Funny watching the comments fill up with evangelists all bleating "but, but, but... ICE cars catch fire more frequently than EVs!" missing the point that EV fires are catastrophic, whereas an ICE fire you can put out with a garden hose... 🙄
The evangelists need to read facts first before they bleat that horseshit out. Comparing numbers of ICE to evshit on the road the numbers and outcome is hugely overrepresented in the evshit
Only a small part of EV owners. My cousin for example drives a Tesla model Y because it meets her needs perfectly. She doesn't give a flying sh*t about climate change or the environment alltogether.
As soon as someone buy an EV all talk about the environment is gone, then they only talk about charging, range and all the clever trick they use to drive their car
@@johnlarsson6029 a blazing EV battery is an extremely savage mix of an electrical fire, molten and burning metal and burning plastic. It is kind of the worst nightmare of every firefighter. Here in Germany the scrapyards which want do deal with scrap EVs are mandated to have roofless shipping containers filled with 10,000 gallons of water. Crashed EVs with compromised batteries have to be stored under water for one or two weeks before they are allowed to be processed as scrap.
Oh, how can you say that?! My high-tech coworker with a few STEM degrees, who is also a yoga instructor and Ob.Vi.Ous.Ly vegan, and her developer husband who left Microsoft to work on secret government national security stuff PROUDLY bought a little Fiat 500 EV. They are clearly soooo much smarter than us mere non-vegans. Now, after 20 years of infertility treatments, which had nothing to do with being vegan, they proudly drive their new baby around in it. 😢 Toshers.
@@honahwikeepa2115 my girlfriend lives in an apartment building in Berlin/Germany and she also got that kind of letter about two years ago. After an apartment-owner plugged in his e-bike in the basement of the building and the battery started to smoulder. There building hadn't burnt down, but the fire department had to evacuate the whole building in the middle of the night because of the toxic fumes. What a nightmare. Thank God my GF and the kids weren't at home that night.
Not too many years ago we were being encouraged (bribed) to switch to diesel, many perfectly serviceable vehicles were scrapped, now we're being blackmailed, cajoled, guilted, into scrapping perfectly serviceable vehicles, yet again. Not very eco friendly.
And in the UK the ridiculous scrappage scheme, that saw perfectly serviceable vehicles with life in them. Tossed into the scrap heap. Thankfully I never fell for the diesel propaganda, but many did.
Been saying EVs are a scam for years, as I was a vehicle mechanic . But I used to get a lot of flak from folk, it’s nice to see I was right all along. EVs look great on paper, being all 0 emissions and no road tax at first, being “cheap to run”, but would cost far more in the long run since they have no resell value after a few years as the cost of replacing the battery is worth more than the car itself. But what would I know, I was only a vehicle mechanic 🤪
Don't forget the more costly insurance and the need to replace tires more often. The EV fans like to pretend the maintenance on an internal combustion vehicle is much more than for an EV, but EVs also have hydraulic brakes (need to be flushed ever couple of years, even if few people do so) and gear reduction boxes that are lubricated with transmission fluid. They also have coolant for the motor, just as car engines do. Brakes, wheel bearings, suspension components, tie rod ends, ball joints, etc., are the same on ICE cars and EVs, so no difference there. The big difference in maintenance boils down to engine oil changes, air filter replacement, and spark plug replacement (not applicable to diesel vehicles of course). On most cars, an air filter can be replaced in about a minute, so that's no big deal, and spark plugs these days last many years, and only take a few minutes to do on most cars. There are exceptions, but most models are not hard to do. That leaves oil changes. These are easy to do too, and for me it is fun and relaxing, but I understand that for most people it would not be. There are ten minute oil change places all over the place. It's not a huge deal, and certainly not enough so that I would consider an EV! The first time you need to do a real repair on the thing, the convenience factor will go out the window, as you can't just go to Rock Auto or your local O'Reilly and get most parts for one. You have to go to the stealership for all parts, and you often have to wait days or weeks before they arrive. Meanwhile, O'Reilly has most of what I need in stock right now, or if I have to order it, tomorrow. And the price will be far less (particularly with Rock Auto). You can also use the jungle web site, but beware of poor quality or counterfeit parts from third party sellers.
@@tid418Regular service on my V8 pickup truck is $180 at the dealership. That's basically what they're saving on maintenance; $180 once or twice a year.
When EV's were brand new the pundits pushed hard about charging in to a standard 10 amp 240 VAC outlet to 'fully recharge' an EV overnight, but even overnight it's not enough!
Yes it proves that you should never take on face value the word of EV spruikers because theirs somehow defies the laws of physics and will fully recharge overnight using 10A 240VAC but yours won't because you live in the real world not some fantasy world like they do based on their lives which seem to be directly related to the copious number of fiction novels they read and they bizarrely believe to be true stories.
@@cccmmm1234 The Cult of Electric Jesus are creating a culture of fear around recharging. Seriously if you want an EV you have to accept the 'regime' of usage that comes with them. Otherwise don't have an EV.
Your partner over in UK who runs a Porsche Taycan is saying that Porche EV owners in UK are receiving letters advising not to park in garages or near houses.... wtf!
Here in Germany it's impossible to get permission to charge EVs in underground car parks. In most of them it's even forbidden to park an EV. Politicians are now talking about forbidding the storage of lithium batteries above a certain capacity in any none designated building. And just to point out what that really means, this law could also include many private garages as well.
Perhaps Mr. frohlich should have checked this before getting involved with an EV? Just a thought. I had the same problem with my steam traction engine - the apartment owners wouldn't build me a coal bunker and install a water tap. And they wouldn't harden the floors and give me a big enough parking spot. You would have thought that 19th century law would have catered for this - seeing as how back then everybody travelled using steam. choo, choo!!
MGuy, you have to cover the tragic story of two people that were found dead in a lifeboat two weeks after their sailboat (powered by a Nissan Leaf battery platform) mysteriously disappeared from radar in the middle of the pacific (in calm seas) It is widely suspected that the batteries went into thermal runaway causing them to abandon ship so quickly they didn’t eleven have time to put any supplies into the life raft that inflated and deployed automatically. The fact that not a single shred of the yacht has been found suggests it burned down to the waterline and sunk to the bottom of the ocean with only the keel left intact.
This reminded me about a wealthy looking lady parking her Tesla next to (regular) maintelance plug in the garage of office park building 10 years ago. There were a lot of general announcements for leaving sauna stove on 10 minutes too long, and many times, it was switched off during the heating cycle before I could use it. But there was never a general announcement on Tesla owners illegally gouging electricity from the building.
Part of the accessories for an EV should be a 6x6mtr cast iron box that you locate at least 25 mtrs away from any building where you park the thing and where you can charge it. When it goes bang as it will at least it is then a box that can be picked up and put straight into the metal chipper. Actually if you got two boxes one on top of the other you could fill the top one with water and drown the damn thing remotely especially if the doors were sealed. I suggest petrol might just be a better option.
I haven't seen a gas station in underground parking but I have seen many high voltage EV chargers in underground parking of Shopping Malls, Hospitals and worst of all apartment complexes. Unfortunately many of those chargers in Apartment parking are installed by people who aren't qualified and doing this for the very first time and that's why I gave seen many chargers installed right next to stairs and lifts.
In our shopping mall all the many charging stations are beside the mall's exit doors to the parking, i. e., beside the elevator and escalator. Much easier for everything to go straight up several floors in an instant.
This will develop into "no, you can't take your EV onto the Channel Tunnel, a ferry or multi-storey car park". The only question is whether it will need a major disaster with loss of life first.
EVs have already taken lives but it takes a full on Disaster like the Grenfell Towers to get their heads out of their bums. And even then it takes another 5 years of constant reminders and public pressure to get them to act. Especially in the EV case because they first have to admit they were wrong, I've never heard a Polly say "I was Wrong"
In the UK 24 flat block. We were informed each flat if required would have to install their own EV charging point with power coming from their own supply. The cable installation for each flat was going to be many £thousands and most would not have enough capacity for a safe installation.
Same in my country and just wait to hear what the apartment insurance is, if you find a company to insure you and that is for private space outside, not underground parking.
Driving my dirty old disease salt dump truck plugs in to the barn to keep it warm in the dead of winter with temps below 0 F and I come in after a night of salting at 2am and one of my favorite channels has a new video it's been a great night!
I'm a Senior Technical Designer working for a housebuilder here in the UK. I've just finished designing one small block of 11 units with underground car parking and after 18 months of deliberation and f-k-ing about (as no one in the legislative system seemed to know what they were doing, or at best were terrified to make a decision due to the implications of Grenfell etc) and loads of consultations with fire officers and building control we final got it approved. Throw in an EV fire with 100L of unleaded fuel one side, 100L of diesel the other, potentially hydrogen given the building has a 50-year design life (so you have to design it in), and loads of thermoplastics and other flammable materials within the vehicles being stored and the fabric of the building above, and you've got a very expensive building. In the end we had to put in a dedicated sprinkler system, with its own UPS, 15 tonne break tank and booster set and it came in at £180K + vat and with all the other fire strategy protection / fire safety measures having those 11 chargers added around £250K to the build cost. Factor in an eye-wateringly expensive ongoing maintenance schedule and you're looking at £300K+ The ridiculous thing is it's an affordable rent / council block so without making controversial comment, I doubt it's going to be populated by car owners period let alone EV owners. A joke but it's the end user /tax payer who ends up paying for it especially in our case as it was a publicly funded housing development. They were happy to just keep throwing money at it.
@@DwaynePipesFirst fix at the moment. Let me make another thing clear, all the above relates to a new building which in many respects is far easier as you can design these features in. Once you start talking about adding these systems into existing buildings you are in a whole new world of pain trust me.
I'm glad I lived in the golden age of travel, when I could go where and when I liked on or in anything. No pay to enter zones no paying thru the nose to park no speed cameras or ridiculous speed limits. All gone or going rapidly, soon to be only a memory for the 50+ generation......". So grandad what was it like back in the free times"? "well first off you could swear freely at anybody, but of course they could do the same back with equal feelings. And you could build a custom car or bike a travel anywhere at will. But you still had to avoid the cops only if they could catch up with you, marvellous times we had being chased "
Some fool with a Tesla was changing their mobile iPad on wheels using a building power point. I unplugged it. I couple of minutes later, the power thief appeared. I told them to stop stealing power or I would call the police.
They like to always say petrol autos catch fire but now I wonder if those numbers include ones that are burned by proximity to the EDV burning nearby. We'll never know unfortunately.
On the subject of apartment owners paying for expensive updates : I own a flat (apartment) in Edinburgh (UK) which I now rent out. I got a letter from the company that manages common expenses. It noted that the lighting on the stairs was old and prone to failures and that they recommended it be updated with a modern LED lighting system which would provide better lighting, cost less in electricity to run and of course be less liable to fail. The total cost to implement the new system would be somewhere between £50 and £100 per flat ( I don’t remember the exact amount). Of the sixteen flats in the block, I was the only one to approve the new lighting scheme. A long post I know, but it shows how much chance of getting residents to install an expensive sprinkler system costing many thousands per resident there is. I’d say somewhere between zero and never 😂😂
Fun fact: It is costing small towns in rural America MILLIONS of dollars to modify their fire trucks to carry extremely expensive foams specifically blended for the extinguishing EV fires. Turns out the EV industrial complex is a very lucrative industry, and pressure from their lobbies are the only winners in the insane mandates to EV transition.
My wife is the Chairman and Treasurer of our apartment block... I told her EV's should be banned... she agreed... sux to be an EV owner in our block, not that we have any... yet!
@jay-em exactly. I lived in an apartment building a long time ago and every apartment had a small "cubicle" in the basement. Without an electrical socket in it, just a small light fixture. I wanted to build a tiny workshop in my basement cubicle and asked the landlord if I could have an outlet installed. He said "yes, if it has a separate meter and is installed by a certified company". I asked a licensed electrician for an estimate and it was almost 3,000 Marks at that time. That's at least $5,000 adjusted for inflation.
Most petrol car fires are due to electrical problems in older cars as cars get older and insulation breaks down. This suggests similar things will happen with EVs too. Most EVs are still very new. When they get older we can expect the fire rusk to increase.
Not only apartments, but in the UK if you are living in a house with off street parking. The charging issue is not as simple nor convenient as it may appear.
It was announced here in nz a couple of days ago that the ACC (Accident compensation corporation) component in the registration fee of EVs was going to triple from $40 to $120 shortly. 😂😂
This EV fad will not last. The impracticalities and dangers are way too numerous. It will sadly take a huge loss of life before anyone will do anything serious about it. Can you imagine one of these Firebombs going off in the Opera house underground car park.
I started driving at 16 yrs, I'm now 66 yrs. Also dove a transport truck for 45 of those years. I'm not saying it doesn't happen now and then but, I have never seen one ice vehicle on fire that wasnt in an accident at the time of the fire.
My insurance company recently sent me an email concerning EV’s. 1) If I buy one I need to report it to them. 🚗 2) If I do, and park it in my attached garage, my home insurance rates will be affected. 💸 I have no intention of buying an EV, I really didn’t need any more motivation. 😄
LOL who else saw this coming more and more???? More issues an and entitlement for EV owners... Seems they expect everyone to be on board yet don't want to accept it was their choice not ours.....
Here in Norway they had the highest electricity price per kW since around 2012 which is crippling small businesses. Why? Because greedy norway exports electricity to Europe because they run on wind.
Same in Finland, we are splitting atoms to sell electricity to Germany who decided they dont want to produce their own power. This means prices have jumped significantly.
Imagine renting and paying that much for a vehicle. Talk about not using common sense when buying a vehicle when all of this has been well publicised for years now.
Yep, we've got an EVangelist "knob" just like that guy in our apartment complex. He won't even discuss what happens to someone else when his EV decides to go incendiary while it is charging in his garage that just happens to be under someone elses living room.
read a news article the other day saying that developers are getting around the fire suppression requirements by not including EV chargers during the development application/build phase, then retro fitting them after the apartment building is completed. Apparently there is no legal requirement to upgrade the fire suppression system in this scenario.
Will the apartment complex install fuel pumps for the rest of us too? Maybe the apartment should just hire someone to take everyone's car and top it off after everyone gets home from work. That couldn't add much to rent.
In the UK house insurers have become aware of the fire hazards of charging e-bikes/e-scooters in a house - it is not just underground car parks. Just waiting for EVs to be banned from ferries?
Here in South Africa you have to keep in mind high electricity prices, and load throttling. Which means charging an EV may not be a possibility in the future. Plus copper cable theft. Naaaaa. I'll choose an ICE above an EV.
Possibly even more scary that spontaneously burning BEV cars - are BEV Trucks such as the Tesla Semi. The larger battery Tesla Semi has the equivelent of 12 Model Y batteries stacked up. There are very few Tesla Semi's perhaps 200, one already caught fire, on its own; not charging. It went off the road on fire and blocked Hwy 80 for 16 hours. This was in California. On occassion; when an EV fire breaches the metal pack container which contains thousands of individual cells - eject the cells like cluster munitions tossing burning battery cells dozens of yards - the potential to set a building or forest on fire is high. BEVs should be banned until they have a safe battery but the monies invested are vast.
It is not possible to invent the safe one by definition. You wanna have lots of energy which is safe. You either have not much energy or you have a dangeours thing.
EVs are cheap to run, considering everyone else is subsidising them through government incentives and higher vehicle insurance costs to compensate for their risks.
The icing on the cake for Mr. Entitled Tesla driver would be if, after he forked out $2000 on a separate charger, the building management refused to alot him a designated parking space near it 🤣
If you can’t charge on your drive or garage and can’t have cables on the footpath cos it’s a hazard where are you going to charge your car? That’s right charging stations which are more expensive than domestic electricity rates so it’s a win for the charging stations. Then the queues and wait times on top of that. Short ranges and the potential that your car could spontaneously burst into flames right next to other cars or people or property. You think insurance companies will pay out?
Funny watching the comments fill up with evangelists all bleating "but, but, but... ICE cars catch fire more frequently than EVs!" missing the point that EV fires are catastrophic, whereas an ICE fire you can put out with a garden hose... 🙄
Poor Miguel, first he saved the world by trusting the experts, getting vaccinated, and now this.
also most car fires are easily repaired. you know because ice is meant to have a fire inside. its you know the internal combustion aspect.
The evangelists need to read facts first before they bleat that horseshit out.
Comparing numbers of ICE to evshit on the road the numbers and outcome is hugely overrepresented in the evshit
the reality of thermal runaway
is a cognitive dissonance
that may prove to be fatal
mind virus,indeed
Battery vehicle fires are not only catastrophic but are also many many times more toxic.
The ridiculously funny thing is is that EV owners really believe that they are saving the world.
The definition of a useful idiot!
The definition of useful idiots
Goodness junkie.
Only a small part of EV owners. My cousin for example drives a Tesla model Y because it meets her needs perfectly. She doesn't give a flying sh*t about climate change or the environment alltogether.
As soon as someone buy an EV all talk about the environment is gone, then they only talk about charging, range and all the clever trick they use to drive their car
A sprinkler system? Against a blow-torch?
Ridiculous.
@@johnlarsson6029 a blazing EV battery is an extremely savage mix of an electrical fire, molten and burning metal and burning plastic. It is kind of the worst nightmare of every firefighter. Here in Germany the scrapyards which want do deal with scrap EVs are mandated to have roofless shipping containers filled with 10,000 gallons of water. Crashed EVs with compromised batteries have to be stored under water for one or two weeks before they are allowed to be processed as scrap.
More like a Hades Bomb than a Blow-Torch .
Surely there are some of those cute little fire extinguishers in the carpark
More like a Hellfire " metallic cylinder " than a Blowtorch .
It is to safe the building, not the burning EV.
People without critical thinking skills buy EVs!
Oh, how can you say that?! My high-tech coworker with a few STEM degrees, who is also a yoga instructor and Ob.Vi.Ous.Ly vegan, and her developer husband who left Microsoft to work on secret government national security stuff PROUDLY bought a little Fiat 500 EV. They are clearly soooo much smarter than us mere non-vegans. Now, after 20 years of infertility treatments, which had nothing to do with being vegan, they proudly drive their new baby around in it. 😢 Toshers.
We got notice 6 months ago that charging anything EV in our apartment in Sydney is banned.
Pleased to hear that your landlords are looking after you.
@@honahwikeepa2115 my girlfriend lives in an apartment building in Berlin/Germany and she also got that kind of letter about two years ago. After an apartment-owner plugged in his e-bike in the basement of the building and the battery started to smoulder. There building hadn't burnt down, but the fire department had to evacuate the whole building in the middle of the night because of the toxic fumes. What a nightmare. Thank God my GF and the kids weren't at home that night.
@@ghunt9146 They are looking after their investment.
Please send these notice in and publish it so people are aware this joke ain't accepted!
EV = Ends Violently
EV = Environmental Vandalism
Evil Vehicle
Explodey Vehicles
Extremely volatile
Extremely Vulnerable
Not too many years ago we were being encouraged (bribed) to switch to diesel, many perfectly serviceable vehicles were scrapped, now we're being blackmailed, cajoled, guilted, into scrapping perfectly serviceable vehicles, yet again. Not very eco friendly.
And in the UK the ridiculous scrappage scheme, that saw perfectly serviceable vehicles with life in them. Tossed into the scrap heap.
Thankfully I never fell for the diesel propaganda, but many did.
I'm shocked and appalled that people are so oblivious.
At least you spelled it correctly
@@Graeme-rb5ss Sorry, did I miss something?
Are you really though?
Buy your EV. Then try to figure out if it’s even feasible for your situation. Brilliant!
You would have thought somebody who has 'planner' in their job title would have checked out the details before buying the car!
Just like a minus sign, the word "environmental" negates everything that comes after that word.
I'd have thought so, too!
Been saying EVs are a scam for years, as I was a vehicle mechanic . But I used to get a lot of flak from folk, it’s nice to see I was right all along.
EVs look great on paper, being all 0 emissions and no road tax at first, being “cheap to run”, but would cost far more in the long run since they have no resell value after a few years as the cost of replacing the battery is worth more than the car itself.
But what would I know, I was only a vehicle mechanic 🤪
Don't forget the more costly insurance and the need to replace tires more often.
The EV fans like to pretend the maintenance on an internal combustion vehicle is much more than for an EV, but EVs also have hydraulic brakes (need to be flushed ever couple of years, even if few people do so) and gear reduction boxes that are lubricated with transmission fluid. They also have coolant for the motor, just as car engines do. Brakes, wheel bearings, suspension components, tie rod ends, ball joints, etc., are the same on ICE cars and EVs, so no difference there.
The big difference in maintenance boils down to engine oil changes, air filter replacement, and spark plug replacement (not applicable to diesel vehicles of course). On most cars, an air filter can be replaced in about a minute, so that's no big deal, and spark plugs these days last many years, and only take a few minutes to do on most cars. There are exceptions, but most models are not hard to do.
That leaves oil changes. These are easy to do too, and for me it is fun and relaxing, but I understand that for most people it would not be. There are ten minute oil change places all over the place. It's not a huge deal, and certainly not enough so that I would consider an EV! The first time you need to do a real repair on the thing, the convenience factor will go out the window, as you can't just go to Rock Auto or your local O'Reilly and get most parts for one. You have to go to the stealership for all parts, and you often have to wait days or weeks before they arrive. Meanwhile, O'Reilly has most of what I need in stock right now, or if I have to order it, tomorrow. And the price will be far less (particularly with Rock Auto). You can also use the jungle web site, but beware of poor quality or counterfeit parts from third party sellers.
@@tid418Regular service on my V8 pickup truck is $180 at the dealership. That's basically what they're saving on maintenance; $180 once or twice a year.
You day it as nice to see, in other words you didn't know, were just guessing.
But you weren’t an EV mechanic. You know nothing about EVs clearly.
@@dominicgoodwin1147 He clearly does since he knew they are a fraud from the start.
I guess ICE car owners should start demanding petrol bowers in their apartment carparks.....
It would be lovely if the fire/insurance risk issues were the nail in the coffin for EVs.
I think they will be
@@mguytv fingers crossed 🤞 (and toes)
It will be a big contributor
Ultimately they will. ⚔️⚔️
A friend of mine found out about charging at home, car insurance, house insurance, depreciation. Answer = sell the bloody thing, (at a huge loss).
The question is, why don't these people do their homework BEFORE purchasing their EV ?
@@ghunt9146 Ironically 80% are unable to do homework - they never learned how
When EV's were brand new the pundits pushed hard about charging in to a standard 10 amp 240 VAC outlet to 'fully recharge' an EV overnight, but even overnight it's not enough!
Probably about 4 days!!
Yes it proves that you should never take on face value the word of EV spruikers because theirs somehow defies the laws of physics and will fully recharge overnight using 10A 240VAC but yours won't because you live in the real world not some fantasy world like they do based on their lives which seem to be directly related to the copious number of fiction novels they read and they bizarrely believe to be true stories.
240V 10A is 2.4kW. After losses, that is maybe 2.1kW.
Even the tiny 40kW battery on the smallest Nissan Leaf would take 20 hours to charge.
@@cccmmm1234 The Cult of Electric Jesus are creating a culture of fear around recharging. Seriously if you want an EV you have to accept the 'regime' of usage that comes with them. Otherwise don't have an EV.
Your partner over in UK who runs a Porsche Taycan is saying that Porche EV owners in UK are receiving letters advising not to park in garages or near houses.... wtf!
I watch he's videos occasionally & really gives good first hand info from an owners perspective. How EV's are a scam.
Hyundai and Kia recall nearly 3.4 million vehicles due to fire risk and urge owners to park outdoors.
THREE POINT FOUR MILLION.
WTF!!!!!
Ev owners must be forced to pay and be made responsible for EVERY consequence of THEIR CHOICE of vehicle from costs to loss of life.
Here in Germany it's impossible to get permission to charge EVs in underground car parks. In most of them it's even forbidden to park an EV. Politicians are now talking about forbidding the storage of lithium batteries above a certain capacity in any none designated building. And just to point out what that really means, this law could also include many private garages as well.
Perhaps Mr. frohlich should have checked this before getting involved with an EV?
Just a thought.
I had the same problem with my steam traction engine - the apartment owners wouldn't build me a coal bunker and install a water tap. And they wouldn't harden the floors and give me a big enough parking spot.
You would have thought that 19th century law would have catered for this - seeing as how back then everybody travelled using steam.
choo, choo!!
I just wish I had room for a steam traction engine.
Mate of mine had a steam roller and Sentinal Wagon in his back yard.
I’m almost in tears for the position he finds himself after being a total tool and buying an EV he can’t charge my heart bleeds for him. 😂😂😂😂
Can you imagine? Shopping centres?! The poor lamb! Associating with commoners. 😮😮😮
Brilliant report
Imagine, just before the Federal election, an EV starts a fire in a multileveldisplacing 800 residents. Won’t Bowen and Albo like that!
MGuy, you have to cover the tragic story of two people that were found dead in a lifeboat two weeks after their sailboat (powered by a Nissan Leaf battery platform) mysteriously disappeared from radar in the middle of the pacific (in calm seas)
It is widely suspected that the batteries went into thermal runaway causing them to abandon ship so quickly they didn’t eleven have time to put any supplies into the life raft that inflated and deployed automatically.
The fact that not a single shred of the yacht has been found suggests it burned down to the waterline and sunk to the bottom of the ocean with only the keel left intact.
This reminded me about a wealthy looking lady parking her Tesla next to (regular) maintelance plug in the garage of office park building 10 years ago. There were a lot of general announcements for leaving sauna stove on 10 minutes too long, and many times, it was switched off during the heating cycle before I could use it. But there was never a general announcement on Tesla owners illegally gouging electricity from the building.
sounds like he's miffed because he thought he could get everyone else to pay for his travel🤣 the self entitlement in EV drivers is off the charts
Buy first, think afterwards.
Sales first. Customer service support zero
Part of the accessories for an EV should be a 6x6mtr cast iron box that you locate at least 25 mtrs away from any building where you park the thing and where you can charge it. When it goes bang as it will at least it is then a box that can be picked up and put straight into the metal chipper. Actually if you got two boxes one on top of the other you could fill the top one with water and drown the damn thing remotely especially if the doors were sealed. I suggest petrol might just be a better option.
I haven't seen a gas station in underground parking but I have seen many high voltage EV chargers in underground parking of Shopping Malls, Hospitals and worst of all apartment complexes. Unfortunately many of those chargers in Apartment parking are installed by people who aren't qualified and doing this for the very first time and that's why I gave seen many chargers installed right next to stairs and lifts.
In our shopping mall all the many charging stations are beside the mall's exit doors to the parking, i. e., beside the elevator and escalator. Much easier for everything to go straight up several floors in an instant.
Yes, funny how they need an EV charging station every ten feet, yet you can go miles between gas stations. 😂
This will develop into "no, you can't take your EV onto the Channel Tunnel, a ferry or multi-storey car park". The only question is whether it will need a major disaster with loss of life first.
It will take the loss of lives. There was that fire at one of the London airports already. Mguy viewers remember, but most people don't.
EVs have already taken lives but it takes a full on Disaster like the Grenfell Towers to get their heads out of their bums.
And even then it takes another 5 years of constant reminders and public pressure to get them to act.
Especially in the EV case because they first have to admit they were wrong, I've never heard a Polly say "I was Wrong"
Wasn't this Luton Airport? This was found to be a diesel in the end. Took out 1350 vehicles with it in 2023. @@the_mowron
He should have contacted the apartment complex owners before he bought the EV. It's his own fault
In the UK 24 flat block. We were informed each flat if required would have to install their own EV charging point with power coming from their own supply. The cable installation for each flat was going to be many £thousands and most would not have enough capacity for a safe installation.
Same in my country and just wait to hear what the apartment insurance is, if you find a company to insure you and that is for private space outside, not underground parking.
Its the vehicular equivalent of spontaneous human combustion lol.
SHC doesn't actually exist, tho...
Driving my dirty old disease salt dump truck plugs in to the barn to keep it warm in the dead of winter with temps below 0 F and I come in after a night of salting at 2am and one of my favorite channels has a new video it's been a great night!
I'm a Senior Technical Designer working for a housebuilder here in the UK. I've just finished designing one small block of 11 units with underground car parking and after 18 months of deliberation and f-k-ing about (as no one in the legislative system seemed to know what they were doing, or at best were terrified to make a decision due to the implications of Grenfell etc) and loads of consultations with fire officers and building control we final got it approved.
Throw in an EV fire with 100L of unleaded fuel one side, 100L of diesel the other, potentially hydrogen given the building has a 50-year design life (so you have to design it in), and loads of thermoplastics and other flammable materials within the vehicles being stored and the fabric of the building above, and you've got a very expensive building.
In the end we had to put in a dedicated sprinkler system, with its own UPS, 15 tonne break tank and booster set and it came in at £180K + vat and with all the other fire strategy protection / fire safety measures having those 11 chargers added around £250K to the build cost. Factor in an eye-wateringly expensive ongoing maintenance schedule and you're looking at £300K+
The ridiculous thing is it's an affordable rent / council block so without making controversial comment, I doubt it's going to be populated by car owners period let alone EV owners.
A joke but it's the end user /tax payer who ends up paying for it especially in our case as it was a publicly funded housing development. They were happy to just keep throwing money at it.
Has it actually been built yet?
@@DwaynePipesFirst fix at the moment.
Let me make another thing clear, all the above relates to a new building which in many respects is far easier as you can design these features in. Once you start talking about adding these systems into existing buildings you are in a whole new world of pain trust me.
@@SaintWill70
Pardon my ignorance, is "first fix" a building term?
@@DwaynePipes It means the building is up and they are fitting electrics etc.
I'm glad I lived in the golden age of travel, when I could go where and when I liked on or in anything. No pay to enter zones no paying thru the nose to park no speed cameras or ridiculous speed limits. All gone or going rapidly, soon to be only a memory for the 50+ generation......". So grandad what was it like back in the free times"? "well first off you could swear freely at anybody, but of course they could do the same back with equal feelings. And you could build a custom car or bike a travel anywhere at will. But you still had to avoid the cops only if they could catch up with you, marvellous times we had being chased "
Some fool with a Tesla was changing their mobile iPad on wheels using a building power point. I unplugged it. I couple of minutes later, the power thief appeared. I told them to stop stealing power or I would call the police.
That’s why charging is so cheap. It’s equivalent to siphoning gas from a vehicle owned by the owner.
He's lucky the body corporate didn't order him to park his fire risk on the road, then he would have no access to power.
If I had the appartment I would be speaking to all people sending them videos to convince to ban EV parking in undergound car park.
@@alexk6745me too!
I'm thinking the Tesla guy isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer 😂😂😂🎉
Those 'knowledge gaps' that the fire department speaks about are actually in the brains of EV buyers...
They like to always say petrol autos catch fire but now I wonder if those numbers include ones that are burned by proximity to the EDV burning nearby. We'll never know unfortunately.
On the subject of apartment owners paying for expensive updates :
I own a flat (apartment) in Edinburgh (UK) which I now rent out. I got a letter from the company that manages common expenses. It noted that the lighting on the stairs was old and prone to failures and that they recommended it be updated with a modern LED lighting system which would provide better lighting, cost less in electricity to run and of course be less liable to fail. The total cost to implement the new system would be somewhere between £50 and £100 per flat ( I don’t remember the exact amount). Of the sixteen flats in the block, I was the only one to approve the new lighting scheme. A long post I know, but it shows how much chance of getting residents to install an expensive sprinkler system costing many thousands per resident there is. I’d say somewhere between zero and never 😂😂
Fun fact:
It is costing small towns in rural America MILLIONS of dollars to modify their fire trucks to carry extremely expensive foams specifically blended for the extinguishing EV fires.
Turns out the EV industrial complex is a very lucrative industry, and pressure from their lobbies are the only winners in the insane mandates to EV transition.
My wife is the Chairman and Treasurer of our apartment block... I told her EV's should be banned... she agreed... sux to be an EV owner in our block, not that we have any... yet!
$2000AUS sounds EXTREMELY cheap for all that work. Here in Germany the installation of a separate kWh-meter alone would cost at least twice that.
$2k wouldnt even cover a basic evse installation at a detached dwelling.
@jay-em exactly. I lived in an apartment building a long time ago and every apartment had a small "cubicle" in the basement. Without an electrical socket in it, just a small light fixture. I wanted to build a tiny workshop in my basement cubicle and asked the landlord if I could have an outlet installed. He said "yes, if it has a separate meter and is installed by a certified company". I asked a licensed electrician for an estimate and it was almost 3,000 Marks at that time. That's at least $5,000 adjusted for inflation.
Ev are gay, The Simpsons
Aw, Miguel! Diddums! My heart pumps purple piss for you! A selfish, self-centred individual if ever there was one.
EV's are really not net zero, can some one tell Miguel how they are made especially the batteies.
2k that's it! Wow I would have figured that to cost 12000 USD
Most petrol car fires are due to electrical problems in older cars as cars get older and insulation breaks down.
This suggests similar things will happen with EVs too. Most EVs are still very new. When they get older we can expect the fire rusk to increase.
Yup, they are literally time bombs!!
An EV fire in the Sydney Opera House spiral parking garage would be catastrophic.
Not only apartments, but in the UK if you are living in a house with off street parking.
The charging issue is not as simple nor convenient as it may appear.
Thanks.
If someone in my apartment block parked their EV in the underground carpark, I would be considering selling up or renting elsewhere.
It was announced here in nz a couple of days ago that the ACC (Accident compensation corporation) component in the registration fee of EVs was going to triple from $40 to $120 shortly. 😂😂
FYI in year 2001. "SAFETY"
CHARGING AN EV
IS LIKE HARRISON FORD
TRYINGTO GET THE GOLD SKULLL OUT THE CAVE
Should have asked first
This EV fad will not last. The impracticalities and dangers are way too numerous. It will sadly take a huge loss of life before anyone will do anything serious about it. Can you imagine one of these Firebombs going off in the Opera house underground car park.
LG batteries. ARE CATCHING FIRE
One fire made even more people homeless than arrived illegally in boats yesterday in the UK.
@7:58 Appropriate sprinklers ?
I started driving at 16 yrs, I'm now 66 yrs. Also dove a transport truck for 45 of those years. I'm not saying it doesn't happen now and then but, I have never seen one ice vehicle on fire that wasnt in an accident at the time of the fire.
I imagine it's for similar reasons very light damage in the right place usually gets evs written off.
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I would never feel safe in a building that allowed EV’s to be garaged under the same roof as my dwelling.
My insurance company recently sent me an email concerning EV’s.
1) If I buy one I need to report it to them. 🚗
2) If I do, and park it in my attached garage, my home insurance rates will be affected. 💸
I have no intention of buying an EV, I really didn’t need any more motivation. 😄
LOL who else saw this coming more and more???? More issues an and entitlement for EV owners... Seems they expect everyone to be on board yet don't want to accept it was their choice not ours.....
Ahhh bless! I feel so sorry for this person....where's my tissues I'm filling up here. 😁
Tesla owners all seem to be entitled for some reason. More so than other EV owners.
So, don't burn down the building.......
Lithium reacts with water to generate Hydrogen. Sprinkler systems will just generate more Hydrogen.
Here in Norway they had the highest electricity price per kW since around 2012 which is crippling small businesses. Why? Because greedy norway exports electricity to Europe because they run on wind.
Same in Finland, we are splitting atoms to sell electricity to Germany who decided they dont want to produce their own power. This means prices have jumped significantly.
Imagine renting and paying that much for a vehicle.
Talk about not using common sense when buying a vehicle when all of this has been well publicised for years now.
Yep, we've got an EVangelist "knob" just like that guy in our apartment complex.
He won't even discuss what happens to someone else when his EV decides to go incendiary while it is charging in his garage that just happens to be under someone elses living room.
Always good content, cheers
Since insurance companies always look for ways to deny claims, an unknown (to them) EV charger would be a great way to not pay up.
read a news article the other day saying that developers are getting around the fire suppression requirements by not including EV chargers during the development application/build phase, then retro fitting them after the apartment building is completed. Apparently there is no legal requirement to upgrade the fire suppression system in this scenario.
A damaged or faulty EV battery can thermally run away regardless of whether it is being charged or not.
Go Green go...😂
He did mention putting in a separate meter to pay for the electricity.
For the first time in history, insurance companies might be of use to help us get the EV mandate ripped up.
It was 800 families displaced and 140 cars destroyed.
Will the apartment complex install fuel pumps for the rest of us too?
Maybe the apartment should just hire someone to take everyone's car and top it off after everyone gets home from work. That couldn't add much to rent.
In the UK house insurers have become aware of the fire hazards of charging e-bikes/e-scooters in a house - it is not just underground car parks.
Just waiting for EVs to be banned from ferries?
Here in South Africa you have to keep in mind high electricity prices, and load throttling.
Which means charging an EV may not be a possibility in the future.
Plus copper cable theft.
Naaaaa. I'll choose an ICE above an EV.
I actually find myself siding very much with the insurance companies on this. Do you see what you've done? EV owners? Are you happy now?
Perhaps you should have done your research before buying your milk float Miguel!
Possibly even more scary that spontaneously burning BEV cars - are BEV Trucks such as the Tesla Semi. The larger battery Tesla Semi has the equivelent of 12 Model Y batteries stacked up. There are very few Tesla Semi's perhaps 200, one already caught fire, on its own; not charging. It went off the road on fire and blocked Hwy 80 for 16 hours. This was in California. On occassion; when an EV fire breaches the metal pack container which contains thousands of individual cells - eject the cells like cluster munitions tossing burning battery cells dozens of yards - the potential to set a building or forest on fire is high. BEVs should be banned until they have a safe battery but the monies invested are vast.
It is not possible to invent the safe one by definition. You wanna have lots of energy which is safe. You either have not much energy or you have a dangeours thing.
I want the right to diesel and petrol delivered to my complex too...
EVs are cheap to run, considering everyone else is subsidising them through government incentives and higher vehicle insurance costs to compensate for their risks.
But he said he’d have an energy monitoring plug on it, so a guaranteed replay of the glen waverly leaf incineration.
I refuse to permit EV parking outside my home.
_I think, therefore I have no EV._
I don't think he should even park in the lot, if it is under the building!
The icing on the cake for Mr. Entitled Tesla driver would be if, after he forked out $2000 on a separate charger, the building management refused to alot him a designated parking space near it 🤣
Well he's going to have to MOVE to an EV friendly Apartment block isn't he? ... Try down town Beijing, I hear the rent is cheap.
What happens also with the people that owns an ev but they don’t use in a long period of time and the battery runs low for months??
If you can’t charge on your drive or garage and can’t have cables on the footpath cos it’s a hazard where are you going to charge your car? That’s right charging stations which are more expensive than domestic electricity rates so it’s a win for the charging stations. Then the queues and wait times on top of that. Short ranges and the potential that your car could spontaneously burst into flames right next to other cars or people or property. You think insurance companies will pay out?
I’m going underground going underground reminds me of a song 😂
Are there advanced fire suppression systems adapted for parking garages that can put out lithium-ion fires?
No. The best that can happen is water suppression can stop other vehicles and possibly the building from catching fire.