don't trust your lying eyes, of what's happening right in front of you. Just trust us to tell you everything you need... bunch of con artists, is what they are.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod "stuff no one else knows"...like what exactly? That EV fires are no worse than petrol ones? Sounds like the opening volley to whitewashing, imho What access do you have into the inner workings of the corporate structure that no one else does? You a man of God, or do you pray to yourself?
@@schumannresonanceswithverte are you going to answer my question? If not, are you genuinely trying to get clarification on what I have said or are you just asking that in hope of diverting from the subject?
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod The Grenfell Tower fire was not caused by the cladding but the damage and the 72 deaths certainly were. Porsche are recalling 27000 in the US because of a potential fire risk.
What would the fire departments and authorities know about ev fires and safety...? Clearly the ABC knows more and is professional experts in ev fire safety
I asked a Fire Brigade commander in the UK what the protocol was for dealing with EV fires. He told me, "Form a large cordon around it and let it burn itself out. We've no way to fight it." He still drove one. WTF!
@@homeistheearthlook on the bright side, if more people adopt the net zero lifestyle it will increase the need for firefighters and bring that job a bit closer.
@@waynehewett4017 It's not really a "when" as you say more like a big "if". I mean it isn't guaranteed that all electric cars will eventually start burning and explode it is in fact quite rare. You are becoming a little bit brainwashed now aren't you.
@@waynehewett4017 It's a case that the risk is small, put 7000 cells in one place and the risk multiplies, and then if it does happen - major catastrophe. Evs are simply not worth the risk, even if they were green.
Where in the WORLD do they allow GAS FILLING STATIONS in apartment buildings Where do they allow FILLING CARS FROM TANKERS IN PARKING LOTS EV should have DEDICATED FUELING STATIONS just like gas cars with BATHROOMS and security and telephones as well as FUL FREON and HLONS fire control , emergenvy fire stations pulls etc. This EV crap is LUNACY and MUST BE REGULATED
The severity is the true issue - not the instance of fires per year per 100k ev's. One of the things that emerged post ww2 was the evolution of nuclear submarines. Primary factor? Compact, long lasting source of power. Secondary factor? A battery fire at sea was a disaster only exceeded by actual munitions damage [mine, depth charge, or torpedo]. Being forced to an emergency surface in horrible sea conditions or foreign waters... speaks for itself.
As a former UK senior fire safety officer I can assure you sprinklers are no use for EV fires - cars are designed to shed water (think rain) and the batteries are underneath the car while the sprinklers are above - in addition no sprinkler system will supply sufficient water to extinguish a battery fire in any case…..these would need a foam system similar to that found in an aircraft hanger at the very least….
Even foam is unable to suppress a lithium ion fire, they produce their own fuel, you have to wait until it burns itself out, there is absolutely nothing you can do but watch it burn. Yes in Europe they try to place them in large containers full of water, all that does is isolate the burning batteries, it doesn’t stop the fire. EV. = exploding vehicle, yeah, nah.
You say were a Fire Safety Officer - and you think that insufficient supply is the reason you can't put out an electrical fire with water??? Are you sure it isn't you who should be taking more water with it?
Look at the disasters caused in underground car parks by a single EV going into thermal runaway. Now imagine the intended future when there will be hundreds of EVs packed inside them.
i am sure that despite whatever ABC has to say it will be Australia's insurance companies who will decide whether EVs are safe to park in enclosed spaces. And this will be reflected in related insurance premiums.
Motor insurance in Britain has jumped alarmingly for all vehicles, they call it spreading the risk, if these things are a risk let them pay the full amount, it makes a mockery of the idea of being a conscientious careful driver.
So they will go off the data? 0 fires have occurred from EV batteries while charging in Australia. The number is actually 0 from charging. That's not miss information or whatever the total count is 0. Arson, Accidents and the building actually burning with an EV inside are the only fire cases. Total of 6 fires. Other lithium battery's like scooters and laptops have caused problems and fires.
Here in London, E-scooters and E-bikes are now banned from travelling on public transport due to many incidents of spontaneous fire. Would the transort authority be guilty of misinformation, or simply observing reality and protecting citizens?
I watched a video of a new e-bike bursting into flames during the owner's first ride. He only made it two blocks from home before his $5,000 USD toy suffered a battery failure that destroyed it.
As far as I know (I use scotland transport). E-bikes are allowed its scooters or like that are banned. unless you live inside a city those kinds of transport are useless and cant really be used. to get around.
@@markt9045 Aren't ebikes the kind that have batteries recharged by peddling rather than the kind that run entirely on batteries? That type of battery doesn't carry the same fire risk.
@@fredneecher1746 No they're not. The battery is recharged by plugging in. The bike is supposed to be pedal powered although with battery assistance, the electric motor cutting out over a certain speed. Unfortunately, most of the e-bikes I see ridden have been (illegally) set-up to allow riding without pedalling. I don't think e-bikes have any sort of regeneration through pedalling or braking. Li-ion batteries are used as they have a high energy density (longer range). Li-ion batteries are the ones that can suffer thermal runaway. NiMH and LiFePo (I think) are regarded as safe.
The real point is battery fires are low probability but high consequence so bleating that they are no more likely to catch fire than an ICE vehicle is ludicrous. Their mere presence in an underground carpark is risky, it doesn’t matter what starts a fire, if a battery is involved the severity of the fire rockets up, as does the entire car park as per Luton Airport. As for sprinkler systems, they may help if most cars in the garage are ICE but if they were mainly battery cars they would be totally useless.
Luton was not an EV fire at the outset. A diesel Range Rover was on fire and was abandoned at the car park. All you EV haters and others who follow Trumpian Propaganda have had a field day, but can any of you provide evidence. Thought not!
I would bet they are messing with the statistics and counting OVERALL fires, instead of fires per thousand. When was the last time you heard of a ocean going ship with 5,000 cars EV catching fire and sinking. Are they possible not even COUNTING those accidents because they are NOT REGISTERED and not real cars. I would bet these states are total bs
EVangelists still insist that Luton was a diesel vehicle, which to be honest are the least likely of all to actually catch fire, you can throw a lighted match into a pool of diesel and it will not ignite...
@@chrissmith2114ask the proponents , how many ice vehicle fuel tanks have spontaneously caught fire?, in the vast majority of ice fires it's the ELECTRICAL system that fails, an EV only has an electrical system, and as that ages it's fire resistance will only get worse, but it will be to late by then, golf carts will be all we have.
@@G-ra-ha-mdon’t forget, they changed the vehicle registered on the plates shown in the video spewing orange flames sideways from the hybrid that was originally on those plates to a diesel in 3 days! Coincidence? Cover up…
insurers aren't oblivious to this Exploding Vehicle stuff. Check the bloody premiums they charge for EVs. It's almost like they don't want the business.
Even in Europe 85% of households have a car or more, and 65% of workers drive a car to work. This Europe high car usage shows people will pay a lot for a car. If Europe is counting all $20,000 per car, and US and Australia is $8000, they'll have to triple the US price of cars. I just don't think they can ramp up costs enough to get Americans or Australians to give up cars. But they hate the middle class so they'll try.
It’s not as if most people on a ferry are going somewhere, so having arrived ahead of time (so that they can buy overpriced food and “duty free” goods) they are going to charge their vehicle, so that when exiting the ferry they can push on towards their destination. When are EV batteries more likely to self combust, and at what charge level?
Read about the Mont Blanc Tunnel fire on the 24 March 1999, one of the worst in Europe, in which 39 people died mostly from toxic fumes. Funny how quickly these disasters are forgotten.
The more scary part is, an EV doesn't have to be a cause in a car park fire to make it a lot worse... It just has to be present, and once it goes, it can't be extinguished.
I'm 64 and can't remember ever hearing about an ICE car spontaneously catching fire over night, but a couple of years ago a brand new electric car caught fire and exploded during the night a couple of streets away. The only news I could find said, the fire brigade attended a car fire, there were no suspicious circumstances.
My in-laws had their ICE catch fire a couple years ago! My husband and I couldn't believe it as neither us nor them had ever experienced anything like it. My father-in-law backed the car up a bit so it wouldn't be under the carport roof and then contained the fire with the garden hose until the fire department showed up. Whole thing caught on ring. Which I think is the point, both events are rare but one you can deal with and one is catastrophic
ICE vehicle catch fire mostly from impact, dodgy wiring either factory or home mods or deliberately set alight. EVs? They can catch fire when they realise their lives are worthless. The real issue though is the severity and in a multistory carpark it IS a massive disaster.
I look at a lot of new Yachts, motor and sail and they are fitting huge lithium batteries. Dare to mention any risk and everyone calls you out as a luddite.
Don't let the zealots grind you down. The thing people who scream "Luddite!" as an insult forget is that the Luddites were justified in feeling aggrieved that the use of new [and inferior] technology was taking their jobs. It really was. The Luddites were absolutely right. Being a Luddite doesn't mean you're against progress and the implementation of new technology; it means you're against progress and the forced implementation of new technology when it impacts jobs, disrupts livelihoods and destroys communities. Sounds like a pretty reasonable standpoint to me. Lithium-ion batteries in EVs have known risks, but I suspect that the batteries in boats etc. you mention will be the 'less unstable', lithium iron-phosphate type - LiFePO4. These aren't as energy-dense as lithium-ion cells, and are also less chemically reactive if punctured or otherwise damaged. But (BIG but) they're still susceptible to overheating, especially if operating in an environment with high ambient temperatures. They can and do suffer from heat-related issues. Evidence is available online, but RUclips won't let me post links here. Supporters of lithium batteries don't like such information made public though, so for goodness sake keep it to yourself. 🤫 If buried down in the hull of a boat, even 'less unstable' LiFePO4 cells pose a fire risk unless they're contained in a cooled, ventilated, or air-conditioned compartment where temperatures can be controlled. It's a myth that these batteries are somehow immune from the fire risk of lithium-ion cells, as the several blazes at energy storage facilities have shown. (Again, RUclips won't let me post links.)
Another thing that isn't considered with these EV-IL cars is their weight. Normal multi storey car parks are not built to withstand such weight if every bay contains an EV-IL CAR. So once again they are a risk to us if everyone had one. EV-IL cars are from the research I have done are actually more likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles if you break it down to a percentage value.
The problem with the car fire figures in the UK is the way the record the data, if an EV catches fire and burns 8 ICE vehicles in close proximity then they record it as 1 EV fire and 8 ICE fires, it's a totally corrupt system!
Uk here. Talking with someone who works closely with structural engineers - apparently none of the multi-storey car parks in the UK have the strength to allow for EVs. Who’d have thought.
After storm Dana which hit Valencia in Spain very badly, literally thousands of cars had to be scrapped. However, they have been deposited in various designated areas (massive feilds) but now firefighters are inundated with scrapped EV's exploding and causing fierce fires. I'll never have an EV
"EV fire risks are no higher than petrol and diesel" Show me even one time, in the whole of history, that a parked diesel car just randomly exploded for no reason 🤷♂
What about any poor sod (or family ) caught in an underground car park when one goes up. Regardless of sprinklers, they would be lucky to get out before the toxic gasses get them.
Those figures do not take into account age and mileage of the vehicle is also there are a lot more fossil fuel vehicles on the road. How many petrol or diesel fires will spontaneously ignite while they are not in use? If they’re going to come out with figures, they should be accurate all they shouldn’t bring them out. For most of my life, i’ve been doing over 1000 miles a week in a lot of different vehicle, diesel and petrol most of them older vehicles and I have never had a fire incident in any of them
If EVs are likely to catch fire, why have Jaguar and Porsche told iPace and Tuscan owners NOT to park under buildings AT ALL not just when they’re charging.
@@acjdf The UK Independent newspaper ran a story on 29 August 2024 about jaGUaR telling owners of around 3,000 early model i Paces to park them outdoors and away from structures due to the risk of battery fires from overheating traction batteries.
Was a a gas station/convenience store some years ago. A beautiful Lincoln Continental (very new!) stopped on the road in front of the store. It started smoking. The owner thought it was boiling over so came into the store. Then the flames started shooting out of the hood. The tires exploded from the flames. Smoke filled the interior. All before the fire department even got there. Since the Lincoln Continental's gas tank could hold 19 gallons of fuel (i.e. 640.3 kWh of energy) I didn't stick around to see the result. Lucky that it wasn't in an underground garage although I don't think the owner considered himself lucky. Have only seen EV car fires on TV because you never see them in real life; too rare I guess. Go figure.
Lets assume that EVs are no more likely to catch fire. The problem is that once they are burning they will stay that way and they can even spontaneously reignite even days later. Ultimately the insurance companies will decide where you are covered for insurance. If they say you're not covered recharging in an underground carpark you could end up personally bankrupt if your car catches fire.
Where in the WORLD do they allow GAS FILLING STATIONS in apartment buildings Where do they allow FILLING CARS FROM TANKERS IN PARKING LOTS EV should have DEDICATED FUELING STATIONS just like gas cars with BATHROOMS and security and telephones as well as FUL FREON and HLONS fire control , emergenvy fire stations pulls etc. This EV crap is LUNACY and MUST BE REGULATED
What they ALSO are not concerned about is that they pour 100,000s of gallons of water on those fires completely flushing poisin lithium, cobalt etc down the drains RIGHT INTO OUR WASTE TREATMENT PLANTS and into our water supplies but they have NO CONCERN because they are pumping STOCK PRICES as they pump the water down our throats causing cancer and other deaths
Risk assessment is likelihood multiplied by severity. If something trivial is extremely likely to happen then the risk is negligible. But conversely if something catastrophic is possible the risk is extremely high even if the likelihood of it happening is low.
I love to see how a judge would assess WHS Act assessment on So Far As Reasonably Practicable if an apartment complex ignores the hazards without mitigations. I'm sure the ABC won't step in to defend them
Pretty sure from the numbers I heard even the quantity is worse with EVs, let alone severity. Not to mention EVs are generally newer than ICE vehicles. Imagine how bad it will get once EVs are old and their battery compartments are damaged and the chemistry gets out of spec. Boom.
If Lithium batteries are so safe how come I can't even ship my 4WD overseas with a lithium dual battery fitted? I had to remove it before they would accept it for shipping, now I will have to spend another $1000 on a new one when I get it there.
I don't know about Australia, but there has been several auto insurance companies here in the U.S. that are not paying out claims for EV fires. Either the EV itself or a I.C.E. vehicle damaged in an EV fire.
They use to call everything "misinformation" because they have no other arguments to say. When you know everything you say is a lies you know you can't prove your point other than just blaming your opponent as one who spreads misinformation 😂
It's not just apartment blocks. There are multistorey hospital car parks here in the UK that have banks of EV chargers on lower floors close to lifts and stairways.
Where do they allow gasoline tankers to fill up cars in parking lots. Gas stations have full fire suppression systems, fire pull stations, security etc. This is a CLOWN WORLD
Strange how a damaged phone and such are sounded out and a warning when boarding a plane , and claims on charging , Yep a car thith 1000lbs of battery is not to be questioned
If governments around the world want to impose EV on their population, they should indemnify all "owners" against all insurance costs resulting in fire losses. That would soon catch their attention. Given the extraordinary power of the insurance companies to influence governments, I expect once they start to penalise or flatly refuse to insure buildings and property such as shopping centres, office blocks and residential high-rise buildings with underground parking, governments will have a much bigger problem on their hands.
the best place would be Canberra, especially parliament building with recently installed chargers. No one will shed a tear and HUGE noise in one place!
I worked in a building built in the 1960’s. There is three levels of underground parking. When I left, ZERO ICE car fires. ⭕️ Years ago they converted to apartments. A lot fewer cars now, have to see if they allow EV’s, but probably not.
Here in Oregon I tried to mail a smartphone to my wife, and I sent it off paying about $20.00. A day later they told me they would not ship it over to Thailand and ask for me to come pick it up. I asked for my money back and they said no! I said your stealing my money because you never shipped my phone. I said you mean you can't ship a smartphone, a laptop, a tablet, or even a cordless shaver? She says nope! And almost smiled when she said no to returning my money,,,,,,,,,,,,,Lithium batteries are an absolute joke,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
One just has to look into insurance company home cover policies to acknowledge the problem. EV and home energy storage batteries fall into the same area of concern.
I was in Stavanger Airport, Norway when an EV in the multi storey car park went on fire, destroyed the car park and many other cars. Can remember seeing a car park destroyed by an Ice car bursting into flame.
Great video as always. Two of my friends have had EVs catch fire. One caught fire while driving. The other exploded while on charge. I will stay with my old petrol and diesel cars. I probably only have 10 to 15 years driving life left. Pointless me spending any of my savings on new cars 😊
Not to mention two cargo ships destroyed while transporting brand new EVs! While misinformation exists on both sides of this debacle, there is sound logic for the fear of fires in EVs.
What they ALSO are not concerned about is that they pour 100,000s of gallons of water on those fires completely flushing poison lithium, cobalt etc down the drains RIGHT INTO OUR WASTE TREATMENT PLANTS and into our water supplies but they have NO CONCERN because they are pumping STOCK PRICES as they pump the water down our throats causing cancer and other deaths
Well easy are EV owners in apartment blocks willing to pay for installation of chargers and upgrades of the grid required then pay for upgraded fire sprinkler system to deal with EV fires. The costs would be astronomical but watch them bulk at costs for it all. Because the current fire system can deal with ICE fires not EV then there is the toxic fumes it produces.
Having worked in the Oil and Gas industry most of my working life I learnt how to do risk assessments, you must get risk down to the minium, ALARP, as low as reasonable possible. So removing EV's from multi story car parks and under ground carp parks is the most simple way to do so as a complete ban on EV's will never happen.
Wait until people start saying well in underground car parks one ev caught fire setting 5 more ev’s on fire but another 100 ice vehicles so only 6 ev’s burnt but 100 ice cars burnt that is only 6%. I am joking but that is how some idiots would try and spin it
That spin already happened in The Netherlands. Was like 7 EV versus 42 and 86 houses evacuated. Still not sure what was fire cause, could have been some one setting fire to and petrol car.
I’ve been saying it over and over again, most ice car fires, at least in Tasmania are deliberately lit to cover car theft and crimes involving cars! There’s almost daily evidence of burnt patches along our highways where the torch has been lit! To be honest I haven’t actually heard of a ev fire here but elsewhere it’s a problem of public safety.
At the end of the day it is the insurance companies that carry the risk that will set the policy. Most enclosed carparks in the UK carry signs banning refuelling so not allowing charging is just a continuation of this policy.
The whole basis for the FF-free energy transition is the so-called "Precautionary Principle" - if the consequences of an unlikely event are significant, then go to extremes to prevent the event. Why doesn't the "Precautionary Principle" apply to EV battery fires? I wonder what apply the most of hypocrisy, cognitive dissonance, and double-standards...
About 2 days ago I saw one of those electric city buses burnt to a crisp, they put some wheels on it and pulled it away. Imagine if it was full of people...
So half ICE car fires are deliberately lit but that couldn't possibly happen to EVs. As for rates of car fault fires we really need an aged fleet to judge EVs. The best we have for that so far is China but they're not telling for the obvious. In the final analysis the insurance underwriters will judge.
Most ICE car fires are electrical or from fuel rich conditions in the catalytic converters. Most times the fuel doesn't burn if extinguished in time, as it is rather well contained in the fuel tank, and they usually only explode in hollywood films
Having been a firefighter in the early 80's that didn't sound quite right, all the vehicle fires we went to started from under the hood or (bonnet) even a VW beetle. -faulty converter or an engine running inefficiently can cause the converter to overheat, reaching temperatures of up to 1400°F (760°C). This can ignite Nearby Flammable Materials, such as dry leaves, grass, or other vegetation.
@@nuthinasitseems5213 agreed with the air cooled beetles the blocks are magnesium, and cat fires are quite common, I had one of those myself years ago. Just saying that the fuel doesn't burn till much later, or not at all if extinguished in time.
@ I saw the first pictures put on RUclips immediately after the fire started. The pictures were deleted by RUclips. It clearly showed a Range Rover hybrid with a “thermal runaway” jet of flame coming from under the front near nearside of the car exactly where the battery is located on that model. Another uncomfortable fact for you EV numbnuts.
"According to the Korea Insurance Development Institute, the number of fire and explosion incidents involving EVs has been higher than that of internal combustion engine vehicles over the past five years. EVs had 0.93 incidents per 10,000 vehicles, while non-EVs had a lower rate of 0.90 incidents. Moreover, the financial losses incurred in these incidents were significantly higher for EVs, with the average loss per incident tallied at 13 million won ($9,700), which is 1.9 times higher than the average of 6.9 million won for non-EVs."
I have been in a car (petrol ) fire, seen smoke coming out of the engine bay , pulled over , had plenty of time to get out ,stand back and watch it burn !! No problem 😅 These EV's wow guess where the fire starts ? Right under your seat ! If the toxic fumes don't get you the blow torch flames will ! You have no chance getting out !!!! No thank you !!!
Thank you for debunking this. I knew what they were saying sounded way too convenient, fishy, hand-wavy, and dismissive in terms of ICE vs EV fires. I want to like EVs but it's tough when they give statistics that don't pass the smell test.
Truth is considered misinformation.
…That’s why Albo created “The misinformation” bill!!
...by those using distortion when truth and logic are not on their side.
don't trust your lying eyes, of what's happening right in front of you.
Just trust us to tell you everything you need...
bunch of con artists, is what they are.
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod "stuff no one else knows"...like what exactly?
That EV fires are no worse than petrol ones?
Sounds like the opening volley to whitewashing, imho
What access do you have into the inner workings of the corporate structure that no one else does?
You a man of God, or do you pray to yourself?
@@schumannresonanceswithverte are you going to answer my question?
If not, are you genuinely trying to get clarification on what I have said or are you just asking that in hope of diverting from the subject?
Typical
The ones shouting "miss information", are themselves suppressing the facts!
Misinformation evolved as a weapon over the last 4 years to silence those who dared question certain medications and election results.
Liars are always gonna lie.
George Orwell said it all .
@@TheAllMightyGodofCod The Grenfell Tower fire was not caused by the cladding but the damage and the 72 deaths certainly were. Porsche are recalling 27000 in the US because of a potential fire risk.
Radicals always do that.
Defund the ABC
Most citizens are voting for parties which fund the ABC lavishly (eg Liberal and Labor).
They've just got $83 million for 2 years. Who wouldn't shill for the EV agenda there?
@@davidvanderklauw not One Nation party
Yeah, and CBC here in Canada too.
@@lesliemeehan3724 Correct. They are an ethical choice.
How dare the fire services have an opinion on fires🔥. - it's bloody disgusting.- 😅😅
What would the fire departments and authorities know about ev fires and safety...?
Clearly the ABC knows more and is professional experts in ev fire safety
@@waynehewett4017 Yeah ... pffffttt ... what would they know?! They should ask the ABC to edumicate them
clear case of misinformation
@@nicolagianaroli2024 Misinformation - to shutdown the conversation that is against there narrative
I asked a Fire Brigade commander in the UK what the protocol was for dealing with EV fires. He told me, "Form a large cordon around it and let it burn itself out. We've no way to fight it." He still drove one. WTF!
*Has anyone else noticed that firefighters are infinitely more trustworthy than police and politicians?*
er,,,,, and abc reporters
I have the biggest respect for fire fighters! One of my "dream" jobs.
@@homeistheearthlook on the bright side, if more people adopt the net zero lifestyle it will increase the need for firefighters and bring that job a bit closer.
@@homeistheearth used to be better in roman times. they got to punish people that caused fires...
YES!!
For those outside Australia, "misinformation" is a blanket term for any truth that conflicts with the modern social agenda.
What is it called outside Australia then? I'm pretty sure it is a world wide term and not just in the land down under.
;Misinformation' is used everywhere, nit just in Oz.
@@sheerluckholmes5468 Everyone imported the term from the US intel agencies
So 'inconvenient truth'.
And 'conspiracy theory' is a synonym for 'will be proven correct in 3 months'.
It's the same here. Wherever here is.
EV car fires are a very real problem. Even my EV loving neighbor won't charge his Teslas in his garage.
Very wise ....
As he doesn't want he's house to burn down when the ev battery goes into thermal runaway and burns to the ground
@@waynehewett4017 It's not really a "when" as you say more like a big "if".
I mean it isn't guaranteed that all electric cars will eventually start burning and explode it is in fact quite rare.
You are becoming a little bit brainwashed now aren't you.
@@waynehewett4017 It's a case that the risk is small, put 7000 cells in one place and the risk multiplies, and then if it does happen - major catastrophe. Evs are simply not worth the risk, even if they were green.
Where in the WORLD do they allow GAS FILLING STATIONS in apartment buildings
Where do they allow FILLING CARS FROM TANKERS IN PARKING LOTS
EV should have DEDICATED FUELING STATIONS just like gas cars with BATHROOMS and security and telephones as well as FUL FREON and HLONS fire control , emergenvy fire stations pulls etc. This EV crap is LUNACY and MUST BE REGULATED
The severity is the true issue - not the instance of fires per year per 100k ev's. One of the things that emerged post ww2 was the evolution of nuclear submarines. Primary factor? Compact, long lasting source of power. Secondary factor? A battery fire at sea was a disaster only exceeded by actual munitions damage [mine, depth charge, or torpedo]. Being forced to an emergency surface in horrible sea conditions or foreign waters... speaks for itself.
As a former UK senior fire safety officer I can assure you sprinklers are no use for EV fires - cars are designed to shed water (think rain) and the batteries are underneath the car while the sprinklers are above - in addition no sprinkler system will supply sufficient water to extinguish a battery fire in any case…..these would need a foam system similar to that found in an aircraft hanger at the very least….
ssssssssssssssssssssssssh you know certain folk will not like the truth..
They knew from the start.
For those who don't know. Aircraft hangar foam systems FILL THE ENTIRE HANGAR WITH FOAM.
Even foam is unable to suppress a lithium ion fire, they produce their own fuel, you have to wait until it burns itself out, there is absolutely nothing you can do but watch it burn. Yes in Europe they try to place them in large containers full of water, all that does is isolate the burning batteries, it doesn’t stop the fire. EV. = exploding vehicle, yeah, nah.
You say were a Fire Safety Officer - and you think that insufficient supply is the reason you can't put out an electrical fire with water??? Are you sure it isn't you who should be taking more water with it?
I wonder how many EV'S are parked and charged in abc building underground carparks.........................................
How many of these ABC clowns own EV's, *it's always but for thee, not for me*
and charged at taxpayer expense.
@@ianwanden6760 by coal!
@@ianwanden6760 Very likely if free electricity is to be had!
our beloved govt spent $2M tax money for chargers in parliament house. Waiting!
Look at the disasters caused in underground car parks by a single EV going into thermal runaway. Now imagine the intended future when there will be hundreds of EVs packed inside them.
i am sure that despite whatever ABC has to say it will be Australia's insurance companies who will decide whether EVs are safe to park in enclosed spaces.
And this will be reflected in related insurance premiums.
Now in Australia some insurance companies are charging 2 to 4 more for evs / hybrid than its equivalent ice vehicle or more
Correct ☑️
Motor insurance in Britain has jumped alarmingly for all vehicles, they call it spreading the risk, if these things are a risk let them pay the full amount, it makes a mockery of the idea of being a conscientious careful driver.
@@waynehewett4017love it. Here they would probably increase the most and have us ice guys pay it all like they do with the taxes.
So they will go off the data?
0 fires have occurred from EV batteries while charging in Australia. The number is actually 0 from charging.
That's not miss information or whatever the total count is 0.
Arson, Accidents and the building actually burning with an EV inside are the only fire cases. Total of 6 fires.
Other lithium battery's like scooters and laptops have caused problems and fires.
Here in London, E-scooters and E-bikes are now banned from travelling on public transport due to many incidents of spontaneous fire. Would the transort authority be guilty of misinformation, or simply observing reality and protecting citizens?
Just a risk assessment based on fires they've seen elsewhere.
Let not have a Rail carriage full of bodies because of a scooter battery.
I watched a video of a new e-bike bursting into flames during the owner's first ride. He only made it two blocks from home before his $5,000 USD toy suffered a battery failure that destroyed it.
As far as I know (I use scotland transport). E-bikes are allowed its scooters or like that are banned. unless you live inside a city those kinds of transport are useless and cant really be used. to get around.
@@markt9045 Aren't ebikes the kind that have batteries recharged by peddling rather than the kind that run entirely on batteries? That type of battery doesn't carry the same fire risk.
@@fredneecher1746 No they're not. The battery is recharged by plugging in. The bike is supposed to be pedal powered although with battery assistance, the electric motor cutting out over a certain speed. Unfortunately, most of the e-bikes I see ridden have been (illegally) set-up to allow riding without pedalling. I don't think e-bikes have any sort of regeneration through pedalling or braking. Li-ion batteries are used as they have a high energy density (longer range). Li-ion batteries are the ones that can suffer thermal runaway. NiMH and LiFePo (I think) are regarded as safe.
The final command of the party was that you denied the evidence of your own eyes and ears. 1984.
The Insurance Underwriter will have the final say on this. If the risk is high then you will not get any building insurance.
Good point - insurance companies don’t like paying out.
You will get building insurance, but there is a clause that battery fires are not covered ( Zurich, one month ago)
@@vladislavfeldman6562 Yes, that OR you can get insurance but the price will be astronomical.
You cannot go against the "Narrative".
Yes you can. Start voting out any politician who promotes this nonsense. That will get their attention.
@@glynnec2008 I agree. My comment was sarcasm.
The real point is battery fires are low probability but high consequence so bleating that they are no more likely to catch fire than an ICE vehicle is ludicrous. Their mere presence in an underground carpark is risky, it doesn’t matter what starts a fire, if a battery is involved the severity of the fire rockets up, as does the entire car park as per Luton Airport.
As for sprinkler systems, they may help if most cars in the garage are ICE but if they were mainly battery cars they would be totally useless.
Luton was an EV,, the fire showed that.
@ I agree, another cover up. The BBC initially said it was a hybrid before changing the story
Luton was not an EV fire at the outset. A diesel Range Rover was on fire and was abandoned at the car park. All you EV haters and others who follow Trumpian Propaganda have had a field day, but can any of you provide evidence. Thought not!
I would bet they are messing with the statistics and counting OVERALL fires, instead of fires per thousand. When was the last time you heard of a ocean going ship with 5,000 cars EV catching fire and sinking. Are they possible not even COUNTING those accidents because they are NOT REGISTERED and not real cars. I would bet these states are total bs
The first electric Range Rover is launching now. The Luton fire occurred last year. In a diesel Range Rover. Facts can be so inconvenient, can't they?
We are the carbon they want to reduce.
Funny how the Luton airport fire , two ferries transporting ev's etc etc, the list is almost endless ,have been forgotten about.
EVangelists still insist that Luton was a diesel vehicle, which to be honest are the least likely of all to actually catch fire, you can throw a lighted match into a pool of diesel and it will not ignite...
@@chrissmith2114ask the proponents , how many ice vehicle fuel tanks have spontaneously caught fire?, in the vast majority of ice fires it's the ELECTRICAL system that fails, an EV only has an electrical system, and as that ages it's fire resistance will only get worse, but it will be to late by then, golf carts will be all we have.
@@chrissmith2114 It was a hybrid, but they are paid to say it's a diesel.
@@G-ra-ha-mdon’t forget, they changed the vehicle registered on the plates shown in the video spewing orange flames sideways from the hybrid that was originally on those plates to a diesel in 3 days! Coincidence? Cover up…
The insurers will have their day of reckoning if they try to sweep this under the carpet.
insurers aren't oblivious to this Exploding Vehicle stuff. Check the bloody premiums they charge for EVs. It's almost like they don't want the business.
@joecraig6056 yes but not for collateral damage yet. Can you imagine the impact on premiums for high rise apartments or even a home with a charger.
Send the ev luvvies to put out ev fires not the fire brigades.
Oh sweet justice whispers in my ear....
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears, it was their final, most essential command" George Orwell 1984
The mandate is not designed to get us all in to EVs its about stopping us driving at all, as per the WEF plan.
Spot on!
Even in Europe 85% of households have a car or more, and 65% of workers drive a car to work. This Europe high car usage shows people will pay a lot for a car. If Europe is counting all $20,000 per car, and US and Australia is $8000, they'll have to triple the US price of cars. I just don't think they can ramp up costs enough to get Americans or Australians to give up cars. But they hate the middle class so they'll try.
Another real danger here in Europe is EVs on ferries! The fire risk is really scary!
It’s not as if most people on a ferry are going somewhere, so having arrived ahead of time (so that they can buy overpriced food and “duty free” goods) they are going to charge their vehicle, so that when exiting the ferry they can push on towards their destination. When are EV batteries more likely to self combust, and at what charge level?
Not just ferries, there's some pretty long tunnels. Dartford tunnel, Mersey tunnel, ones in the Swiss alps etc
Read about the Mont Blanc Tunnel fire on the 24 March 1999, one of the worst in Europe, in which 39 people died mostly from toxic fumes. Funny how quickly these disasters are forgotten.
Another pre EV tunnel fatal fire occurred in the Burnley Tunnel, Melbourne on the 23 March 2007. 3 dead.
The average EV is a mobile chemical factory !
Love your channel.
I’m in Northern Ireland.
This is one of my dailies.
Well done mate.
Awesome! Thank you!
Insurance premium will fix the narrative.
The more scary part is, an EV doesn't have to be a cause in a car park fire to make it a lot worse...
It just has to be present, and once it goes, it can't be extinguished.
I have family living in China. They have told me residents are no longer allowed to charge Ev s in the underground carpark of their apartment block.
I'm 64 and can't remember ever hearing about an ICE car spontaneously catching fire over night, but a couple of years ago a brand new electric car caught fire and exploded during the night a couple of streets away. The only news I could find said, the fire brigade attended a car fire, there were no suspicious circumstances.
They are not in the news, battery recycling plants burn down and the media is silent.
The media have an embargo on publishing EV fires..
My in-laws had their ICE catch fire a couple years ago! My husband and I couldn't believe it as neither us nor them had ever experienced anything like it.
My father-in-law backed the car up a bit so it wouldn't be under the carport roof and then contained the fire with the garden hose until the fire department showed up. Whole thing caught on ring.
Which I think is the point, both events are rare but one you can deal with and one is catastrophic
ICE vehicle catch fire mostly from impact, dodgy wiring either factory or home mods or deliberately set alight. EVs? They can catch fire when they realise their lives are worthless.
The real issue though is the severity and in a multistory carpark it IS a massive disaster.
I look at a lot of new Yachts, motor and sail and they are fitting huge lithium batteries. Dare to mention any risk and everyone calls you out as a luddite.
That's their only defence. To berate you. Can't have sensible dialogue, because they'll loose.
Don't let the zealots grind you down. The thing people who scream "Luddite!" as an insult forget is that the Luddites were justified in feeling aggrieved that the use of new [and inferior] technology was taking their jobs. It really was. The Luddites were absolutely right.
Being a Luddite doesn't mean you're against progress and the implementation of new technology; it means you're against progress and the forced implementation of new technology when it impacts jobs, disrupts livelihoods and destroys communities.
Sounds like a pretty reasonable standpoint to me.
Lithium-ion batteries in EVs have known risks, but I suspect that the batteries in boats etc. you mention will be the 'less unstable', lithium iron-phosphate type - LiFePO4. These aren't as energy-dense as lithium-ion cells, and are also less chemically reactive if punctured or otherwise damaged. But (BIG but) they're still susceptible to overheating, especially if operating in an environment with high ambient temperatures.
They can and do suffer from heat-related issues. Evidence is available online, but RUclips won't let me post links here.
Supporters of lithium batteries don't like such information made public though, so for goodness sake keep it to yourself. 🤫
If buried down in the hull of a boat, even 'less unstable' LiFePO4 cells pose a fire risk unless they're contained in a cooled, ventilated, or air-conditioned compartment where temperatures can be controlled.
It's a myth that these batteries are somehow immune from the fire risk of lithium-ion cells, as the several blazes at energy storage facilities have shown. (Again, RUclips won't let me post links.)
Yes, salt water and batteries! What could possibly go wrong!!
Another thing that isn't considered with these EV-IL cars is their weight. Normal multi storey car parks are not built to withstand such weight if every bay contains an EV-IL CAR. So once again they are a risk to us if everyone had one. EV-IL cars are from the research I have done are actually more likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles if you break it down to a percentage value.
The problem with the car fire figures in the UK is the way the record the data, if an EV catches fire and burns 8 ICE vehicles in close proximity then they record it as 1 EV fire and 8 ICE fires, it's a totally corrupt system!
I wonder if it is 'MISINFORMATION' to anyone that may have been hurt in those fires?
Uk here. Talking with someone who works closely with structural engineers - apparently none of the multi-storey car parks in the UK have the strength to allow for EVs. Who’d have thought.
No-one, as this is categorically untrue.
After storm Dana which hit Valencia in Spain very badly, literally thousands of cars had to be scrapped. However, they have been deposited in various designated areas (massive feilds) but now firefighters are inundated with scrapped EV's exploding and causing fierce fires.
I'll never have an EV
Don't believe your lying eyes!
"EV fire risks are no higher than petrol and diesel"
Show me even one time, in the whole of history, that a parked diesel car just randomly exploded for no reason 🤷♂
I mean, if an asteroid hits Earth and compresses the air enough, gasoline will self ignite :) Check mate atheists !
ICE cars are 19 times more likely to go on fire, statistical FACT
What about any poor sod (or family ) caught in an underground car park when one goes up. Regardless of sprinklers, they would be lucky to get out before the toxic gasses get them.
They care nothing about real people.
Those figures do not take into account age and mileage of the vehicle is also there are a lot more fossil fuel vehicles on the road. How many petrol or diesel fires will spontaneously ignite while they are not in use? If they’re going to come out with figures, they should be accurate all they shouldn’t bring them out. For most of my life, i’ve been doing over 1000 miles a week in a lot of different vehicle, diesel and petrol most of them older vehicles and I have never had a fire incident in any of them
My last home insurance renewal ( 1 month ago ), had a new clause, that battery fires are not covered.
good info..thx
If EVs are likely to catch fire, why have Jaguar and Porsche told iPace and Tuscan owners NOT to park under buildings AT ALL not just when they’re charging.
They haven't. And you must mean 'unlikely'.
@@acjdf The UK Independent newspaper ran a story on 29 August 2024 about jaGUaR telling owners of around 3,000 early model i Paces to park them outdoors and away from structures due to the risk of battery fires from overheating traction batteries.
I have not seen a ICE car fire ever! not even on TV news. But EV car fires always make the news.
Was a a gas station/convenience store some years ago. A beautiful Lincoln Continental (very new!) stopped on the road in front of the store. It started smoking. The owner thought it was boiling over so came into the store. Then the flames started shooting out of the hood. The tires exploded from the flames. Smoke filled the interior. All before the fire department even got there. Since the Lincoln Continental's gas tank could hold 19 gallons of fuel (i.e. 640.3 kWh of energy) I didn't stick around to see the result. Lucky that it wasn't in an underground garage although I don't think the owner considered himself lucky. Have only seen EV car fires on TV because you never see them in real life; too rare I guess. Go figure.
Lets assume that EVs are no more likely to catch fire. The problem is that once they are burning they will stay that way and they can even spontaneously reignite even days later. Ultimately the insurance companies will decide where you are covered for insurance. If they say you're not covered recharging in an underground carpark you could end up personally bankrupt if your car catches fire.
Where in the WORLD do they allow GAS FILLING STATIONS in apartment buildings
Where do they allow FILLING CARS FROM TANKERS IN PARKING LOTS
EV should have DEDICATED FUELING STATIONS just like gas cars with BATHROOMS and security and telephones as well as FUL FREON and HLONS fire control , emergenvy fire stations pulls etc. This EV crap is LUNACY and MUST BE REGULATED
What they ALSO are not concerned about is that they pour 100,000s of gallons of water on those fires completely flushing poisin lithium, cobalt etc down the drains RIGHT INTO OUR WASTE TREATMENT PLANTS and into our water supplies but they have NO CONCERN because they are pumping STOCK PRICES as they pump the water down our throats causing cancer and other deaths
@@DanThomas-n1e Even just sitting there without charging, EVs are way more dangerous.
Thinking ahead, would it be prudent to choose Charcoal as the colour of your next EV?
burnt umber. ash grey.
Risk assessment is likelihood multiplied by severity.
If something trivial is extremely likely to happen then the risk is negligible. But conversely if something catastrophic is possible the risk is extremely high even if the likelihood of it happening is low.
I love to see how a judge would assess WHS Act assessment on So Far As Reasonably Practicable if an apartment complex ignores the hazards without mitigations. I'm sure the ABC won't step in to defend them
Pretty sure from the numbers I heard even the quantity is worse with EVs, let alone severity. Not to mention EVs are generally newer than ICE vehicles. Imagine how bad it will get once EVs are old and their battery compartments are damaged and the chemistry gets out of spec. Boom.
If Lithium batteries are so safe how come I can't even ship my 4WD overseas with a lithium dual battery fitted?
I had to remove it before they would accept it for shipping, now I will have to spend another $1000 on a new one when I get it there.
do not install lithium batteries, nothing more. Old faithful lead-acid do the job.
I don't know about Australia, but there has been several auto insurance companies here in the U.S. that are not paying out claims for EV fires. Either the EV itself or a I.C.E. vehicle damaged in an EV fire.
So if your ICE vehicle is damaged as a result of an EV fire the only compensation to be had is by taking the EVs owner to court?
@@ianwanden6760 Provided their well enough to be taken to Court.
@@ianwanden6760 I never park by EVs but sometimes they come and park next to me! Ahh!
Most often, the people and organizations talking about "misinformation" are the ones spreading the most misinformation themselves.
They use to call everything "misinformation" because they have no other arguments to say. When you know everything you say is a lies you know you can't prove your point other than just blaming your opponent as one who spreads misinformation 😂
Explosion in container in Miami said to be a flood damaged tesla
It's not just apartment blocks. There are multistorey hospital car parks here in the UK that have banks of EV chargers on lower floors close to lifts and stairways.
At least the victims won’t have to call an ambulance!😅
Where do they allow gasoline tankers to fill up cars in parking lots. Gas stations have full fire suppression systems, fire pull stations, security etc. This is a CLOWN WORLD
Lifts shafts and stairwells. Great Chimneys.
Just a matter of time . . . . . .
Strange how a damaged phone and such are sounded out and a warning when boarding a plane , and claims on charging ,
Yep a car thith 1000lbs of battery is not to be questioned
Yes absolutely low frequency but massive severity. Well put
Not low frequency even.
If governments around the world want to impose EV on their population, they should indemnify all "owners" against all insurance costs resulting in fire losses. That would soon catch their attention. Given the extraordinary power of the insurance companies to influence governments, I expect once they start to penalise or flatly refuse to insure buildings and property such as shopping centres, office blocks and residential high-rise buildings with underground parking, governments will have a much bigger problem on their hands.
At some point, when EVs are the only car you can buy, they will suddenly be given official disapproval. The 15 minute city will have arrived.
@sullivanrachael That's my assessment too. 🤔
Thankfully, the adults will be in charge again in America starting January 20th. Australia needs to tell its government, "NO!"
Well said Simon
Ferry companies are very concerned about EVs....Tick tock, its only a matter of time before a tragedy occurs at sea.
Unfortunately it will take a high casualty incident in an apartment or multi level shopping car park for this to be taken seriously
the best place would be Canberra, especially parliament building with recently installed chargers. No one will shed a tear and HUGE noise in one place!
Remember not long ago the other thing that was Safe And Effective. Still not buying into it.
👍 yep
I worked in a building built in the 1960’s. There is three levels of underground parking.
When I left, ZERO ICE car fires. ⭕️
Years ago they converted to apartments. A lot fewer cars now, have to see if they allow EV’s, but probably not.
Here in Oregon I tried to mail a smartphone to my wife, and I sent it off paying about $20.00. A day later they told me they would not ship it over to Thailand and ask for me to come pick it up. I asked for my money back and they said no! I said your stealing my money because you never shipped my phone. I said you mean you can't ship a smartphone, a laptop, a tablet, or even a cordless shaver? She says nope! And almost smiled when she said no to returning my money,,,,,,,,,,,,,Lithium batteries are an absolute joke,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Same methods as when they tried to inject their Safe & Effective poison.
One just has to look into insurance company home cover policies to acknowledge the problem. EV and home energy storage batteries fall into the same area of concern.
I was in Stavanger Airport, Norway when an EV in the multi storey car park went on fire, destroyed the car park and many other cars. Can remember seeing a car park destroyed by an Ice car bursting into flame.
Great video as always. Two of my friends have had EVs catch fire. One caught fire while driving. The other exploded while on charge. I will stay with my old petrol and diesel cars. I probably only have 10 to 15 years driving life left. Pointless me spending any of my savings on new cars 😊
Not to mention two cargo ships destroyed while transporting brand new EVs! While misinformation exists on both sides of this debacle, there is sound logic for the fear of fires in EVs.
It's like comparing a nuclear bomb and a firework, its the consequences that count.
What they ALSO are not concerned about is that they pour 100,000s of gallons of water on those fires completely flushing poison lithium, cobalt etc down the drains RIGHT INTO OUR WASTE TREATMENT PLANTS and into our water supplies but they have NO CONCERN because they are pumping STOCK PRICES as they pump the water down our throats causing cancer and other deaths
btw yes. There were not a single accidential nuclear explosion (yet)! And plenty of firework storage/factories fires! Nukes are much more safe!
Well easy are EV owners in apartment blocks willing to pay for installation of chargers and upgrades of the grid required then pay for upgraded fire sprinkler system to deal with EV fires.
The costs would be astronomical but watch them bulk at costs for it all.
Because the current fire system can deal with ICE fires not EV then there is the toxic fumes it produces.
We've heard this similar ideology from government bureaucrats before "we are the science"
Having worked in the Oil and Gas industry most of my working life I learnt how to do risk assessments, you must get risk down to the minium, ALARP, as low as reasonable possible. So removing EV's from multi story car parks and under ground carp parks is the most simple way to do so as a complete ban on EV's will never happen.
My V8 creates 533 fires per second
That’s close to 32000 rpm! What the heck are you driving?😝
@@jeffleach2668 i get 7,995RPM?
did you forget to divide by 4 perhaps?
fourstroke, v8... 4 ignitions per revolution...
Wait until people start saying well in underground car parks one ev caught fire setting 5 more ev’s on fire but another 100 ice vehicles so only 6 ev’s burnt but 100 ice cars burnt that is only 6%. I am joking but that is how some idiots would try and spin it
That spin already happened in The Netherlands. Was like 7 EV versus 42 and 86 houses evacuated. Still not sure what was fire cause, could have been some one setting fire to and petrol car.
Could you imagine if a Government agency was attempting to push the “benefits” of smoking or alcoholism?
It can kill you, but….
I think I'll take my chances with smoking rather than an EV.
I’ve been saying it over and over again, most ice car fires, at least in Tasmania are deliberately lit to cover car theft and crimes involving cars! There’s almost daily evidence of burnt patches along our highways where the torch has been lit! To be honest I haven’t actually heard of a ev fire here but elsewhere it’s a problem of public safety.
At the end of the day it is the insurance companies that carry the risk that will set the policy. Most enclosed carparks in the UK carry signs banning refuelling so not allowing charging is just a continuation of this policy.
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final most essential command...
- Orwell
I posted this same quote the other day for a completely different topic. Seems extremely relevant these days... hmm...
The EV fleet s fairly modern, wait until the batteries and electronics age.
Luton car park with no suppression for EV's is a cas in point. Imagine if that as an underground car park for apartments.
It's like comparing a firecracker going off in your hand vs a hand grenade. How stupid do they think we are?
I designed my own BS meter.
It needs recalibrating every week.
We need to fire the government!
They trying to build a massive BESS stroage system in my village of Briercliffe Burnley
The bottom line is whether insurance companies will insure the fire risks. If not, there is no future in this technology. Period.
Why do they recommend sprinkler systems for car battery fires?? That's absolute nonsense! Cars are made to resist rain. It will not help at all!!
Sprinklers will (help) slow the spread to vehicles parked in the next row. The cars parked right next to it will still get damaged.
@@Aimless6 Good point!
The whole basis for the FF-free energy transition is the so-called "Precautionary Principle" - if the consequences of an unlikely event are significant, then go to extremes to prevent the event. Why doesn't the "Precautionary Principle" apply to EV battery fires? I wonder what apply the most of hypocrisy, cognitive dissonance, and double-standards...
To maintain balance, they should also ban the charging of diesel and petrol cars in basement car parks.
About 2 days ago I saw one of those electric city buses burnt to a crisp, they put some wheels on it and pulled it away. Imagine if it was full of people...
So half ICE car fires are deliberately lit but that couldn't possibly happen to EVs. As for rates of car fault fires we really need an aged fleet to judge EVs. The best we have for that so far is China but they're not telling for the obvious. In the final analysis the insurance underwriters will judge.
Most ICE car fires are electrical or from fuel rich conditions in the catalytic converters. Most times the fuel doesn't burn if extinguished in time, as it is rather well contained in the fuel tank, and they usually only explode in hollywood films
Having been a firefighter in the early 80's that didn't sound quite right, all the vehicle fires we went to started from under the hood or (bonnet) even a VW beetle.
-faulty converter or an engine running inefficiently can cause the converter to overheat, reaching temperatures of up to 1400°F (760°C). This can ignite Nearby Flammable Materials, such as dry leaves, grass, or other vegetation.
@@nuthinasitseems5213 agreed with the air cooled beetles the blocks are magnesium, and cat fires are quite common, I had one of those myself years ago. Just saying that the fuel doesn't burn till much later, or not at all if extinguished in time.
Thanks
Ah yes, the ABC: a bastion of truth!
They covered up the Luton airport fire started by a hybrid Range Rover.
1500 cars and a multi story car park. . . Destroyed🙄
A lie, check the fire service report. Neither an hybrid or full ev that caused the fire. The diesel car was actually being driven when it caught fire.
@ I saw the first pictures put on RUclips immediately after the fire started. The pictures were deleted by RUclips. It clearly showed a Range Rover hybrid with a “thermal runaway” jet of flame coming from under the front near nearside of the car exactly where the battery is located on that model. Another uncomfortable fact for you EV numbnuts.
You gota know it’s going to happen, it absolutely will happen to a residential high rise
"According to the Korea Insurance Development Institute, the number of fire and explosion incidents involving EVs has been higher than that of internal combustion engine vehicles over the past five years.
EVs had 0.93 incidents per 10,000 vehicles, while non-EVs had a lower rate of 0.90 incidents.
Moreover, the financial losses incurred in these incidents were significantly higher for EVs, with the average loss per incident tallied at 13 million won ($9,700), which is 1.9 times higher than the average of 6.9 million won for non-EVs."
Cheers. I have google your quote and I was able to find the original article being published by TheKorea Times
Seeing more EVs every day on the estate I live on .what could go wrong 🤔North East, uk
LOL I am North UK and I see less evs than I did 6 month ago... Only place I see a few more that norm is on New build estates...
I have been in a car (petrol ) fire, seen smoke coming out of the engine bay , pulled over , had plenty of time to get out ,stand back and watch it burn !! No problem 😅 These EV's wow guess where the fire starts ? Right under your seat ! If the toxic fumes don't get you the blow torch flames will ! You have no chance getting out !!!! No thank you !!!
An EV owner near me has stopped parking it on his driveway, and instead parks it on the road. How surprising 😂😂💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Thank you for debunking this. I knew what they were saying sounded way too convenient, fishy, hand-wavy, and dismissive in terms of ICE vs EV fires.
I want to like EVs but it's tough when they give statistics that don't pass the smell test.
please don't leave the newly woke csiro out of the ABC's Misinformation circle
Always vote with your feet never the ballot box.
Oh no panic, the government is coming to get you.
why don't people that "want" eVs just go out and buy one....and leave the "rest"of us alone...we can think and decide very well what WE want.