The FGC/Saudi Arabia Debate Rages On..
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- The conversation surronding a potential 3rd EVO showing up in Saudi Arabia has continued to remain heated and contentious. I give my thoughts once again on the situation. Let me know what you think.
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💀 considering how much MK have nerfed male & female outfits over the years atleast they'll get a tick from Saudi censors now
Kitana still has a revealing outfit though so I don't think so.
@@NetBattler 🤔 Saudi approved skin pack soon?
@@CheekyHussar they might genuinely come out better than the base designs lol I was a huge of Kitana’s Jingu skin in MKX
I'm a Middle Eastern who's on nobody's side, I noticed that most people speaking about this subject don't have the full picture. I see all these western Esport personalities acting like conspiracy theorists, I don't know, maybe they don't care. anyway, I'll tell you EXACTLY what's happening, no sugar coating. so brace yourselves and excuse my English.
First, let's talk about how Saudi Arabia operates: The kingdom was founded by the Al Saud family, who hold the government's power, along with the Alalshikh family, who are religious leaders. Now there is this man, Turki Alalshikh (42 years old and a huge nerd), a descendant of the religious Al Sheikh family, is now ironically involved in Saudi Arabia's entertainment industry, he's an adviser at the Royal Court under the rank of Minister and current Chairman of the General Entertainment Authority. He's invested God knows how much money in sports, music, and video games. aiming to "modernize" the kingdom. (I believe he was present at the GAMERS8 event). However, "some" religious scholars and figures in Saudi Arabia do not agree fully with Turki's plans, fearing they could erode the Islamic and Arab identity of the kingdom. Some religious scholars who spoke out against him have even been arrested. I believe two of them.
Ironically, Turki is on the side of the LGBTQ peple (sort of), which puts him at odds with the religious community in Saudi Arabia who strongly oppose his views. Despite their opposition, they can't stop him, because first, he's closely connected to the royal family and married to an Al Saud princess. second, the majority of the religious figures in the kingdom are against openly criticizing the government because they concider this act as encouraging extremism and they prioritize unity above all. you see how complicated the situation is?
In my view which may be wrong, it's okay for LGBTQ people to visit Saudi Arabia, but they should be mindful of local customs. the great majority of Muslim people are very conservative. In the Middle East, some people don't even know what LGBTQ+ mean. Hopefully, things will improve in the future. In our religion, if you are not in war. it's okay to engage in business and dialogue with people even if you disagree with them. hell, perhaps this situation could encourage more dialogue instead of blindly exchanging hate online.
I'm an Iraqi and I cant attend EVO in both japan and US because of visa issues so I think having one in Saudi Arabia would be cool for the middle eastern part of the fgc and even in my home country if you're a different sexual orientation no one will bother you as long as you follow the law and be respectful like any other country
I'm Gay. I ain't Boycotting EVO, because I ain't gonna win that battle, but my future plans to go to EVO aren't gonna happen, if it's taking place in Saudi Arabia.
There is a huge difference between not being able to afford to go, and not feeling safe going there bc the country is notorious for being violent and oppressive towards your people
There is a difference but they just said accessibility in that particular tweet. In terms of accessibility, the wider FGC doesn't get to be a part of EVO.
@@RealMikeHollow You're a fool.
Tbh I’m never respecting anything that I find immoral whether it religion or culture that’s why I would just never go there🤣
I find the attempts of somehow equating lgbt persecution with public pda and tattoos to be weak examples. You cant control if you're gay. You can control the amount of affection you show your partner in public, or if you show your tattoos.
I think hearing from people lgbt community who lived in Saudi would prolly give the public some crucial information on what its really like over there for someone like them. But i understand how difficult that could be for..... obvious reasons.
Saudi said everyone is welcome , I get the laws say it’s illegal but I don’t think they are gonna change their laws to cater to a video game tournament
@@Ishmaster2020 I don't think anyone directly asked for the laws to change? I believe they were moreso addressing the current concerns with LGBT issues and stating they weren't going. I don't think they said "I won't go unless this country changes their ways!". I think everyone knows they don't have the power to change laws in a country they don't live in, nor do they expect to be catered to.
Saudi may say everyone is welcome, but their laws do not specify what is permissible. We just know homosexuality is illegal, so if someone like SonicFox visited the country, his existence alone would justify an arrest according to their rules.
And I can understand not wanting to support something that actively tries to suppress your existence.
@@bmaine4005 what else can they do ? They said everyone is welcome and they won’t pry into ppls personal lives, I would bet if sonic fox went and just respected the rules he would be fine. The reason the saudis are doing all this investment into different sports is to make their image better, discrimination against competitors and guests defeats the purpose
@@Ishmaster2020 If they want our business, they better adjust for our culture. You know? Out of respect, the same respect they demand for themselves, but give to no one else.
@@naan-jf9gh what else could they do , throw a pride parade? If they saying everyone is welcome just follow the rules idk what else ppl want
Also I don’t think just cause there’s some lgbtq players that makes it part of FGC culture, it doesn’t matter who you are or what you believe we just wanna game
I'm really tired of "everything needs to be for everyone" outlook that's popular these days.
not everything is for you and that's ok, anything can be for anyone not everyone.
No product should be for everyone. If you try to make something for everyone then it will be the safest and most generic thing possible. That's why a target audience exists.
Then why are the Saudi's lobbying to remove homosexuality from Western games?
@@naan-jf9gh unless you're playing some sort of romance game homosexuality doesn't need to be inserted into everything.
I don't understand this need to have gay stuff in everything. Not everything is about them.
@@User.665 Doesn't matter what your stupid opinion is on homosexuality in media (gay people exist, deal with it), at the end of the day these are western games, and western choices. Not everything is about muslims or arabs either.
I don't want input from some human rights violating dump like Saudi Arabia where they have no avenues to address their social issues. Atleast the West has the freedom to even begin that discussion and protects the rights of all its citizens to have that freedom.
But go off and defend an oppressive autocracy.
I have mentioned this before, but I used to live in Saudi for most of my life till I moved to the UK last year with my British wife.
When she came to visit me in Saudi, I immediately told her that we couldn't do PDA or otherwise we would be drawing unwanted attention. Guess what she did? She immediately respected that these are the rules here and avoided even holding hands just to be safe.
You might be asking, "What about her attire? Was she forced to wear hijab?". And the answer is no. No one forced her to wear anything or even looked at her funny. All she had to do was wearing something not too revealing, and people never even bothered her.
So to that guy who keeps saying he feels his life is in danger just because he takes it in the rear, he couldn't be further from the truth.
Like Mike said, there are rules, culture, and traditions that every country abides by. You can't come to wherever you want, apply your own rules, and then expect people to accept them. I have a number of stuff I don't like about the UK, but I don't force the country to bow down to my ways just because we used to do things differently where I come from.
People need to grow up and understand that the world is not running on 1 ideology. Hell, even their own country have problems with minorities. So if that can't be fixed in their own backyard, it's naive to think it can be fixed anywhere else.
Couldn't have said it better, fam. Respect to your wife for respecting your home.
Preech man
That's not the problem lmao. They literally kill people for being gay dude. We should not be supporting a government who does this. Full stop. You making excuses for the regime is exactly what they want. If you wanna go then go, but don't try and sugar coat what the Saudis do to people who don't fit into their idea of sharia. Or just random refugees. Don't look at what they did to the Ethiopian refugees who crossed their border.
Facts
The problem is evo shouldn't be giving business to a country that hates it's top players
I'm American, our Gov. Is a steaming pile of trash right now.( I'll say it for you )
I love the 'blood money' argument... dude, I'm from Mexico, going to the local butcher is probably supporting the operations of people that are kidnapping people in the most benign of circumstances, when they bought SNK (absolutely beloved in all Latin America by the way or at the very least Mexico) and people started raising this exact same point, I just said 'Holy shit!!! Blood money!?!?! With at least 3 degrees of separation?! Dude, I hit the jack pot on this one!'
The reason people single out the Saudi government is because they’re the ones taking over esports and directly running these events.
While I definitely agree 99% of companies are engaged in morally bad actions. The Esports events are being run and benefiting the Saudi government directly, and they’re the ones executing gay people. There is no degree of separation like companies taking money from people who do bad stuff, or helping people who do bad stuff.
We aren't executing gay people. It's just the usual misinformation and racism we've been facing for nearly 30yrs.
The Hawk tuah girl has reached huge levels of fame and is being treated like Einstein for a silly funny drunk joke. The world has already lost the plot people.
The west is truly a degenerate part of the world.
It was funny the first time I watched it but the way this "meme" gets regurgitated over and over nauseates me. People seriously need to find better things to be excited about.
America is the world now? Lol your people put her in that place. America nowaday is just parody of what it used to be.
How is it a meme? I've never heard of that before until LIMC cover it..
3:00 I think Americans confuse the reality of America with the ‘idea’ of America. The idea is that’s it’s all about freedom and prosperity etc but the reality is different.
I will ask this again is this an american thing that make everything about them? Like every need to be about them and be what they think is rigth ?
Im an African living in South Korea for 6 year... There is a think in Korea that you shouldn't question when you superior ask you do something is rude to asks 'May i know why i have to do this ? " in my country is mandatory to ask so you can know more about , but because im in someone else country i need to follow their rule
there's a 50% chance their opinion wont matter next year anyway
I never understood this. Thats like walking into a random persons home. And making urself a sandwich and sitting in their chair or somthing..100% chance you won't make it past the front door.
For some reason people have this idea that you can go anyplace and do whatever you want. And not find out. And its odd.
There is also agreements between governments that they need to treat tourists different way than their natives. The government of Saudi Arabia for example has to agree to guarantee the safety of the tourists so they can take those tourists. None of your Flight companies will fly to any country that has not accepted those terms. Of course nothing in this life is not guaranteed, but if you follow the rules and do not wonder outside of the tourist areas you will be protected, because that is how tourism works. If you go solo in some more "dangerous" areas or doing dumb things yes you will be in trouble, but if you follow their rules and be a just tourist then you will be fine.
We saw this in Soccer world cup where the security of the station only had tourists rainbow flags taking in to safe keeping so they won't have problems with the Middle-eastern crowd at the station. Nobody got arrested or hurt physically, because of that. Also if you KNOW that someone do not agree with something and you go to their country arrogantly pushing it to their face. Yes you might have problems with their Police, because again their job is to upheld peace and you are disrupting it. Also EVO is like 3 days so you can handle that as a human being and just keep it to yourself.
I consider the FGC as a tumor on the actual fighting game subculture, most of the politicization and censorship rot in it spread from the FGC directly. So whatever hurts it and causes little infighting drama amongst the clique like this is a win in my book. Never interrupt your enemies while they're making a mistake as Sun Tzu would say.
Hilarious because that Zangief dude has me blocked, LMAO.
You did a great video on this. I agree with you. Have a good one, Mike.
Again as a newcomer to the community and not a tournament player I feel my opinion is of little consequence but as a human male closer half a century then most I feel that everything is not for everybody and that was a lesson I learned on early in life, meaning you are not entitled to things just because you exist the world has its own standards and I miss the time when culture and customs were respected, but now at days it just seems the smallest sect of a community will scream and cry and attempt to bend the rules to there whim now while the rest of the world tries to just get on with life. Great video
Thank you, brother ☝🏾
You're disrespecting other customs to respect other customs. You see how stupid that looks? So it's okay to lobby in the West and buy stocks in American and European industries for Saudi, but we can't ask them to respect our customs? They want to do business here and bring it over to their country but remove the elements they don't approve? Get fucked.
My exact thoughts on the matter. You don't have to go, and as long as you keep it to yourself you are fine
Was going to say Opinion Rejected but your response was too good to write that .Plus No Feng Wei So Im Happy.
Feng Wei video planned for this week just for you 🗿🗿🗿
@@RealMikeHollow 😶I take it back.
They have a better chance at MK1 having a comeback
Actually that's true.
I hate how fucking right you are 😂
☠️☠️☠️ the pain and reality of this comment.
Here we go again.
can we get a shaheen iron sheik dlc costume please with canon insults. Like what shaheen turns into after 20 years of dealing with asuka and lili
😂😂😂 I'd pay for that.
as a shaheen main i have no shame in creating my own head canon where my character is a bad ass, used his friends oil money, and is a pimp in dubai. Have to be beat these boring allegiations.
Now that I think about it, that’s something perhaps Namco could do and would be cool if they did legit crossover costumes. But have it be like Kings costume in tekken 7, where it changes his rage art animation. Perhaps new quotes that are in character etc. Like if we can’t get actual Baki characters giving feng a genuine hanma costume with altered rage art and win quotes would be so sick.
As an American I only care about other Americans. I also only care about what happens in America. Everyone else can live their life how they see fit. It's not my place to say what's right or wrong in a country 3000 miles away.
5:00 to keep the streets clean
2:30 “food” and “medicine” is the most diabolical.
What is the name of this game?! It looks exciting.
13:15 video going places
Let's be honest here this is all about money and jealousy. A portion of the LGBT+ community just angry because they feel "locked out" of huge piles of cash that other have access to. Moreover the LGBT+ community like to associate their lifestyle with prosperity and the inability to do so in Saudi Arabia makes them opt to attempt to prevent associations with anything from the 1st world with the Muslim world.
What a clown take.
I am a muslim and i have friend when they became trans i was the first person they contacted to tell me about it and they even said to me they understand if i didn't want to become friends with them anymore. I said to them we may have different beliefs but our friendship will never change. This world is vast we should learn from one another. Learn each others differences and similarities etc. I was in hong kong last year one of the rules they had was ni smoking in public outdoor spaces like parks etc. So it's simple just follow the rules
well done tribal chief w video
Thank you, bro ☝🏾
the tattoo covering rule in japan has something to do with yakuzas culture , as punishement for criminals or as uncivilized person but there more meaning behind
TarZangief is a child. Lawd that last tweet 💀
such a "boo hoo" tweet
Pharmaceutical companies still test experimental drugs in developing countries but let's focus on Saudi Arabia.
You have common sense. That's why I enjoy your commentary. Not so common these days.
Man I’m so upset that dragon ball theme park is in Saudi. I already live in Miami heat and humidity I don’t wanna vacation somewhere that’s even hotter lol
Take the trade, bro 😂 we going to Namek!
Holy shit Dragonball world? You need to do a vlog. At least a little bit so it doesn't ruin your experience. It would be great to see you giggle like a child there, because I know you will. Haha
I giggled like a child just seeing the trailer for it 😂
I am of the belief that not everything has to be for everyone. But EVO built itself on being a privately funded community event in which anyone can participate and has taken place in locations where there was no exclusion by law of anyone. I will acknowledge that it can be difficult regarding visa but it certainly isn’t impossible nor is it against the law for Saudi Arabians, Middle Easterners, or anyone to be themselves in the countries that EVO occupies. They can say it’s fine to come to the country and respect the law but at the end of the day it’s at the discretion of the Law enforcement what is or isn’t acceptable so I think there is valid criticism there but only when it comes to EVO imo. With EWC that’s the money coming from the Saudi Arabian government so it is what it is.
Mike hanging out with Kiryu and Majima in Sotenbori 14:28
Saejima was there too 🗿
Good afternoon
@@jahdorose8659 afternoon, sir.
@@RealMikeHollow thanks
The Iron Sheik sent me
He's the 🐐 😂😂
@@RealMikeHollow mans lived on that "fuck hulk hogan" vibe for his whole life and i respect that
I dont know about this one. you did go hard agents Bud Light.
Thank you Mike for speaking up about this topic about this as a person from Qatar I’ve never been to evo because they were always set in countries that are too far from me and hearing that Evo will be in Saudia got me excited I feel sorry for the lgbt people for spreading news to boycott this event because of its laws but the world doesn’t revolve around them there are also people from many people in the Middle East and also Africa love playing fighting games who’ll have an opportunity to be in this event so maybe I’ll go if I’m free but I’ll definitely support it so others can participate and have fun in this event also thank you again for speaking up about this again.❤
Thank you for the comment, brother ☝🏾
The world doesn't revolve around you racist, homophobic Arabs either.
nah doug , people should take their chances. this money might even change their life if they coming from 3rd world countries. this should not concern them , don't let these self-centred minority concern you.
another thing these people need to remember. evo is a global event. lgbt is a minority. sure, some americans may not go to saudi arabia and stop supporting it, but what about the rest of the world and other countries that don't care at all about gender politics? the other countries won't stop traveling or watching online.
Im definitely on the side of "If you dont feel safe dont go but if you do go follow the laws and stay out of trouble" but one dude the OP was debating eventually turned it into "well just stop being gay and be normal" and that made me lose any interest in the conversation there. It was funny though. Boycotting evo is pointless though its big but its not THAT big to the point where enough people will care enough to raise a stink loud enough to get acknowledged. Especially if most reactions are gonna be "well thats less competition for me."
Also saying their LGBT existence is the danger itself makes me think they have a gaydar tool.
9:56 🤯
Bro, I am Saudi and I live in Riyadh and I have seen all kinds of people. All I see is joy and happiness. No problems. We have one law in Saudi Arabia. Respect us as we will respect you. Nothing is difficult. Even Saudi Arabia has welcomed all the inhabitants of the world. It does not matter what you look like or what your beliefs are. Just respect us as we will respect you as a guest 😊👍
Im a black jew from jamaica with an israeli stamp in my passport. If EVO was in Iran, i wont even make it past boarder control… OH WELL! Ill go to Vegas or something instead. I live near Camden, dont need to say much bout LGBT stuff there. Inclusions important, but when it cant be done cuz of the country n community, tough. I think loads live in this bubble that the whole FGC has always been friendly and inclusive, it has in the, i wanna say "Popular" places like UK or USA. Pakistani talent was discovered less than a decade ago so we only knew bout them recently, guess what its illegal to be gay there too. Same with lots of African countries (big up ivory coast tekken fgc) many of those countries are very unfortunate meanwhile we have a lot of privileges. Theres no rulebook, theres no guidelines. Were another community with different fighting games and gamingpolitics in different countries. Also whens Midnight Rubbish coming back?
I thought it was common knowledge to adhere to other cultures when traveling to other countries 🤔 🤷🏽♂️
holy based
First! I’m at the gym Mike, so Good Morning.
I’m so tired of this. If you feel as a member of the LGBT you’re in danger…don’t go. It’s that simple. I’ve been to a few Islamic countries like Kuwait, UAE, Qatar m, etc. Rules are strict like the public display of affection you mentioned. However, you have to follow the rules when in other’s countries.
Also, you can criticize American govt. Even as an American myself, I have that right.
Morning, sir. Get them gains in! Do it for me since I can't right now 😭
@@RealMikeHollow leg day so “give me energy” 🙌🏽🐉
8:17 figures a Bri’ish man would say this 😡. I should’ve known you would say something to hurt me 😢 😞. Shambolic!
😂😂😂 my apologies, sir.
@@RealMikeHollow it’s aight
They’re acting like we’re gonna jump them at the border 😂
Victim mentality. Don't forget, those types of activists will lecture you all day from their safe spaces, but never actually try to effect change in places that supposedly need it.
@@dustinliam7878 average Twitter user
idk I don't think your cooking with this one, while I agree with somethings you said on the subject about it. Saying that "just respect their culture" regardless on what the culture is isn't something I can particularly agree with.
😂😂😂 dragon ball world shhheeeeeiiiiitttt less go
I'm thereeeeeeeeee 🗿🗿🗣️🗣️
You said if I said ten good things about mk1, you’d send me sparking zero. Here you go
Ten good things about mk1
1 voice acting- you’d be lying if you said the voice acting wasn’t good, with the exception of nitara, but that’s not a valid debunking, you wouldn’t say a movie was ruined because one bad actor in it.
2-colorful/world design- I understand some people might not enjoy the brighter tone compared to previous mks but many do, maps are bright and generally take place in more happy places then mk11 and are more realistic compared to tekkens backgrounds of insane stuff like an asteroid.
3- story mode, not perfect but for a fighting game story mode it was pretty good, I liked it more then tekken seven where akuma got involved.
4- guest characters, it’s awesome to be able to play as characters that look so cool on tv, they are all well done and feel like the characters they represent. Omni man flys quickly and hits hard, peacemaker looks goofy and uses all his tools from the show, homelander was executed the best as he’s always flying and since in the boys tv show he didn’t learn how to fight in game he just throws haymakers like a child.
5-cosmetic quality, the cosmetics are expensive but I think most will agree they’ve made some interesting ones, reptile mileena, kitana earthrealm clothes come to mind, creative and cool looking, Johnny Indiana jones, plenty of examples if you look up cool mk1 skins
6- graphics, it looks much more realistic then tekken or most fighting games, this paired with brighter colors makes it beautiful, characters also often have moves with lots of color, like li meis purple or reikos red, kitana blue, mileena pink. So lots of color and it helps distinguish characters.
7- challenges for skins, a lot of people might not want to grind for the harder to get skins but for the ones who are dedicated it is a nice bonus, and the grind has to exist to keep the really hardcore players involved,
8-kameo system, first of all I like having my character always have all their moves instead of in variations. But cameos are cool, they allow for the same characters to be played differently, not to mention that it allows more fam favorite characters to make an appearance in game. For example playing omni man with jax means you want to be in the air, playing him with sareena means you’ll be in the ground more but have more range. Same character with the same moves but different play style. Also it allows for people to come up with combos that have more paths because different cameos give different combos.
9-realistic people, as opposed to street fighter or tekken where there are 400 pound guys jumping and spinning mk1 has more realistic character design. Think zangief from sf6 or king and the bears from tekken.
10- animations, in many other fighting games characters will have moves that look physically impossible, tekken has many. In mk1 characters are obviously very strong and able to jump/ have more power then real people, but when they do a kick it doesn’t look like they should’ve broken they’re back.
11(in case you refute or argue one of the previous), character uniqueness, in tekken characters have different roles they fall into, but for the most part you could most moves and switch them between characters and it wouldn’t be noticed. Like it’s mostly punches and kicks so most models could do that. In mk1 it’s punches and kicks but they have specialties to them, like raiden has elcticity in his strings, li mie has sparks and use of her dragon thing. Plenty of examples
I don’t know how you reach out to me or if you’ll even see this. Just reply and I’ll see it, Im also subscribed because even though I disagree with some points I agree with many.
It was a competition that we did on a live stream, brother haha. There's already been a winner, but nobody was able to get 10 so I gave it to the person closest to it.
@@RealMikeHollow damn it, well thanks for holding to your word and do you agree with what I said. I said ten good things
Get the bag lol
I agree with the “different culture, different behavior” sentiment. I grew up the only long haired white boy in a rough ghetto, and I’m well acquainted with the idea that I don’t belong in certain parts of town lol. But, if the people around me decided they didn’t care that I wasn’t welcome somewhere they were going, I’d feel a little stepped over as well. It’s not “strange” or entitled for them to feel shitty about their friends leaving them behind for a chance to make a buck. That sucks. It’s understandable, and what people do is their decision to make, but let’s not pretend we don’t understand why that sucks for some of these people. It’s fine to say “if you don’t wanna support them, focus on places that you do wanna go”. That’s fair. But also, I don’t blame them for looking at the people around them and asking “why would you support somewhere people like me aren’t welcome??”. Because just cuz it’s “decriminalized” doesn’t mean that a large portion of the culture doesn’t despise gay people. It just sucks to see your friends leave you behind for that scene. Again, I agree with you, but I won’t pretend not to understand both sides here. Great video ✌🏼
Thank you, bro. Appreciate the comment. I'm of the mindset that you assess the situation at hand, realise that in reality you can't actually do anything and instead of making people feel bad or pressured into staying home with you, support them and encourage them to go and make that money. Then demand they pay for your meal for the next month if they win.
Support your bros bag 💰
00:40 it has nothing to do with Evo tho
When you are in another country, respect the culture, customs, and laws that other countries set in place. You have to do your research before you go out of your house.
I get that the SA government sucks but i don't think it justifies alienating an entire group of passionate players from that area bc of them.
There are people from those countries that struggle going to Japan and the U.S. events because of visa issues. Not to mention the price of it. It's absolutely expensive to fly to Japan and the u.s. and we miss out on very amazing players from different parts of the world.
For example - We didn't even realize there was a strong tekken scene in Pakistan or South Asia in general, until Arslan Ash could afford to fly out of Pakistan.
Visa issues are not comparable to a country that persecutes a group of people.
Your issues with your government don't reflect on ours. If you don't like your government, that doesn't mean we do. Add to that Islamophobia and racism againt arabs is very normalised in the west.
Just look at how much westreners have slaughtered our people over fake allegation and nobody cares. The war on terror, the WMDs the genocide etc...
@@espurrseyes42 but at the end of the day, the government doesn't give a crap about evo. The players from that region, regardless of political affiliation gets affected.
It would be gatekeeping some of the best unknown players of the world. In some ways, having EVO can create a ticket out of that country. Heck, even be exposed to the outside culture and experience interactions with people all over the world.
@@toastedjambread
Oh well then.
It's not my fault those players don't have money to splurge on fighting game events. At least they still can earn money to go to a foreign EVO.
Adam and Steve can't magically make themselves straight overnight. And just because they don't PDA doesn't mean you can't do things like look up their Twitters, see that they're gay from their profile or posts, and persecute them that way.
The law isn't about PDAs. It's about being anything but straight. And no amount of reassurance by EVO Pakistan or randoms is going to change the fact that you run a reasonable risk of getting hurt or killed merely for existing by going to this event as an LGBT person.
Pakistan, the country as a whole, has zero tolerance for anyone not straight, something you're born with and can't control. So why should they be tolerated in return when they're unable to do that for other people.
@@espurrseyes42Saudi Arabia isn't Pakistan. If you don't want to go, don't go. You're not entitled to anything and you're not obligated to do anything you don't want to.
Imagine going to someone's else's backyard and be outraged when they stop you from moving around their stuff.
_"When in Rome..."_
We all know how the quote goes.
And despite it being such a well know phrase, its mad how so many ppl STILL aren't willing to comprehend and practice it.
People have these victim mindset that they think the world revolves around them. There parts in the world that needs to obliged to their rules because you're in their territory. If you can follow that, then there wouldn’t be a problem and we can all go our merry way. So simple, but people always has to make it all about them
Hold up. The Alphabet community is a LARGE portion of the FGC? Bullcrap. And that right there should show how self-centered most of these people are.
I wouldn’t go where don’t belong especially if there is laws in place. Evo doesn’t have to in saudi they can literally make their own tournament]s they just want the brand so -so-le will come and saying all affection is banned is a cope out
Sending you respect from Russia, Mike.
Thank you, bro. Respect ☝🏾
There's a big difference between "not being convenient" (you not having money to go to the event), and a *whole government* having laws that criminalize a person's existence because of factors they can't control. It's not about PDAs. It's about Pakistan having *zero tolerance* for gay/bi/trans people, and people with no tolerance don't deserve it in return. You can cover your tats. A gay person can't pray the gay away, and just because they aren't kissing the same sex in public doesn't mean there aren't other ways to learn their sexuality and persecute them for it. These two things are not the same.
Pakistan isn't even involved in this conversation. They're going to Saudi Arabia. What ways would someone be able to tell if not for PDA? They just ask you dress decently/modestly.
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Checking their socials, where a person might have it in their profile that they're LGBT. Or doing something in a post that shows they're LGBT. If you've been on Twitter, you know people love to post their identity traits all over their accounts from pronouns to flags to just outright saying what they are. That's more than enough easy to find information for Saudis, who collectively hate non-straight people, to persecute someone with merely for existing and having a trait they have no control over.
Don't know where I got Pakistan from then. Points still stand tho. The issue isn't about PDAs. It's about Saudi having *zero tolerance* for the existence of gay people, which is again, a trait that the person can't just take off or cover up like inappropriate clothing or tats.
Aside from the wrong country being named, this is the reality of the situation. I'm a woman, there are many women in the FGC. I can't be alone with my women friends in Saudi Arabia. We all have to have an escort, cover ourselves from head to toe, etc. We wouldn't have any rights as women. All of that has frightening implications.
@@RealMikeHollow They define the rules however flimsily they want and they enforce them on a whim. It's BS and you know it and the "Middle Eastern" people telling you otherwise are flat out lying to you to save face.
People looking for a hill to die on and settling for a mole mound.
If you don't agree with the choices the organizer makes, don't attend the event. No need to show how virtuous you are, it's mostly performative anyway. And stop trying to force your opinions on other people because you feel you are in the right. Even if you are, it makes you an ass.
As Kano would say: "On yer bike".
Unfortunately, in the case of Saudi Arabia, it works mostly based on how much money as a foreigner you can give em, I'm from the middle east, and got many family members who have gone there, if your born there, your basically fked unless your born rich, you need to follow everything and just a mistake, could end you, if your a foreigner, you are more tolerated especially if your famous and can bring them money, in a way Arabia is kinda like a middle eastern North Korea, ofcs much better than that, but it's kinda way ahead of just following rules, it is kind of a slot machine if your born in the right country or circumstances, you can do what you want, if your not, you might risk a lot wether your LGBT or not, or if you actually follow the rules or not, it's not culture it's just a very bad place that tries to cover itself with tradition and big structures.
That's how it is.
Imagine if the LGBT community decided they wanted to hold an EVO of their own, and all the straight people said "nah let's boycott it, cuz I don't wanna be around that".
Wouldn't be that different from this situation.
Not really, considering they aren't throwing straight people off buildings for existing. What a garbage false equivalence.
I really don't see the problem. Every country has it's customs and laws, you either abide to them or you get in trouble. Don't like? don't go there. It's not like they are refusing them entrace to the country for being gay and there are laws that can affect hetersexuals too that are not a thing in the West yet you don't see them crying about not being able to make out with a girl in broad day light, you just don't do it or you don't go.
They just love brandishing their victim badge.
Yep, Arabs love to do that don't they?
Gay people be like:
3 days without kissing my boyfriend in public: 🤒
Yes, it would be better to completely exclude saudi government involvment.
Try at least.
Remember the WWE hostage situation in Saudi?
Really no reason to defend Saudi involvement unless you personally profit from it.
Your logic is backwards as always with this topic.
The talk is not about any small organizer in the muslim world. There are tournaments in Pakistan, part of the muslim world. But it's not the government.
It is not the government in the EU or in NA.
It is really pseudo intellectual to derail a boycott against a government involvement by whatabouting "but you disrespect their culture".
Really weak stuff, bro.
Try what exactly? I'd love to hear it. The Saudis already own the Boxing world and a lot of WWE events take place there. They also have involvement in the wider E-Sports landscape and they're expanding into other massive entertainment mediums and you want the FGC to try? Please tell me.
Obviously I don't profit from the Saudis. I'm not even Muslim. I just live in the real world. I supported the person voting with their wallet and not going, I'm just being realistic. It's not going to do anything at all.
I'm not derailing a boycott, my friend. The boycott was never going to happen in the first place. If you need proof of that, just look at the EWC. I'm just calling it like I see it.
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Not watching saudi (government) events and rally others to do so aswell.
No governments as patrons ( with the control that brings) for the FGC, as it was.
So far the FGC was not about huge money. At least way less than Golf or other sports that the Saudi government bought into.
Most tournament players compete because of their passion not because it is paying their rent/making them rich.
Some coach/stream or have other sources of income.
The huge saudi money injection is not saving something that would collapse any time soon without it.
( Also remember how the Saudis famously didnt pay Qudans as promised after he won the big Tekken 7 tournament over there. Borderline scam that seemingly was resolved much much later)
Vierwers and "influencers" could reject it. Sajam and a few others already did.
There are so many other TWT ( and other) events happening this year that one big tournaments doesnt leave a vacuum if you miss it. There is still EVO Las Vegas and TWT Finals for good money and prestige.
Other more commericialized sports are easier preys because they were already a business in the first place.
FGC competitors are not Golfers. You listen to the FGC TOs, they are not doing it to get wealthy.
It would keep going as it did during T7 and like it is now. Saudi government involvement is first and foremost benefitting the competitors - until they become hostages on a saudi airport - and their teams.
"Let" them grab the money but dont give them any shoutout for it, or say you want a repeat of it.
Best case scenario is, the saudis view the FGC as not even worth the effort and cancel any future plans for it. No more blood money in the FGC and no more top lvl gangsters ( like MBS - Saudi government crimes are his crimes- from kashoggi-treatment for journalist to yemen war etc ) as patrons.
I'm going to be mean for just a second.....the audacity of this person to think they will win EVO lmao and if they did, their loved one shouldn't be running up on stage and definitely shouldn't be having a make out session lmao
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Tekken 8 is trash btw
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If you think the plot for Tekken 8 is terrible I agree with you but if it's about the gameplay....I'm gonna have to disagree with you.
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