As a musician and anime nerd as well, I love this! You should consider discussing the band behind the anime intro! Like going over the story behind artists like Creepy Nuts or Maximum the Hormone. Keep it up brother!
I’d argue there are some songs that are 100% acid jazz, but a lot of it also isn’t fully jazz and is more like a blend. I’ve asked my dad, musician of 40 years about this opinion. Tracks like Whims of Fate and Crossroads are defo jazz, but yeah, Life will Change or beneath the mask I’d agree with you
Wdym no Jazz ? As a musician yourself you should know that Jazz is more of an umbrella term, there's multiple sub gender of Jazz such as Hard bop, Cool, soul jazz, Jazz funk ect..; The type of jazz you hear a lot in Persona 5 is called Acid Jazz, saying there's no jazz in Persona 5 makes no sense whatsoever. Pretty disappointing to say the least. Even more coming from a musician. It doesn’t matter if he contradicted himself to a certain degree later on in the video, he stated: « I would argue there’s no Jazz in any of those games, especially Persona 5 », debate is closed, he’s wrong. For people who think it was irony: It wasn’t irony. Why am I saying that ? Because later in the video he says: « Acid Jazz is not technically Jazz » which is simply not true, if we were to follow his reasoning most if not all Jazz sub gender wouldn’t be Jazz, which is not the case, and that’s why we call it sub gender, that’s basic knowledge for anyone, even more for a musician student. And don’t tell me it’s just his opinion because there’s no opinion when things are factual, you either accept the facts or keep yourself in your delusion.
@@akpade when he says "you should check out the video" it doesn't mean "watch only the first minute". Just 3:44 in, and you would have noticed the mention of "Acid Jazz"
Acid Jazz is such a genre. The visual predecessor to Persona 5, Catherine & Catherine (there's a great video about it somewhere on RUclips) has a version of the opening song called "Yo - Acid Jazz Ver." This was how I found out P5's real genre, and I'm STILL JEALOUS OF JOKER for being such a cool guy, both personally and socially 😭
For all yall looking for that Persona 5 sound, definitely check out Jamiroquai's Return of the Space Cowboy. That's the album with the strongest resemblance imo
1:27 You dont know anything about the first 3 games so why call them half baked? -"H*lter is in persona 2" is so overused and it's not even correct if you actually played the game. -Shin megami tensei: persona was only called that in the Western release of the psp remaster. It's not hard to research dude lmao
The soundtracks of the 3 most recent Persona have had dominant musical themes as distinct as their color overtones. P3 was all about the blue, which fits its slick moody aesthetic. It also mostly takes place in a bustling early 2000's metropolian district, so a hip hop vibe makes perfect sense. Lotus Juice is going hard in the verses of Mass Destruction and Iwatodai Dorm. P4 is yellow, or perhaps "golden" if you will. Kind of like a sunny day in the sleepy rural hamlet of Inaba. It's also a complete tonal whiplash from the towering skyscrapers blocking out the daylight and brooding dark hour exploration of Tartarus in P3. The music here is much, much more instrumental - guitar driven, with some more rebellious lyrical themes; think I'll Face Myself and Reach Out to the Truth. As for P5, well, she's definitely the lady in red of the three and she's most at home crooning in a speakeasy from the roaring 20's. Naturally, the themes for most of the tracks are extremely important in jazz: Rhythmic syncopation, swing time and complex tonality. These musical components so entrenched in the the presentation as a whole that, shortly after the original launch, someone on the internet set the intro animation of P5 to the music from the opening of Cowboy Bebop, and as far as I could tell, with very few or no edits at all to the timing of the imagery. It just worked. Perfectly. While the style would certainly be classified as more acid jazz and jazz/rock fusion overall, Wake Up, Get Up, Get Out There is just a straight up, flat-out big band tune and it's freaking glorious. There are few themes that are pretty omnipresent "meat and potatoes" of the musicality, like the catchy J-Pop vocals and general "bounce" of the tempo as well as the iconic and hauntingly beautiful Aria of the Soul, but these are kind of like chocobos in a Final Fantasy thematically speaking: They just kind of need to be there, but nobody's complaining. As a guitarist who played in metal bands in addition to studying western classical musical theory and jazz theory/guitar performance in college, this is why I like the soundtracks of P4 and P5 just a little more than P3 (though P3 was my first introduction to the series and probably is still my favorite game of the three entries we're taking about here). It's definitely worth mentioning that there's a ton of variation in all three scores and some of those outliers are among my favorites. Unavoidable Battle in P3, Backside of the TV in P4 and Rivers in the Desert from P5 all come to mind. I think we also need to talk about the Persona Q soundtrack too. It was so freaking good! Everything I love about the music of 3,4 and 5 baked into one and surgically implanted in the pleasure center of my brain. Maze of Life? Light the Fire up in the Night? Laser Beam? Holy crap - EPIC. This was a fun video.
Reminds me on Adam Neely's video on Laufey, who's been marketed and regarded as the Gen-Z mediator to jazz while having more in common with mid-century popstars (Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Ella Fitzgerald etc.) who, while frequently collaborating and associating with the jazz community, were more for the general listening audience, especially as jazz standards grew less and less popular with the rise of rock n roll, becoming the nostalgic bygone it's regarded as today, which the artist herself seeks to emulate without really engaging too seriously with jazz as a genre In persona's case you can definitely hear the variety of musical inspiration used, from classical to hip-hop and acid jazz and so forth, and I'd expand on the point you make in the video - Meguro uses his inherent j-music brush and dips it in uniquely specific sonic palettes for each persona game, not just to infuse it with the same vibrant spirit, but also to pull us deeper into each game's atmosphere by using music people draw from People know persona 3 for its moody, urbane feel and seemingly callous protagonist, and the whole "too cool for school" vibe of hip-hop, and what it represented during its 80s/90s really pairs with it, as an example, but you would never call "Mass Destruction" hip-hop because it has rap - its just a j-pop pastiche! Meguro (and by extension, lotus juice) have a lot of respect for the music they pull from, but calling persona "jazz" (looking at you, persona 5) really diminishes the perception of both the music-making legacy of jazz and how genuinely awesome the persona sound is as it's own thing Its not jazz, it's PERSONA!
Thing is, people want easy answers. They want someone to explain something really complicated and difficult to phrase in 5 minutes or less. And sometimes you can't do that, because there are no hard answers and everything is just kind of wishy-washy and needs to be figured out by trial end error. Ngl, that's exactly why I got here. I wanted an easy answer too, but classifying Meguro's scores as one genre or sub-genre just isn't going to cut it.
bro acid jazz is totally jazz imo - just one of many ways in which it's blossomed over time. jazz as a genre is about breaking conventions and creating a new status quo .. i don't think it's entirely fair to say acid jazz isn't a natural progression of this concept. acid jazz was built on the work of black musicians the same way that trad. jazz was. it would not exist without the fusion of trad. jazz, soul, and hip hop. jazz is more than just a style or sound - it's a musical movement
Whether it's the 80s electronic piano, that classical like regular piano, the persona 3 reverby guitars, the electric rock guitars, the organ, the drumkit, and chill electric bass guitar all make these games so distinct. I'd argue persona music or Japanese music which there's a lot of stuff that includes these instrumental elements are in a league of their own and they are quite special. Because of it I hope to travel to Japan and even meet and work with some of these musicians.
Listen to the mainstream music in japan of whatever year each one came out and it will sound like Persona. 2006 M-Flo sounds like Persona 3 Also Maya is best girl. "Let's positive thinking!"
I'm personally a Yukiko Amagi guy. My girl gets a lot of hate, but I accept her as she is. Considering that I also like Haru, I'm probably into the feminine and gentle kind of girls who also a little bit psycho.
Persona 3: Chihiro Fushimi and Fuuka Persona 4: Rise kujikawa Persona 5 Kasumi and Futaba My Favorite out of all of them is Rise kujikawa she's definitely best girl
"persona is anime" is the realest thing ive ever heard. also persona 2 is amazing hop off my goat also cause you asked michelle is my favorite virtual gf
What is the name you said for the musician? I’ve replayed it a few times but I can’t seem to hear you right. I keep hearing jah-meer aye-goi, but after looking that up as Jamir Agoi I still found nothing. Edit: It’s Jamiroquai for anyone wondering. I did a reverse image search of the photo he flashed and found it.
It's no wonder the thumbnail is so clickbaity The video isnt much better actually Every step of the way that you say "actually it's [more specific genre of jazz or specific genre that is VERY jazz-inspired]" But even at that you keep saying "its not technically jazz" Hey man I don't think you actually know what jazz is, jfc. Jazz is an umbrella term. What is this parallel universe I have stumbled into? Lol. Dont get me wrong I genuinely appreciate the effort and the care that went into this! As a very avid jazz fan, i just find myself frustrated by your phrasing. Perhaps the fact that you had to keep things concise here is why the phrasing feels off to me, i don't know.
I was mainly disappointed with Persona 5’s OST because when people mentioned Jazz when talking about the OST I was expecting contemporary/free jazz. Stuff like “Pressure Point” by Duncan Lamont or anything by Ornette Coleman. So when playing the game, the OST was good but it was not what I was expecting.
Jazz was always clashing of cultures and their music originally starting with afroamerican blues and european classical music which then spread to latin america which gave us bossa nova back to USA and then Japan to create Jazz fusion and acid jazz. What best describes jazz is swing tempo, spontaneity and ability of this music to be interpreted in different ways as the artists sees fit with solos. The last part can't be implemented due to the fact songs in the game aren't quite adaptive but pure recordings so yes a lot of songs in Persona soundtrack are Jazz, not bebop, not avant-garde not modal jazz but fusion and acid jazz. Jazz is meant to change not stay the same that's why it exists, because someone wanted to defy the classical music standards that europe was so akin to.
It's funny I just started P5 Royal for the first time and my I was having a mental breakdown after I found out the game doesn't have any jazz songs. I thought I was having a stroke bc the one fact I knew before playing the game is that it had jazz in it. I guess the joke about cultureless zoomers is even funnier with this knowledge.
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That "Virtual Insanity" bit was spot on 😂
5:11 a tear is an understatement that was like 2 days of opening the game to hear the credits and cry
As a musician and anime nerd as well, I love this! You should consider discussing the band behind the anime intro! Like going over the story behind artists like Creepy Nuts or Maximum the Hormone. Keep it up brother!
I have heard so much about creepy nuts these past days😭
It's City Pop, basically japanese jazz musicians playing what they interpreted to be western pop music. It was huge in the 80s.
meguro osts always have a recognisable vibe
I’d argue there are some songs that are 100% acid jazz, but a lot of it also isn’t fully jazz and is more like a blend. I’ve asked my dad, musician of 40 years about this opinion. Tracks like Whims of Fate and Crossroads are defo jazz, but yeah, Life will Change or beneath the mask I’d agree with you
I've never seen someone relate those two but you're absolutely right, I love persona's songs and Jamiroquai is, indeed, my favorite band
Yeah, you got me on P5 OST and Jamiroquai, they both are just fire
🔥🔥🔥
Wdym no Jazz ? As a musician yourself you should know that Jazz is more of an umbrella term, there's multiple sub gender of Jazz such as Hard bop, Cool, soul jazz, Jazz funk ect..; The type of jazz you hear a lot in Persona 5 is called Acid Jazz, saying there's no jazz in Persona 5 makes no sense whatsoever. Pretty disappointing to say the least. Even more coming from a musician.
It doesn’t matter if he contradicted himself to a certain degree later on in the video, he stated: « I would argue there’s no Jazz in any of those games, especially Persona 5 », debate is closed, he’s wrong.
For people who think it was irony:
It wasn’t irony. Why am I saying that ? Because later in the video he says: « Acid Jazz is not technically Jazz » which is simply not true, if we were to follow his reasoning most if not all Jazz sub gender wouldn’t be Jazz, which is not the case, and that’s why we call it sub gender, that’s basic knowledge for anyone, even more for a musician student. And don’t tell me it’s just his opinion because there’s no opinion when things are factual, you either accept the facts or keep yourself in your delusion.
Respectfully, you should check out the video
@@thebowlcut-m4q ? You did say that Persona 5 doesnt contain Jazz, maybe you forgot ?
Lol that must be it
@@thebowlcut-m4q « I’d argue that none of those games have Jazz, including this one (Persona 5) »
Quiet literally said it buddy.
@@akpade when he says "you should check out the video" it doesn't mean "watch only the first minute". Just 3:44 in, and you would have noticed the mention of "Acid Jazz"
I did not cry at the credits song!
The piano version before, though?
Hoo boy.
Kevin Lomax telling us about persona OST and meguro... It looks like this was something i needed
Acid Jazz is such a genre. The visual predecessor to Persona 5, Catherine & Catherine (there's a great video about it somewhere on RUclips) has a version of the opening song called "Yo - Acid Jazz Ver." This was how I found out P5's real genre, and I'm STILL JEALOUS OF JOKER for being such a cool guy, both personally and socially 😭
0:39 OUR ELEPHANT!!!! BEST CHOOSE, FOR BEST MAN
"jamiroquai" is the band mentioned in think. I spent far too long looking for "Jimmy Eurigwhy".
For all yall looking for that Persona 5 sound, definitely check out Jamiroquai's Return of the Space Cowboy. That's the album with the strongest resemblance imo
1:27 You dont know anything about the first 3 games so why call them half baked?
-"H*lter is in persona 2" is so overused and it's not even correct if you actually played the game.
-Shin megami tensei: persona was only called that in the Western release of the psp remaster.
It's not hard to research dude lmao
thank you
wasnt it called smt revelations or something in the original ps1 release
@necrotafeio Megami Ibunroku Persona in Japan and Revelations: Persona in North America
Old persona games always catching the smoke.
@@MattHorton your reply doesn't matter
Bro got the calculator pockets
The soundtracks of the 3 most recent Persona have had dominant musical themes as distinct as their color overtones.
P3 was all about the blue, which fits its slick moody aesthetic. It also mostly takes place in a bustling early 2000's metropolian district, so a hip hop vibe makes perfect sense. Lotus Juice is going hard in the verses of Mass Destruction and Iwatodai Dorm.
P4 is yellow, or perhaps "golden" if you will. Kind of like a sunny day in the sleepy rural hamlet of Inaba. It's also a complete tonal whiplash from the towering skyscrapers blocking out the daylight and brooding dark hour exploration of Tartarus in P3. The music here is much, much more instrumental - guitar driven, with some more rebellious lyrical themes; think I'll Face Myself and Reach Out to the Truth.
As for P5, well, she's definitely the lady in red of the three and she's most at home crooning in a speakeasy from the roaring 20's. Naturally, the themes for most of the tracks are extremely important in jazz: Rhythmic syncopation, swing time and complex tonality. These musical components so entrenched in the the presentation as a whole that, shortly after the original launch, someone on the internet set the intro animation of P5 to the music from the opening of Cowboy Bebop, and as far as I could tell, with very few or no edits at all to the timing of the imagery. It just worked. Perfectly. While the style would certainly be classified as more acid jazz and jazz/rock fusion overall, Wake Up, Get Up, Get Out There is just a straight up, flat-out big band tune and it's freaking glorious.
There are few themes that are pretty omnipresent "meat and potatoes" of the musicality, like the catchy J-Pop vocals and general "bounce" of the tempo as well as the iconic and hauntingly beautiful Aria of the Soul, but these are kind of like chocobos in a Final Fantasy thematically speaking: They just kind of need to be there, but nobody's complaining.
As a guitarist who played in metal bands in addition to studying western classical musical theory and jazz theory/guitar performance in college, this is why I like the soundtracks of P4 and P5 just a little more than P3 (though P3 was my first introduction to the series and probably is still my favorite game of the three entries we're taking about here).
It's definitely worth mentioning that there's a ton of variation in all three scores and some of those outliers are among my favorites. Unavoidable Battle in P3, Backside of the TV in P4 and Rivers in the Desert from P5 all come to mind.
I think we also need to talk about the Persona Q soundtrack too. It was so freaking good! Everything I love about the music of 3,4 and 5 baked into one and surgically implanted in the pleasure center of my brain. Maze of Life? Light the Fire up in the Night? Laser Beam? Holy crap - EPIC.
This was a fun video.
Lotus Juice did not rap on Iwatodai Station. It's a sample pack.
@brightonic That is true for the original, but he did provide a rendition for the P3 Reload OST remix
Reminds me on Adam Neely's video on Laufey, who's been marketed and regarded as the Gen-Z mediator to jazz while having more in common with mid-century popstars (Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Ella Fitzgerald etc.) who, while frequently collaborating and associating with the jazz community, were more for the general listening audience, especially as jazz standards grew less and less popular with the rise of rock n roll, becoming the nostalgic bygone it's regarded as today, which the artist herself seeks to emulate without really engaging too seriously with jazz as a genre
In persona's case you can definitely hear the variety of musical inspiration used, from classical to hip-hop and acid jazz and so forth, and I'd expand on the point you make in the video - Meguro uses his inherent j-music brush and dips it in uniquely specific sonic palettes for each persona game, not just to infuse it with the same vibrant spirit, but also to pull us deeper into each game's atmosphere by using music people draw from
People know persona 3 for its moody, urbane feel and seemingly callous protagonist, and the whole "too cool for school" vibe of hip-hop, and what it represented during its 80s/90s really pairs with it, as an example, but you would never call "Mass Destruction" hip-hop because it has rap - its just a j-pop pastiche!
Meguro (and by extension, lotus juice) have a lot of respect for the music they pull from, but calling persona "jazz" (looking at you, persona 5) really diminishes the perception of both the music-making legacy of jazz and how genuinely awesome the persona sound is as it's own thing
Its not jazz, it's PERSONA!
Very well said, and that Laufey video is great
Thing is, people want easy answers. They want someone to explain something really complicated and difficult to phrase in 5 minutes or less. And sometimes you can't do that, because there are no hard answers and everything is just kind of wishy-washy and needs to be figured out by trial end error.
Ngl, that's exactly why I got here. I wanted an easy answer too, but classifying Meguro's scores as one genre or sub-genre just isn't going to cut it.
I'm only a third of the way into this video but I need you to help me find more music like Persona 3
bro acid jazz is totally jazz imo - just one of many ways in which it's blossomed over time. jazz as a genre is about breaking conventions and creating a new status quo .. i don't think it's entirely fair to say acid jazz isn't a natural progression of this concept. acid jazz was built on the work of black musicians the same way that trad. jazz was. it would not exist without the fusion of trad. jazz, soul, and hip hop. jazz is more than just a style or sound - it's a musical movement
Great video! I’ve always considered P4’s music to be specifically city pop.
Nah I only cry to the persona 3 memories of you
erm actually shoji meguro didn't work on persona 3 reload *nerd emoji*
ok i do want to disagree with the evaluation of Persona 1 and 2. they're not half baked. just different
Whether it's the 80s electronic piano, that classical like regular piano, the persona 3 reverby guitars, the electric rock guitars, the organ, the drumkit, and chill electric bass guitar all make these games so distinct. I'd argue persona music or Japanese music which there's a lot of stuff that includes these instrumental elements are in a league of their own and they are quite special. Because of it I hope to travel to Japan and even meet and work with some of these musicians.
0:39 what is bro playing on bro all that’s there is a dvd player💀
a lot of modern tvs have game pass streaming, so maybe it could be that. Not really too sure either
Persona 3- Elizabeth Persona 5-Rise Persona 5-Kasumi
It’s had 4 series and 4 movies plus at least 1 OVA, Persona counts as anime.
Listen to the mainstream music in japan of whatever year each one came out and it will sound like Persona. 2006 M-Flo sounds like Persona 3
Also Maya is best girl. "Let's positive thinking!"
Would love to hear about the SMT 4 OST by Ryota Kozuka
loved this. keep it up! :)
Thought of Jeremy soule and the sound he made for elder scrolls and Harry Potter games
I miss my virtual wife takemi, I need to replay this game asap
fuuka is best girl because it’s fuuka
you meant to say mitsuru
I'm personally a Yukiko Amagi guy. My girl gets a lot of hate, but I accept her as she is. Considering that I also like Haru, I'm probably into the feminine and gentle kind of girls who also a little bit psycho.
You are the first person I see that thinks that we think persona 3, 4 and 5 are Jazz. As acid jazz was conceptly focused on P5
Anyone feel like there's quite a bit of shibuya-key in the persona osts?
Persona 3: Chihiro Fushimi and Fuuka Persona 4: Rise kujikawa
Persona 5 Kasumi and Futaba
My Favorite out of all of them is Rise kujikawa she's definitely best girl
"persona is anime" is the realest thing ive ever heard. also persona 2 is amazing hop off my goat
also cause you asked michelle is my favorite virtual gf
It’s elevator/lounge music with personality (get it? Lol)
as a musician too i love this video
Makoto is the best girl in the Persona games
Yes
Makoto Yuki best girl
best door in the persona games
Chie already have this place
Yeah I really love Doors
Fap fap fap
I LOVE MEGURO’S STYLE!!!!!!
I stayed celibate, because my favorite virtual girlfriend was goro akechi 😔
persona has an anime
kasumi best girl
What is the name you said for the musician? I’ve replayed it a few times but I can’t seem to hear you right.
I keep hearing jah-meer aye-goi, but after looking that up as Jamir Agoi I still found nothing.
Edit: It’s Jamiroquai for anyone wondering. I did a reverse image search of the photo he flashed and found it.
Shoji Meguro.
@ No- he recommends another musician in the video. I know Meguro made persona’s music. Jamiroquai makes some Jazz too!
@@Isaac_Braucht Oh okay.
thankyou for thisss i couldve never sounded that out 😭
@Lucky-xo2de I couldn’t either lol- glad it helped!
It's no wonder the thumbnail is so clickbaity
The video isnt much better actually
Every step of the way that you say "actually it's [more specific genre of jazz or specific genre that is VERY jazz-inspired]"
But even at that you keep saying "its not technically jazz"
Hey man I don't think you actually know what jazz is, jfc. Jazz is an umbrella term. What is this parallel universe I have stumbled into? Lol.
Dont get me wrong I genuinely appreciate the effort and the care that went into this! As a very avid jazz fan, i just find myself frustrated by your phrasing. Perhaps the fact that you had to keep things concise here is why the phrasing feels off to me, i don't know.
Dude is acting like there can be only one type of jazz in the world.
5:21 i see, you're a man of culture
1:03 Bro what the fuck is that interpolation filter 💀💀
Biggest waste of 7 mins ever
I was mainly disappointed with Persona 5’s OST because when people mentioned Jazz when talking about the OST I was expecting contemporary/free jazz. Stuff like “Pressure Point” by Duncan Lamont or anything by Ornette Coleman. So when playing the game, the OST was good but it was not what I was expecting.
Well yeah, not all Jazz music will sound the same or traditional. What were you expecting?
Or maybe I like P5 soundtrack because I liked Jamiroquai (? 🤔 we’ll never know (? Hahaha
Jazz was always clashing of cultures and their music originally starting with afroamerican blues and european classical music which then spread to latin america which gave us bossa nova back to USA and then Japan to create Jazz fusion and acid jazz. What best describes jazz is swing tempo, spontaneity and ability of this music to be interpreted in different ways as the artists sees fit with solos. The last part can't be implemented due to the fact songs in the game aren't quite adaptive but pure recordings so yes a lot of songs in Persona soundtrack are Jazz, not bebop, not avant-garde not modal jazz but fusion and acid jazz. Jazz is meant to change not stay the same that's why it exists, because someone wanted to defy the classical music standards that europe was so akin to.
My life is a lie
I knew it you are a Makoto fan
what is the song used in the very beginning? its so familiar but I cant remember what its from
Good video :D
My life is a lie…
Makoto
There all good so
What a gooood video, you deserve hundrets thousands milions viwes ❤
best video on the internet
Ironic because I consider P5 to have the least mature narrative of all the titles.
Ik
It's funny I just started P5 Royal for the first time and my I was having a mental breakdown after I found out the game doesn't have any jazz songs. I thought I was having a stroke bc the one fact I knew before playing the game is that it had jazz in it.
I guess the joke about cultureless zoomers is even funnier with this knowledge.
Why you acting like all jazz songs have to sound the same?
@allthedumbthingz-oc5cc lol