18:30 That's not true. Most Turkish people living in Germany, who don't have German citizenship chose not to get it. There are several factors to that. For one, Germany makes it very easy for Truks to live and work there, while getting the citizenship is a lot of paper work. That's probably by design. The legal hurdles for Turks to become German were high from the 70s (when the first big immigration wave happened) to the 90s. But at the end of the 90s those hurdles where lowered significantly and a lot of Turks chose to become Germans. Since then several more legal steps where taken to make German citizenship more appealing to Turks, especially during Merkels 3rd and 4th term as well as recently under Scholz. But the success of the 90s reform could not be replicated. Young Turks especially the 3rd generation living in Germany identify much more as Turks than any other Turkish-German demographic. So Turks not becoming German is a choice made by them not Germans.
One more thought, from the 70s to the 90s for Turks Germany was the Land of economic opportunity which it hasn't been since the 2000s. The labor reforms under chancellor Schoeder hit the economic weak parts of German society very hard and still echo to this day. The non college educated parts Turkish Germans probably suffered very much under those reforms. Thereby around the year 2000 for Turkish Germans Germany changed from the Land of opportunity to the land of unfulfilled promise. And those promises where communicate by parents to children. Side note: When analyzing German politics it's most helpful looking a each chancellorship separately. Except for Merkel, her chancellorship should be seen as two separate chancellorships one from 2005 to 2013 and the other from 2013 to 2021.
Right European here. You are two people from ex-colonies using your ethnic lens in a way you would at home. Firstly, unless you live in Ireland, you don't live in an ex-settler colony: the native population of Australia is the Aboriginal population, Josh, the native population in Scotland is the Scots. Secondly, the non-white population in Europe is the product of post-WW2 migration for the most part. Thirdly, that population is significantly smaller than in the settler colonies. Fourthly, the race-as-skin-colour metric doesn't work in Europe-the Nazis killed about 11 million people due to race-based policies, they were white, Josh. As a Holocaust historian said: white is an identity in America, in Europe it is merely a descriptor. I live in Scotland, the population is 96% white, the non-white population is made of the descendants of Pakistanis who emigrated in the 1960's and people from West Africa who emigrated in the 90's-what should we do, what measures should we take? Any hints from the racial paradise of Australia would be received in cupped hands. Scotland is a country which dates from 840 AD, it might just be people whose country is that ongoing may have some settled ideas about how they think things should be done. I really hope you read these comments.
It’s crazy that this podcast have such low numbers considering how good the content is.
Always so well balanced.
Love this video Thomas is awesome
I dare anyone to count the "you know's" in this video. I started noticing it halfway in and could not stop.
Good episode though, enjoyed it
Right! Would be good for him to work on getting rid of that tic but interesting conversation
18:30 That's not true.
Most Turkish people living in Germany, who don't have German citizenship chose not to get it.
There are several factors to that. For one, Germany makes it very easy for Truks to live and work there, while getting the citizenship is a lot of paper work. That's probably by design.
The legal hurdles for Turks to become German were high from the 70s (when the first big immigration wave happened) to the 90s. But at the end of the 90s those hurdles where lowered significantly and a lot of Turks chose to become Germans.
Since then several more legal steps where taken to make German citizenship more appealing to Turks, especially during Merkels 3rd and 4th term as well as recently under Scholz. But the success of the 90s reform could not be replicated.
Young Turks especially the 3rd generation living in Germany identify much more as Turks than any other Turkish-German demographic. So Turks not becoming German is a choice made by them not Germans.
Apart from the Turkish-German point, the Interview is very good IMO.
One more thought, from the 70s to the 90s for Turks Germany was the Land of economic opportunity which it hasn't been since the 2000s. The labor reforms under chancellor Schoeder hit the economic weak parts of German society very hard and still echo to this day. The non college educated parts Turkish Germans probably suffered very much under those reforms. Thereby around the year 2000 for Turkish Germans Germany changed from the Land of opportunity to the land of unfulfilled promise. And those promises where communicate by parents to children.
Side note: When analyzing German politics it's most helpful looking a each chancellorship separately. Except for Merkel, her chancellorship should be seen as two separate chancellorships one from 2005 to 2013 and the other from 2013 to 2021.
Right European here. You are two people from ex-colonies using your ethnic lens in a way you would at home. Firstly, unless you live in Ireland, you don't live in an ex-settler colony: the native population of Australia is the Aboriginal population, Josh, the native population in Scotland is the Scots. Secondly, the non-white population in Europe is the product of post-WW2 migration for the most part. Thirdly, that population is significantly smaller than in the settler colonies. Fourthly, the race-as-skin-colour metric doesn't work in Europe-the Nazis killed about 11 million people due to race-based policies, they were white, Josh. As a Holocaust historian said: white is an identity in America, in Europe it is merely a descriptor. I live in Scotland, the population is 96% white, the non-white population is made of the descendants of Pakistanis who emigrated in the 1960's and people from West Africa who emigrated in the 90's-what should we do, what measures should we take? Any hints from the racial paradise of Australia would be received in cupped hands. Scotland is a country which dates from 840 AD, it might just be people whose country is that ongoing may have some settled ideas about how they think things should be done. I really hope you read these comments.