In my opinion you did the right call. I was wondering about the CSL DD 8nm awhile ago when it came out and ended up with the Thrustmaster TS-PC for really cheap. Later on I found a huge deal on a DD1 F1 bundle. If you wanna take the DD plunge you gotta invest on high end gear, most of the "cheap and weak" DDs are entry level and a bit disappointing for the "premium" you pay on them just for being DD. Unless ofc you don't want extra power which for me I sure do. I would use the SC2 ultimate if I had the money.
Interesting. Yes, I’ve always wondered about a 5mn DD wheel, and whether I would be disappointed by it…it seems around 10+ nm is required to get that “wow factor”. I am tempted by the Moza range, they will probably be my first try at DD.
That's a real good deal for that setup👍. I grabbed aT598 and im very impressed w/it. The wheel base size is very iver exaggerated though. It doesn't even go above the wheel itself. When mounted
I will be very interesting hear your T598 thoughts, I do think once some sims support it properly via patches, and Thrustmaster release new firmware, it will improve over time…I may pick up the base alone, if all the above is proved to be true.
Well done for sticking with Thrustmaster, their wheels are so much better value than anyone else's...and the criticism that there's no LED is nonsensical, I never look at the steering wheel for revs, gear, etc. Nice to see some love for TM. BTW I have the T818 & it is a beast, I have to turn it down a lot :)
I seriously considered the T818 for my PC setup, if I could fine a good second hand one, I would probably pull the trigger...I had hoped the price may drop a little for the 818, now that the 598 is out.
I am in the market too at the moment, upgrading from my T300. I haven't decided yet to keep TM and go for the T818 or move over to Fanatec, which I consider safe to buy now again. I like the idea of having a transducer right on the wheelbase to add for those finer effects. Maybe thats a thing to do for any other wheelbase too.
Another old(ish) guy here, i've just bought my first wheel for GT7, it's a TGT 2 and i am more than happy with it. i bought nearly new from Amazon discounted by about 200 pounds quid and apart from a few scratches on the box the thing is brand new.! i will be sacrificing quite a lot of time to learning the ropes...... the controller is now dead to me.
TGT2 is an incredible wheel, very underestimated. Have it for 1 year and over 800 hours on ACC, still like when it get out of the box. But i will change the base for the T598, i couldn’t care less about the look, ain’t looking at my base while racing. If you keep up with TM , you should definitely get the Ferrari 488 wheel, its really the best wheel ever over at TM
@ oh. If you have the SF1000 , then dont look at it 🤣. I just would put 500$ (canadien) on the SF1000. I mean the 488 is almost half the price and 31 cm.
I can personally recommend the VEVOR WS-P02 stand for that heavier duty wheel. It's identical to the Next Level Racing pro wheelstand but it only costs £60 on eBay. New and delivered. I made a short if you're curious.
At the moment, I really think it is! - the T598 May overtake it if GT7 is updated to natively support the wheel and base, and firmware updates improve the ff of the T598…but for the time being, you can’t go wrong with a TGT2 👍🏻🏁
What makes the TGT2 base that much better than the T300? What features does it have aside from the transducer that makes it an significant upgrade from the T300?
@OldManPlaysDrivingSims yes i use the TM control panel and i'm sure that the tgt2 have a memory and the settings in the control panel are effective on gt7. 100/100 sure. After Many test i've found some good settings i think. I Can share if you want.
@@romainalmanza6591 Hi, I'm afraid the settings on the Thrustmaster control Panel are for PC only - they have no effect of the wheelbase when connected to a console. See here: www.reddit.com/r/Thrustmaster/comments/s7jdf3/does_thrustmaster_control_panel_effect_the_wheel/
@@OldManPlaysDrivingSims just because someone says it on Reddit doesn't mean it's true. for example, simply change the degree of rotation, set the ffb to 5 percent, or go from a damper setting from zero to one hundred to notice the difference on gt7. I am absolutely sure that the control panel settings are transposed to GT7. certain. you just have to do the test to find out. the most obvious is when you touch the damper for example.
@ but it is true, I have owned several TM wheel bases on both platforms. The only thing you can do on PC that would affect the base on consoles is upgrading the firmware…You can change the degrees of rotation on the fly by pressing the “Mode” button and left or right d-pad at the same time to increase or decrease it by set increments such as 360, 540, 720, 900 degrees. I really don’t think FF or damper settings are carried over…I see no mention anywhere of this in the wheel base documentation.
I agree, the T598 is horrible! They need to change the designer in their R&D department. To buy a DD base and have a TS-PC/TS-XW base or one of Fanatec's belts, I'd rather save a bit more and go for a DD base with a minimum of 12Nm, even if it costs me 100€/200€ more than the new TM one.
@@gameplays1993 No, not at all - the looks were the first thing that struck me (and not in a good way), however I race a lot in VR on both PC and PS5, so the looks alone are not a deal breaker alone - the combination of small pedals/no load cell, and some lukewarm reviews re native software (sims) support, particularly GT7, and so-so force feedback, made my mind up - I have no doubt things will improve, this is early days for this wheel base, and software updates/firmware updates will no doubt improve things over the next six months. I will keep an eye on it, and once the wheel base becomes available to buy separately in the UK, I may well buy one...but for now, the TGT2 will suffice.
Well done for making this video, I am using the T300 RS with quite a few add on wheels and the TLCM was looking to upgrade but this T598 is badly designed way too tall for any practical use when placed on a rig half your screen is covered up!! They should have made a smaller version of the T818 and to hell with cogging the issues 😂
Never buy a used Belt driven System…The only Thing would be if you use it for a Short period. But if The Wheel is a few years old already force Feedback could be gotten worse already… thats The Problem with The belt wheelbases they lose power over time. And you dont know how often its been used… if you are unlucky every day.. you May Not notice it now but in a year.. and then you are annoyed Not spent a few Bucks more for at least a new one. And because of that The resell value is Bad aswell
Couldn’t disagree more as I just switched from the g29 to the T598. The pedals are nicer than I thought and the base is amazing. The weak point seems to be the wheel quality. Thrustmaster has other wheels available so no biggie imo
@ T598 will be a massive leap from a G29 for sure…not so much a T300, and from the reviews, in its current firmware/level of native support, a step down from a TGT2…the pedals will be better than your G29 pedals, but no match for TLCM’s.
@ totally agree on the pedals. Already ordered the TCLM set. I have driven other wheels just didn’t own them. I was about to purchase the TGT2 just before this released. I would of been happy with either one. The price was just better.
In my opinion you did the right call. I was wondering about the CSL DD 8nm awhile ago when it came out and ended up with the Thrustmaster TS-PC for really cheap. Later on I found a huge deal on a DD1 F1 bundle. If you wanna take the DD plunge you gotta invest on high end gear, most of the "cheap and weak" DDs are entry level and a bit disappointing for the "premium" you pay on them just for being DD. Unless ofc you don't want extra power which for me I sure do. I would use the SC2 ultimate if I had the money.
Interesting. Yes, I’ve always wondered about a 5mn DD wheel, and whether I would be disappointed by it…it seems around 10+ nm is required to get that “wow factor”. I am tempted by the Moza range, they will probably be my first try at DD.
I have a TGT2 with TLCM Pedals and the EVO 32r leather wheel, I really like the setup! You made a great choice!
Thanks! - I am absolutely loving it so far…the T300 will be going on eBay at the weekend 😂
@@OldManPlaysDrivingSims How old are you? I will be 70 next year
@ 62…a mere whippersnapper! 😂
That's a real good deal for that setup👍. I grabbed aT598 and im very impressed w/it. The wheel base size is very iver exaggerated though. It doesn't even go above the wheel itself. When mounted
I will be very interesting hear your T598 thoughts, I do think once some sims support it properly via patches, and Thrustmaster release new firmware, it will improve over time…I may pick up the base alone, if all the above is proved to be true.
Well done for sticking with Thrustmaster, their wheels are so much better value than anyone else's...and the criticism that there's no LED is nonsensical, I never look at the steering wheel for revs, gear, etc. Nice to see some love for TM. BTW I have the T818 & it is a beast, I have to turn it down a lot :)
I seriously considered the T818 for my PC setup, if I could fine a good second hand one, I would probably pull the trigger...I had hoped the price may drop a little for the 818, now that the 598 is out.
Good choice I love my tgt2. I’ve paired it with the 488 gt3 wheel and it’s awesome. I mainly play gt7 so it’s perfect for me.
Nice combo! I love the TGT2, forces are excellent 👍🏻🏁
I am in the market too at the moment, upgrading from my T300. I haven't decided yet to keep TM and go for the T818 or move over to Fanatec, which I consider safe to buy now again.
I like the idea of having a transducer right on the wheelbase to add for those finer effects. Maybe thats a thing to do for any other wheelbase too.
It certainly works well…Funny how other manufacturers have not tried it.
Another old(ish) guy here, i've just bought my first wheel for GT7, it's a TGT 2 and i am more than happy with it. i bought nearly new from Amazon discounted by about 200 pounds quid and apart from a few scratches on the box the thing is brand new.! i will be sacrificing quite a lot of time to learning the ropes...... the controller is now dead to me.
Welcome to the club! - you have just purchased an excellent base…load cell pedals next?
@@OldManPlaysDrivingSims when ive made friends with the wheel...........probably
Grab a psvr2 with the money saved, makes your sim racing so much more immersive
I have a PSVR2! 😀
TGT2 is an incredible wheel, very underestimated. Have it for 1 year and over 800 hours on ACC, still like when it get out of the box. But i will change the base for the T598, i couldn’t care less about the look, ain’t looking at my base while racing. If you keep up with TM , you should definitely get the Ferrari 488 wheel, its really the best wheel ever over at TM
I’ll check it out…I certainly love my Ferrari SF1000
@ oh. If you have the SF1000 , then dont look at it 🤣. I just would put 500$ (canadien) on the SF1000. I mean the 488 is almost half the price and 31 cm.
Damn a tgt2 is awesome for 280! That's a steal though you don't usually find it for that price.
Apart from a slightly bashed box, the thing looks brand new! - always worth keeping a wee eye on Amazon Warehouse for returns 👍🏻🏁
I can personally recommend the VEVOR WS-P02 stand for that heavier duty wheel. It's identical to the Next Level Racing pro wheelstand but it only costs £60 on eBay. New and delivered.
I made a short if you're curious.
Great recommendation - I will have a look. Thanks!
Best wheel for GT7, love it.
At the moment, I really think it is! - the T598 May overtake it if GT7 is updated to natively support the wheel and base, and firmware updates improve the ff of the T598…but for the time being, you can’t go wrong with a TGT2 👍🏻🏁
What makes the TGT2 base that much better than the T300? What features does it have aside from the transducer that makes it an significant upgrade from the T300?
6nm compared to 3nm for starters, new brushless motor technology…and more - it’s a massive step up from my T300 base.
Hi ! Can you share yours settings for the tgt2 in gt7 in the thrustmaster control panel and in gt7 ? Thanks
You mean in GT7 game surely?….the TM Control Panel applies to Windows only.
@OldManPlaysDrivingSims yes i use the TM control panel and i'm sure that the tgt2 have a memory and the settings in the control panel are effective on gt7. 100/100 sure. After Many test i've found some good settings i think. I Can share if you want.
@@romainalmanza6591 Hi, I'm afraid the settings on the Thrustmaster control Panel are for PC only - they have no effect of the wheelbase when connected to a console. See here: www.reddit.com/r/Thrustmaster/comments/s7jdf3/does_thrustmaster_control_panel_effect_the_wheel/
@@OldManPlaysDrivingSims just because someone says it on Reddit doesn't mean it's true. for example, simply change the degree of rotation, set the ffb to 5 percent, or go from a damper setting from zero to one hundred to notice the difference on gt7. I am absolutely sure that the control panel settings are transposed to GT7. certain. you just have to do the test to find out. the most obvious is when you touch the damper for example.
@ but it is true, I have owned several TM wheel bases on both platforms. The only thing you can do on PC that would affect the base on consoles is upgrading the firmware…You can change the degrees of rotation on the fly by pressing the “Mode” button and left or right d-pad at the same time to increase or decrease it by set increments such as 360, 540, 720, 900 degrees. I really don’t think FF or damper settings are carried over…I see no mention anywhere of this in the wheel base documentation.
I agree, the T598 is horrible! They need to change the designer in their R&D department. To buy a DD base and have a TS-PC/TS-XW base or one of Fanatec's belts, I'd rather save a bit more and go for a DD base with a minimum of 12Nm, even if it costs me 100€/200€ more than the new TM one.
Yep, I’ll get Direct Drive eventually…just not tempted by T598 😕
@@OldManPlaysDrivingSims just behause of Looks ?
@@gameplays1993 No, not at all - the looks were the first thing that struck me (and not in a good way), however I race a lot in VR on both PC and PS5, so the looks alone are not a deal breaker alone - the combination of small pedals/no load cell, and some lukewarm reviews re native software (sims) support, particularly GT7, and so-so force feedback, made my mind up - I have no doubt things will improve, this is early days for this wheel base, and software updates/firmware updates will no doubt improve things over the next six months. I will keep an eye on it, and once the wheel base becomes available to buy separately in the UK, I may well buy one...but for now, the TGT2 will suffice.
I have the tgt2 it's a very good wheel for gt7
It sure is…only spent an hour or so on it, however very impressed so far 👍🏻🏁
Well done for making this video, I am using the T300 RS with quite a few add on wheels and the TLCM was looking to upgrade but this T598 is badly designed way too tall for any practical use when placed on a rig half your screen is covered up!! They should have made a smaller version of the T818 and to hell with cogging the issues 😂
I’m pretty sure they will refine the shape for their next direct drive base…but yep, too tall and ugly for me!
BELT DRIVEN?
It is, however an upgraded belt drive system from previous TM units…it is very smooth and gives fantastic weight and ff 👍🏻🏁
@OldManPlaysDrivingSims coming from a t300 I want to get away from my gogging as they call it or clipping
@@chrisdettanascar9264 I've never noticed it with the TGT2
Never buy a used Belt driven System…The only Thing would be if you use it for a Short period. But if The Wheel is a few years old already force Feedback could be gotten worse already… thats The Problem with The belt wheelbases they lose power over time.
And you dont know how often its been used… if you are unlucky every day.. you May Not notice it now but in a year.. and then you are annoyed Not spent a few Bucks more for at least a new one.
And because of that The resell value is Bad aswell
It is an Amazon Warehouse returned product, so not used much at all - the TGT2's are heavily engineered, pretty bullet proof wheel bases.
Yep the pedals look small and cheap. And the wheel is worse than a g29.
Yep, TLCM's will be fitted on my PS5 rig very soon...not impressed with T595 pedals or wheel 🙄
Couldn’t disagree more as I just switched from the g29 to the T598. The pedals are nicer than I thought and the base is amazing. The weak point seems to be the wheel quality. Thrustmaster has other wheels available so no biggie imo
@ T598 will be a massive leap from a G29 for sure…not so much a T300, and from the reviews, in its current firmware/level of native support, a step down from a TGT2…the pedals will be better than your G29 pedals, but no match for TLCM’s.
@ totally agree on the pedals. Already ordered the TCLM set. I have driven other wheels just didn’t own them. I was about to purchase the TGT2 just before this released. I would of been happy with either one. The price was just better.