While I think PNSO makes the best theropods hands down in my opinion, Haolonggood is really coming in to their own with their sauropods and other ornithischians. I eagerly await the arrival of my HG Alamosaurus.
@@Bota7120 Yeah, I would agree with you. On some sculpts they still kind of give that 'toy' vibe vs the more carefully crafted details on the PNSO heads.
@KnyghtErrant I agree with you there! It does seem interesting that while PNSO seems to have really focussed on theropods last year, HLG went with herbivores. They are however doing more theropods than PNSO is doing herbivores (at least to 2023), and I have no doubt they will catch up. The level of sculpting and paint application for a certain price is still done admirably by HLG, and I would have thought that scientific accuracy to be the low-hanging fruit here. i'm sure once HLG overcomes this little hurdle, they will be a fan favourite of most collectors in the West when it comes to Chinese company models.
If there’s anything PNSO is masterful with is their knowledge of anatomy, I still think it’s far superior to HLG’s. I can see this being most people preferred option for its size, but I’m personally more concerned with accuracy and realism.
I have the same thought. The reason I am still on the fence with haolongood is its anatomical accuracy and sculp detail. Every time I see haolongood model review, i feel that their sculp detail does not attract me. Reviewer always mention its a good value for the money since its big and cheap, which put me off further. Space is a premium for me and I only want the best model, not the biggest and cheapest. I also hate most of haolongood color scheme, titanosaur such as alamosaurus with blue or red or any other bright eye catching color scheme is just not realistic. People are saying that PNSO color is too dull, but I think it is realistic and I even find some of their color scheme too elaborate to be realistic. My only beef with PNSO color scheme is that some of their patterns and color is repeated in several of their models in almost the same way. What are the chances that two distantly related species has exactly same pattern and color?
@@turtlesoup8134 Pretty much the only compliments I actually hear about HLG is the quality for the price you pay. When it comes to anatomical accuracy or realism they fall pretty short. The paint applications, while nicely done, are too blotchy and colorful for my taste. And PNSO does have a pretty “dull” color palate, but there’s no species that directly has an identical color scheme. Some of the biggest animals alive today are pretty dull, and I doubt that a creature several times the size of an elephant would be blue.
PNSO consistently amazes me with how up-to-date they are with their reconstructions. They tend to use actual specimens for their models too which is another layer of coolness. I feel however that for animals that are so well-known and have stayed stagnant for years, HLG has the edge because of price. Their sculpting is catching up very, very fast. Their colours have been good since their earliest days, though a little derivative sometimes.
Ok, now this is so damn breathtaking. 🥰You mentioning my name means a lot to me, sir. Thank you so much. It's a great honor to interact with you and share our thoughts with you. Just as I imagined, that Huanghetitan is so massive. If PNSO is willing to make sauropods great again, I'm sure they will be the best competitor to other companies. But Haolonggood Alamosaurus color schemes are so incomparable. Thank you so much for this, my dear sir. You are the best.🖤
You are most welcome Rajitha! You were right of course, I can't believe I actually forgot the PNSO Huanghetitan, truly my most massive sauropod! It's sad that PNSO seems to insist on sticking to solid pieces which have to be smaller to save cost, but considering how HLG is able to do this as well, I wonder is PNSO knows HLG's secret and if so, what it will do moving forward. As much as I love PNOS it's clear that, other than the actual form of the Alamosaurus, the HLG blows it away in many other areas. I am very excited to see the next HLG sauropod, strongly believed to be Mamenchisaurus!
I was happy to find out that the size of the Haolonggood Alamosaurus confirms very closely to the estimate provided in the book of Molina-Perez and Larramendi. They give 26 m curve length, which in 1:35 would be approximately 74 cm. Now when you compare the Patagotitan from Era Terra with the Alamosaurus from Haolonggood we need to also discuss available length estimates. Obviously size estimates vary considerably between sources not least because the fossil record for many sauropods and particularly titanosaurs is so fragmentary and because it is hard to estimate what would be the maximum size an adult individual can reach. If we however take the size estimate for Patagotitan also from the book of Molina-Perez and Larramendi, this would be 31 m translating into 89 cm curve length. The curve length of the Era Terra Patagotitan model is based on an estimate of 33.6 m translating into 96 cm in 1:35 scale which is considerably larger than the estimate from Molina-Perez and Larramendi. So when discussing the relative size differences between the Haolonggood Alamosaurus and the Era Terra Patagotitan I would think it would be good to note that part of that substantial size difference may come from the different estimates used. Furthermore, we need to also take into account the difference between the horizontal length and the curve length. Depending on the pose of the model, a given curve length can translate into quite a range in horizontal length and give one model a larger impression than another one. This is mostly affected by the angle of the neck and the shape of the tail. I note that the Era Terra Patagotitan has the neck rising with a somewhat flatter angle than the Haolonggood Alamosaurus. This effect alone makes the Era Terra Patagotitant appear longer. Note that I do not want to discuss the true size differences away, but just make the point that they may appear larger than they really are for these different reasons.
Thank you Thomas, I have mentioned several times in other videos that there is a range and an expected plus or minus on either side of an average. Even among sauropod experts themselves, sizes vary from estimates. I feel like a broken record anytime things get a little too boisterous in the comments pages from ardent fans (bless them) of various mega fauna. Yet given how many animals are estimated based on not just one bone, but even one bone fragement, it is clear that any serious conviction is doomed to disappointment and dissent. Ademar uses through-centra as well, so it is not exact to the Molina-Pérez/ Larramendi book. But through centra measurements vary less from postural changes than any other measurement like pure horizontal length, so it is still a good one where differences in angle and angulation of the neck will likely make a real difference. The macronarians are an obvious case in point. One only need visit any anatomy lab and look at how bone proportions vary in individuals of similar height, or how similar length limb bones do not translate to equal body height, to understand how much leeway one must expect from a group of animals that is so fragmentary. There is not even _one_ template of a complete skeleton to even attempt extrapolations, unlike other groups such as tyrannosaurs and ceratopsians where the bauplan is so well-known.
I can't wait for mine to arrive! It was so hard to decide which colour version to choose, but in the end I decided on the blue/green patterned. It certainly makes the body paint on the PNSO Alamosaurus look very stolid and heavy. Particularly interesting to see the size comparison with Ademar's Patagotitan. Thank you!
I hope you have received yours by now! HLG really made it hard this time. Such a special dinosaurs, sculpted so well, and then with the added complication of having to choose a variant! Even the 'plain' one has its own appeals! But this one is not just big and space-occupying, it's HEAVY too. I doubt my shelf could support all three variants, even if my wallet could!
@@DinosDragons It arrived today from Everything Dinosaur, who kindly kept it a week until I would be home to take delivery. I'm thrilled with it. When I started collecting dinosaurs a few years ago, I could not imagine such wonders would ever be available on the mass market.
this is truly an impressive model it's amazing seeing companies lately being able to produce so many big sauropods, personally i will stay with my pnso one because of the cheaper price but most importantly space, something i truly struggle with and i have some other species i want figures of so i also want to make sure i have space for those so for now i cant have duplicates of one species, i was thinking that pnso works as a secually mature subadult (consisting the majority of the population) and the hlg one as a truly fully grown rare to witness individual and with the right hlg color choice they can probably fit as growth stages with the only feature stopping this being the presence of the thumb claw on the pnso that haolonggood lacks
You have really hit the nail on the head! The situation with collectors is that it doesn't matter how rich you are, you may not run out of money but you run out of space! The solution is to be mega rich when you can have a huge mansion with 2 or 3 rooms dedicated just for display. But I wouldn't be surprised some people might even run out after that! 😂😂 As for the thumb claw on PNSO, I think it should be an easy matter to cut it off and paint over for people who find issues with it. 😁
Your videos make me even more excited for mine to arrive! I can’t wait! Question for you though. Do you know if estimated sizes really peg Patagotitan that much larger than Alamosaurus? Your compare there surprised me with both supposedly being 1:35 scale.
I hope that you liked your HLG which I am sure you have received by now! There seems to be quite a range of estimates for Alamosaurus. The 2023 Paul and Larramendi paper for example shows Alamosaurus to be quite a bit smaller than Patagotitan though who knows how fully grown that was. Here's a short piece to give you an idea of ranges suggested. www.deviantart.com/palaeozoologist/art/Alamosaurus-sizes-344415434
got this one today, my largest collection ever. PNSO version still have advantages on skin and muscle details, but the massiveness is the first place you take for a sauropod, so this one is my absolute choice. larger size costs more, sadly PNSO wasn't confidence enough to sell a expensive but huge figure.
The nanmu and w-dragon are to tall for a 1/35 scale brachiosaurus. The necks are too stretched. Its nice to see an animal porpotions done correctly to scale and not overly exagerated. Your lucky to get one so early mine is not do til march.
I have seen in person the Giraffatitan subadult holotipe in Berlín (13m tall) HMN-SII and the W-Dragon proportions fits nicely to represent a 15m tall adult speciment (the second holotipe HMN-XV2),. Giraffatitan was one of the tallest sauropods of all time, but Alamosaurus (12-13m tall estimated) was more bulkier
@JL-ux9dk i know the berlin giraffatitan isnt the largest specimen. But if you took the w-dragon model and measured it along the spine scaled it up i believe it comes to 74 ft . Which matches the berlins giraffatitan length. When you scale the height however it comes to 49 ft while the berlins specimen is 43ft. Which means that something within the sculpt is off proportionally in the neck or the forelimbs. Its still the best brachiosaur figure non model kit in my opinion.
@laurelsherman811 Thank you for your comment! In general I favour through-centra estimates for sauropods, especially macronarians, because neck posture and scaling via height will differ depending on the angle of elevation. The W-Dragon for example I estimate to be 60cm through centra, resulting in a live animal of 21m, which fits within a bracket of estimates given by various authorities. For instance the various Giraffatitan measurements given in Molina-Pérez and Larramendi. I find scaling by actual height to be too dependent on neck posture which to date has not been definitely determined, to my knowledge. Well I'm sure you will get yours earlier than March! HLG so far has been released only a few days in the West after China. In fact quite a few reviewers get theirs before even I get mine, and the nearest distribution warehouse to me is I believe right near the PNSO factory. I would be delighted to hear what you think of yours in hand.
I got the same color which stands out from my other sauropods.Truly an amazing model from Haolonggood, they didn't skimp on size like PNSO did with theirs and I might do a repaint on their Alamosaurus to match the Haolonggood as a juvenile piece instead. Did not like the Grey patch of color on the body of the PNSO Alamosaurus which looked like a jacket with no smooth fading and abrupt cut off into the next color tone. PNSO could have done better. I have the massive Passion Charger Argentinosaurus , Musee Studios DREADNOUGHTUS, W Dragon Giraffatitan, Nanmu Watchman and now the Haolonggood Alamosaurus. Keep the giant sauropods coming 😊
I agree with you completely. As you can see from the comparison between PNSO and HLG Alamo, the HLG just blows the PNSO away. The only thing I really feel sad about is that the PNSO actually has a bauplan that is very close to my dream titanosaur. That they have it so small is really disappointing, and even more so, that it doesn't even scale with their downsized 1:45 Mamenchisaurus 😥 As much as I love PNSO, I think that for giant sauropods in 1:35 and _still affordable_ , HLG seems to be the better bet for most collectors, especially those _not_ in China or Asia.
¡De nada! ¡Gracias por ser uno de los espectadores que disfrutan del material adicional que quiero compartir también! 😁 Los saurópodos son mi clado de dinosaurios favorito, ¡así que siempre tengo mucho que decir! 🤣
I thought PNSO's Alamosaurus was stellar when I first saw it, but now, having it stand beside HLG's 1:35 version, the colours, sculpt and patterning of the HLG version is so much more impressive. Yes, PNSO is unrivalled when it comes to accuracy and detail, but I keep feeling HLG has edged out PNSO in this case. Bravo, and I look forward to the new species HLG will come up with next. Thank you again for a great review, @DinosDragons!
You are most welcome and thank you for your kind words! HLG really has been an amazing boon to collectors. It's amazing how quickly they have improved, while still maintaining civilized prices that are reasonable for most of us. How they do it I don't know! I think HLG has always given us good herbivores, with their early theropods wanting. Hopefully as their background research improves, their presentations will become even more pleasing to those of us who care about anatomy! 😁
[I think you mispelled the wrong hanzi for "lóng" 龙 on the first canvas for its traditional character 龍. ] Astonishing review, as always. I was getting nervous on further comparisons and your explanatory and always well done videos on the 好龙谷 Alamosaurus. I went down to the Orange/purple paint scheme from Lana's, and hopefully will arrive in early April. Such a fantastic year for all those "horrible dragons" 😁 I eagerly wait for your Sinoceratops and Kosmoceratops reviews too, If you sir take a break for the holidays, then 新年快乐! it is going to be an exciting year for Dinosaur collectors.
Hi Machapan, thanks for your message! I usually write in traditional Chinese, something my mum always nags at me to change since most people are using simplified now. But I prefer the beauty of the old. I hope you will receive yours earlier though! It's already been out in China for a couple weeks, and I'm sure you guys will all get yours soon! Believe me when you have it in hand, it will be much nicer! And yes, you are right, this year of the Dragon is going to be special! 😁😁
@@DinosDragons I was not aware, sorry for the poor observation. For a few months now I've got myself into simplified and I got silly confused with this. I hope to understand traditional one day as well, it is such a rich and exciting language!😅 Surely it will worth the wait, thanks a lot! Quite a wonderful display I must say.
Exciting to see just how Sauropod figures keep improving. There's some good competition between the companies now which are driving higher accurate and quality models. For me, I saving my money for when PNSO brings out a 1:35 scale model of some of these big boys. Hopefully 2024 is the year.
The problem with that is that PNSO may never ever do a 1:35 and still make it sell, if they insist on using solid models and don't go back to hollow vinyl, or if they can't find the special formula that makes it possible for HLG to offer us models at such good prices.
Yes this one is not only space-occupying, but it's heavy too! The only I haven't added to my sauropod shelf because I'm not sure how the shelf will hold up with this one 2kg straw that might break the camel's back!
@@DinosDragons Oh no XD Reminds me that my dad had to add support rods to his record collection shelves because the records were so heavy the shelves were bowing under the weight!
I like the Osteoderms Type and Coloration on both, PNSO is more simple / classic but cute and Halonggood more complex / particular. Halonggood Alamosaurus is better in Details, (head Shape?) and Pose. So generally Halonggood Alamosaurus is far better but PNSO still a good size-Compromess for no big Places.
Yes, the PNSO Alamosaurus is still one of my favourites, just given those proportions, especially in the ridiculously thick neck! I think they could look good together!
Es una figura fantástica, estoy emocionado por ver los demás saurópodos que lanzará Haolonggod Por su parte, PNSO debería reconsiderar el uso de materiales huecos como los que usó en su Huanghetitan, entre menos peso podría aventurarse a tamaños más grandes a menor costo
Me temo que la PNSO puede estar pensando que las cifras sólidas son de mayor calidad. Además, no sé si existen limitaciones de escultura al usar vinilo hueco.🤔🤔
I’m a bit confused as to how people calculate scale models, I bought the musee 1/35 scale dreadnoughtus, and it’s much bigger than this alamosaurus, when i could’ve sworn they were both the same size
I did also get the Dreadnoughtus schrani from MuSee studio. The book by Molina-Perez and Larramendi estimates a curve length of 24 meters for Dreadnoughtus, which would translate into 69 cm in 1:35 scale. Other estimates that you can find are 26 to 27 meters which would make it the same size as the Alamosaurus. Now the horizontal length of the Dreadnoughtus model is 78 cm and the curve length would be even larger, so it would actually be too large for 1:35 scale. What I could imagine is that MuSee studio based their model on the size estimate of 26 to 27 meters and did not take into account that this is the curve length and not the horizontal length. Nevertheless it is a beautiful model which looks truly impressive.
@@thomaswagner1135yeah, I’ve been realizing that everyone uses different measurements when creating scale models, me personally I never took into account curve length and just thought about horizontal length. But yea, the musee Dreadnoughtus looks amazing, I like the haolonggood alamosaurus but I’m not a big fan of the head or tail, so I’ll just wait to see if someone else makes an alamosaurus. The only issue that I have is that I kinda don’t want a bunch of sauropods in different scales😓. Since I mentioned musee, I think their next sauropod will be sauroposeidon, which I’m excited for
@omarluna7068 In my estimation, the Musee Dreadnoughtus is too big for 1:35, and also over muscled based on current reconstructions. As for scale, if the general posture is horizontally biased, which is almost all dinosaurs I can think of right now, horizontal length could work more or less for approximate sizes. The tricky part with macronarians is that the posture has a verticality that at its size, becomes a very obvious factor for comparison. The through-centra measurement is least dependent on posture and more reflective of actual dimension, so it's often used, for example by Molina-Pérez and Larramendi in their Saruopod book. I talk morea about this in the science part of my PNSO Alamosaurus review.
It's really unfortunate. I still really like the form of the PNSO Alamosaurus. But I think their insistence of such a solid model and the weight it would have just makes it impossible.
Actually I was looking forward to the PNSO's Alamo but the size was just completely off and disappointing. They do great models but are just not willing to go the extra mile where actual size is concerned. HLG seems to be taking the lead over them. They will be bringing out their Mamenchisaurus soon at 1/35 scale and their Edmontosaurus Regalis version. At last I will have an actual Mamenchisaurus at a 1/35 scale after another disappointing Mamenchisaurus by PNSO which I cannot bare to see. I am doing a repaint on my PNSO Alamo to match the HLG as a juvenile version. It's true that HLG has made it affordable for a 1:35 scale model for collectors so I don't see why PNSO is not willing to take that lead.
Truly, it is a mystery how HLG can keep its prices so affordable 🤔 I really love the PNSO brand, but I think this is an area that has disappointed collectors. It was unfortunate enough when they decided that larger animals like the Mamenchi, Livyatan, and so on would be more or less 1:45 instead of 1:35. Now having an Alamo in another different scale sours the pot. Many collectors I know wouldn't have minded Alamo in 1:45 which would scale with the Mamenchi. I wonder if part of it is simpl PNSO's choice of material. Their 1:35 LWL was pretty damn heavy. It's a real pity, because I absolutely _love_ the morphology in the PNSO Alamo. That insanely thick and weird neck can't be beat. I'm glad you at least have the option of painting these smaller dinos as juveniles. I can't paint to save my life 😪
@DinosDragons I am just as baffled as you on why PNSO isn't going where HLG has taken their latest sauropod to the next level. I am absolutely in disgust with the 1:45 scale mindset especially when it comes to a sauropod. I've removed the Mamenchisaurus model from my collection as I could not bare to look at it any more. I hope HLG won't 🙏 dissapoint me with the new Mamenchisaurus model but I have more confidant in them after getting Alamosaurus. If they keep it up they just might put PNSO to shame in their delivery of outstanding pieces. PNSO LWL was such a promise and was hoping for more to go that way and your word is true they soured the pot with their 1:45 Alamosaurus. You're right about the morphology in PNSO's insanely thick neck which you don't see much in HLG's version.PNSO Alamosaurus It's the same size as Collecta's Rayungasaurus and Mamenchisaurus which I am ashamed to even put these on display any more. I've run into desperation to try and save PNSO's Alamosaurus into a juvenile form so it can pass out as a younger version of HLG . Believe me I am no expert at painting but I am trying to learn as much as I can and purchased an air brush to brush up my skills 🤭 You should give yourself a chance and see how it goes. Don't be too hard on yourself 😊
Ok, but not all can / have Space to buy big / take Models, Titanosaurs are gigantic / majestic, several Times bigger and stronger than biggest T.rex, little Models maybe are not so impressive but good size-Compromess. Anyway a big Sauropod still more accurate.
@simonecappiello3937 I just prefer the 1/35 scale version as most of my collection is at 1/35. PNSO 's 1/45 scale makes it look like a juvenile Alamosaurus, which I changed the color to match the bigger one. I have the space for large models, and its alot more impressive than smaller versions.
Haolongoods theropods need some serious work and PNSO definitly has better theropods But in terms of ornithischians, haolongood is really rivalling and even in some cases surpassing PNSO
yes it always seems to me that the scientific rigour should be the easiest part to solve, and the pricing the hardest. This is especially for very well known genera where skeletals are freely available online. But they are definitely improving, if you use as a baselight their Allosaurus last year.
Oh, no I don't review CollectAs in general. For some reason, China and Asian in general seem to always get them way after it's out in the West, so there would be no value add in doing a review on a figure most people would already have seen reviews of.
J'ai l'impression que le pnso est plus massif que le haolonggood puisque le haolonggood n'a pas une largeur beaucoup plus grand que de pnso vue de face et je pense aussi que si la version de pnso mesurait la même taille il serait beaucoup plus large
Hmmm most interesting thought! I think we'll just have wait and see HLG's model. It's a little sad though, I was hoping they would do an _annectens_ but it seems like _annectens_ or _regalis_ all are going to have that coxcomb!
While I think PNSO makes the best theropods hands down in my opinion, Haolonggood is really coming in to their own with their sauropods and other ornithischians. I eagerly await the arrival of my HG Alamosaurus.
The skin of HG is improving with each figure. I'd buy this figure if the head was as good as the PNSO one. Cheers
Even haolongood ceratopsians are great.
They are getting close, but i think the heads are still considerably inferior compared to pnso
@@Bota7120 Yeah, I would agree with you. On some sculpts they still kind of give that 'toy' vibe vs the more carefully crafted details on the PNSO heads.
@KnyghtErrant
I agree with you there! It does seem interesting that while PNSO seems to have really focussed on theropods last year, HLG went with herbivores. They are however doing more theropods than PNSO is doing herbivores (at least to 2023), and I have no doubt they will catch up. The level of sculpting and paint application for a certain price is still done admirably by HLG, and I would have thought that scientific accuracy to be the low-hanging fruit here. i'm sure once HLG overcomes this little hurdle, they will be a fan favourite of most collectors in the West when it comes to Chinese company models.
If there’s anything PNSO is masterful with is their knowledge of anatomy, I still think it’s far superior to HLG’s. I can see this being most people preferred option for its size, but I’m personally more concerned with accuracy and realism.
I have the same thought. The reason I am still on the fence with haolongood is its anatomical accuracy and sculp detail. Every time I see haolongood model review, i feel that their sculp detail does not attract me. Reviewer always mention its a good value for the money since its big and cheap, which put me off further. Space is a premium for me and I only want the best model, not the biggest and cheapest. I also hate most of haolongood color scheme, titanosaur such as alamosaurus with blue or red or any other bright eye catching color scheme is just not realistic. People are saying that PNSO color is too dull, but I think it is realistic and I even find some of their color scheme too elaborate to be realistic. My only beef with PNSO color scheme is that some of their patterns and color is repeated in several of their models in almost the same way. What are the chances that two distantly related species has exactly same pattern and color?
@@turtlesoup8134 Pretty much the only compliments I actually hear about HLG is the quality for the price you pay. When it comes to anatomical accuracy or realism they fall pretty short. The paint applications, while nicely done, are too blotchy and colorful for my taste. And PNSO does have a pretty “dull” color palate, but there’s no species that directly has an identical color scheme. Some of the biggest animals alive today are pretty dull, and I doubt that a creature several times the size of an elephant would be blue.
PNSO consistently amazes me with how up-to-date they are with their reconstructions. They tend to use actual specimens for their models too which is another layer of coolness.
I feel however that for animals that are so well-known and have stayed stagnant for years, HLG has the edge because of price. Their sculpting is catching up very, very fast. Their colours have been good since their earliest days, though a little derivative sometimes.
Ok, now this is so damn breathtaking. 🥰You mentioning my name means a lot to me, sir. Thank you so much. It's a great honor to interact with you and share our thoughts with you.
Just as I imagined, that Huanghetitan is so massive. If PNSO is willing to make sauropods great again, I'm sure they will be the best competitor to other companies. But Haolonggood Alamosaurus color schemes are so incomparable.
Thank you so much for this, my dear sir. You are the best.🖤
You are most welcome Rajitha! You were right of course, I can't believe I actually forgot the PNSO Huanghetitan, truly my most massive sauropod! It's sad that PNSO seems to insist on sticking to solid pieces which have to be smaller to save cost, but considering how HLG is able to do this as well, I wonder is PNSO knows HLG's secret and if so, what it will do moving forward. As much as I love PNOS it's clear that, other than the actual form of the Alamosaurus, the HLG blows it away in many other areas.
I am very excited to see the next HLG sauropod, strongly believed to be Mamenchisaurus!
I was happy to find out that the size of the Haolonggood Alamosaurus confirms very closely to the estimate provided in the book of Molina-Perez and Larramendi. They give 26 m curve length, which in 1:35 would be approximately 74 cm. Now when you compare the Patagotitan from Era Terra with the Alamosaurus from Haolonggood we need to also discuss available length estimates. Obviously size estimates vary considerably between sources not least because the fossil record for many sauropods and particularly titanosaurs is so fragmentary and because it is hard to estimate what would be the maximum size an adult individual can reach. If we however take the size estimate for Patagotitan also from the book of Molina-Perez and Larramendi, this would be 31 m translating into 89 cm curve length. The curve length of the Era Terra Patagotitan model is based on an estimate of 33.6 m translating into 96 cm in 1:35 scale which is considerably larger than the estimate from Molina-Perez and Larramendi. So when discussing the relative size differences between the Haolonggood Alamosaurus and the Era Terra Patagotitan I would think it would be good to note that part of that substantial size difference may come from the different estimates used. Furthermore, we need to also take into account the difference between the horizontal length and the curve length. Depending on the pose of the model, a given curve length can translate into quite a range in horizontal length and give one model a larger impression than another one. This is mostly affected by the angle of the neck and the shape of the tail. I note that the Era Terra Patagotitan has the neck rising with a somewhat flatter angle than the Haolonggood Alamosaurus. This effect alone makes the Era Terra Patagotitant appear longer. Note that I do not want to discuss the true size differences away, but just make the point that they may appear larger than they really are for these different reasons.
Thank you Thomas, I have mentioned several times in other videos that there is a range and an expected plus or minus on either side of an average. Even among sauropod experts themselves, sizes vary from estimates. I feel like a broken record anytime things get a little too boisterous in the comments pages from ardent fans (bless them) of various mega fauna.
Yet given how many animals are estimated based on not just one bone, but even one bone fragement, it is clear that any serious conviction is doomed to disappointment and dissent.
Ademar uses through-centra as well, so it is not exact to the Molina-Pérez/ Larramendi book. But through centra measurements vary less from postural changes than any other measurement like pure horizontal length, so it is still a good one where differences in angle and angulation of the neck will likely make a real difference. The macronarians are an obvious case in point.
One only need visit any anatomy lab and look at how bone proportions vary in individuals of similar height, or how similar length limb bones do not translate to equal body height, to understand how much leeway one must expect from a group of animals that is so fragmentary. There is not even _one_ template of a complete skeleton to even attempt extrapolations, unlike other groups such as tyrannosaurs and ceratopsians where the bauplan is so well-known.
I can't wait for mine to arrive! It was so hard to decide which colour version to choose, but in the end I decided on the blue/green patterned. It certainly makes the body paint on the PNSO Alamosaurus look very stolid and heavy. Particularly interesting to see the size comparison with Ademar's Patagotitan. Thank you!
I hope you have received yours by now! HLG really made it hard this time. Such a special dinosaurs, sculpted so well, and then with the added complication of having to choose a variant! Even the 'plain' one has its own appeals! But this one is not just big and space-occupying, it's HEAVY too. I doubt my shelf could support all three variants, even if my wallet could!
@@DinosDragons It arrived today from Everything Dinosaur, who kindly kept it a week until I would be home to take delivery. I'm thrilled with it. When I started collecting dinosaurs a few years ago, I could not imagine such wonders would ever be available on the mass market.
this is truly an impressive model it's amazing seeing companies lately being able to produce so many big sauropods, personally i will stay with my pnso one because of the cheaper price but most importantly space, something i truly struggle with and i have some other species i want figures of so i also want to make sure i have space for those so for now i cant have duplicates of one species, i was thinking that pnso works as a secually mature subadult (consisting the majority of the population) and the hlg one as a truly fully grown rare to witness individual and with the right hlg color choice they can probably fit as growth stages with the only feature stopping this being the presence of the thumb claw on the pnso that haolonggood lacks
You have really hit the nail on the head! The situation with collectors is that it doesn't matter how rich you are, you may not run out of money but you run out of space! The solution is to be mega rich when you can have a huge mansion with 2 or 3 rooms dedicated just for display. But I wouldn't be surprised some people might even run out after that! 😂😂
As for the thumb claw on PNSO, I think it should be an easy matter to cut it off and paint over for people who find issues with it. 😁
Your videos make me even more excited for mine to arrive! I can’t wait!
Question for you though. Do you know if estimated sizes really peg Patagotitan that much larger than Alamosaurus? Your compare there surprised me with both supposedly being 1:35 scale.
I hope that you liked your HLG which I am sure you have received by now! There seems to be quite a range of estimates for Alamosaurus. The 2023 Paul and Larramendi paper for example shows Alamosaurus to be quite a bit smaller than Patagotitan though who knows how fully grown that was.
Here's a short piece to give you an idea of ranges suggested.
www.deviantart.com/palaeozoologist/art/Alamosaurus-sizes-344415434
got this one today, my largest collection ever. PNSO version still have advantages on skin and muscle details, but the massiveness is the first place you take for a sauropod, so this one is my absolute choice. larger size costs more, sadly PNSO wasn't confidence enough to sell a expensive but huge figure.
This review was utterly splendid
Thank you! This was a splendid model to review! 🙂
The nanmu and w-dragon are to tall for a 1/35 scale brachiosaurus. The necks are too stretched. Its nice to see an animal porpotions done correctly to scale and not overly exagerated. Your lucky to get one so early mine is not do til march.
I have seen in person the Giraffatitan subadult holotipe in Berlín (13m tall) HMN-SII and the W-Dragon proportions fits nicely to represent a 15m tall adult speciment (the second holotipe HMN-XV2),. Giraffatitan was one of the tallest sauropods of all time, but Alamosaurus (12-13m tall estimated) was more bulkier
@JL-ux9dk i know the berlin giraffatitan isnt the largest specimen. But if you took the w-dragon model and measured it along the spine scaled it up i believe it comes to 74 ft . Which matches the berlins giraffatitan length. When you scale the height however it comes to 49 ft while the berlins specimen is 43ft. Which means that something within the sculpt is off proportionally in the neck or the forelimbs. Its still the best brachiosaur figure non model kit in my opinion.
@laurelsherman811 Thank you for your comment! In general I favour through-centra estimates for sauropods, especially macronarians, because neck posture and scaling via height will differ depending on the angle of elevation. The W-Dragon for example I estimate to be 60cm through centra, resulting in a live animal of 21m, which fits within a bracket of estimates given by various authorities. For instance the various Giraffatitan measurements given in Molina-Pérez and Larramendi. I find scaling by actual height to be too dependent on neck posture which to date has not been definitely determined, to my knowledge.
Well I'm sure you will get yours earlier than March! HLG so far has been released only a few days in the West after China. In fact quite a few reviewers get theirs before even I get mine, and the nearest distribution warehouse to me is I believe right near the PNSO factory. I would be delighted to hear what you think of yours in hand.
My God this was an amazing video I highly appreciate your Wonderful Video love All those out of this world 🌍 Comparisons 🙏❤
Thank you very much! I really love sauropods; they are my favourite clade! 😃
I got the same color which stands out from my other sauropods.Truly an amazing model from Haolonggood, they didn't skimp on size like PNSO did with theirs and I might do a repaint on their Alamosaurus to match the Haolonggood as a juvenile piece instead. Did not like the Grey patch of color on the body of the PNSO Alamosaurus which looked like a jacket with no smooth fading and abrupt cut off into the next color tone. PNSO could have done better. I have the massive Passion Charger Argentinosaurus , Musee Studios DREADNOUGHTUS, W Dragon Giraffatitan, Nanmu Watchman and now the Haolonggood Alamosaurus. Keep the giant sauropods coming 😊
I agree with you completely. As you can see from the comparison between PNSO and HLG Alamo, the HLG just blows the PNSO away. The only thing I really feel sad about is that the PNSO actually has a bauplan that is very close to my dream titanosaur. That they have it so small is really disappointing, and even more so, that it doesn't even scale with their downsized 1:45 Mamenchisaurus 😥
As much as I love PNSO, I think that for giant sauropods in 1:35 and _still affordable_ , HLG seems to be the better bet for most collectors, especially those _not_ in China or Asia.
Great review!
Thank you! But I think you will see soon that your titanosaurids will reign supreme size wise 🤣
Una comparativa totalmente necesaria para entender lo gigantesca que es la figura de Haolonggood 😱 ¡Gracias por realizar esta parte 2, amigo! 👏🏼
¡De nada! ¡Gracias por ser uno de los espectadores que disfrutan del material adicional que quiero compartir también! 😁
Los saurópodos son mi clado de dinosaurios favorito, ¡así que siempre tengo mucho que decir! 🤣
@@DinosDragons Seguro que este año vas a tener muchos saurópodos nuevos 🤩
I thought PNSO's Alamosaurus was stellar when I first saw it, but now, having it stand beside HLG's 1:35 version, the colours, sculpt and patterning of the HLG version is so much more impressive. Yes, PNSO is unrivalled when it comes to accuracy and detail, but I keep feeling HLG has edged out PNSO in this case.
Bravo, and I look forward to the new species HLG will come up with next.
Thank you again for a great review, @DinosDragons!
You are most welcome and thank you for your kind words!
HLG really has been an amazing boon to collectors. It's amazing how quickly they have improved, while still maintaining civilized prices that are reasonable for most of us. How they do it I don't know!
I think HLG has always given us good herbivores, with their early theropods wanting. Hopefully as their background research improves, their presentations will become even more pleasing to those of us who care about anatomy! 😁
Excellent review and figure
Thank you. Sauropods are always a pleasure!
Amazing
It is one big and certainly heavy piece of work!
[I think you mispelled the wrong hanzi for "lóng" 龙 on the first canvas for its traditional character 龍. ]
Astonishing review, as always. I was getting nervous on further comparisons and your explanatory and always well done videos on the 好龙谷 Alamosaurus. I went down to the Orange/purple paint scheme from Lana's, and hopefully will arrive in early April. Such a fantastic year for all those "horrible dragons" 😁
I eagerly wait for your Sinoceratops and Kosmoceratops reviews too,
If you sir take a break for the holidays, then 新年快乐! it is going to be an exciting year for Dinosaur collectors.
Hi Machapan, thanks for your message!
I usually write in traditional Chinese, something my mum always nags at me to change since most people are using simplified now. But I prefer the beauty of the old.
I hope you will receive yours earlier though! It's already been out in China for a couple weeks, and I'm sure you guys will all get yours soon! Believe me when you have it in hand, it will be much nicer!
And yes, you are right, this year of the Dragon is going to be special!
😁😁
@@DinosDragons I was not aware, sorry for the poor observation. For a few months now I've got myself into simplified and I got silly confused with this. I hope to understand traditional one day as well, it is such a rich and exciting language!😅
Surely it will worth the wait, thanks a lot! Quite a wonderful display I must say.
Exciting to see just how Sauropod figures keep improving. There's some good competition between the companies now which are driving higher accurate and quality models. For me, I saving my money for when PNSO brings out a 1:35 scale model of some of these big boys. Hopefully 2024 is the year.
The problem with that is that PNSO may never ever do a 1:35 and still make it sell, if they insist on using solid models and don't go back to hollow vinyl, or if they can't find the special formula that makes it possible for HLG to offer us models at such good prices.
Muito bom o vídeo com comparação 😊
Thank you very much for your words! 😁
8:40 GASP! Ah, you're too kind.
It seemed like a no-brainer!🤣🤣
Very pretty model! Way to big for me unfortunately but I do enjoy this one's colours and detailing.
Yes this one is not only space-occupying, but it's heavy too! The only I haven't added to my sauropod shelf because I'm not sure how the shelf will hold up with this one 2kg straw that might break the camel's back!
@@DinosDragons Oh no XD
Reminds me that my dad had to add support rods to his record collection shelves because the records were so heavy the shelves were bowing under the weight!
It’s interesting that the Titanosaurus were much Stockier and thicker than the other sauropods, which is pretty interesting
Definitely! Especially in the torso and pelves which makes a big difference to volume!
They look like father and son, nice pair of figures.
Haha that is definitely one way to pose them next to each other! 👍
I like the Osteoderms Type and Coloration on both, PNSO is more simple / classic but cute and Halonggood more complex / particular. Halonggood Alamosaurus is better in Details, (head Shape?) and Pose. So generally Halonggood Alamosaurus is far better but PNSO still a good size-Compromess for no big Places.
Yes, the PNSO Alamosaurus is still one of my favourites, just given those proportions, especially in the ridiculously thick neck! I think they could look good together!
@@DinosDragons you are right.
Es una figura fantástica, estoy emocionado por ver los demás saurópodos que lanzará Haolonggod Por su parte, PNSO debería reconsiderar el uso de materiales huecos como los que usó en su Huanghetitan, entre menos peso podría aventurarse a tamaños más grandes a menor costo
Me temo que la PNSO puede estar pensando que las cifras sólidas son de mayor calidad. Además, no sé si existen limitaciones de escultura al usar vinilo hueco.🤔🤔
I’m a bit confused as to how people calculate scale models, I bought the musee 1/35 scale dreadnoughtus, and it’s much bigger than this alamosaurus, when i could’ve sworn they were both the same size
I did also get the Dreadnoughtus schrani from MuSee studio. The book by Molina-Perez and Larramendi estimates a curve length of 24 meters for Dreadnoughtus, which would translate into 69 cm in 1:35 scale. Other estimates that you can find are 26 to 27 meters which would make it the same size as the Alamosaurus. Now the horizontal length of the Dreadnoughtus model is 78 cm and the curve length would be even larger, so it would actually be too large for 1:35 scale. What I could imagine is that MuSee studio based their model on the size estimate of 26 to 27 meters and did not take into account that this is the curve length and not the horizontal length. Nevertheless it is a beautiful model which looks truly impressive.
@@thomaswagner1135yeah, I’ve been realizing that everyone uses different measurements when creating scale models, me personally I never took into account curve length and just thought about horizontal length. But yea, the musee Dreadnoughtus looks amazing, I like the haolonggood alamosaurus but I’m not a big fan of the head or tail, so I’ll just wait to see if someone else makes an alamosaurus. The only issue that I have is that I kinda don’t want a bunch of sauropods in different scales😓. Since I mentioned musee, I think their next sauropod will be sauroposeidon, which I’m excited for
@omarluna7068 In my estimation, the Musee Dreadnoughtus is too big for 1:35, and also over muscled based on current reconstructions.
As for scale, if the general posture is horizontally biased, which is almost all dinosaurs I can think of right now, horizontal length could work more or less for approximate sizes.
The tricky part with macronarians is that the posture has a verticality that at its size, becomes a very obvious factor for comparison. The through-centra measurement is least dependent on posture and more reflective of actual dimension, so it's often used, for example by Molina-Pérez and Larramendi in their Saruopod book. I talk morea about this in the science part of my PNSO Alamosaurus review.
I wish the PNS0 made it the same size, but it is what it is
It's really unfortunate. I still really like the form of the PNSO Alamosaurus. But I think their insistence of such a solid model and the weight it would have just makes it impossible.
Actually I was looking forward to the PNSO's Alamo but the size was just completely off and disappointing. They do great models but are just not willing to go the extra mile where actual size is concerned. HLG seems to be taking the lead over them. They will be bringing out their Mamenchisaurus soon at 1/35 scale and their Edmontosaurus Regalis version. At last I will have an actual Mamenchisaurus at a 1/35 scale after another disappointing Mamenchisaurus by PNSO which I cannot bare to see. I am doing a repaint on my PNSO Alamo to match the HLG as a juvenile version. It's true that HLG has made it affordable for a 1:35 scale model for collectors so I don't see why PNSO is not willing to take that lead.
Truly, it is a mystery how HLG can keep its prices so affordable 🤔 I really love the PNSO brand, but I think this is an area that has disappointed collectors. It was unfortunate enough when they decided that larger animals like the Mamenchi, Livyatan, and so on would be more or less 1:45 instead of 1:35. Now having an Alamo in another different scale sours the pot. Many collectors I know wouldn't have minded Alamo in 1:45 which would scale with the Mamenchi.
I wonder if part of it is simpl PNSO's choice of material. Their 1:35 LWL was pretty damn heavy.
It's a real pity, because I absolutely _love_ the morphology in the PNSO Alamo. That insanely thick and weird neck can't be beat. I'm glad you at least have the option of painting these smaller dinos as juveniles. I can't paint to save my life 😪
@DinosDragons I am just as baffled as you on why PNSO isn't going where HLG has taken their latest sauropod to the next level. I am absolutely in disgust with the 1:45 scale mindset especially when it comes to a sauropod. I've removed the Mamenchisaurus model from my collection as I could not bare to look at it any more. I hope HLG won't 🙏 dissapoint me with the new Mamenchisaurus model but I have more confidant in them after getting Alamosaurus. If they keep it up they just might put PNSO to shame in their delivery of outstanding pieces. PNSO LWL was such a promise and was hoping for more to go that way and your word is true they soured the pot with their 1:45 Alamosaurus. You're right about the morphology in PNSO's insanely thick neck which you don't see much in HLG's version.PNSO Alamosaurus It's the same size as Collecta's Rayungasaurus and Mamenchisaurus which I am ashamed to even put these on display any more. I've run into desperation to try and save PNSO's Alamosaurus into a juvenile form so it can pass out as a younger version of HLG . Believe me I am no expert at painting but I am trying to learn as much as I can and purchased an air brush to brush up my skills 🤭 You should give yourself a chance and see how it goes. Don't be too hard on yourself 😊
Ok, but not all can / have Space to buy big / take Models, Titanosaurs are gigantic / majestic, several Times bigger and stronger than biggest T.rex, little Models maybe are not so impressive but good size-Compromess. Anyway a big Sauropod still more accurate.
@simonecappiello3937 I just prefer the 1/35 scale version as most of my collection is at 1/35. PNSO 's 1/45 scale makes it look like a juvenile Alamosaurus, which I changed the color to match the bigger one. I have the space for large models, and its alot more impressive than smaller versions.
@@vanessawee842 Ok.
Haolongoods theropods need some serious work and PNSO definitly has better theropods
But in terms of ornithischians, haolongood is really rivalling and even in some cases surpassing PNSO
yes it always seems to me that the scientific rigour should be the easiest part to solve, and the pricing the hardest. This is especially for very well known genera where skeletals are freely available online. But they are definitely improving, if you use as a baselight their Allosaurus last year.
Ruyangosaurus review???
Oh, no I don't review CollectAs in general. For some reason, China and Asian in general seem to always get them way after it's out in the West, so there would be no value add in doing a review on a figure most people would already have seen reviews of.
J'ai l'impression que le pnso est plus massif que le haolonggood puisque le haolonggood n'a pas une largeur beaucoup plus grand que de pnso vue de face et je pense aussi que si la version de pnso mesurait la même taille il serait beaucoup plus large
Hmmm most interesting thought! I think we'll just have wait and see HLG's model. It's a little sad though, I was hoping they would do an _annectens_ but it seems like _annectens_ or _regalis_ all are going to have that coxcomb!