vinnay94 It was created because Mas Oyama didn't think what he was learning was as practical as it could be for actually fighting people. It's got a huge influence by Muay Thai because the Kyokushinkai guys would just go around fighting everyone they could and taking inspiration from it, Thailand was a place they went often haha. But old-school Karate is actually not dissimilar from old-school Thai martial arts. Leg kicks and clinching existed already, but there's absolutely overlap between Kyokushin and Muay Thai regardless.
Great video! I did a bit of martial arts as a kid. As an adult I did a couple of competitive years of taekwando, then Muay Thai for a few years, then to karate (and MMA) for a couple of years and now back to Muay Thai. There were a few years in between where I just worked the bag at home once or twice a week so it should come as no surprise that I can kick any style depending on the opponent and the level of contact (although aging hips are starting to take their toll!). I still spar good quality fighters and have done for many years, this means I get good feedback on what kicks work against each sport. From my experience (and of course my body and capabilities will differ from yours for better or worse) I'd like to say what I think is best from each sport when mixing it up in the ring (or cage). Taekwando; side kicks, the leading leg head kick (roundhouse) and crescent chop (down the front of the face) generally work well in the ring or cage. Also checking kicks with the bottom of your leading foot. Everything else doesn't really suit the ring. Karate; side kicks, front kicks (with a bit of distance skipping) and high round houses generally work well in the ring. They also do ok against Taekwando opponents. Muay Thai; no secret here that this is the toughest and most brutal of these sports and getting hit is part of the game. In a real fight this is the most effective discipline (mainly because of the boxing, knees and elbows). Leg kicks (inside and outside) and push kicks (either leg) are the most effective here. Other kicks are less likely to connect against Taekwando or Karate opponents. It should also be said that Muay Thai guys are the easiest to kick to the head so hands up!
@@jadedjade584 100kicks per leg into a heavy bag alone, let alone pad work, during a training session condition shins well. No need to go kicking trees or things like that👍 Also running a few miles a few times a week conditions shin bones just nicely from the micro impacts from running
I think Muay Thai delivers the hardest blow, because there's alot of focus on power, speed and endurance. The way of wrecking your opponent quickly, that may follow with elbows and knees, if the enemy is still standing. TERRANCE OUT
I learnt Wado Ryu karate and we kick the way the TKD person kicks too. What I was taught is that this is so the opponent doesn't know which kick it's going to be till the very end.
I was looking to see if anyone mentioned that, same here. Wado I was taught was as per the TKD kick, although I must say I have seen some in our club doing it like Seth is showing.
Did karate as a kid and Muay Thai now. My trainer recently taught me to raise my knee like I'm checking, then flip my hips and throw the kick. I used to do it all in one fluid motion. Now I kind of separate the two. I felt a power difference immediately.
Props for actually discussing the merits of different martial arts and giving each a shot. This is how we should treat each other's disciplines, with respect.
Lol this is great. I was taught by Robinson’s TKD. We were a hybrid of boxing, muay Thai and TKD. From my experience, tkd really built up my kicks as in my dexterity and better hip rotation. And Muay Thai really just toughened me up and I would kick with my foot but blast it like a Muay Thai kick.
Great video. I think you nailed it when you spoke to the extremes of the approaches of TKD vs MT, and the in between. For TKD I was taught that speed is the key to force (i.e. F = MA). As a stocky guy with a tendency to muscle through things, it was a wonderful way to reframe my mindset. One of the things drilled into our heads was to kick without taking a (telegraphing) step with the front foot. Another concept was to fully pivot off the back leg. Doing so helps eat up a lot of distance (with a slight hop you can even allow the momentum of the initial drive forward to slide you closer to your target). The version shown was a classic kick, but there are other nuances that can be applied. For example, a cut kick will come up and under the ribs. In another version we come across and through (like you explained your Karate kick), as well as down. Again, great video.
Ironically, the fact that i train in both Taekwondo and Muay Thai has led to me developing a style of roundhouse kick that is in fact, closest to Karate - a martial art i've never formally trained in.
Man most of the karate that they teach nowadays is designed not for self-defense but more for discipline and even Fitness. And especially here in America it's watered down but Muay Thai is a different animal all together. Once you start training Muay Thai you realize the damage it does is like a bear mauling you compared to most karate techniques which is kind of like a dog bite in comparison
This is all good, Seth! Two things. For me, I found the most power by saving the hip as long as possible until kicking it in, and kicking the air too much was the worst thing for my joints. Years ago, I decided to only hit a decent target for resistance to the kick power. That has allowed me to keep active well beyond most.
you dindn't have proper technique, you should train knowing there is a risk you'd hit the air, you didn't shadow enough, it allowed you to keep active well beyond most sounds like copium for me
@@olionor Still doing pretty well. My technique is fine. Most of my contemporaries can't train anymore due to joint injuries. How are you doing, or are you just a young talker?
@@olionor I'm still doing pretty well. My technique is fine. Most of my contemporaries can no longer train due to joint injuries. How are you doing or are you just a young talker?
@@Skipmunk85 Most of the Judo throws I learn are "simple" but since I have the bodily mechanics IQ of a dead whale it takes me ages to make them work even vs mild resistance
I'm a kickboxing instructor and a lifelong Martial artist, I loved this. I see similarities in all. But I favor the Muay Thai round kick. I love the whip feeling I get when I land. ❤️
When I teach a "roundhouse kick" it's like the Karate example (which is how I've been taught in traditional TKD). When I spar it's often more like the Muay Thai example. The TKD teacher is demonstrating what we would call an Upward Angle Kick.
@@MuslimanDardania I train in MMA, Muay Thai & Kick boxing is my strength, usually where i train they don't let you spat until you technique is good as well as your cardio
I've sparred real hard against different versions of the roundhouse. Yes they may be different but in all honesty, they all will hurt. Its all meant to hurt so anyone well trained will do the job just fine. Lol.
@@SenseiSeth yes they will. I miss those days not being able to sit on the toilet because of receiving too many leg kicks hahah. Thanks for the video man. 👍
As a kukkiwon black belt in Tae Kwon Do, it's really incredible to see the basics taught the same way universally. I was taught this exact way, hundreds of miles away 20ish years ago. Really incredible to see.
So as a life long TKD guy when I started learning Muay Thai and my coach showed me his roundhouse kick I had some MAJOR problems with it. The way the Muay Thai Master in this video showed it fixed all the problems I had. I'm going to start implementing these changes ASAP!
I absolutely love the Muay Thai kick. The cortical thickening on the shin along with the mechanics and the extra momentum gained by striking with the leg instead if the feet WILL break bones (of course reach is sacrificed but some smart footwork and setups mitigate that). TKD kicks are harder to read and definitely are awesome with how fast they can be executed after another, but look up buakaw and see how easily that man can launch those devastating kicks after another. All of those kicks will do damage but there is nothing like a good thai kick slicing through the heavy bag.
Fantastic video! I started in sport karate and moved over to Muay Thai. Took me the longest time to stop trying to control my kicks and re-chamber it so much lol. I basically had to unlearn it. The funny thing is that now I’m looking for ways to bring it back and implement it more in my MT. Sun goes up, sun goes down 🌅 😅.
I especially like that you are looking at different variations and you said, "think how you can apply it to your next roundhouse kick." Bravo. Always be learning.
The TKD round house I learned was was similar to your last round house with a set up similar to the muay thai back leg. Notice your floor bound foot (the last kick with front foot) you did on the bag. Your foot turned 180 degrees with a slight air slide forward. But imagine that the with the rear foot coming around the corner with a tight chamber. Also in the set up, your chamber comes up beside your hips while spinning 90 degrees toward your target. The mix gives you power similar to the muay thai kick with the similar look to the karate style. The first TKD kick is more for point sparring and is similar to what we called a slant kick. The only difference there is the angle maintains the same arc to slip under the elbow guard. Targets right above the hip under the ribs, and wants to exit the shoulder on the opposite side. Makes the soft internals feel like it got cut up in a blender.
Love your videos, Seth! My experience is in ITF Tae Kwon-Do, and I relate more to your Karate than the TKD in your videos. Roundhouse is a great example! Only difference is that we would place the foot down in front after the re-chamber so as to not linger in a single post stance, then step or slide back for the next rep. I’d be interested in hearing the reasoning of bringing one’s kicking leg back to original stance after delivery, if that ever becomes convenient for you. Very much appreciate your work of bringing different styles together! Thank you for sharing your hard work and for making it so entertaining and informative! Please, keep it up!
Very good vid! I have done both traditional karate as well as TKD (but not muay thai). I stay away from the attitude of which is "better" and focus more on "what works for you." Thanks for the vid! In my original style of karate, my Sensei's way of doing this kick was the only "right" way. After studying TKD and full contact karate, I now have more "right way" to do things - like having three different kinds of hammers, all for a different purpose.
I learned the last second rotation roundhouse as a way to confuse someone we also taught a roundhouse that has a lot more turn and digs in for power, but my gm was an old school teacher that trained the Korean military so we kept a lot of the older style too
I've been doing muay Thai for a year and a half my kru was demonstrating a set of combinations he just touched my leg with his shin! It felt like a rock lol
Karate, Taekwondo, Muay Thai, all three disciplines, it is the art of using the body as a weapon. How intense the fight is depends on the person's body.
Great video. Very informative. I study TKD, but according to your video, my roundhouse is more Karate than TKD. At my school, we practice the switch kick, sort of like your Muay Thai instructor had you do, but we do it with a chamber. I hope, though I'm never kicked with a well executed Muay Thai round kick. It looks very painful.
Yeah I studied Tae kwon do for over 5 years and at my school we practiced the round house just like your karate round house. Funny thing was I did a free trial at a karate school after I decided to stop tae kwon do and the instructor/owner was asking me to show him my kicks and was telling me oh that's not like a tkd round house kick that's like this or that or that's not I tkd back kick that's like this. I didn't end up going there I ended up going to a different karate gym for a few.
I did full-contact karate before, the trick to throwing the round house kick is to have a triangle formed from ankle, knee, and hips. Their kicks are meant to be below the chest height and transitioning to other technique were essential.
how does the tkd guy not break his foot if he accidentally kicks someone's elbow, for example? Not trying to throw shade, WT Olympic TKD is my favorite sport to watch and I'd really like to incorporate the TKD roundhouse into my repertoire. Any chance you'll be able to have him on for a Q&A where he breaks down some of the philosophies of TKD and what he feels makes it a rich martial art?
@@prvtthd401 Broken feet do happen usually during training but it's not as common as you would think. Because those kicks are sport oriented they are usually kicking a padded target with a padded foot. In traditional non sport TKD they also train to hit with the shin and ball of the foot in addition to the instep/top of the foot. It all depends on their purpose for training.
Pro File well for me i was taught to use the top and the shin shin if im a bit closer and top if im a bot father either all versions are good its about how you use them
If you don’t want to break your foot, try to make sure you turn over the hip all the way. I used to slam my foot on elbows all the time. I learned when you rotate the hips fully into the target, your foot goes fully across and into the target.
Knowing all the variations of these techniques is the reason you impressed everybody in this video with your power. I can tell you weren't always a spry one. Your mentality is pure gold, and that's what brings you so much success. Just got into your videos through Icy Mike, and I'm blown away man.
As a brown belt and competing kyokushin practitioner I gotta say that you nailed the karate kicks pretty well. It really sits somewhere in between the tae kwon do and muay thai kick. We aim for a lot of speed and power from the body & the hip (similar to muay thai), but also for a nice fast snap at the end (like tae kwon do). A nice thing is that a good kyokushin practitioner could easily learn to throw both muay thai and tae kwon do kicks because they already have the power, hip and the snap movements in their arsenal. Great content!
I have done Shito-Ryu karate and there is also the emphasis on using the ball of the foot rather than the top. My Sensei said that this was because one could break the bones of the foot by using the top. However, I have also studied TKD and full contact. In my experience, using the ball of the foot results in a very awkward angle of the hips - un-natural. In a self defense situation, the vast majority of the time one would be wearing shoes or something, so not only would the shoe protect the top of the foot, but also would make it very difficult to actually use the ball of the foot. Also, I find that if I use the top of my foot to make the contact, I gain at least 6 to 8 inches more reach.
Well, I recently switched from Shito-Ryu to Wado-Ryu, in the second there are 2 variations of the Mawashi-Geri (Roundhouse-kick), the standard one hitting with the Heisoku (top) and the Ko-Mawashi-Geri, hitting with the ball of the foot (Koshi). The Sensei tells us that the second one is much more dangerous- for both the user (if not trained well the foot or hits in an awkward angle) and the target( the impact is much more precise and deep). Usually we train the standard one, and I feel much more comfortable with that one- but maybe because i'm not too advanced. *shurggs*.
@@brettbarager9101, the point is knowing WHEN to do it. Try breaking using the instep. Also, sidekicks should never use the knife edge, but people are still taught to do it, because it is not stable and the heel has more force due to hip to heel alignment but may be okay for for that never thrown throat sidekick.
After seeing all three, I kick like you, Seth. A mix of both and we usually kick with the foot. The TKD guy was going way up on the ball of his foot and I've always been discouraged from doing that. But I don't like the way they go forward first and then turn the hip at the end. It's weird. Now after thinking about it more, the two hardest things about switching to the MT roundhouse last night was a) not chambering, and b) taking that little offsetting step so you can swing your hip. It was a little tricky, but it worked well once I got it down.
I feel like Tkd would be real nice to disguise as a teep or snap kick, karate would be nice to slip through a gaurd once you get somebody trying to deflect a Thai kick, kinda like cro cop used to do.
Mawashi Geri's weapon can also be ball of foot in karate. In fact to facilitate that, style like Shotokan really emphasizes picking up the leg behind the body to prepare. Sorry answered the question of differences instead of similarities :)
You, Sensie Seth, my friend, are a true Martial Artist. Your knowledge, appreciation, understanding, respect for the different disciplines plus your ability to utilise them is real and very refreshing!! You get it. I can dig it. Carry on, good Sir. 👍🏾🥋🥊❤🙏🏾
My system of Karate is a Hybrid of Shito-Ryu, ITF Taekwondo and a Korean style called So Rim Sa Churl Kwon Do, which has close lineage to the styles that evolved into kempo. So we do all three styles of kicks.
When I was doing boxing I found my self doing orthodox stance, (Im right handed) but after TKD and going into MMA, I found my self being a south paw. I was wondering if you ever thought about doing a video going over the pros and cons of these stances, and the uses of being able to switch between them.
One thing that usually helps for a bit more power to combine with the chamber/snappiness of the TKD and karate kicks you're showing is to try and push the hip through a bit more, which combines with the base foot pivoting to 160-180 away from the target. It's almost a feeling of stretching out. When you're kicking towards a mirror and practicing in the air, it's like putting your butt in instead of leaving it sticking out. It may take more flexibility, but I can load a lot more power, though it's a slightly slower recovery if you miss compared to a more typical TKD kick. I haven't before, but I can try to make a video if that doesn't make clear sense the way I described it if people are curious.
Comparing SIDE KICKS among styles is out now!! With Stephen Thompson as a guest coach!! ruclips.net/video/HbJkdXZDYpc/видео.html
Thanks for the video Sensei Seth. It's great to see you again too. Hahaha.
good job from France
Oss
Steph who?
@Fred Forbes 100% agree. Good demos, but explanations are just "mumble mumble mask mumble mumble." Unless you're doing oxygen deprivation training, lose the masks. Half the video is him fidgeting with the thing.
I have been training karate for almost 8 years, endured all kinds of kicks to my body, but when I switched to Muay Thai and got hit, I swear to God I thought I was dying. Those guys hit hard.
Because they condition their body to really fight in the ring. Not just for sparring
@@Hetzerg exactly.
I'm pretty sure you've never tried Kyokushin.
@@ryugarai2668 I did actually. For about year and a half to two years. I also did a lot of kickboxing sparring during that time. They indeed hit hard, but not nearly as hard as Muay Thai guys.
@@kristijanfistrek9055 Muay created for using in real war so it's purpose is kick to kill
Karate: stronger
Taekwondo: "speed and clean"
Muai Thai/Boran: KILLLLL
Accurate lmao💀💀💀
xD💀
Lol
this is taekwondo wtf, you should try itf
@@alejandrovallejos7609 The ITF is just like Seth's kick from karate.
I've been kicked on my ribs by a Muay Thai practicioner, it really felt like the guy tried to cut me in half, such raw power really motivated me, now I'm in search of a good gym lol
Lol did your ribs get broken?
@Evil cat so you recommend karate over anything else? Im 13 and am very interested in martial arts. I've done some boxing but I'd like to move somewhere that allows me to use kicks For example tkd or muay thai
@@Dogspine1 Mma, kickboxing, muay thai over karate.
@@Dogspine1 muay thai
@@Dogspine1 muay Thai is much better than karate not to say karate is bad its got its perks but muay Thai is more practical
Taekwondo is as smooth as a blue label, Karate is controlled as a fine wine and Muaythai is just a straight up Jack Daniels.
Jack always fucks you up even days later you think back never again
This needs to be quoted
@@BuggyChokeTheWorld tell me about it.
JD? really?.. surely something with alot more errrrr kick!!
More like that cheap moonshine thats going to kill you with methanol poisoning
Karate: Heritage and style for the beauty of the kick
Taekwondo: Legfencing
Muay: Chop the banana tree down you can only use one leg.
When I was young I trained in TKD before training in muay Thai later in life. Legfencing is the best description of TKD I've ever heard lol
Kicks are the most poweful strike a human being can deliver, plus legs are much longer than arms (they have more range) and triple the muscles of the arm, having more power. It is undoubtly an amazing weapon if can be dominated well by practice. TKD varieties of kicks are classified in the different targets they are intended to hit, plus the objective of the TKD student. Someone who needs more practice does not mean that TKD has not power, in fact its the opposite. Or if you had a bad experience in class due to a bad master, does not mean TKD does not work. Videos of TKD power demostrations and habilities, both with hand strike and kicks, are available and can be seen by anybody.
Some of these techniques (and also some of the hand technique come from the Karate) with the difference that some techniques were modified and other techniques were added, even jumping attacks. However, TKD is not simply as many could think, a form of Karate, but a martial art on its own. The physical training in TKD and corean martial arts is also one of the most demanding ones, if not the most, and is a challenge. The ones who never did TKD would have a huge surprise. The real TaeKwon Do, is good in self defense, and an amazing martial art. As about the sport part of it, ITF combats are more violent and closer to real fight, that those seen in Olimpics.
Some people think of martial arts not as self defense or healthy sport, but a way of humilliating the others (by destroying them, as to feel better) or just for fun, to find out 'who's better'. Thats why TKD is disliked, in part simply cause its philosophy explicits the opposite.
To begin with, martial arts were meant for self defense, the human being needed a way to defend himself in ancient times.With the time, these tecniques evolved in martial arts. These were not meant for playing. Some people do not undestand that all martial arts can work in self defense, if trained well. TKD doesn't have 50 million practicants in all 5 continents, and became one of the most famous martial arts (if not the most) just by coincidence, it is undoubtly a very serious art
I used to practice TKD for 5 years and Muay Thai for 2 years. Muay Thai hits waaaaay harder.
@@leandrozanardo1046 Amen to this
Hilariously accurate
Karate and TKD: I heard you have a head, ima kick it off
Muay Thai: I heard you have bones, ima break them like a banana tree.
Trained both tkd and muay thai.
Will only ever do a muay thai kick of im 100% sure my opponent cant or wont dodge it.
@@texascultdeity8904 kinda hard to dodge if you can’t check lol
@@Jbnfmshhwbbe1 Thair kicks are powerful but at the same time risky when you miss
@@kermit1211 Muaythai has completely protection and attacks you know? And have a lot of weapon than kick. knee,elbow it dangerous. When you miss the kick you can use it to attack and defend.
@@kiwdong the round kick in Thai is risky if you miss it since Thai style round kick don’t really chamber their kick back
Taekwondo: Gi and belt
Karate: Belt
Muay Thai: Basketball Jersey
Lmao
In fairness, we do have Thai shorts
Muay Thai has Armbands.
@@wolfhawk1999 LETS GO SWIMMING
Right, no BS
I like the sound effects you made for the kicks with your arm
Taekwando: *boom*
Karate: *boom*
Muay Thai: *URRRUHH*
Professional Thai boxers on the official stage in Thailand,
Most of them can break a baseball bat with a kick.
very hard leg bones It was caused by training until the bone fractured repeatedly many times.
The guy in the clip is good but still an amateur in Thailand.
The scary thing may not be Muay Thai, but the culture of Muay Thai training.
@@realtalk7723 finally found someone who understand the real essence
When Thai boxer guard a low kick they will turn the shin bone toward that kick , bone against bone
In muaythai we dont need a belt,we need only short even boxer pants
😂👏
😭😂
It's not a system it's a sport so of course it doesn't need belts. What's there to learn?
Your belts are the bandages your gona need😂
@@thomasbeall9069 far from a sport lmao if anything Karate and Taekwondo are more sport oriented in Muay we learn how to kick ass not how to compete in some watered down tournament where you can't hit the head or you gotta punch/kick a certain way.
Muay thai just want to cut people in half and this is lovely
In the slow mo, muay thai guy sounds like an actual tiger.
so sick lmao
Tiger tiger tiger tiger upper cut.
It's the eye of the tiger ...
...and thrill of the fight...
Sagat.....
Every roundhouse kick is beautiful in its own way, it's just a matter of how you can make it work perfectly for you.
true that!
👌
Well said
Yes, unique just like a snow flake
Well put
“Yeah, it is. If you suck at it.” Hits hard lol.
My worst Taekwondo injury was fracturing my foot after getting my kick blocked by an elbow during sparring.
Ouch 😬
Yeah happens a lot in karate. I tend to kick a bit more with my shin because my sparing partner is a dirty basted that loves leaving the eggs on your foot with his elbows.
I accidentally kicked a steel kickboxing dummy pad thing. The base had a pad for doing low kicks. I was practicing my thai kicks, and did it improperly. Missed the pad and hit the solid steel stem with my foot, I was aiming with my shin. Oh my God the pain!! Hurt so freaking much.
Well, mine was smashing the top of my foot into the other guy's top of the foot after we launched the roundhouse kick at the same time. Only 2 main differences: I was using my left foot as main and he was using right, and he had way more experience and confidence than me.
I have also had injuries to the foot when people block with an elbow. I realize that kicking with the foot happens all the time, but you should definitely train to hit with the shin as much as possible.
Really shows the difference between a kick for points and a kick for pain
crazy how muay thai practitioners basically have such good control of their legs its like a second set of arms
Muay Thai is after all called the "8 limbs" for their superb control of legs, knees, fists, and elbows.
I feel like this is more true for karate and especially taekwondo since they emphasize kicking more. But top MT guys have insane control too.
@@evgenybelilovskiy1205 Damn that sounds awesome
I always felt like a karate had more control and muay thAi was toughness and a break you down type style
I am also a Sensei and named Seth, I approve of my dopplegangers work. Well done much taller cryptid clone well done.
hahaha thats so sick
Collab!
Collab!
36 Chambers is seriously the best name for a gym I've ever heard
Whats it mean lol
Wu tang niguh BOW!!
They're the best people. Seth teaches there. I had the pleasure of sparring with them before my last fight.
wu-tang clan
Cobra Kai is
The use of the hip rotation for generating power is nearly identical with all three kicks, so it was cool to see how each one applies that concept in their own unique way. As always great video, Sir!
Right?? Thanks!
@@_Green_Onions_ it's acceleration if you make it speed spuared, (m/s)² it'll be m²/s² which is not acceleration
Karate: Precision
Tae Kwan Do: Speed
Muay Thai: Power
Speed kills
Actually in MuayThai we use technique and power
@@mrroc3707 every martial art and fighting style uses technique
Muay Boran Has it 3
That feeling in sparring when you get roundhouse’d, and you cry in awe at the beauty of human evolutionary magnificence
Gotta respect it! Lmao
The second Taekwondo roundhouse was just like what my friend favors. He would flick his hip to get me scared of a roundhouse then would set me up with a hook roundhouse combo.
he's so good with that
I used to use the hook kick roundhouse combo, but with a twist. I would put up the Hook Kick to the head, but then pull it and re-chamber it. This would cause an opponent, out of instinct, to duck and lean away from it. I would keep going through, then pop up a Roundhouse Kick to the now lowered, and usually wide open head. Gently of course.. Used to be one of my favorite setups. But my knee says the we can't do that anymore !
I think this has to be one of my favorite parts of Taekwondo. We basically have a kick for every angle so just having your leg up is a mystery box as to what comes next.
From my experience, the Taekwondo kick is great for initiating a fight from long range or chasing down your opponent. The Karate kick is great if you want to mix punches and kicks in successive combos and maintain the momentum of the attack without losing your stability. The Muay Thai is great if you want to break bones without caring about missing your target (great for combo ender). All 3 kicks are powerful, it all depends on how you train and what you train it for. Even the Taekwondo kicks are powerful if you keep in mind that you're training for a real sparring not for tournament. (spent 9 years combining Kyokushin Karate + Taekwondo)
The old-school taekwondo roundhouse used for full contact fighting was basically the Kyokushin mawashi-geri Jodan as it is now. This changed over time as it shifted towards point fighting, but this was the technique they used, with a snap roundhouse that has weight in the end of it. I think that's also the best way to kick to the head, it carries enough power to easily KO but is much faster and easier to get to the head than a Thai kick.
The best explaination I've seen so far. As a muay thai guy myself I couldn't really pin-point the differences between TKD and Karate roundhouse kicks.
🙏🙏
I’m proud to call myself a decorated Muay Thai/Kickboxer. Nothing crazy but had a 6-0 record with 8 years of experience under my belt. Been years since I competed. I wanna go back so bad but I know the discipline it requires. I went through a lot in life after I stopped and now I hope one day I’ll be in the ring again. I’m 26 now and I plan on going back by this year. Muay Thai is brutal but it was my love and I hope I can find that love and discipline again🙏🏼
Can you make some update to this comment im interesting in know how is going with training and your life
100% go back. Discipline, bro, stay on top of it
I hope you’re able to chase your passions again soon! And I’m glad you’re making it thru those tough times!!
How are u doing now
Been doing alright I’ve had my ups and downs like everyone I’m 28 now and got married 4 months ago. I’m also almost 4.5 years clean. Those are the problems I went through after I was 19 and stopped training completely at 23. I basically became a junkie and lost everything and everyone. I didn’t want anything to do with myself either. I was a walking corpse. Went from an athlete to a complete junkie loser. Suicidal thoughts were nothing new to me now either. But after going through my pure hell somehow with the grace of God I was able to make it back and get everything back in my life and more. I like to think even tho I’m not a ring fighter anymore I’ve become a different kind of fighter. I was fighting for my life every single day and I still am. I have clinical anxiety even before I started using so you can imagine the drugs made it 1000x worse. My anxiety comes and goes but now I will not let it control me. I’m grateful and blessed to be able to make it out and get my family back and be able to do things I wanna do in life again. And most importantly I was better enough to the point I found the love of my life and she wants to be with me through everything. I thank God for her and my sobriety everyday. I’m back in the gym again training a little bit on my own but I’ve yet to go back to my kickboxing gym. I would like to go back just for the training not even for the competing. There’s no better training so I hope one day I can muster up the courage to go back again. I know the discipline it requires. I’ve lost a lot of confidence since I’ve gone through my struggles it’s hard to see myself anything other than a junkie loser like before. I try not to live in the past and be hard on myself but that’s something I need to work on. I really appreciate you all wanting to know how I’m doing and thank you very much for your time to read this. I hope you’re all doing well. God Bless🙏🏼
If I were to compare them to punches: TKD reminds me of a jab, Karate reminds me of a cross, and Muay Thai reminds me of a hook. Hope this makes sense😅
Isaac R. Carr lol
Understandable, but the Taekwondo roundhouse is a devastating kick nonetheless.
@@michaelangelocostello2599 taekwando kick are deadly especially those side kicks and the turning side kick. I remember my friend once asked me to kick him because I used to train taekwando and he was like 50 more punds then me and i sent him flying.
I like this
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We learn 2 different roundhouse kicks in WT TKD. The traditional is like Karate and is used in Poomsae, etc. The sport technique is the one demonstrated. You might even see a middling kick which sacrifices hip rotation to go faster to the opp.'s head. Mostly at a 45 degree.
Point stop competition made speed the focus, since you do not aim for a k.o.
Basically hip rotation at the last moment is your standard tool to keep the opponent in the unknown. You close distance with frontal knee then do roundhouse instead or sidekick or push kick... all with the respective limitations of the ruleset in mind.
If you want to have even more differences look at ITF TKD. I learned doing roundhouse with a another hit area. The ball of your foot (that was the google translator result, dunno if it is correct?) You probably use it, too for breaking boards, for example.
oh nice! I like the variations!
@@SenseiSeth well thanks to the guy above, saved me a lot of explanation, but the TKD guy teaching you is not wrong, his technique is right and very good, although as the guy above just said, that's a point competition variation that focuses on speed (some dojangs call it bandal chagui, some others pit chagui, roundhouse is dollyo chagui) the more traditional one is closer to the karate kick. I think I found an old video (it's still olympic TKD but you catch the differences)
ruclips.net/video/D7DQ0BjBnPY/видео.html
that has been my thing, i learned the ball of foot kicks in tang soo do, and always felt it was safer than instep. instep gives you that satisfying slap feel, but the mechanics of the ball is a small stiking area so it would be like the difference between hitting with a hammer vs a cricket bat, and since the ball is reinforced with you bones in your feet pointing into the target, rather than pointing perpendicular to where the impact is going to go in, id be mroe worried about hurting my foot with that if i hit their arm or shoulder. Its a preference, but im team ball of foot all the way, slappy kicks are fine for kicking the backs of legs or if you can hit the ribs, but the head or bony torso stuff, it feels weaker.
EDIT: also in tang soo do, we kick like your "karate" one, chambering un then turning. but im thinking "sport" tkd and "art" tkd may be similar.
@@alexei456 Yes, I was gonna say the same thing
@@ryanweible9090 I'm with you, Ryan. I learned to use the instep when I trained in Kenpo - I used it mostly in point sparring. Then begrudgingly, I switched to (a version of) ITF TKD, under Master Ra Yung Chul who taught using the ball of the foot but with an altogether different chambering method. Boy, did that open my eyes -- and I never looked back. In fact I use the "hammer" analogy when teaching this kick to my students... Ball of foot all the way!
I learnt two ways of the roundhouse kick in Taekwondo. The one David demonstrated but also the one you showed at the end. First is for Poomsae (choreography) the other for fighting. I moved to Thaiboxing last year. It was really hard for me to make the transition from a very fast to a very powerful kick. Both techniques have their advantages.
I mean old school Taekwondo had kicks more like a Thai kick, pretty much Kyokushin roundhouse kicks in practice, due to the old ruleset. The difference is in how much you turn the hip and where you chamber. Muay Thai roundhouses have a somewhat loose chamber and fully snap the hip and body behind it (it's almost like using your shin much like you would your knee and ramming it into the opponent), Kyokushin and old-school Muay Thai is a similar chamber with the heel tight to the hamstring (you can either bring it up front and then parallel to the target like TKD or bring it on the outside like MT but keep the chamber tight, old-school Shotokan would do it like this to kick over the shoulder) but it has more bodyweight behind it and you tend to frame out (stiffen into the kick and push into the target) rather than rechamber. Kyokushin guys are also really good at headkicking with roundhouses at point blank range by using a diagonal chamber and leg extension (so you basically come at an angle up past the shoulder to the head). If you are flexible it's a great tool for Thai Boxing because a) nobody expects the head kick from basically clinch range and b) people tend to leave their guard somewhat down when they get close as a result of bodyshots and knees in the clinch (you can also just condition them to make sure of this).
Once you understand the dynamics and mechanics of kicking well, I think you can pretty much swap between any style of roundhouse at will. Obviously best to focus on one or two though, you should definitely look up the Kyokushin roundhouse, it's a mix between Thai and Taekwondo kicking, it's a great fit for a practioner of both styles. NeroMMA has some good videos on it.
@@AveSicarius Kyokushin was created to rival Muay Thai right? I always noticed Kyokushin guys look similar to Thai Fighters especially with there squared up stance and low kicks. Only differences is the punching and hands down.
@@Vinnay94
It was created because Mas Oyama didn't think what he was learning was as practical as it could be for actually fighting people. It's got a huge influence by Muay Thai because the Kyokushinkai guys would just go around fighting everyone they could and taking inspiration from it, Thailand was a place they went often haha.
But old-school Karate is actually not dissimilar from old-school Thai martial arts. Leg kicks and clinching existed already, but there's absolutely overlap between Kyokushin and Muay Thai regardless.
Great video!
I did a bit of martial arts as a kid. As an adult I did a couple of competitive years of taekwando, then Muay Thai for a few years, then to karate (and MMA) for a couple of years and now back to Muay Thai. There were a few years in between where I just worked the bag at home once or twice a week so it should come as no surprise that I can kick any style depending on the opponent and the level of contact (although aging hips are starting to take their toll!).
I still spar good quality fighters and have done for many years, this means I get good feedback on what kicks work against each sport.
From my experience (and of course my body and capabilities will differ from yours for better or worse) I'd like to say what I think is best from each sport when mixing it up in the ring (or cage).
Taekwando; side kicks, the leading leg head kick (roundhouse) and crescent chop (down the front of the face) generally work well in the ring or cage. Also checking kicks with the bottom of your leading foot. Everything else doesn't really suit the ring.
Karate; side kicks, front kicks (with a bit of distance skipping) and high round houses generally work well in the ring. They also do ok against Taekwando opponents.
Muay Thai; no secret here that this is the toughest and most brutal of these sports and getting hit is part of the game. In a real fight this is the most effective discipline (mainly because of the boxing, knees and elbows). Leg kicks (inside and outside) and push kicks (either leg) are the most effective here. Other kicks are less likely to connect against Taekwando or Karate opponents. It should also be said that Muay Thai guys are the easiest to kick to the head so hands up!
I’m a Muay Thai guy. And that arm stuff is the best explanation of the different arts that I’ve ever seen. Thanks!
Muay Thai essentially turns your leg into an axe lol
hahaha
that is accurate, muay thai practitioners condition their shins to be as hard as rocks
@@jadedjade584 100kicks per leg into a heavy bag alone, let alone pad work, during a training session condition shins well. No need to go kicking trees or things like that👍
Also running a few miles a few times a week conditions shin bones just nicely from the micro impacts from running
@James Raineree Pino a tree
I swear best martial arts intro on youtube... beat, visuals and timing.
Ayeee, let’s go
I think Muay Thai delivers the hardest blow, because there's alot of focus on power, speed and endurance. The way of wrecking your opponent quickly, that may follow with elbows and knees, if the enemy is still standing.
TERRANCE OUT
I agree!
Muay Thai: the best art in my life 🖤🇹🇭
@@SenseiSeth i think sensei seth kicks harder than the muai thai bald guy👌🏻
@@vino13gadgetsatbpa57 muaythai most stronger kick
@@vino13gadgetsatbpa57 Seth has more weight on it.
I learnt Wado Ryu karate and we kick the way the TKD person kicks too. What I was taught is that this is so the opponent doesn't know which kick it's going to be till the very end.
Love it! Super foot style
Ye the TKD kick seems familliar. In German Jiu Jitsu we learn it the same for competition, our striking is Karate based
Sad, traditional or original, Wado chambers the leg at the hip as with shotokan.
I noticed that too, Wado Dan grades required specific knee lift and pivot for front based kicking.
I was looking to see if anyone mentioned that, same here. Wado I was taught was as per the TKD kick, although I must say I have seen some in our club doing it like Seth is showing.
Did karate as a kid and Muay Thai now. My trainer recently taught me to raise my knee like I'm checking, then flip my hips and throw the kick. I used to do it all in one fluid motion. Now I kind of separate the two. I felt a power difference immediately.
Props for actually discussing the merits of different martial arts and giving each a shot. This is how we should treat each other's disciplines, with respect.
Lol this is great. I was taught by Robinson’s TKD. We were a hybrid of boxing, muay Thai and TKD. From my experience, tkd really built up my kicks as in my dexterity and better hip rotation. And Muay Thai really just toughened me up and I would kick with my foot but blast it like a Muay Thai kick.
Seems like a great combo!
Been watching these videos and muai Thai definitely is the one I just wanna jump out my chair and do lol
Great video. I think you nailed it when you spoke to the extremes of the approaches of TKD vs MT, and the in between.
For TKD I was taught that speed is the key to force (i.e. F = MA). As a stocky guy with a tendency to muscle through things, it was a wonderful way to reframe my mindset. One of the things drilled into our heads was to kick without taking a (telegraphing) step with the front foot. Another concept was to fully pivot off the back leg. Doing so helps eat up a lot of distance (with a slight hop you can even allow the momentum of the initial drive forward to slide you closer to your target). The version shown was a classic kick, but there are other nuances that can be applied. For example, a cut kick will come up and under the ribs. In another version we come across and through (like you explained your Karate kick), as well as down.
Again, great video.
Ironically, the fact that i train in both Taekwondo and Muay Thai has led to me developing a style of roundhouse kick that is in fact, closest to Karate - a martial art i've never formally trained in.
did you like Taekwondo better or Muay Thai??
@@slurpee4203 I like them equally, I think, but i'm probably a little better at Muay Thai. I'm not very good at remembering forms for Taekwondo.
@@jetsilveravenger ahhh okay
Man most of the karate that they teach nowadays is designed not for self-defense but more for discipline and even Fitness. And especially here in America it's watered down but Muay Thai is a different animal all together. Once you start training Muay Thai you realize the damage it does is like a bear mauling you compared to most karate techniques which is kind of like a dog bite in comparison
Brutality level;
Taekwondo: Scalpel
Karate: Sledgehammer
Muay Thai: Chainsaw
U mean Muay Thai is a sledgehammer.
a Bulldozer 😎
Muay Thai is like a shotgun
This is all good, Seth! Two things. For me, I found the most power by saving the hip as long as possible until kicking it in, and kicking the air too much was the worst thing for my joints. Years ago, I decided to only hit a decent target for resistance to the kick power. That has allowed me to keep active well beyond most.
I like the breakdown!! and theres def a difference in kicking air
you dindn't have proper technique, you should train knowing there is a risk you'd hit the air, you didn't shadow enough, it allowed you to keep active well beyond most sounds like copium for me
@@olionor Still doing pretty well. My technique is fine. Most of my contemporaries can't train anymore due to joint injuries. How are you doing, or are you just a young talker?
@@olionor I'm still doing pretty well. My technique is fine. Most of my contemporaries can no longer train due to joint injuries. How are you doing or are you just a young talker?
"the roundhouse kick is simple"
me: had to spend months learning how to get something even close "ah"
Hahaha
Simple=\=easy
@@jansettler4828 true, but it was still embarrassing
@@Skipmunk85 Most of the Judo throws I learn are "simple" but since I have the bodily mechanics IQ of a dead whale it takes me ages to make them work even vs mild resistance
Same here & then came the switch kick...
I learnt that all martial arts offer some great technique. Choose the ones that suit your goals
Bam!
I'm a kickboxing instructor and a lifelong Martial artist, I loved this. I see similarities in all. But I favor the Muay Thai round kick. I love the whip feeling I get when I land. ❤️
Glad you liked it!!
There a lot of things you can learn from different styles. Each have their strengths and application. This is awesome
:D yea
When I teach a "roundhouse kick" it's like the Karate example (which is how I've been taught in traditional TKD). When I spar it's often more like the Muay Thai example. The TKD teacher is demonstrating what we would call an Upward Angle Kick.
I just started Muay Thai a month ago ,my teacher roundhouses me and I feel like my body’s cut in half
Why would a teacher roundhoused a beginner.? smh. these "teachers" nowadays. get a better gym
@@faristont4561 they were probably sparing and OP told the teach not to hold back
@@MuslimanDardania why would a beginner be allowed to spar
@@WeirdBulldog to see how good they are naturally, then go from there, heck just for fun even
@@MuslimanDardania I train in MMA, Muay Thai & Kick boxing is my strength, usually where i train they don't let you spat until you technique is good as well as your cardio
I've sparred real hard against different versions of the roundhouse. Yes they may be different but in all honesty, they all will hurt. Its all meant to hurt so anyone well trained will do the job just fine. Lol.
They all def hurt
@@SenseiSeth yes they will. I miss those days not being able to sit on the toilet because of receiving too many leg kicks hahah. Thanks for the video man. 👍
@Matthew Dave lol..yes they will haha. Talk about not skipping leg day haha
TKD: 45mm fully automatic sniper rifle
Karate: 50bmg semi-automatic sniper rifle
Muay Thai: straight up tiger tank
As a kukkiwon black belt in Tae Kwon Do, it's really incredible to see the basics taught the same way universally. I was taught this exact way, hundreds of miles away 20ish years ago.
Really incredible to see.
So as a life long TKD guy when I started learning Muay Thai and my coach showed me his roundhouse kick I had some MAJOR problems with it. The way the Muay Thai Master in this video showed it fixed all the problems I had. I'm going to start implementing these changes ASAP!
Did it help?
@@DUDEBroHey indeed it did. Quite a lot actually!
I absolutely love the Muay Thai kick. The cortical thickening on the shin along with the mechanics and the extra momentum gained by striking with the leg instead if the feet WILL break bones (of course reach is sacrificed but some smart footwork and setups mitigate that).
TKD kicks are harder to read and definitely are awesome with how fast they can be executed after another, but look up buakaw and see how easily that man can launch those devastating kicks after another.
All of those kicks will do damage but there is nothing like a good thai kick slicing through the heavy bag.
Fantastic video! I started in sport karate and moved over to Muay Thai. Took me the longest time to stop trying to control my kicks and re-chamber it so much lol. I basically had to unlearn it.
The funny thing is that now I’m looking for ways to bring it back and implement it more in my MT. Sun goes up, sun goes down 🌅 😅.
Exactly!!
Not chambering and chambering is a different feeling tbh..
MT Teacher: Yeah so what you want to do is open up your hips then drive through...
Sensei Seth: Like this? *bag explodes*
MT Teacher: ⚆ _ ⚆
😂😂😂
His Muay Thai kick wasn't perfect (still good) but damn it had some power!
@@scottmcinerney9817 i think is normal that you lose some technique when applying for combat 🤔
Yeah I noticed that too
its all about the power, sometimes people tend to push the object instead of actually generating power
I especially like that you are looking at different variations and you said, "think how you can apply it to your next roundhouse kick." Bravo. Always be learning.
During COVID having to train by myself. These videos are so helpful. Thank you.
I’m super happy to hear it!!
Lots of similar concepts, but execution was so different!
It was cool to see the small things they both said but didn’t know were similar
The TKD round house I learned was was similar to your last round house with a set up similar to the muay thai back leg. Notice your floor bound foot (the last kick with front foot) you did on the bag. Your foot turned 180 degrees with a slight air slide forward. But imagine that the with the rear foot coming around the corner with a tight chamber. Also in the set up, your chamber comes up beside your hips while spinning 90 degrees toward your target. The mix gives you power similar to the muay thai kick with the similar look to the karate style. The first TKD kick is more for point sparring and is similar to what we called a slant kick. The only difference there is the angle maintains the same arc to slip under the elbow guard. Targets right above the hip under the ribs, and wants to exit the shoulder on the opposite side. Makes the soft internals feel like it got cut up in a blender.
Love your videos, Seth! My experience is in ITF Tae Kwon-Do, and I relate more to your Karate than the TKD in your videos. Roundhouse is a great example! Only difference is that we would place the foot down in front after the re-chamber so as to not linger in a single post stance, then step or slide back for the next rep. I’d be interested in hearing the reasoning of bringing one’s kicking leg back to original stance after delivery, if that ever becomes convenient for you. Very much appreciate your work of bringing different styles together! Thank you for sharing your hard work and for making it so entertaining and informative! Please, keep it up!
Very good vid! I have done both traditional karate as well as TKD (but not muay thai). I stay away from the attitude of which is "better" and focus more on "what works for you." Thanks for the vid! In my original style of karate, my Sensei's way of doing this kick was the only "right" way. After studying TKD and full contact karate, I now have more "right way" to do things - like having three different kinds of hammers, all for a different purpose.
I learned the last second rotation roundhouse as a way to confuse someone we also taught a roundhouse that has a lot more turn and digs in for power, but my gm was an old school teacher that trained the Korean military so we kept a lot of the older style too
thats awesome!
I've been doing muay Thai for a year and a half my kru was demonstrating a set of combinations he just touched my leg with his shin! It felt like a rock lol
Great video Seth! Muay Thai seems to be a more of a dead leg swing with the hips. Or at least that's how I was explained it works. Very powerful.
Thanks Michael!! And sorta, they emphasize their recoil a lot
No click bait. Straight to the point. Great content.
15:43 your arm explanation helped more than the entire video I’m not even joking.
I just got into your channel and it’s probably my favorite
Thanks!!!
Karate, Taekwondo, Muay Thai, all three disciplines, it is the art of using the body as a weapon. How intense the fight is depends on the person's body.
Great video. Very informative. I study TKD, but according to your video, my roundhouse is more Karate than TKD. At my school, we practice the switch kick, sort of like your Muay Thai instructor had you do, but we do it with a chamber.
I hope, though I'm never kicked with a well executed Muay Thai round kick. It looks very painful.
Thanks my man!! Muay Thai Kicks are brutal
Yeah I studied Tae kwon do for over 5 years and at my school we practiced the round house just like your karate round house. Funny thing was I did a free trial at a karate school after I decided to stop tae kwon do and the instructor/owner was asking me to show him my kicks and was telling me oh that's not like a tkd round house kick that's like this or that or that's not I tkd back kick that's like this. I didn't end up going there I ended up going to a different karate gym for a few.
Showing it with the arm like that the diferent kicks really made me understand, Thank you so much!!
The way you broke it down and using you arm, is best I’ve heard / seen when explaining the difference of the 3 different styles.
I did full-contact karate before, the trick to throwing the round house kick is to have a triangle formed from ankle, knee, and hips. Their kicks are meant to be below the chest height and transitioning to other technique were essential.
This is a great vid I did not know the differences bewteen the kicks at all.
ayee, hope it helps!!
I remember from somewhere that Muay Thai kicks are like baseball bats and Karate (and in extend, Tae Kwon Do) kicks are like whips
how does the tkd guy not break his foot if he accidentally kicks someone's elbow, for example? Not trying to throw shade, WT Olympic TKD is my favorite sport to watch and I'd really like to incorporate the TKD roundhouse into my repertoire. Any chance you'll be able to have him on for a Q&A where he breaks down some of the philosophies of TKD and what he feels makes it a rich martial art?
@@prvtthd401 Broken feet do happen usually during training but it's not as common as you would think. Because those kicks are sport oriented they are usually kicking a padded target with a padded foot. In traditional non sport TKD they also train to hit with the shin and ball of the foot in addition to the instep/top of the foot. It all depends on their purpose for training.
I heard people say they use the muay thai style for the body but for accurate kicks for the head they use tkd/karate kicks
Pro File well for me i was taught to use the top and the shin shin if im a bit closer and top if im a bot father either all versions are good its about how you use them
@JW A Its common to hit with the ball of the foot in TKD, especially if its more of a traditional TKD and not entirely for sport. Not weird at all.
If you don’t want to break your foot, try to make sure you turn over the hip all the way. I used to slam my foot on elbows all the time. I learned when you rotate the hips fully into the target, your foot goes fully across and into the target.
Knowing all the variations of these techniques is the reason you impressed everybody in this video with your power. I can tell you weren't always a spry one. Your mentality is pure gold, and that's what brings you so much success. Just got into your videos through Icy Mike, and I'm blown away man.
As a brown belt and competing kyokushin practitioner I gotta say that you nailed the karate kicks pretty well. It really sits somewhere in between the tae kwon do and muay thai kick. We aim for a lot of speed and power from the body & the hip (similar to muay thai), but also for a nice fast snap at the end (like tae kwon do). A nice thing is that a good kyokushin practitioner could easily learn to throw both muay thai and tae kwon do kicks because they already have the power, hip and the snap movements in their arsenal.
Great content!
In karate, at least Shotokan, Kihon roundhouse hits with the ball of the foot. Hitting with the top of the foot is for competition and sparring :)
U can kick with the instep as well in kihon.
I have done Shito-Ryu karate and there is also the emphasis on using the ball of the foot rather than the top. My Sensei said that this was because one could break the bones of the foot by using the top. However, I have also studied TKD and full contact. In my experience, using the ball of the foot results in a very awkward angle of the hips - un-natural. In a self defense situation, the vast majority of the time one would be wearing shoes or something, so not only would the shoe protect the top of the foot, but also would make it very difficult to actually use the ball of the foot. Also, I find that if I use the top of my foot to make the contact, I gain at least 6 to 8 inches more reach.
Well, I recently switched from Shito-Ryu to Wado-Ryu, in the second there are 2 variations of the Mawashi-Geri (Roundhouse-kick), the standard one hitting with the Heisoku (top) and the Ko-Mawashi-Geri, hitting with the ball of the foot (Koshi). The Sensei tells us that the second one is much more dangerous- for both the user (if not trained well the foot or hits in an awkward angle) and the target( the impact is much more precise and deep). Usually we train the standard one, and I feel much more comfortable with that one- but maybe because i'm not too advanced. *shurggs*.
@@brettbarager9101, the point is knowing WHEN to do it. Try breaking using the instep. Also, sidekicks should never use the knife edge, but people are still taught to do it, because it is not stable and the heel has more force due to hip to heel alignment but may be okay for for that never thrown throat sidekick.
In the street with shoes on, instep seemed safer for me than the ball of the foot, but to each their own nonetheless.
After seeing all three, I kick like you, Seth. A mix of both and we usually kick with the foot. The TKD guy was going way up on the ball of his foot and I've always been discouraged from doing that. But I don't like the way they go forward first and then turn the hip at the end. It's weird.
Now after thinking about it more, the two hardest things about switching to the MT roundhouse last night was a) not chambering, and b) taking that little offsetting step so you can swing your hip. It was a little tricky, but it worked well once I got it down.
Mixing it up!!! Love it
What similarities do you see with each one?!
I feel like Tkd would be real nice to disguise as a teep or snap kick, karate would be nice to slip through a gaurd once you get somebody trying to deflect a Thai kick, kinda like cro cop used to do.
did you need the vest on the pad since the instructor kicked too hard? (sorry, had to be that guy, too tempting 😂)
They are kicks ;v
Mawashi Geri's weapon can also be ball of foot in karate. In fact to facilitate that, style like Shotokan really emphasizes picking up the leg behind the body to prepare. Sorry answered the question of differences instead of similarities :)
I don’t wanna get hit by any of these in the street.
You, Sensie Seth, my friend, are a true Martial Artist. Your knowledge, appreciation, understanding, respect for the different disciplines plus your ability to utilise them is real and very refreshing!! You get it. I can dig it.
Carry on, good Sir. 👍🏾🥋🥊❤🙏🏾
Four of my favorite martial arts are Wushu/Sanshou, Karate, Taekwondo and Muay Thai. Thanks for sharing this video.
My system of Karate is a Hybrid of Shito-Ryu, ITF Taekwondo and a Korean style called So Rim Sa Churl Kwon Do, which has close lineage to the styles that evolved into kempo. So we do all three styles of kicks.
Thats sick! love the range
Vince Lowndes , what styles evolved into Kempo?
9:01 His face when he realizes muay thai kick is way stronger
Way stronger yes. Too much telegraphing.
as others have said, each style has its advantages
I just noticed that MuayThai(มวยไทย) has been so popular in international
Okay I'm thai and I've just noticed this
i do absolutely no martial art training.. but i enjoyed this video.. very well done mate
Wow, that’s pretty dope to hear!
Great video on the 3 different kinds of roundhouses. All have different pros and cons but all super effective as well.
Bam! 👏🙏
Love when Seth trying the Muay Thai kick, he has the Muay Thai rythem and bounce
When he said “use every style” I was like yeah my whole life’s been like that 😂😂
5:01 the form is godly
You are SUCH a good communicator - thank you for this!
This is probably the best explanation I've come across. Thanks!!!
When he said very very sneaky sir it was definitely a reference to mr.deeds
You darn right! Lolo
Everybody reading this go watch it on Netflix it’s a really good movie
Good thing for TKD kick is their opponent wake up in hospital,but Mt kick just send them straight to Mortuary.
Thought I was hallucinating when seeing that chest piece on the pad😅
maybe you were, you good bud?!
What chest piece?
Your videos have motivated me to return to practicing martial arts (taekwondo for me) keep up the good work!
This is great. It explains to me why you rarely ever see head kick knockouts in muay thai. Thank you.
When I was doing boxing I found my self doing orthodox stance, (Im right handed) but after TKD and going into MMA, I found my self being a south paw. I was wondering if you ever thought about doing a video going over the pros and cons of these stances, and the uses of being able to switch between them.
I never realized how much I depend on reading lips.
yea i felt the same way editing it
a strong Muay Thai kick can chop down a tree!
well, a banana tree lol
@@SenseiSeth 🤣
Yeah its way more powerful than any other kick
yeah good luck cutting down an oak tree, banana trees are much softer, but muay thai kicks hurt like all hell nonetheless
One thing that usually helps for a bit more power to combine with the chamber/snappiness of the TKD and karate kicks you're showing is to try and push the hip through a bit more, which combines with the base foot pivoting to 160-180 away from the target. It's almost a feeling of stretching out. When you're kicking towards a mirror and practicing in the air, it's like putting your butt in instead of leaving it sticking out. It may take more flexibility, but I can load a lot more power, though it's a slightly slower recovery if you miss compared to a more typical TKD kick. I haven't before, but I can try to make a video if that doesn't make clear sense the way I described it if people are curious.