Are These HOFers From The 1950s Overlooked? Will Their Cards Always Be This Cheap?
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- There are vintage hall of fame baseball players that get the recognition they deserve. There are other players who seem extremely overlooked by the hobby community. Jackie Robinson, Mickey Mantle, and Hank Aaron get lots of attention, and deservedly so. Other players like Duke Snider, Whitey Ford, Don Drysdale, and Roy Campanella, don't. The Yankees and Dodgers have some massive fan bases, yet the cards of these players remain CHEAP. The question is...why? Let's take a look at some recent ebay sales and get a glimpse of the market, while seeing what sorts of trends seem to stand out as strange. Let me know what you think.
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Graig, thank you for keeping us up-to-date on some of what is happening in the vintage market. Also, thank you for accompanying me on my walk, although you did not know you were doing so via video! 😊👊
Great time to buy vintage
Absolutely! Able to pick up some great looking vintage HOF cards a few at a time because they are actually affordable! :)
Buyers market, not sellers
Just went to a card show yesterday, picked up 58, Drysdale for 15.00, 55 Boman Mathews for 12.00, 62 Mathews for 20.00, fleer 63 Sphan for 12.00, raw .
What a great video, all these guys are definitely under valued and I hope they stay that way for just a bit longer because I am enjoying picking them up! I'm actually a Duke Snider collector and it really is amazing the price you can pick up most of his cards for, even in a fairly high grade!
Shouldn't have made my first comment before i finished the video haha. The Campy thing is crazy, not only because of his legendary career but on the whole his cards look soooo good!
This brought a good memory to mind . In 1981 I was 11 and went to local card shop and asked what do u have old and cool lol the owner took me to his 55 bowman’s and picked out the Campy and proceeded to give me a history lesson on him and is traffic accident etc.. and told me he’s tough and not a quitter , so I decided I had to have it ! My first 6 dollars on vintage baseball ⚾️ cards . Seems kinda high now looking back but it was very minty . Thx for the great video
Jerry and Amanda
Hi Graig,
Thanks for your review of affordable cards from the 50s. It never ceases to amaze me the bargains that are out there. The Don Drysdale 1957 Topps RC is a peach!
Your channel is where I go to be educated. Thanks for your time and help.
Have a wonderful weekend,
Peter
Doby and Campanella continue to shock me. Man, talk about an exercise in temptation while I’m trying to save up for a big card here 😆 This was very interesting to watch, thanks for putting it together and sharing it with us, Graig 👊
Graig, the hobby will always be 2 segments of collectors. The mass collectors will gravitate to the Goats, and niche collectors like us will gravitate to any great player. You can go through any era of cards and it never changes.
I think that 54B Doby is one of his absolute best cards - and I agree that sale blew my mind!
Red Schoendienst... 76 years in baseball. He is a HOF'er that offers a splendid collecting opportunity. 48-55 Bowman & 51-53 and 56 Topps for his first round with the Cardinals. 57-60 Topps for the years he was traded around. 61- 62 Topps for his final player cards back with the Cardinal , with the footnote that the 61 Topps head shot, sans cap, highlights the red hair that gave him the nickname. Normally I hate the head shots in that set, because most are without cap and not very good.
Then a slew of manager cards. A notable one is the 65 Topps. 65 Topps Cardinal player (and manager) cards are some of the most eye appealing in that set because the border and pennant colors actually match the team colors, where so many others in that set do not. There are individual manager cards in the 1960s and 70s. Likewise, there are team cards with a manager portrait in the corner, and some manager with coaches cards in the mid-1970s. Schoendienst's Manager/Coach cards even include the 81 Donruss and a 1990 Topps Traded cards. Amazing really.
Finally, Schoendienst appears on many food and product premium cards of the 1950s. Great sets like Red Man Tobacco, Red Heart Dog Food, Dan Dee Potato Chips, and the Wilson Franks sets.
My favorites among all of these cards of Red Schoendienst are the 54 Bowman for the portrait, the 61 Topps for the red hair, and the 54 Dan Dee because in my opinion it is simply the best looking card in the set. It is a stand out in a host of unremarkable headshots.
Remarkable timing, as Red Schoendienst has been on my radar in a big way over the last several weeks. There might be a Dan Dee Schoendienst on its way to me now!?!!?!... Maybe it will show up in your October listener pick ups?
That 55 Bowman Campy was gorgeous! I think this month's was the most mind-blowing for me. There are way too many cards for way too cheap. Some amazing moon shot cards as well. Thanks as always, Graig.
Prices have been really crazy on anything vintage lately. Here are some of my pickups over the last couple of weeks. I picked up 4 signed and JSA authenticated baseballs from Cal Ripken Jr., Bobby Thomson/Ralph Branca, Bill Mazeroski, and Phil Niekro for roughly $115 total in the last week. I got a 1966 Stargell SGC 6 for $26, a 1959 Mazeroski SGC 6 for $11.50, a 1952 George Kell SGC 4 for $40, a raw Dale Murphy rookie card for $1.25, a 1949 Bowman Bob Feller for $70, and a 1956 Spahn PSA 5 for $60
That '55 Bowman Ford looks like a 7 or 8 - nice buy for the purchaser! That centering on the '52 Schoedienst - crazy how nice. Maybe someone will make a documentary or movie on Doby and he will get his due. Campy gets expensive for his Bowmans and his '52 Topps but the rest are way underpriced. Nice looking '56 Ford great eye appeal in that one. Same on the '58. Pitchers outside of Koufax and Ryan are ALL underpriced. Look at what Jim Palmer cards go for it is shocking. Think '52 Mantle is ridiculously overpriced - but that 4 just popped. Enjoyed the video thanks for taking the time to put this together.
There have always been deals to be had on the B-list names in midgrade or lower. I'm not saying Campy or Kiner or Reese are B-grade players necessarily, but it's just how it shook out for collectibles a couple of generations on. Not everyone can be Mantle, Aaron, or Mays. I hope those cards stay affordable. More perplexing to me is how for the most part, non-RC's of HOF pitchers - even the superstars - aren't expensive at all outside of Koufax and Nolan Ryan. Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton, Gaylord Perry, Jim Palmer, the list goes on - are all in the price range graded you are showing or lower, outside of their RC's for the most part. Juan Marichal is very much arguably the greatest pitcher of the 1960's, even considering Koufax and Gibson. And people are like who? Outside of his RC, many of his 60's and 70's cards in nice shape are $10 or less items. To me that's quite the steal.
Here’s a possible explanation of why many hofers seem undervalued: Many people buying vintage today have started collecting very recently and don’t really know anything about baseball history. All they know are the top few names that are constantly touted on the big, investor type RUclips channels: mantle, jackie, aaron, cobb, ruth, etc.
I think that's probably true.
Surprised that those Doby's were so cheap. Thanks, Graig!
Great video. It's crazy some are selling for near what the grading fees would be, plus a few bucks. This got me thinking. I was building out vintage FB sets over the past 5-10 years, and as I was buying my last few singles (HOFers and commons) to complete various sets, I 100% preferred ungraded cards b/c I was storing the sets in pages. For me and maybe it's some OCD, I don't want a 200 card complete set where 199 cards are in the pages and 1 is in a slab. Certainly a Namath or Unitas rookie, I'd want in a slab maybe but for the 2nd/3rd tier football (and baseball) HOFers, rookies or mid-career cards, I actually preferred ungraded cards for the above reason. If I were PC'ng the guys cards you showed and wasn't set building, I'd have a slightly higher interest in the graded cards. Thanks for the videos!
If the off-center cards had a qualifier, would you buy them?
The Sparky Anderson was my blind blown pick. Slugger Supreme too, though I bought a PSA 5 in 2020 for $28 with better centering.
Another great video, Graig. One theory about the Campanella card could be the Josh Gibson effect. Now that Josh Gibson’s stats have been added to the official record books, and they are so overwhelmingly dominating, the demand for his limited cards has surged and it could be that his legacy has somewhat overshadowed Campy’s, since they were both catchers and played in the Negro leagues. Don’t get me wrong, I am a big Campanella fan and have several of this cards, but he does now seem a little “Robin” to Josh Gibson’s “Batman” as far as legendary Negro league catchers go. This also might be true to a lesser degree of Monte Irvin and Larry Doby cards as cards of players like Mule Suttles and Oscar Charleston are now grabbing more of the hobby dollar. Just a theory but there are only so many hobby dollars to go around and prices for those 74 and 78 Laughlin cards have really spiked recently. 🤷♂️
A lot of people only want the top 10% of names.
That 1958 Sluggers Supreme, a card with Ted Williams, selling that cheap is mind blowing. I'm not sure what's going on with Doby and Campanella cards selling so inexpensively either. Makes no sense to me.
New York and LA are certainly two massive media conglomerates, the commonality Snider, Campy and Drysdale share is that, they were over shadowed by other stars like, Jackie Robinson and Sandy Koufax. Perhaps they are not as known...we agree on the Batman to Robin analogy, though. Whether those players will see an uptick, in the future; hard for me to say but, I like, collecting them because they are hall of famers. And for affordable prices. Sounds good to me.
Graig, I need you to stop calling attention to these types of cards. At least until I’m doing buying them all up, especially the Dobys. Great video as always!
It all comes down to supply and demand. These affordable 1950s HOFers are in plentiful supply for the most part. You can find multiples of each at almost any vintage card show.... often multiples at an individual booth. And infinitely more to pick from on eBay (in many cases, too many to even keep track of). The demand simply falls short of the plentiful supply. I believe that's why many collectors move on to pre-war after they've gotten their feet wet and grow tired of 1950s-60s cards. There's a greater "thrill of the hunt".
And a note about grading... it seems preposterous and pointless to grade most of these cards. In many cases, the card sells for under $10 when you subtract out the grading fees. Wouldn't sellers net more money just by selling them raw, via Greg Morris? No grading fees, no extended wait times and no outward or inward shipping costs to/from the TPGs. By grading this class of cards, sellers are actually losing money.
Great investment advice Graig! I think SGC 3 cards of lower tier HOFers are poised to break out, I can see that whole portfolio being worth 2 or 3 million $$$ within a couple months. Do you have a price target for that off center SGC 4.5 Willie Mays? What a beautiful card. I can see that card easily hitting $10,000-$20,000 within a few months. Do you think it should be worth more than a PSA 10? I think the tide is turning and investors now prefer cards which are a little bit beat up and off center and actually look old, not these high grade PSA which look a little bit too perfect. As for The Duke, he has played third fiddle to Willie and Mickey for too long, after 75 years of that he's poised to break away any week now! Investors are getting bored with Willie & Mickey and looking for other players instead of the same old same old. I think because of this 52 Duke will soon be worth a lot more than 52 Mays or Mantle. It is an amazing investment opportunity especially in lower grades like SGC 2 or 3. To the moon! 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀
Yea I don't get why some players that are especially HOF'ers are underpriced/undervalued and btw kudos to you for the Big Klu showing up on the roster. Next time you do this please let's not forget to include some others not previously mentioned but are in the HoF too: Hal Newhouser, and Johnny Mize are in a few post war vintage sets.
Gave a video like. Always enjoy these episodes
I agree on Campy. Unfortunately I think its a catcher thing. It doesn't make sense to me, if he is all time great you think it would be worth more. Great job Graig. Peace
Hi, What’s a 52 bowman DOBY auto worth ?
A player i see over looked and the value of his cards show it. Jim Gilliam of the Dodgers. I collect all his cards and other than his 53 Topps, most of his cards can be had for cheap. Theres a lot of history with Gilliam. Look him up. Im shocked his cards are still this cheap.
Nice video, thanks :-)
Yeah i collect Whitey Ford cards and i have NO IDEA why his cards are so cheap. None. Guy played on WS teams of the Yanks and consistently led the league in stats. Im not sure. This is another that makes my head spin.
Just picked up a SGC 1957 Hoyt Wilhelm for 27 dollars . Man some of these Hall of Fame players get no love!
The 1955 Bowman. Campy in 1988 raw cost me $45. Have no idea why Whitey Ford is so low.
I would love to buy some Mays cards. I did get one a very beat up 1959 All Star Mays. Likely a grade one.
I'm sure that everyone feels this way, but whatever I'm going for seems to be either going up or are holding strong. The cards I'm moving from seem to be dropping like a rock. Stars like Duke Snider, Al Kaline, Warren Spahn, Eddie Mathews, Willie McCovey, Campanella etc. etc. are not getting the love. I don't think they are ever starting to go up again. Mantle, Robinson, Aaron, Ruth, Gehrig, etc. are holding strong but most others are dropping significantly.. I don't see a way that is suddenly going to change.
Hey Mr. Miller, hope you are doing well. I think you made a good point, and are probably accurate in your assessment too. I think one way however, that potentially some of those players you mention could have a robust future, is a combination of education. Whether that's reading books or watching videos on RUclips, that talks about their history, and career, highlights etc. The other variable, is the MLB the show video games, that being said, I do believe it's probably a niche collector who mainly buys the cards of the non Mantle's, Aaron's, Mays. Yeah.
There cards aren't really overlooked. It's just that there are so many great cards out there and collectors can't buy everything. And their prices will likely get cheaper for a variety of reasons.
Holy smokes, the drysdale rc under $50? I feel like there must’ve been some kind of error in the listing or something I’ve been looking at that card for a while and then that grade it goes for double that at least I would’ve snagged that in a heartbeat my HOFer RC run. Larry Doby‘s dont surprise me only because I would bet a lot of newer collectors advantage may not know his story and may be in Jackie’s shadow? I feel like any Matthews even though Sally had one card and your list is one of the most undervalued cause I recently completed a non-rookie player run of his and was able to acquire every card (albeit many of them were raw) for under 50. Finally, I always laugh this video comes out what days after I buy a car or someone got a graded version for this almost the same price I got for raw, this time the Vada Pinson and Sparky Anderson rookies. Looking forward to next month maybe someday One of my pick ups will make this list.
wow my reply makes no sense it auto corrected alot of my comment, basically - drysdale rc = mindblown, eddie matthews = undervalued, larry doby = in jackies shadow? Thanks for video.
$50 will get you a cool card. Thx for the research.
Picked up 53 Monte Irvin grade one for 30.00 at a card store.
You keep referring to "normal" people at the top of this episode and many times before in terms of what cards are bought. I agree that your maxxing out your retirement plans, paying off your home, perhaps saving for a larger home, saving for your children's college expenses, etc., is very smart. But the way you seem to put it, you can't afford more as a normal person. The fact is that despite all of the above it is your choice in the end to spend a ton on that and then have relatively little less for cards. Again, I think a smart choice. But, c'mon, you can't portray yourself as someone siimply unable to do more. If you really wanted to, you could afford much more in spending while others truly couldn't. The true definition of that normal person would be someone living on a subsistence level, not with a paid off home, tons of money in retirement accounts, probably well more than $100,000 in joint family income, etc. You are probably well above average financially, well above the normal. And again, congratulations. But your situation is by choice, not necessity. If a billionaire who chose to spend a billion on other things as smart moves, they also might not have money for cards. If someone, perhaps yourself, who is a millionaire in terms of a home, retirement funds, etc. chooses to go that route, great, but you are again not the subsistence-level "normal" person you keep referring to. A person with a million in assets is not average. A smart person whose economic choices should be followed perhaps. But consider giving that a break about the average Joe stuff, at least economically, in future episodes. Especially as you do it in too much of a kind of a subtly conceited, self-righteous way as well in my opinion. Stick to baseball cards as you keeping saying yourself. Giving yourself applause for being a male so competitive and kind of shaking your head at everyone else who isn't kind of isn't the greatest if you look at it this way. And again congratulations on your well above normal financial situation despite being a teacher and your wife in a related job it seems. You have done truly great with that, someone to be admired in that way in terms of rising above economically.
What a strange comment.
@@DonHamlin
Completely agree. Beyond strange. ‘The true definition of a normal person is one living at a subsistence level………’ 😂
This is truly “psycho” analysis.
Yes, so true, the target audience for baseball card videos are people with subsistence level card collections. 🎯 Cant speak for others but I dug all mine up in coffee cans. ☕🥫
I smell a commie!
Beyond ‘strange’ is a polite way of putting it. In my opinion this comment is out of line.
Best Wishes,
Peter
Great content
The shows and facebook groups are filled with these cards in these grades. Dont like this