I have never stated Kurt told me to keep the shells. He was very insistent to return those shells to his home. Never ever stated that Kurt wanted me to keep the shells. That is thr truth.
@@harveyottinger5572It's a pleasure to see you be interviewed and to be able to communicate with you. Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I was wondering what exactly you meant by there being "shadowy figures" at Kurt's mansion when you were waiting for Kurt to come out. Was there anyone specific you saw and what did these people look like? Did any happen to look like a detective/private investigator? Thanks again.
@@harveyottinger5572It's a pleasure to see you be interviewed and to be able to communicate with you. Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I was wondering what exactly you meant by there being "shadowy figures" at Kurt's mansion when you were waiting for Kurt to come out. Was there anyone specific you saw and what did these people look like? Did any happen to look like a detective/private investigator? Thanks again.
I was unable to return the shells. I had a full time job and the limo job kept me busy. I was very aware I needed to get the shells back to his house. My busy schedule prevented me from doing this.
Absolutely LOVE the shirt! My first tattoo ever was Kurt’s only tattoo (K records logo) in the same place he had it but as I was a dumb kid with a tattoo kit and I wanted to know what it felt like but as I grew older and got more I covered it up with something a lot more meaningful and now everytime I see that tattoo on someone’s arm I laugh but cringe at the same time 😂
@@crysvicious When did he say that in 'Last 48 hours'? I thought he said pretty much what he said here, that Kurt was adamant that Harvey returned the shells to his place.
So March 30th, Wed: Kurts plane to Exodus, 8pm or so. Kurt says to the driver he purchased a shotgun and the driver, Harvey, says here Kurt accidentally left the shells in this limo (or on purpose? - in Montage, Harvey says Kurt told him to keep them? Why is Harvey needing to change or accidentally changing his story here?). Did Kurt have a premonition and leave them on purpose? Per Harvey, this interview: Kurt asks him to bring the shells by and he keeps delaying on that all week, busy. Dylan is later caught lying saying he was in the limo when Kurt gave Harvey the shells. Dean here wonders how Dylan even knew Kurt would have to get more shells cause he left them with Harvey on the 30th alone, and Dylan had no access to the police report. April 1st Friday, pre dawn, Kurt flees Exodus and gets a plane flight home. He is picked up by Linda, a driver in another Chauffer company. April 2nd: Right now our theory is Cali or Dylan dressed in a Kurt wig the house had for things and that Danny Rich now possesses (or did) that he brags about, then Cali likely or maybe Dylan ate at a breakfast diner in such wig waiting for the gun store to open then bought the shells, just buckshot shells weirdly, whimpy, and that was the box that killed Kurt possibly, it was at the crime scene too neatly placed. What day does the police report say that purchase happened?= The police say Kurt bought them the morning of April 2nd but Kurt was already dead by then. Wodajo Abeye in a grey topped taxi picked this individual up on April 2nd so he needs to be questioned. Joe said Kurt was hiding out from two detective types for a couple days after April 1st return from Exodus but it was just April 1st possibly when he was and then he was harassed and shot up all night then Joe heard the gunshot and he and Bonnie and Jen and Cali fled to Jens pre dawn of April 2nd (or April 3rd and the box bought on the 2nd was used to kill him?.. Joe said the ordeal went on for awhile and they were driving back and forth to the house). Then they cleaned everything up and made the crime scene a little too perfect by April 4th/6th when Grant conveniently fails to see the dead body but says all is too clean per Dylan. Grant was there since April 1st or 2nd though per Joe. Then April 5th the police report says Kurt killed himself, which is idiotic. Most the 18 in the house were at Jimmy Boyles house in LA by then getting their stories straight from the 4th to 6th. Then Thursday the 7th the Electrician is called in to intentionally find him and Friday the 8th all is reported. This is how I see this interview with Harvey clearing up alot, thank you both.
Why would they need to dress like Kurt to buy bullets? Anyone with a gun license can go to a hunting or gun store and buy bullets without question. And didn't Kurt die on April 5th?
@@MoonMaiden6779 Thank you, where does he say that, which number interview? I won't be able to piece this all together correctly till I know that window of 1:30-4:30 AM (for sure on that), as to which day when the final death occurred; then so much will fall into place that we already know. I will adjust my understanding if Joe is sure of that day, and says why. I'm more on predawn of the 3rd at latest right now though, so I'm not far off...one day, if Joe is saying that. Thanks.
@@WebDevPM I can't remember which video but it is in several of them plus he is in regular contact with WKK, who again asked him recently to confirm the date as someone had queried it. He hasn't deviated from the date. During the rest of the week, when I have time, I will try and nail down which vidoeo and which time in the video he says it -as I said it is in several!
This proves at least that Kurt was not suicidal. Why would someone who doesn’t care about his life take gunshot with him and insist that it’s returned to the house? He must have wanted to take the gunshot he bought for protection with him, so nobody can use it to kill him with his own amo and claim it was a suicide. Also the driver didn’t mention anything unusual about Kurt’s behaviour. If Kurt was thinking about taking his life in the last days, there would be mood swings, anxiety, depression. But it seems he just fears about his life, and calmly gives rehab a shot due to his management insisting. Why would a suicidal person still care about what his management thinks? He would just abandon everyone and prepare to take his life, say goodbye to loved ones, give away possessions etc. but none of this happens, he just returns home, wants to buy new gunshot for protection, goes to his house and hides from Courtney and her friends.
@@iotarask77 there’s a lot of info you seem not know …🙄 Kurt had did and said a lot of things leading up to his death….some arguments with many different people and some things if found out could have had Frances taken away by CPS again due to his drug use ,….perhaps that was his main goal in going to rehab , for Frances ….do you work with people who’ve attempted suicide? If not please educate yourself, they’re impulsive, will act as if nothing as if alls fine and more…also realistically he’d by his own words came off as suicidal multiple times and then said he was fine. He had no friends, was fighting with / not speaking terms with his mom, wife, band mates and management….so who would he be saying goodbye to again? The “friends” he had were all the drug users that were there at the house because they didn’t judge his using and participated…..also he did t take the gunshot he took BULLETS by accident ..big difference ……he always claimed the guns were for protection but there was never a documented police report of intruders. Now on the other hand it’s 2024 and Dylan C is a trump supporting multiple gun owning proudly gun shooting older man which I personally find disturbing that he puts that image out there considering his proximity to Kurt and this case but that’s just me….and it raises red flags to me
@ oh yes…. A self righteous one too of “family values” ….. the morally corrupt Tom who used to frequent strip clubs 🎯🎯🎯 and lived in room he rented from a home of Indian immigrants……..how maga of him no?
@MoonMaiden6779 What does that have to do with anything? William Burroughs supported the Second Amendment and hated big government. Jack Kerouac voted for Nixon and hated democrats. Ginsberg supported NAMBLA. Does that make their work or thoughts less valid?
Awesome video. Thanks for all you do, Kurts Army. I really believe this is the year where we find what really happened to Kurt, and Hollywood is getting exposed right now. I'd love to have one of those shells to put with my collection
Since Courtney was already in LA almost a week before Kurt, I wonder if the address confusion occured earlier that week rather than before picking up Kurt on March 30th
"They had all just purchased new homes" (dave groul n others)." The money was just starting to come in." Even if not paid off/planned to end kurt. They would have needed to stay in the band to pay new places off. Kurt was going to solo artists and divorce wife.
Why would Kurt insist strongly that the shells were returned to his house ?? I mean,,,he could very much afford another box of shells anytime…I think it’s weird that he insisted so strong according to the chauffeur
I have often wondered why he was so insistent on me getting the shells back. All week long it weighed heavily on me. I felt guilty being unable to return them. I was not going to be paid to do this extra trip. I had called Sharon, about this and she told me to return them. I just got caught up in my busy schedule.
@ 1:40 I wonder what "shadowy figures" (people) he's referring to? And why exactly the vibe was so "strange" at Kurt's house? I would love to hear him go into more detail about that. Great interview though! I don't agree with some of the things you say Dean but this is good stuff.
I waited quite a while, I was looking for Kurt to show up. I would see folks moving around and I was anxious for Kurt to show up. I would see figures moving around. At the time it wasn't a big deal. It just felt strange. Not real complicated, just felt strange.
It was a very old spooky property. It's reported that the temperature that week was only in the mid 40's and rainy off and on. The driveway was very long with tall hedges surrounding it and the property itself was definitely in need of some updates. Not to mention Seattle has always been a very dreary place. As far as the shadows in the house it was no secret Cali, and Renae were both living at the house with K&C and both of them had friends and multiple girlfriends in out of the house all the time.
@@thebigbopper6000 I honestly think Rene Naverrette, Cali Dewitt, Jennifer Adamson (Macaulay Culkins half sister), Jessica Hopper (both Adamson and Hopper were girlfriends of Cali so obviously were there separate days/nights) and Eric Erlandson. I may be forgetting or not aware of who else was there. Oh and Dylan Carlson too. I've never been to Seattle but could imagine how dreary it looks! Always have wanted to visit though! I'm in Baltimore City, Maryland so all the way across the country!
@@crysvicious yes, his name is Wodajo Abeye, he was a gray top taxi driver who drove someone who didn't match with the residence (according to the police files) to the gun shop in the morning of April 2nd 1994. Would make sense to ask him, if it really was Kurt himself or maybe someone else dressed or looked a bit like Kurt.
Interesting to note, if memory serves, that after Kurt died, Courtney wanted to know his whereabouts that weekend and contacted cab and limo companies in this effort. Why bother? She maintained to Grant that she would find Kurt by midnight Sunday, despite her numerous chats with Cali on Saturday, and his supposed disclosure to her of seeing Kurt that day. And did Dylan's lie (?) about being in Ottinger's car with Kurt on the 30th serve any function? It is of course Carlson's name that appears on the Stan Baker receipt, which does not list any ammo purchase. The shells may have been thrown in gratis or supplied by Carlson or someone else. The shell that was fired into Kurt's oral cavity was missing the majority of shot (balls). Who removed them and why? It's very hard to believe that all of that documentation (directions, receipts) would have survived the Exodus admission to be found on his person in the greenhouse days later. So did the medical bracelet, but that had occurred before, following a previous hospital admission. Hmmmm.
@@neussischroder5500and everybody around Kurt looked just like Kurt Cali, Dylan, Eric Erlandson, even Mark Lanegan could all pass as Kurt as far as having long shaggy hair, wearing old clothes and all were heavy smokers. Cali was supposedly known to wear Kurt's clothes all the time and go out to stores and shops around the neighborhood to see if he could get mistaken as Kurt.
Could you ask him what kind of luggage Kurt had with him. Was he packed lightly only for a few days, or was he packed for a long stay? Did Kurt seem sober or intoxicated? Was there any noticeable brain damage from the Rome incident?
Great questions! Especially if Kurt seemingly had brain 🧠 damage from the Rome incident coma. It's common for people to get serious brain damage due to the fact your brain is not receiving any oxygen that entire time. I've always wondered why there's no publicly verified video/pictures of Kurt after the Rome incident. There's a debate on whether or not some photos of Kurt/Courtney/Pat Smear/Cali Dewitt at the Sea Tac airport in Seattle is from December of 93' or if taken on March 18th of 1994. I think March of 94' but I can't find a legitimate way to confirm that.
@@YettiManChannel There are photos of Kurt playing with Frances at Exodus, less than a week before he died. His therapist at Exodus said Kurt's main topic of concern was Kevin Kerslake suing him for stealing the Heart Shaped Box video idea. Doesn't sound like he was too out of it.
@@aisle_of_view Great points. I remember reading about that so I agree with you. I still wonder if maybe he was just "off" in some way but yeah seems like he was okay for the most part. Must've been paranoid though towards the end.
@@harveyottinger5572 Mr Ottinger - may I ask why the box of shells was not returned to Kurt's home? Was there any plan for him to retrieve them from you?
You realize you have two stories mixed up. This one is about the ride to the airport. The taxi is what he allegedly took on April 2nd when he arrived back home. This is where the taxi driver said he drove kurt around and dropped him off to get something to eat, after not finding a place to by ammo. There's also the lady limo driver who picked him up at the airport on the 2nd of April around 1230- 100 am.
Right. Kurt gave the first box of shells to Harvey, who didn't return them to the house. When Kurt got back to 171 Lake Wash after his stint at Exodus, he must have realized the shells weren't returned. He saw his tires were flattened so he called a cab to look for a gun shop open early Saturday morning. The taxi driver dropped him off at 145th and Aurora, then Kurt bought the shells from Seattle Guns at 12:02PM, paying $7.52 and receiving $12.48 in change.
No, you should check the facts, Harvey drove Kurt to the airport on March 30th, Linda Walker drove him back on April 1st and Wodajo Abeye drove him or maybe someone else on April 2nd to buy the shells.
@@neussischroder5500yes Greytop .I'm aware. I do appreciate your help. I'm trying to get another driver to talk too.. please don't be a pedant. I see your point..
I always wondered if sonic youth never got dropped from DGC, because they were the reason nirvana signed to them!? And Geffen was just like, these guys made me millions, let them cook! 🤣
Kurt stated he had just bought the shotgun and shells. He may not have specifically bought them but you don't forget those words. They were impactful, especially with what happened.
No it was Linda Walker from Seattle Limousines, who picked up Kurt at Sea Tac Airport in the morning of April 2nd. From the SPD files: Kurt arrived back in Seattle at appx 12:45 a.m. Linda Walker of Seattle Limousines saw Kurt speaking normally to other passengers and he approached her with a “thin smile".
Over the years, I always felt it was a suicide. I have a few doubts about that now. I was a new Father with a daughter at the time. I saw an interview wit Kurt holding Frances. I could feel the love in his eyes holding her. I don't believe he ever wanted to leave her and felt a huge responsibility to be a good father. In many ways, he had so much to live for. He was financially set and had achieved his dream. He could have sat back and stayed out of the limelight without any pressure. Depression is a scary unknown for us all. My mind is open if things could progress. Never understood why the police never followed up with me. Kurt was very nice in our interactions. I could feel his sadness and wanted to tell him things would be alright. I was 10 years older and it wasn't my place to question him. I truly wish he was around today. I wish Fraces had her Father and I know Kurt would have been a great human being.
So if the shells Kurt bought were green someone else must’ve bought the yellow shells and probably just knew that they were Remington. I’m assuming Kurt would’ve told Dylan that he left some shotgun shells in the limo drivers car so Dylan just went and bought some 20 gauge birdshot Remington thinking they would be the same however they do have different colors. I wonder if the fact that yellow shells were found at the scene is a big clue because according to the timeline, I don’t believe Kurt had time to buy shells when he got back into town. I don’t recall anywhere in Dillon story or he said Kurt asked him to go buy more shells thoughts anyone?
@@joelharvey579 The photo of the receipt is in the police report. I just don't see Dylan in a Kurt wig going into a gun store looking like that. Same goes for Cali who was asleep with Jessica that morning and didn't even have a Washington state ID to buy ammo.
@@aisle_of_view yeah he must’ve really been paranoid and probably was aware to some degree of what Courtney was capable of. I think it’s possible that is a reason he gave Dylan that tape that he had been working on. Kurt was very smart and may have suspected Dylan and was trying to make sure Dylan was on his side. It’s a shame that nobody has heard that tape. As a fan, I would love to know what direction he was going with his music.
What's weird about it. Do you not believe it. I really don't care what you think. It's a true accounting of the events that happened. It's all documented by the Seattle Police report. I am now retired and living a great life. It's a moment in time in my life that I have lived and I am a good person and have been all my life.
Exactly. Kurt “dies” and all of a sudden “Rivers Cuomo” appears 🤔 Weezer’s first song on the “blue” album (blue cause Kurt was sad) is called My Name is Jonas. He wanted to make sure no one suspected that his name was Kurt so he wrote this song to throw everyone off. It ties in with the second song “No One Else” … his name is Jonas and he is Rivers Cuomo, no one else. He emphasizes this again with “Buddy Holly” 4 tracks in and we are 100% sure he is anyone else but Kurt Cobain. He doesn’t look like Kurt Cobain. No. He looks like Buddy Holly. (Nice one, Kurt 😉)
I have never stated Kurt told me to keep the shells. He was very insistent to return those shells to his home. Never ever stated that Kurt wanted me to keep the shells. That is thr truth.
@harveyottinger5572 Were the shells that Kurt left behind the same type that were found at the scene? Meaning 20 gauge birdshot?
Not sure what shells were at the . Dean had a picture of the box but not able to get much info.
@@harveyottinger5572 Thank you for the clarification. Much appreciated.
@@harveyottinger5572It's a pleasure to see you be interviewed and to be able to communicate with you. Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I was wondering what exactly you meant by there being "shadowy figures" at Kurt's mansion when you were waiting for Kurt to come out. Was there anyone specific you saw and what did these people look like? Did any happen to look like a detective/private investigator? Thanks again.
@@harveyottinger5572It's a pleasure to see you be interviewed and to be able to communicate with you. Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I was wondering what exactly you meant by there being "shadowy figures" at Kurt's mansion when you were waiting for Kurt to come out. Was there anyone specific you saw and what did these people look like? Did any happen to look like a detective/private investigator? Thanks again.
I was unable to return the shells. I had a full time job and the limo job kept me busy. I was very aware I needed to get the shells back to his house. My busy schedule prevented me from doing this.
Great new content! A reliable witness
This was interesting, something I've never heard before.
That was great thank you! Thank you Harvey 🙏
Glad you enjoyed it!
Absolutely LOVE the shirt! My first tattoo ever was Kurt’s only tattoo (K records logo) in the same place he had it but as I was a dumb kid with a tattoo kit and I wanted to know what it felt like but as I grew older and got more I covered it up with something a lot more meaningful and now everytime I see that tattoo on someone’s arm I laugh but cringe at the same time 😂
I just realized it says “Kurt’s Army” and I thought it said “Kurt’s Arm” lmao😅 guess it wasn’t a joke shirt still cool though!❤️🔥
So, we can safely say that Kurt was aware of the shotgun and the shells.
@@crysvicious It's been such a long time ago now that a lot of what is said can be questioned.
@@crysvicious When did he say that in 'Last 48 hours'? I thought he said pretty much what he said here, that Kurt was adamant that Harvey returned the shells to his place.
So March 30th, Wed: Kurts plane to Exodus, 8pm or so.
Kurt says to the driver he purchased a shotgun and the driver, Harvey, says here Kurt accidentally left the shells in this limo (or on purpose? - in Montage, Harvey says Kurt told him to keep them? Why is Harvey needing to change or accidentally changing his story here?). Did Kurt have a premonition and leave them on purpose?
Per Harvey, this interview: Kurt asks him to bring the shells by and he keeps delaying on that all week, busy.
Dylan is later caught lying saying he was in the limo when Kurt gave Harvey the shells. Dean here wonders how Dylan even knew Kurt would have to get more shells cause he left them with Harvey on the 30th alone, and Dylan had no access to the police report.
April 1st Friday, pre dawn, Kurt flees Exodus and gets a plane flight home. He is picked up by Linda, a driver in another Chauffer company.
April 2nd: Right now our theory is Cali or Dylan dressed in a Kurt wig the house had for things and that Danny Rich now possesses (or did) that he brags about, then Cali likely or maybe Dylan ate at a breakfast diner in such wig waiting for the gun store to open then bought the shells, just buckshot shells weirdly, whimpy, and that was the box that killed Kurt possibly, it was at the crime scene too neatly placed.
What day does the police report say that purchase happened?= The police say Kurt bought them the morning of April 2nd but Kurt was already dead by then. Wodajo Abeye in a grey topped taxi picked this individual up on April 2nd so he needs to be questioned.
Joe said Kurt was hiding out from two detective types for a couple days after April 1st return from Exodus but it was just April 1st possibly when he was and then he was harassed and shot up all night then Joe heard the gunshot and he and Bonnie and Jen and Cali fled to Jens pre dawn of April 2nd (or April 3rd and the box bought on the 2nd was used to kill him?.. Joe said the ordeal went on for awhile and they were driving back and forth to the house).
Then they cleaned everything up and made the crime scene a little too perfect by April 4th/6th when Grant conveniently fails to see the dead body but says all is too clean per Dylan. Grant was there since April 1st or 2nd though per Joe.
Then April 5th the police report says Kurt killed himself, which is idiotic. Most the 18 in the house were at Jimmy Boyles house in LA by then getting their stories straight from the 4th to 6th.
Then Thursday the 7th the Electrician is called in to intentionally find him and Friday the 8th all is reported.
This is how I see this interview with Harvey clearing up alot, thank you both.
Why would they need to dress like Kurt to buy bullets? Anyone with a gun license can go to a hunting or gun store and buy bullets without question. And didn't Kurt die on April 5th?
No, Joe said and is adamant Kurt's death was the 4th.
@@MoonMaiden6779
Thank you, where does he say that, which number interview?
I won't be able to piece this all together correctly till I know that window of 1:30-4:30 AM (for sure on that), as to which day when the final death occurred;
then so much will fall into place that we already know.
I will adjust my understanding if Joe is sure of that day, and says why.
I'm more on predawn of the 3rd at latest right now though, so I'm not far off...one day, if Joe is saying that.
Thanks.
@@WebDevPM I can't remember which video but it is in several of them plus he is in regular contact with WKK, who again asked him recently to confirm the date as someone had queried it. He hasn't deviated from the date.
During the rest of the week, when I have time, I will try and nail down which vidoeo and which time in the video he says it -as I said it is in several!
I personally know The story hasn't changed I heard it from Driver in 1994
This proves at least that Kurt was not suicidal. Why would someone who doesn’t care about his life take gunshot with him and insist that it’s returned to the house? He must have wanted to take the gunshot he bought for protection with him, so nobody can use it to kill him with his own amo and claim it was a suicide. Also the driver didn’t mention anything unusual about Kurt’s behaviour. If Kurt was thinking about taking his life in the last days, there would be mood swings, anxiety, depression. But it seems he just fears about his life, and calmly gives rehab a shot due to his management insisting. Why would a suicidal person still care about what his management thinks? He would just abandon everyone and prepare to take his life, say goodbye to loved ones, give away possessions etc. but none of this happens, he just returns home, wants to buy new gunshot for protection, goes to his house and hides from Courtney and her friends.
@@iotarask77 there’s a lot of info you seem not know …🙄 Kurt had did and said a lot of things leading up to his death….some arguments with many different people and some things if found out could have had Frances taken away by CPS again due to his drug use ,….perhaps that was his main goal in going to rehab , for Frances ….do you work with people who’ve attempted suicide? If not please educate yourself, they’re impulsive, will act as if nothing as if alls fine and more…also realistically he’d by his own words came off as suicidal multiple times and then said he was fine. He had no friends, was fighting with / not speaking terms with his mom, wife, band mates and management….so who would he be saying goodbye to again? The “friends” he had were all the drug users that were there at the house because they didn’t judge his using and participated…..also he did t take the gunshot he took BULLETS by accident ..big difference ……he always claimed the guns were for protection but there was never a documented police report of intruders. Now on the other hand it’s 2024 and Dylan C is a trump supporting multiple gun owning proudly gun shooting older man which I personally find disturbing that he puts that image out there considering his proximity to Kurt and this case but that’s just me….and it raises red flags to me
Shotgun not gunshot
@@catmejia6109Tom Grant is a massive Trump supporter too!
@ oh yes…. A self righteous one too of “family values” ….. the morally corrupt Tom who used to frequent strip clubs 🎯🎯🎯 and lived in room he rented from a home of Indian immigrants……..how maga of him no?
@MoonMaiden6779 What does that have to do with anything? William Burroughs supported the Second Amendment and hated big government. Jack Kerouac voted for Nixon and hated democrats. Ginsberg supported NAMBLA. Does that make their work or thoughts less valid?
Good interview!! #justiceforKurt
Awesome video. Thanks for all you do, Kurts Army. I really believe this is the year where we find what really happened to Kurt, and Hollywood is getting exposed right now.
I'd love to have one of those shells to put with my collection
What else is Dylan Carlson lying about I wonder?
Since Courtney was already in LA almost a week before Kurt, I wonder if the address confusion occured earlier that week rather than before picking up Kurt on March 30th
This address confusion was in 1993
Nice 👍 Justice For Kurt
"They had all just purchased new homes" (dave groul n others)." The money was just starting to come in."
Even if not paid off/planned to end kurt. They would have needed to stay in the band to pay new places off. Kurt was going to solo artists and divorce wife.
Dave is the richest but I doubt he knew the plan.
Yeah, prob not, but sometimes i wonder. He was very weird in interviews when in nirvana. Towards the end, it looks like kurt was annoyed with him.
Why would Kurt insist strongly that the shells were returned to his house ??
I mean,,,he could very much afford another box of shells anytime…I think it’s weird that he insisted so strong according to the chauffeur
Do you have to show ID to buy ammo in WA? Maybe he didn't want to top off the cops if a transaction appeared in the database? Just a guess.
I have often wondered why he was so insistent on me getting the shells back. All week long it weighed heavily on me. I felt guilty being unable to return them. I was not going to be paid to do this extra trip. I had called Sharon, about this and she told me to return them. I just got caught up in my busy schedule.
@@harveyottinger5572 Sounds like you delayed his suicide as he had to buy new shells. I wouldn't feel guilty about it if I were you.
Excellent job.. why completely lie and put yourself in a limo you weren’t in .. that’s really weird
@ 1:40 I wonder what "shadowy figures" (people) he's referring to? And why exactly the vibe was so "strange" at Kurt's house? I would love to hear him go into more detail about that. Great interview though! I don't agree with some of the things you say Dean but this is good stuff.
I waited quite a while, I was looking for Kurt to show up. I would see folks moving around and I was anxious for Kurt to show up. I would see figures moving around. At the time it wasn't a big deal. It just felt strange. Not real complicated, just felt strange.
It was a very old spooky property. It's reported that the temperature that week was only in the mid 40's and rainy off and on. The driveway was very long with tall hedges surrounding it and the property itself was definitely in need of some updates. Not to mention Seattle has always been a very dreary place. As far as the shadows in the house it was no secret Cali, and Renae were both living at the house with K&C and both of them had friends and multiple girlfriends in out of the house all the time.
@@harveyottinger5572 Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I see what you mean and I envision it now.
@@thebigbopper6000 I honestly think Rene Naverrette, Cali Dewitt, Jennifer Adamson (Macaulay Culkins half sister), Jessica Hopper (both Adamson and Hopper were girlfriends of Cali so obviously were there separate days/nights) and Eric Erlandson. I may be forgetting or not aware of who else was there. Oh and Dylan Carlson too.
I've never been to Seattle but could imagine how dreary it looks! Always have wanted to visit though! I'm in Baltimore City, Maryland so all the way across the country!
I was always spooked by even the initial media pictures. 30 year puzzle coming together.
I thought Krist Novoselic drove kurt to the airport its in kurts biography???? And krist has said this in interviews
I believe he was trying to take Kurt to rehab. But they got into a fight and he didn't go. This was a little earlier.
That was on the 29th, when Krist drove him and Kurt backed out before he got on the plane.
It was a Gray top taxi driver who said they took kurt to the gunshop (according to police Files)
@@crysvicious yes, his name is Wodajo Abeye, he was a gray top taxi driver who drove someone who didn't match with the residence (according to the police files) to the gun shop in the morning of April 2nd 1994. Would make sense to ask him, if it really was Kurt himself or maybe someone else dressed or looked a bit like Kurt.
@neussischroder5500 I'd be interested in hearing from this taxi driver as well .
@@crysviciouswell, he is on Facebook and LinkedIn. Maybe this or other channels who are trying to reopen the case should contact him.
Interesting to note, if memory serves, that after Kurt died, Courtney wanted to know his whereabouts that weekend and contacted cab and limo companies in this effort. Why bother? She maintained to Grant that she would find Kurt by midnight Sunday, despite her numerous chats with Cali on Saturday, and his supposed disclosure to her of seeing Kurt that day.
And did Dylan's lie (?) about being in Ottinger's car with Kurt on the 30th serve any function? It is of course Carlson's name that appears on the Stan Baker receipt, which does not list any ammo purchase. The shells may have been thrown in gratis or supplied by Carlson or someone else. The shell that was fired into Kurt's oral cavity was missing the majority of shot (balls). Who removed them and why?
It's very hard to believe that all of that documentation (directions, receipts) would have survived the Exodus admission to be found on his person in the greenhouse days later. So did the medical bracelet, but that had occurred before, following a previous hospital admission. Hmmmm.
@@neussischroder5500and everybody around Kurt looked just like Kurt Cali, Dylan, Eric Erlandson, even Mark Lanegan could all pass as Kurt as far as having long shaggy hair, wearing old clothes and all were heavy smokers. Cali was supposedly known to wear Kurt's clothes all the time and go out to stores and shops around the neighborhood to see if he could get mistaken as Kurt.
Could you ask him what kind of luggage Kurt had with him. Was he packed lightly only for a few days, or was he packed for a long stay? Did Kurt seem sober or intoxicated? Was there any noticeable brain damage from the Rome incident?
All he had was a carry on bag. The shells were in his bag.
Great questions! Especially if Kurt seemingly had brain 🧠 damage from the Rome incident coma. It's common for people to get serious brain damage due to the fact your brain is not receiving any oxygen that entire time. I've always wondered why there's no publicly verified video/pictures of Kurt after the Rome incident. There's a debate on whether or not some photos of Kurt/Courtney/Pat Smear/Cali Dewitt at the Sea Tac airport in Seattle is from December of 93' or if taken on March 18th of 1994. I think March of 94' but I can't find a legitimate way to confirm that.
@@YettiManChannel There are photos of Kurt playing with Frances at Exodus, less than a week before he died. His therapist at Exodus said Kurt's main topic of concern was Kevin Kerslake suing him for stealing the Heart Shaped Box video idea. Doesn't sound like he was too out of it.
@@aisle_of_view Great points. I remember reading about that so I agree with you. I still wonder if maybe he was just "off" in some way but yeah seems like he was okay for the most part. Must've been paranoid though towards the end.
@@harveyottinger5572 Mr Ottinger - may I ask why the box of shells was not returned to Kurt's home? Was there any plan for him to retrieve them from you?
You realize you have two stories mixed up. This one is about the ride to the airport. The taxi is what he allegedly took on April 2nd when he arrived back home. This is where the taxi driver said he drove kurt around and dropped him off to get something to eat, after not finding a place to by ammo. There's also the lady limo driver who picked him up at the airport on the 2nd of April around 1230- 100 am.
Right. Kurt gave the first box of shells to Harvey, who didn't return them to the house. When Kurt got back to 171 Lake Wash after his stint at Exodus, he must have realized the shells weren't returned. He saw his tires were flattened so he called a cab to look for a gun shop open early Saturday morning. The taxi driver dropped him off at 145th and Aurora, then Kurt bought the shells from Seattle Guns at 12:02PM, paying $7.52 and receiving $12.48 in change.
No, you should check the facts, Harvey drove Kurt to the airport on March 30th, Linda Walker drove him back on April 1st and Wodajo Abeye drove him or maybe someone else on April 2nd to buy the shells.
@@neussischroder5500yes Greytop .I'm aware. I do appreciate your help. I'm trying to get another driver to talk too.. please don't be a pedant. I see your point..
Interesting..thanks for sharing!
Our pleasure!
I always wondered if sonic youth never got dropped from DGC, because they were the reason nirvana signed to them!? And Geffen was just like, these guys made me millions, let them cook! 🤣
Like a ghost 👻 Kurt was good at hiding or not being noticed I guarantee with all the hassle from fans and paparazzi he got a knack for hiding.
Doll steak
Test meat
Mystery meat
Exactly😂😂
3:37 Thats not true here.....Kurt never bought that shotgun, Dylan was, and we have the receipt!!
Dylan was at the store with someone they described as Kurt Cobain when he bought it
Kurt stated he had just bought the shotgun and shells. He may not have specifically bought them but you don't forget those words. They were impactful, especially with what happened.
The receipt found in Cobain’s pocket ….
Cali wore a wig to look like Kurt
@@grognakthog Cali was crashed out with Jessica on Saturday morning.
How’d he drive him to rehab if he was already dead Aug 30th 1994?
He drove Kurt on March 30th 1994 to Sea Tac Airport.
In the description it says he drove him Aug 30th 1994
@@deadringer333 then the description is wrong
@@deadringer333 he made a mistake there obviously.
@@neussischroder5500 obviously
Yet another example of the shoddy police work. So the shell at the scene wS not the shells left with Harvey?
Are there tanning lights on ?
He wanted the cartridges back because the gun was not bought in his name?
Did Harvey pick Kurt up when He got back? Or was that just a normal taxi?
No it was Linda Walker from Seattle Limousines, who picked up Kurt at Sea Tac Airport in the morning of April 2nd. From the SPD files:
Kurt arrived back in Seattle at appx 12:45 a.m. Linda Walker of Seattle
Limousines saw Kurt speaking normally to other passengers and he approached her
with a “thin smile".
The wrong Dave is mentioned 😑 😐 😒 🙄 😕
@@heightenedsenses9605 please elaborate?
Should ask him his thoughts on the murder theory.
Over the years, I always felt it was a suicide. I have a few doubts about that now. I was a new Father with a daughter at the time. I saw an interview wit Kurt holding Frances. I could feel the love in his eyes holding her. I don't believe he ever wanted to leave her and felt a huge responsibility to be a good father. In many ways, he had so much to live for. He was financially set and had achieved his dream. He could have sat back and stayed out of the limelight without any pressure. Depression is a scary unknown for us all. My mind is open if things could progress. Never understood why the police never followed up with me. Kurt was very nice in our interactions. I could feel his sadness and wanted to tell him things would be alright. I was 10 years older and it wasn't my place to question him. I truly wish he was around today. I wish Fraces had her Father and I know Kurt would have been a great human being.
But Kurt swore that he didn’t have a gun. 🤔
So if the shells Kurt bought were green someone else must’ve bought the yellow shells and probably just knew that they were Remington. I’m assuming Kurt would’ve told Dylan that he left some shotgun shells in the limo drivers car so Dylan just went and bought some 20 gauge birdshot Remington thinking they would be the same however they do have different colors. I wonder if the fact that yellow shells were found at the scene is a big clue because according to the timeline, I don’t believe Kurt had time to buy shells when he got back into town. I don’t recall anywhere in Dillon story or he said Kurt asked him to go buy more shells thoughts anyone?
The replacement shotgun shells were purchased on Sat Apr 2 at 12:02 PM. Kurt was already back in town.
Interesting I thought he had gotten back late that night. So did he go buy the yellow colored shells himself?
@@joelharvey579 The photo of the receipt is in the police report. I just don't see Dylan in a Kurt wig going into a gun store looking like that. Same goes for Cali who was asleep with Jessica that morning and didn't even have a Washington state ID to buy ammo.
@@aisle_of_view yeah he must’ve really been paranoid and probably was aware to some degree of what Courtney was capable of. I think it’s possible that is a reason he gave Dylan that tape that he had been working on. Kurt was very smart and may have suspected Dylan and was trying to make sure Dylan was on his side. It’s a shame that nobody has heard that tape. As a fan, I would love to know what direction he was going with his music.
Who is he?
I’m 2:30 in and this guys story is weird tbh
What's weird about it. Do you not believe it. I really don't care what you think. It's a true accounting of the events that happened. It's all documented by the Seattle Police report. I am now retired and living a great life. It's a moment in time in my life that I have lived and I am a good person and have been all my life.
@ thanks for responding. I’m about to go to sleep now but I’ll get back to you when I wake up.
@@harveyottinger5572 No worries Harvey Ottinger. I have more videos to release
I hope AmericanSpyFox reacts
A junkie left behind a wife , baby , and family. THE END
He wasn't a junkie and it wasn't his fault. He was murdered. Kurt would never have left Frances Bean and his wife is a lunatic murderer.
@@danilaird Read Everett True's book - Nirvana a Biography. Everybody except for Eric was deeply addicted.
Respectfully, what about the tsunami of evidence pointing toward murder?
Sh*t stirrer
Kurt Cobain is actually the lead singer of Weezer
lmao 🤣 not that stupid conspiracy theory again 😂
Exactly. Kurt “dies” and all of a sudden “Rivers Cuomo” appears 🤔
Weezer’s first song on the “blue” album (blue cause Kurt was sad) is called My Name is Jonas. He wanted to make sure no one suspected that his name was Kurt so he wrote this song to throw everyone off. It ties in with the second song “No One Else” … his name is Jonas and he is Rivers Cuomo, no one else. He emphasizes this again with “Buddy Holly” 4 tracks in and we are 100% sure he is anyone else but Kurt Cobain. He doesn’t look like Kurt Cobain. No. He looks like Buddy Holly. (Nice one, Kurt 😉)
He looks nothing like him