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Devin Townsend on Empath, Mental Health, The Muppets, Frank Zappa & More
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2019
- Devin Townsend speaks to Christina Rowatt about his new solo record Empath and his touring band, the difference between Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, his relationship with new collaborator Morgan Agren, art as a mental illness, the fundamental differences between men and women, and more. This is our conversation, uncut.
This felt more like a conversation about life than an interview. Thoroughly enjoyed it!
Lamith thank you! That’s what it felt like for me too. So stoked you enjoyed it!
Having Devin compare being an artist to a 'mental illness' is something I've always believed in my art as well. Ultimately, I believe that is why art is beautiful/tragic/moving: It allows us to be vulnerable and use our finite resources as human beings to illustrate the things unseen. Ironically, Devin is my favorite living male musician and Imogen Heap is my favorite female musician. Both represent a different energy entirely but still have a ton of common ground. If the two were to collaborate , I would explode into a mound of stardust and carbon particles.
And then the system comes along and tells you to grow up and get some soul destroying job which doesn't pay enough.
I am only 15 minutes into this & it is already one of the best, most honest, & lovely interviews I have ever seen with Dev. Thank you!
It's 4 AM and I just finished watching the whole thing, there's a really cozy feel about this interview. I've been struggling with depression for a while now and a lot of the subjects covered in this video really got me. I could hear you guys talk for hours. Thank you for this.
Thanks so much dude for taking the time to watch it and share your experiences ... I feel you on this, its personal and you're not alone, at all. I just posted a new Devin video with a few flashback moments from old interviews that aren't on this channel, you may enjoy it: ruclips.net/video/6FAe2p4Gtcc/видео.html
@@TheVoidwithChristina I'm definitely checking it out, thanks.
Wish there were a love button. Heavy Devy is a Canadian treasure, that’s under-loved at home. Great interview!
fivebythree a treasure for sure! The love button is called “subscribe,” haha. Thank you for watching :)
He is under appreciated pretty much everywhere, I think. When he came to portland, the Crystal Ballroom was only half full. Not a big venue. To his credit, he sold it like he was playing for 25,000 people. The consummate performer.
The spaces inbetween is a resounding thought in the chapter that is my life. Thank you for the conversation here. Much love.
It's so sweet! Congratulations on the interview, Devin really is a human being forward in time, as an artist and as a person.
Arthur Pessoa totally!! I like that, forward in time. Thank you!
Loved your past couple of interviews with him as well! Great conversation
Christina, I love the dynamic that you and Devin have together, it's awesome! Looking forward to the next one.
Torchbearer666 it’s my third interview with him, always awesome and relaxed. Talking to curious and creative humans rules so hard.
@@TheVoidwithChristina The fact that you both went on a philosophy tangent was awesome. Usually, it's always the bland questions like "how's the tour going?" No one cares! haha..
Fantastic conversation!!!
Charla fantástica!!!
I love to grow with Devin and I love to see his evolution through the years... its a bless he is still here, active and .... so heartwarming person theese days... All the best Devy, and all the best to you Christina as well. THANK YOU BOTH FOR THIS 47 MINUTES OF WORDS and YOURSELVES
Me too, it has been AWESOME to watch and listen to! And thank YOU for watching :)
Could listen to you guys just talk for hours. So engaging and a brilliant watch. Thank you Christina 🤘❤️
Thank you!! I would love to do that. Dude has some fascinating perspectives.
I'm only half way through this interview and it's already opened up so much in me in terms of associations. What Devin said in the beginning rings Korzybski's General semantics ("Map is not the territory"), then that notion of a connection between anxiety and creative process (Kazimierz Dąbrowski and his theory of "Positive disintegration"). Then the empathy (Carl Rogers for example). Then the creative process as a (compulsive way) of coping, which requires courage by the way (Rollo May and his "Courage to create". Vide P. K. Dick's Exegesis which was his way of coping. Then the Ellis' musturbation: 'I have to do it perfectly' vs the feedback loop(one has to make mistakes in order to move forward). Yes it feels like a kind of a counselling session, just shared with a public. Really enjoyed it👏👍👋
This conversation just made me realize that among other things, the internet is one of the major things i use to run from my problems, instead of using it to find people with the same issues as me and to think, its Devin. When this ended it felt like 10 minutes went by. Ive always known that Devin would get it if i talked to him, but he went into places that ive never heard him go into on camera, and its so great. I dont know what to say other than you two are both literally speaking my brain. Its like watching a typical conversation between me and myself, if that makes sense.
Dude this makes me hella emotional. All I've ever wanted to do was that. Conversation is what makes us human. It means the fucking world you got that out of this. You guys are the whole point. Thanks for making it feel even more worthwhile.
Wonderful interview. Thank you.
This was an amazing and deep conversation. Felt very relatable, loved it thanks a lot! :) subscribed.
This was an awesome interview!
I used to think that about Zappa too. Then he clicked for me. There's actually quite a bit of emotion and beauty in his music, he just doesn't do sentiment.
This is the best interview I've ever watched. You made him so comfortable and now I think I know him inside out. Thanks!
Ritwik Singh dude that means a lot! I do my best and get to talk to awesome people who make it easy. Thanks for watching!
I just came across this and it resonates so greatly. Thanks for this!
Thanks Christina
Best interview I've ever seen. A real interview.
Thank you so much!
Thanks Devin, great interview!
And here we are ....most of the world in Lockdown during the Covid 19 pandemic ..... How many of us had the insight to see that we couldn't possibly carry on" living" the way we were. My personal feeling that there is too much emphasis on "Mental Health" and many people feeling that there is something wrong with them just because they don't "fit" into what is perceived as "normal". Thank you, thank you for people who FEEL, who express themselves, who look for Truth, who question things, question Life.....Question their purpose or place in life....Look at the absolute wealth in Devin's music and sharing. I hope he realises his place in this time and the comfort and joy with people that appreciate him as a fellow human and as an artist, musician and writer. How his Truth has touched our lives in some way. Not only should we be thinking about and discussing the differences of men and women but we should also be questioning and speaking up for what is "Mental illness"..... if we were more open to receive the gifts that people who are sensitive and perceive things on a much deeper level we would be able to understand more about ourselves the natural process of our own personal evolution. From a shamanic point of view mental illness stems from a 'dis-ease' of the Spirit of a person. We need to understand more about the Spiritual self and integrate it, something the western world doesn't acknowledge, there simply isn't the framework for us to relate to this part of ourselves because much of it has been forgotten and lost. The baby tossed out with the bathwater so to speak, when organised religion came into being and the Natural Spiritual lives that were lived in harmony within Natures laws were condemned. People are told and believe there is something wrong with them, even people in history that are now considered as geniuses were considered to be mad or have mental Health issues and yet they too had something very valuable to offer Humanity. It takes courage to show up for Life.....its often a difficult journey, navigating oneself through the shit and illusion that we have found ourselves living in in this time. The only Truth is within the Heart, and using our personal gifts and skills to express what is felt in the way we feel is right for us and sharing our gifts with the world. ....Love is the only Law
I am a huge Zappa fan, and Devin's music had a massive effect on my formative years. I love the serendipity that Zappa gave Vai his start, and Vai did the same for Devin. I understand his take on Zappa's music. It's a fair point. But Zappa (and Beefheart's) music touches my heart.
And that's the whole point, isn't it? I love describing Beefheart as romantic. They have given great gifts to the world. :)
I loved this interview so much, it felt like a natural conversation!
On a side note- At least to me personally when Devin was talking about empathy vs. Narcissism I don't think (and I'm not 100% sure though I could be completely wrong) that most narcissist's wouldn't be sensitive to other people's energy as intensely vs an Empath. That's just my opinion though. I believe that Devin is one of the most genuine people on the planet and if he was narcissistic I don't think he would come off as genuine and caring as he does. Thank you for the great interview :)
Another great interview Christina. You're one of the best on RUclips for going deep with all my fav musicians. As a musician and fellow Australian, it makes me proud and motivated.
Spectral Cognition thank you so so much, what a lovely thing to say. I try to do these artists and fans justice and it’s super cool you feel proud and motivated. Now I feel that way!
@@TheVoidwithChristina Keep up the good work. If I saw you at a gig in Melbourne I would buy you a beer for how many hours I've spent listening to your interviews.
Man y'all stuck the landing with that final point XD way to bring it back around. I really enjoyed this interview!
Thank you!
Every time I see HevyDevy, I just want to hug someone & brighten up their day.
Wow what a great interview! I love Devin! Such an intelligent, curious, emotionally advanced soul... very interesting.
An imperfect perfectionist, the proverbial dog chasing its tail. I love Devin Townsend, he’s so cerebral! Philosophical comes to mind when I think of him. He doesn’t give himself nearly enough credit for how much talent he has.
Loved every second of this interview. Superb! :-)
Thank you so much! :)
This conversation is so deep. How can someone not like Devin? He is so honest and genuine.
Agreed.
Great Coversation. I really enjoyed it. :)
Thx for touching the mental health topic, its the awesome to hear it come from one of my favorite artist.
Well I quess I have one more thing to say: I absolutely loved this conversation too.
2 minutes IN AND IT GOT SO INTERESTING
Jamie Gangel: "...how does Frank Zappa want to be remembered?"
Frank Zappa: "Eh..it’s not important."
Jamie Gangel: "Not important at all?"
Frank Zappa: "Uh uh."
Jamie Gangel: "Wanna be remembered for the music?"
Frank Zappa: "It’s not important to even be remembered. I mean, the people who worry about being remembered are guys like Reagan, Bush, these people want to be remembered, and they’ll spend a lot of money and do a lot of work to make sure that remembrance is just terrific."
Jamie Gangel: "And for Frank Zappa?"
Frank Zappa: "I don’t care."
Frank's compulsion to his work was with him from beginning to end and had nothing to do with any ideas of legacy.
eh. he was being flippant because the interviewer pissed him off by asking that question. he was clearly annoyed, not ready to die and a bit angry about it. all human being want to be remembered. he didn't record and meticulously catalogue his entire legacy for no reason.
@@chickenbeek It was definitely not the first time he voiced this sentiment. Frank "I don't give a fuck if they remember me at all" Zappa was a ridiculously prolific workaholic and a (perhaps overly) shrewd businessman. He documented all of his creative output in order to be able to make money from it into the future, e.g. the releasing of live material etc in between his bigger projects. It was not with a grand vision that this would all be enshrined after his death. Joe Travers will tell you it wasn't exactly 'meticulously catalogued' as they are still discovering things in there that were just casually stashed in his vault with little regard for long-term preservation. Indeed, material has already been lost. I would never have remote confidence in a wildly absolute statement like, "all human being want to be remembered", but I do believe Frank was sincere each and every time he expressed his indifference to the idea of a posthumous legacy. Everyone will be forgotten.
Chickenbeek he wasn’t pissed off at all. I didn’t expect his answer and was glad to get his perspective on it. Sometimes it’s cool to get some resistance and see what people aren’t into. :)
@@TheVoidwithChristina I just watched it again. I remember that stare really well. He doesn't seem as mad as i remember, but I still think it came from a place of annoyance and cynicism. But he turned it in typical Frank fashion into a parable upon those who he made fun of all his life. Again, the very fact that he recorded and catalogued and saved meticulously all of his works kind of shows that he wanted to be remembered. It's just human nature. But he liked to separate himself a lot from "normal" human nature, so it's just typical of the type of thing he would say.
Also, if he really didn't want to be remembered, he probably would have told Gail, his wife or Dweezil, don't play my music, don't push it or sell it. I'm dead. My music dies with me. But it was total opposite of that. She said almost immediately that she would be the steward of Franks music and never let it or his memory die.
And since she died Dweezil has also done the same. Maybe that was just their decision. But, i think it was a family affair. I think Frank absolutely hoped he would be remembered or at least his music would be. Which, is part of him hence... and ergo... blah blah blah
the dude has an unmarked grave
Devin: “yeah, music and stuff, cool.”
Also Devin: “oh yeah btw what do you think about supposed genetic and cultural gender differences and how these differences may manifest in the way each gender assumes alleged traditional societal roles that may or may not be the result of arbitrary imposition by a dominant sub set of members of a priviledged group? Anyway what is up with that?”
That was great. I dare say I heard some shit that I needed to hear. Thank you both.
Stellar conversation, far beyond the concept of an interview. I hope I can get the chance to discuss mental illness and societal perceptions with Dev someday, since I've been dealing with it since age 10.
I feel you man. Not quite that young, but it has definitely been a part of my entire adult life. It was a dream to have a nuanced conversation with someone I respect that much. I'm not some huge RUclips celebrity - I find that shit incredibly hard, just promoting yourself relentlessly, but I know it is important - and he chose to spend some time with me to get really deeper than I've gone in an interview before. Lets all be glad he exists.
Love this 🙏🏼
What an interesting conversation. You should talk to/with him every chance you get!!!
IanVase indeed I should! And thank you!
@@TheVoidwithChristina Most welcome!!!
I saw him in his empath tour in dallas at the Granada theater and my only regret is that I didn't stay there long enough to meet him in person. He's such a badass ..
i love your profoundly honest and interesting and intelligent interaction and exchanges Christina,,you are every bit as enjoyable to watch and learn from as Joe rogan,Joey diaz ,Kate quigley,,even vanilla cake seinfeld ,,and David letterman....i know you rate Andrew denton ,and thats fine obviously,,,but you are so honest,candid,genuine,and thats why you get the most out of the minds that can offer the most,,,so,,thanks again!!!,,,love your work.and if you have a guest ask you questions it obviously shows that they are genuinely enjoying the exchange,,,,and they like you as a fellow human,,,for me,,this was like being a guest at a wonderfully ,beautiful, pleasant dinner party for three.
Thank you SO much dude!
It's always important to observe your own behavior with curiosity rather than judgement
Everything & Nothing. Good summary of a great conversation.
Got me with the Amanda Palmer reference about what artists do. Always like to learn more, so subbed.
somniavitasunt awesome!! I loved it too, rang so true for me!
This is a fantastic interview. The best I have watched so far with Devin. I think it is great because he was finally interviewed by an intelligent person that could really carry a deep conversation with him. Most interviewers I have seen talk to him are idiots and so Devin kind of feels like he doesn't have enough juice to express himself as the deep thinker he is. Christina really adds a lot to this and makes the whole conversation really profound and enjoyable. Cheers. Thanks for this.
This moved me, thank you.
"It's almost like the goal is to run out of things to write about" I feel that for sure. Art in general is a release of all of the shit that your mind has to process. I spend so much time learning about all the amazing and horrific things which make up our world and I am forced to push that energy back out in some way or another. Be it painting, music, or just self-destructiveness. Good thing the world has a pathway to let artists sustain themselves through their process... wait... 🤔
When you come in to interview Devin only to be interviewed by him.
Such a great person Devin is..
Yes!
From the heart 💓💓❤️
This is how you make interviews!
Michael Hansen thank you!
Loved it ☺️🌈💓
Devin, you are a master of musicianship, but I'm glad you give it up for Zappa... even if you're not into him that much.
"Everything and Nothing" a wonderful album by Hammock
I can always count on Devin providing really insightful comments about existential matters that are fundamental to understand ourselves, but are also extremely complex. I'm currently conflicted about that stuff; I'm nowadays convinced that, as physical beings, we can only understand reality (whatever that may be) through the limited scope of our senses. In that sense, our complex reasoning, whose origin I still can't believe is even possible for simple primates, probably has access to a more complex reality that anyway might escape our physical perception. If I started plunging into metaphysical considerations, I feel it's unlikely for us to reach something closer to "the truth", so it feels like a lifetime endeavor that can actually outlive us for eons. But again, I really don't know anything. I'm a physical being with electrical wiring that wants to process stuff beyond the physical. Are we, as humans, infused with thinking that belongs to a domain different from our own?
Man, again, I just don't know anything.
Maybe knowing we don’t know anything and pondering everything is all we can do? Thanks for sharing your thoughts dude 🙌
Consciously or unconsciously, we ALL seek validation.
I love the interviewers voice
Thank you!
I'm kind of angry. Why can't I talk to my friends and family about these topics on this level?
I applaud you both for going this deep about these topics.
You don't have to chime in every time, let him finish his thoughts...
Regarding the comments at about 46 minutes in ... we bridge the gap with COMPROMISE! And that's the one thing we humans currently refuse to do. Why do we insist on NO COMPROMISE? We must all sacrifice a little and meet somewhere in the middle and understand we're not all going to be happy with the result, but maybe we'll live a little longer. Sorry for the rant. Needed to comment on that.
I agree completely. I think one of the biggest issues in our insanely polarised world is the lack of awareness that we need a critical mass to make anything happen. People shout themselves hoarse trying to be right, rather than to do what's right. If people aren't working towards coming to a common place with people who they don't agree with, nothing changes! It can be punishing to watch. Hopefully we can learn how to do this as humans before some giant apocalyptic event forces us there.
the camera kept making think i was going blind but they both beautiful creatures
you're a great interviewer. Engaging but NOT annoying and self indulgent
He'd never be on Joe Rogan Experience but I wonder what they would talk about... besides Joe trying to get him on dmt
I think Joe is a pretty good listener, and he is big enough to acknowledge when he is out of his depth. He isn't the best interviewer, but i think he does a decent job a lot of the time.
I think it'd be an interesting conversation.
I respect Rogan a lot and have enjoyed a ton of his interviews, especially with comedians and scientists. I have to say the music stuff he's done hasn't really ever been that strong ... it seems like it is not his world. That kind of reach would be good to have, however.
The Void with Christina I cringe when rogan discusses music, but I don’t mind his talks with musicians.
Feeling good is something you have to be ok with allowing yourself to feel good.
If the presence of something negative in the world is a reason to choose to feel negative emotions then you should be very happy, because you will always be able to find something negative in the world.
Thinking positive is just another of a million choices we have at any given time. It won't, "cure," feeling negative emotions, or thinking negative thoughts. It's almost irritating to hear people giving such simplistic advice, for something as complex as human emotions and thoughts, but it's just as irritating when people are dismissive and condescending towards any person , viewpoint, or advisement, that lets go of the need, or the attachmentb, to negativity. The belief that the normal default condition is unhappiness is a choice, just as much as the unhappiness itself.
As for the topic of sex, I am extremely fortunate, and blessed, in that sex is not release it is connection, it is an opening of the most honest and deeply felt of anything and everything, that is a mutually loved and cherished opportunity to express all of this with my life companion, my best friend, my wife.
Btw, having a true empathic sense is possible for any and all human beings, some of us just tend to choose to distance ourselves and shut ourselves off from a lot of these deeper human experiences, what some people mistakenly call higher levels of consciousness, when it has nothing to do with states or levels of consciousness, and can be felt very clearly in normal awakened consciousness that we all experience. Just the mere suggestion of a statement like I just made is often met with a certain percentage of people finding it interesting and worthy of further exploration, while another percentage of people tend to meet that statement with not only what comes across is irritation and having been insulted by some statement of such incredible stupidity that they must meet it with hostility, open hostility, anger, and hurl insults at anyone foolish enough to actually make such a ridiculous statement, and percentage of those people who find that day 2 true to the world that there is is the proper Outlook in the ridiculous statement just made must be shown to be ridiculous bye shoving that hostility towards the barrier of the ridiculous statement. Fortunately for the empath, just because you are able to be aware of another person's emotional condition or their irrational emotional response to a statement that was harmlessly made to make conversation, the empath doesn't have to care about that person's random emotional car wreck happening inside their mind as they are insulted by the ridiculous statement that has absolutely nothing to do with them personally.
"Don't call me white" is a great song.
onion dialogue extraordinaire 👂
❤
Christina is so hot it's almost annoying. If I had a Aussie girl that looked like that and had her personality and musical tastes, life would be complete.
Her appearance gets commented on a lot, but this isn't to overshadow that she's also an amazing interviewer! Very few people ever manage to get such compelling stuff from subjects, seemingly effortlessly.
Devin is an awesome musician and a deep guy to get into it with. I wouldn't be here today if it weren't for Ocean Machine and Strapping Young Lad. Really glad these two people ran into each other and posted their conversation for us to hear.
Thank you so much dude, made my day.
46:49 How about figuring out that we are not what we do. We are not what we feel nor think. Too strict association with our beliefs (or social conditioning) can cause divisions. How about appreciating and enjoying ourselves more as processes, persons in a perpetual state of making?
What Devin’s talking about is hyper vigilance. I believe you said that as well
So much Muppet talk, LOL!
If you can’t talk Muppets with Devin, who CAN you talk to about those important issues? Dr Teeth and the Electric Mayhem foreverrrr
Zappa was the complete antithesis of Beefheart!!😂 Love me some Zappa...
Watching this 12/23/2020... : 41:29 Savor The Irony........
Duude friends have called me about this shit ...
41:25 Well...
I once wrote a shitty review about this interview.
As time goes on I felt bad about what I wrote, and have matured with experience and time.
Looking back the interview was good l, and my review was crap.
There's a lot to learn from this interview and the discussion.
I remember that comment! Something about that I should not have talked at all or something? I vaguely remember your thumbnail, haha. Hey its pretty cool of you to come back and say that man. I have a pretty incredible youtube comments section overall - some really cool, respectful dudes with great taste in music who always make it about the content - and this really a testament to you yourself being a part of that community.
Welcome back. Stoked you got something out of this. He honestly rolled into this and said, lets just talk. Also, you should suss his 2021 chat we just did: ruclips.net/video/BMs4EXpiJZc/видео.html
Hope you enjoy! Glad you feel like you're evolving mate. We're all on the path!
Wow! Beauty and the beast...but both beautiful really
Yeah - her grinding feminism and faith in authoritarian utopia doesn't need to be a permanent disfigurement.
Paul McCaffrey thank you! And I agree, dude is a totally beautiful human. You were the first comment and it made me so happy. I don’t know what dude above is saying, but oh well! People will say things. Stoked the best people watch my videos. :)
I'm not a huge 'heavy' music fan (with a few exceptions) but I like the way you interact with people, how you talk and move the conversation forwards without just barraging them with questions that you feel you need to ask, even though there might be something else more interesting right there. You are undeniably a beautiful woman but you are much more and that's what counts in the long run :-)
here after the cataclismic world event happened :p
Devvy has a lot to control but he does it quite naturally. That never used to be the case
What is this? Half the time it's her trying to say what she likes. Does anyone know what an interview is ?
I think, for me at least, the constant questioning the self is a form of self-harm. Not the individual act but the frequency of the experience.
Spencer CCFT that just means you have shit to work through. The more friction during introspection, the more energy needed to pass through. The energy required: love. And if you don’t have the ability to cultivate that within, then more work must be done first.
Or something.
@@MaxCS06 At the moment it's tough. This heroin dealer has my brother-in-law wrapped around her finger, parents-in-law too and I am frequently bullied by her in my own home without anyone to assist me except my wife.
Spencer CCFT that’s a fucked situation. I recommend contemplating things you’re currently grateful for, regardless the heaviness of this situation. If it’s truly felt, you will be rewarded with less burden. And in your situation, that means all kinds of shit.
All that aside, protect yourself and your wife at all times.
@@MaxCS06 Will do friend, thanks for your input.
I had more fun listening to this than that empath album...the album was made under contract, so in my opinion the "meditation background music,nature sounds" in the album were basically Devin saying fuck you to the label
11:45 christinas mind is blown.
Mind blown the whole time, haha.
Devin is engaged /married?
I believe he's been married for almost twenty years, as far as I know. :)
@@TheVoidwithChristina i thought so too but then I saw somewhere that he was single so that's why I reacted. It is wonderful if he is married since 20 years. Unusual these days. 😊
I don’t get why people make assumptions of the contribution of biological predispositions vs societal nurturing with no evidence of what the breakdown is....
I don't think it is a binary thing you can confirm conclusively that is a universal certainty across all cultures. All you can really do, without hard research, is ponder the subject. :)
Yeah you’re right. All we know as that there is both at play when considering people’s lives and proclivities. I really don’t understand racists and misogynists who claim 100% biological predispositions or the newer “far left” people who claim 100% social construction and say for example that there are no biological differences between men and women. It seems that social constructionism theory is becoming more fashionable in modern conversations / media these days. It is fascinating to think about.
I believe this woman missed pretty much most of what he said, drew too many generalities, and is quite arrogant. I see her just experiencing being lost and making excuses for her lack of understanding, becoming defensive then randomly drawing her own conclusions in defense. I learned a lot watching this session.
I appreciate you watching, but if any of that were the case, there is zero chance dude would have hung out for an hour. I don’t profess to be an expert, just a curious stranger (as a journalist). If you don’t like it, feel free to click away :)
3:45 white male here: absolutely NO privilege in 2019 & beyond
That just ain't the case in reality in fact, MY LIFE sucks & has much struggle but I keep going & WORKING
Laziness isn't anyone's friend, nor placidity or accepting failure. Discipline & moving on from loss is key. We all fall, gtf up & quit whining or looking for others to help. Men are here alone, so we become capable with integrity & actually trying but it's far from easy & nothing's given but a hard time free. Toodles
think of it like this: when you're white and poor - well, at least you're not black and poor. then consider this: at least you're not a black and poor woman. that's privilege. it's not saying that you in particular have any kind of special advantage, but a general thing, where in multicultural societies, there is a group that experiences less discrimination by virtue of them occupying nearly all the positions of power. sure, life sucks for everyone, but it sucks in "special" ways for some.
@@visionofdisorder quantify that, and then explain to me how it doesn’t trivialize the struggles of young white people who are indeed struggling.
It’s an extremely dangerous, immeasurable idea, and in my opinion has no place in open discourse, as it only discourages certain groups from connecting with others.
@@Slayerformayor1983 i generally agree, i'm just explaining to you what that concept *should* mean. unfortunately a lot of people do take it to mean that we shouldn't care about x people's problems. is it immeasurable, though? not exactly. there are studies about it.
then again, i think a biological race difference in IQ is also real, and i find that a measurable idea that stifles discourse, as well.
the list of untouchable topics just seems to pile up and i wonder where the end is. maybe people should grow the hell up?
@@visionofdisorder wow, racists much? Jesus ...
@@girshin i don't think you can read if you think i'm being racist
Interviewer, let him talk.
Yeah, sometimes it was annoying hearing him being cut off but other than that it was great.
It felt more like a nice conversation rather than an interview. It felt natural to me :-)
It seems like you're defensive about weather he's like "man-splaining" or something. Like you're trying to outwit or outsmart him...lol. This guy is a living legend...a genius. Please.
It is an accomplishment when you act more awkwardly than Devin
41:51 the moment she gets up on a soapbox.
Devin asked her about gender roles and she blabs about UN and Syria, trying to sound smarter than she is.. Lady, it's not about you.
As soon as he gets into a somewhat "feminist" talking point it's like she forgot this is an interview with a musician... Not an ideological argument. Painful to watch. Yeah, he asked you a question. It's your job as an interviewer/journalist to address that but then turn the attention back to your actual subject.
Hey there, thanks for watching / the feedback. As far as that is concerned - I am completely unused to being asked questions in an interview, and interpreted what he was asking in the wrong manner. Usually I would cut something like that out, but this was an exercise in seeing how the full conversation would be received, as I know Dev has a devoted following. Because I feel super comfortable with him after three interviews over eight years, I accidentally talked about what I have been thinking about, rather than responding to what he asked - as I said, I'm not used to questions directed to me. I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination. I was just thinking about Cheney and waterboarding and Iraq, Obama and drones, our detention centres here where we have detained people without charge for years. What is happening in America with families at the border. What is happening in Syria, where innocent people no longer have homes. What is driving people out of their countries, and what we could do about it. The difference between people like Jeff B and the Gates family. As I said, I have no idea what I'm talking about on a deeper level, but I know the set up of the Geneva Convention which is meant to prevent these kind of things against humanity recently had its 70 year anniversary and it made me ponder what it was like after WW2 when people were tried in the Hague for crimes against humanity. Back when there was allegedly a system in place that held all our countries accountable. Sorry if it bothered you so much - it really wasn't intentional. As I said I appreciate you watching the whole thing, I work really hard on this stuff so whether you dig it or are pissed off, I appreciate you being here. Also, he pointedly said to me he'd rather talk about bigger stuff than just music. That's just the kind of person and artist he is.
@@pattycrabby9749 I was just explaining what I did, and the motivation. That's cool you did that. As I said, thanks for watching. No one is perfect.
Seems like whether or not it's "painful to watch" has a lot more to do with what your personal expectations are rather than if it's an objectively good or bad interview :/
For me it was like an organic conversation moreso than a series of deliberate questions and answers. And it seems like Devin talked about exactly what he wanted to talk about which I can appreciate. At least I thought it was interesting.
What's this? Someone disagrees with me on the internet? It's so unheard of!
yawn cool story