Should We Sell Our Most Valuable Vintage Sports Cards?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Every collector has their "dream card" or "grail card." But, having so much of the value of our collection wrapped up into one card, can limit us from expanding our collection into additional cards that we may want, as well. Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Goudey, 52 Topps, Rookie Cards, Pre War...the list goes on and on of targets we have for our Vintage Card Collection. If there's anything I know, it's that there isn't just one correct way to collect. But, it's certainly fun to discuss the options we all have in front of us.
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Dave Concepcion. Criminally underrated shortstop and always overshadowed by the likes of Rose, Morgan, Bench, Perez, Foster and Griffey. The Big Red Machine should have 5-6 Hall-of-Famers.
I like that choice. Not one you hear a lot.
Allie Reynolds! When your team wins five World Series in a row, plus pitching had a lot to do with it, and you were their best pitcher at the time; a fantastic closer and starter and intimidator, you deserve a place in the hall!
There ought to be a rule: if you have received the moniker Super Chief, you automatically get into the Hall of Fame!
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Allie Reynolds....your guy!!
I like that a few people have said Thurman Munson. I totally agree. But my vote is for my favorite player Keith Hernandez. 11 straight Gold Gloves, an MVP, batting title and a very high WAR. First Mets captain and 2 World Series Championships. Best defensive First Baseman of all time.
Keith Hernandez was on Seinfeld. That should be worth something too.
I think Keith Hernandez is a great choice. No doubt he should be on the short list.
It still shocks me every time I see Vada Pinson’s statistics, knowing he didn’t make the Hall. 2750+ hits with a 55 bWar! Come on … if he plays another year and a half, he’s a no brainer in the 3000 hit club. He led the NL in hits twice and has the highest number of hits of any classic era player not in the Hall of Fame (other than Rose - but that’s a separate issue). Great defender and baserunner as well!
I think Pinson is a great choice.
My pick would be Curt Flood. His exploits on the field were cut short. He was already on the path for the Hall but he decided that it was much more important to do the right thing in an era of great discrimination. His efforts in court would lead to ball players today receiving crazy amounts of money. Thanks for the topic and looking forward to see what others think! Greg from Ohio
Great choice. Flood is an interesting one because he was a very good player and a big contributor outside of playing.
Graig, what a great and relatable discussion today. Thank you for sharing. As an on and off, and then back on again lifelong collector, I love card videos and seeing what other guys are up to in the hobby. So many ways to participate and all good fun. My most favorite part is just connecting with other likeminded guys like you. Thank you for sharing!
Appreciate those kind words. Thanks.
Great Video Graig. In regards to the Classic Era HOF induction, I'm going with Thurman Munson. I'm leaning to a Yankee (SHOCKER) but its hard to fathom how he hasn't gotten in to the HOF. I don't want to bore you with a bunch of stats but looking at what he accomplished over his 11 seasons should speak for itself.
I think that's a great choice. Sad that a premature death is partly to blame for him not being in the HOF. Seems like such an easy thing to be corrected by voters.
If i had a big time grail card like a 33 Goudey Ruth or 52 Mantle, they would stay in my PC forever. This is why you collect in any hobby, there is always that big item that defines your collection. My big PC cards are 86 Fleer Jordan and 79 Topps Gretzky. Those suckers aren’t going anywhere!
I actually think the biggest problem with ultra modern collectors is that they are ripping packs to sell instead of putting it in their PC. Back in the 80’s/90’s, if you pulled an expensive rookie card, that was going right into your PC. Again, that is the reason you collect. Now i see RUclips videos of guys pulling a 1/1 Wembanyama rookie, and their first thought is get it graded and then sell. To each their own, but sort of defeats the purpose of collecting and it just turns in gambling at a casino.
How it's not considered gambling by everyone is crazy.
Thanks for enriching the hobby better than anyone else. My pick for Hall of Fame lefty Billy Pierce. Stats are not impressive because he pitched for the lowly Chicago White Sox. His stats vs Whitey Ford in head to head games are more impressive. He was used primarily against better teams which hurt his win total. Thanks Joe Escalante
Thanks Joe. He's a really good choice. I've heard him mentioned a few times, but probably not as much as he should be.
Graig I don’t think of it that way. The cards ARE my collection. I continually add with my budget but I absolutely HATE subtracting from my collection be it big or small cards. I get no satisfaction from having once owned a card - my satisfaction is having it and being able to look at it.
Getting to one is tough. The most egregious omission is Bonds but he is not pre 1980. If you make me pick one it is Dick Allen. I did not get to see him play - but he put up some monster years and was an amazing hitter.
I totally get that. It's hard to subtract....but with a limited budget, it may be necessary to add.
Yet another great, thought provoking video, Graig. Thank you. Regarding the question, I would go with Bad Bill Dahlen. There are many reasons for my choice, but here are a few highlights. 75.2 WAR, the highest of any non-scandal, non-hall of Famer. He played Shortstop and is still one the highest ranking SS of all time for putouts and assists. He was a on-base % and triple hitting machine, had 2500 career hits, 547 career triples, and he had a 42 game hit streak. I think the most important reason I chose him (as opposed to so many other worthy pre-1980 players) is that he is not only deserving but he has waited the longest to be recognized for his accomplishments. He had a Hall of Fame career over 120 years ago and deserves to be enshrined, even if it is 75 years after his death.
I think Dahlen is a terrific choice.
I won’t sell my big cards, took too long to get them. Only to trade or sell for an even bigger card. Great video
I totally get it. Only move them to move up.
Dave nailed it for sure. As Graig said about me, "been there done that"
Dave is great.
Thurmon Munson no doubt! Great player and awesome family man !
I agree!!
The question for next week is a very good one. My opinion is one Player who without a doubt should be in the Hall of Fame is Dale Murphy. I couldn't believe it when I saw that he wasn't already in. Back to back MVPs 1982-83 and seven All-Star appearances, Five Gold Gloves, and four Silver Slugger Awards. Most of his career was after 1980. I know you asked for pre-1980, so here is my choice for that. Pete Rose is the obvious choice. The all-time Hit King, ROY, MVP, 17 all-star appearances, three World Series, etc. All of this was done before he was ever accused as a Manager of betting on Baseball. Can we finally put him in the HOF as a player? There is zero evidence that he gambled on baseball while he was a player. He was banned from baseball after his playing career, not during his playing career. Now is the time for this to happen. Updated: After doing some research, to clarify, I have concluded that Pete Rose did indeed bet on Baseball games while he was a Player/Manager with the Reds late in his career, but it has only been proven that he bet on the Reds and never against the Reds.
Completely agree!
Dale Murphy is a great choice.
For the question of the week, put me down for Curt Flood. Sure a really good player but he should get in based on his challenging of the reserve clause. For which he paid a heavy price but changed baseball in a fundamental way!
Great choice....as a player and a contributor.
Strongly concur with all those advocating for Boyer, Pinson and Flood.
Three great choices.
Having a card, moving it (sell or trade) and then regret it and want the card again. Yeah, I can relate to that. That card for me is the 1980 Rickey Henderson. Is there a right way or a wrong way to collect? To me there is no wrong way, but there is a right way. The right way is the way that works best for the person doing the collecting. Regarding the player from the classic era who is most deserving of induction to the hall of fame, I have two names: Tommy John and Luis Tiant. Both are underrated. Both debuted in the 1960s and were excellent pitchers. Tommy John has that elbow surgery named after him as well.
I think Tommy John is a great choice.
Great video as always. My answer for this weeks question and without even hesitating the first name that came to my mind was Tommy John. Besides his 288 wins, ERA of 3.34 and a career WAR of 61.6, the guy underwent a risky surgery in September 1974 to repair his troubled arm. Obviously we all know that now as Tommy John surgery. I mean the guy has a surgery named after him. Here he is, a young pitcher undergoing a surgery no one really knew about, risking his career for unknown long term results. His contribution to the game along with his already spectacular career stats should enshrine him in the Hall of Fame. I hope this counts as pre-1980 because he did pitch another seven or eight years post 1980.
True.
Great choice on Tommy John.
Easy answer for me. I absolutely would sell a big card for cash… but NEVER to buy a bunch of cards of lesser value.
I’ve sold a few rare dream cards and now I’m trying to get them back. For me there is no association between a grade and a dream card
I agree 100%
excellent answer.
Trade/sell to move up, not down. I totally get it.
Great video Graig! Really enjoyed! For next week, I'd say Smoky Joe Wood should be in the HOF.
Good choice Darren.
Thanks for another great discussion... My pick for pre-80's player to get in the HOF is John Donaldson. Not the one who played for the Kansas City A's in the 60's, but the one who was regarded as the best black pitcher in the 1910's. Newspapers printed a quotation from New York Giants manager John McGraw: “If I could change the color of his skin I would give twenty thousand dollars (more that he paid most of his Giants) for Donaldson and pennants would come easy.” Being a LHP who threw gas and had a great curveball, Babe Ruth thought he was one of the toughest pitchers he ever faced (seeing him in barnstorming games). He came close to getting in the HOF on the previous old era ballot. Being that his most dominant years were before the Negro Leagues, which started in 1920, he will not have much for counting stats. He did play with the KC Monarchs in the early 20's, but made more money playing on non NNL teams in Minnesota where he continued to be big time, though his fireball days from the 10's were behind him. SABR has some great research on him and there is even one video you can find of him pitching on RUclips. I'm guessing the person regarded as the best black pitcher of the 1910's would have to be on par with at least some of the HOF white pitchers of the era. You can't fault him for not getting the numbers as he wasn't allowed in the MLB and there was no Negro Leagues at the time. He pitched and also played centerfield in a ton of games, just not much for recorded stats. And I don't like you for only allowing us to pick one as Bill Dahlen should be in as well. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing.
What a nice comment from James, and abundantly true my friend. You do bring joy to the hobby!
Thank you kindly
Gave a video like. Thanks for reading my comment! Always enjoy these and enjoyed hearing your thoughts. Have a good one!
Thanks for taking the time to listen and comment.
Hey Graig. Another awesome conversation, my friend. To answer this week's question. There are a lot of players deserving of Hall of Fame induction. Vada Pinson and Tommy John immediately jump out to me, but since you wanted us to pick one player, I'll go with the Cardinals Homer pick of Ken Boyer. He has a Baseball Reference WAR of 62.8, 2143 career hits, 282 career home runs, 1141 career RBI. He also won 5 Gold Gloves, was an 11 time All-Star oh, and by the way, won an MVP. He had a 14-year career, but due to a back injury, most of his production came over the first 10 years. He hit over .300 5 times and hit 20 or more home runs 8 times. His NL MVP came in 1964, and the next season, his back issues began, which affected him for the rest of his career. From then forward, his career best in home runs was 14, and RBI was 75. Clearly a shell of his former self.
I think Boyer is absolutely on the shortest of short lists.
Dave’s response was so interesting to hear. I definitely get moving one huge card to be able to acquire more, but most (myself included) would do so by immediately picking the same card up in a lower grade. It totally makes sense having already completed the hunt though.
It tough to pick just one, but I’m going to go with Roger Maris. I know the total stats are lacking a bit. However, the accolades and huge milestone make him deserving to me. 7x All Star. 2X MVP. 3x WS Champ. Just the magic of the ‘61 season and what it meant at the time and for years to come puts him over the top in my opinion
Maris is a really interesting choice. He was so good for a period of time, but didn't have the length of greatness of others in that period. But, when he was good, he was REALLY good.
Thurman Munson. No disresect to these players, but when the likes of Joe Mauer, Buster Posey and Yadier Molina are going to be in the Hall of Fame, it will be a crime unless Thurman is in there. He should have been in decades ago and would have been if he played in this era with this group of writers
It has to be because of his relationship with the media. Sure fire HOFer if not for the tragedy. It’s past time. Put him in.
Agree with Thurman getting in (though he isn't my #1 pick as Graig is only giving us one), but I disagree with reasoning of a couple folks saying "when the likes of Joe Mauer getting in...." I need to defend Mauer-- a first ballot HOFer. In his 10 years behind the plate he may have been one of the most dominant catchers ever. He had 3 GG's, 3 batting titles, over 50 WAR in 10 years, and a triple crown slash year in his MVP season. Not Thurman Munson, or any catcher for that matter has ever done that. Yes, then concussions made him move to 1B and he wasn't the same, but those 10 years of catching were phenomenal. Being productive in a shortened career is where Munson compares some, and I agree should get in.
I'm with you on Munson.
@@halfcenturycollectingcards It's interesting to me, Mauer being in the HOF is a water down selection, but not much being said about Ted Simmons, who Munson was also better than too.
I sure don’t want to miss that one👏👏👏💃💃
I like them all even though I collect cards u don’t see very often that r not expensive 💃👏👏
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Munson no doubt. Sorry Donnie, Thurmans first in line.
Munson not being in already is a crime.
Steve Garvey belongs in the Hall.
I agree.
Loved your expanded thoughts on dream/grail cards and buying and selling, Graig. One important variable is that if you are buying wisely, sometimes when you go to sell you find that the cards have appreciated enough while you owned them that your return is higher and thus offsets the fees and other associated costs related to selling. Certainly not always the case and would be a dangerous game to rely on that, but it has worked out that way for me many times over the years. Another variable is that to me there is an enjoyment bonus (hopefully) of having owned a particular card for a period of time prior to selling it, can’t put a number on that for the math equation portion of this, but it still has a value. Great episode on a topic that I’ve been giving a lot of thought to lately! 👊
I totally agree that cards going up in value offset some of the fees, but they also result in "income" on Federal Income taxes!!
Another great video Graig. I really like listening to the thoughts that come in from the community. All the different opinions really make a person think. That’s why I like your content so much. Thanks
I love the variety of opinions. It's so fun to hear different perspectives.
Thurman Munson should be in the baseball Hall Of Fame. I think catcher is just one of those positions, where it's been difficult historically for catchers to make the hall of fame, that when Ted Simmons or Joe Mauer, who is the most recent at the position to be, elected in the baseball hall of fame led to some discussion online about the HOF being watered down. Mauer was a great player, who sadly had some serious injuries which caused him to switch to 1st base. To me, Munson was a top 3 or top 5 catcher for nearly a decade, and one of the biggest reasons they won two World Series, and he was clutch. The Yankees captain for a reason. Buster Posey, will most likely make the baseball hall of fame, when he's eligible along with Yadier Molina, and imo Munson statistically is comparable to those guys. If the question was more than 1 deserving player. Curt Flood, would receive further consideration. Today's players owe a lot to him for being a pioneer and trail blazer. Basically sacrificed the last few years of his career too. Tommy John, would be a fine choice too. I see him as the Fred McGriff of pitchers. When it comes to the history of baseball, it's difficult to tell the story of the game without these players mentioned. Good question.
Munson is an awesome choice.
Hey Shohei is at 53/55 The Japanesse Babe Ruth. Greatest Baseball player of All Times
You think Shohei should already be considered the best player of all time?
@@MidLifeCards Sure Do.I watched Bonds, I seen all babe ruths footage and i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that Ohtani is the GOAT. Mickey Mantle did not have abilities Ohtani has
I am a player collector (Mays, Posey, Marichal and McCovey) and thus I am looking to acquire a complete run of their cards in the best grades as possible. I typically only sell if I am able to upgrade that card.
Trading up is a good way to go.
great commentary and the actual profit margin... and the actual process... FYI I'm on day 80 of waiting for PSA to get my graded cards back to me... ugh
Ugh. I'm on about Day 30 and I'm already annoyed. LOL.
Great discussion again Graig, as usual ! I would say sell the big one and go for some new great cards to add to my pc, with the exception of it being a Mays or Mantle iconic card. Then I couldn't do it !
Considering the Veterans HOF ballot, there are many deserving players here, but being a bit biased to the catcher position, I have to go with the Yankee captain Thurman Munson. Just look at the Topps 1971 and 1978 cards and he just reminds me of the greats like Campanella, Berra, and Bench. Short career but great stats. ROY in 1970, AL MVP in 1976, and 7 ALL-STAR squads in his 10 full seasons. Gotta get him in. Thanks Graig
Great argument for Munson. You don't have to twist my arm. I totally agree he should be in the HOF already.
eBay and PayPal take a lot more than 10%. And if you bought the card via Catalog Auction, you probably paid a 20% buyer’s commission on top of the sales tax and shipping. I’ve found that unless the card sells for 38% more than the original purchase price, I’m underwater. So “cashing out” is not as viable an option as it seems. And if a certain candidate wins in November (and we are taxed on unrealized capital gains on top of a digital dollar), we will all witness the death of the hobby.
The hobby will be fine come November. The proposed taxation of unrealized capital gains only would apply to individuals with net wealth over 100 million dollars. I’m sure these people are the ones that fuel the $5 mil Lebron James card sales, but I think the hobby will be ok without a portion of the top end sales happening. Beyond that if a guy with billions is buying million dollar sports cards, it’s equivalent of a guy with thousands buying cards worth ten bucks or less. He can do it for fun, not as an investment. These guys wipe their ass with Kobe rookie cards.
Some of y’all need to chill on the fearmongering media you’re consuming.
I agree. I was trying to be conservative with my numbers. But, it's A LOT!!
Right now....like, at this moment....if you sell more than $5,000 in cards on Ebay, you get tax forms to pay taxes. There's no fear mongering from me. That's the way things stand.
Thanks for reading my response Graig. To clarify, I personally don’t buy cards for pickup videos. 😂 But I’m sure some guys do feel that pressure. Keep up the great work!
I kind of thought that's what you meant. I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment that was a really good example of the struggles that we all have when deciding where to spend our hobby funds. I totally agree that we want to be actively hunting for new pickups, and waiting around for a long time isn't as exciting. Well said.
I feel pressure for my big growing channel. I'm picking up cards everyday. I'm running out of cards on my "list" AND $$$ in my slush fund.
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Vida Blue should make the HOF one day, MVP, CY Young and 3x World Series Champ
I've heard his name mentioned a few times, but probably not as much as it should be.
For a Civil War image I want, yes. My dead center 6.5 PSA Rose rookie is my big card.
The Rose rookie is so iconic.
@@MidLifeCards Rather have the 2nd year.
Love the vid Greg , thanks . ?? How many cards is considered , normal and healthy to be in ones p.c. I never heard anybody mention it . Five hundred 1000,ten thous. ?? Where's the line ?
I think it's impossible to answer that. It's different for everyone I would think.
Selling your top card? I guess that depends on your needs. I rewarded myself after my divorce by buying my best card, a Bobby Orr RC. Sell it? I plan on being buried with it.
That's a HUGE card!! Congrats!!
My answer to this weeks question is with out a doubt Pete Rose. I know he bet on baseball and that is a big no no but he bet for his team to win not to loose. I think that totally matters he has owned up to what he did and had an incredible career and accomplished a record that I don't think will ever be beat just like Gretzky's point totals.
It'll be interesting to see how the Pete Rose thing plays out over the next 10 years.
Graig, what do you consider a dream card price? 10 thousand plus, 100 K or more Thanks!
I think it depends on the person and the budget. At one point, $500 was a dream card for me. Now, it's probably a card that's $5k plus.
It's so difficult thinking of who MUST get elected to the HOF. I feel like there are tons of great players who aren't in. But should they? I'll throw a name out there as my pick.....Tommy John
Great choice. Not only was he a great pitcher, but he risked his career on an experimental surgery that has literally changed the trajectory of so many future players/pitchers!!
No sell, only buy
Adding without subtracting is expensive, but fun!!
I would say Pete Rose but we all know how MLB will never consider him and with that said I'm so going with Maury Wills a shoe in if only he hadn't to play under the shadow of HoF'er Pee Wee Reese for 7 years in the minors what a terror on the basepaths he would've been through the fab 50s with his career stats: 7× All-Star (1961-1963, 1965, 1966)
3× World Series champion (1959, 1963, 1965)
NL MVP (1962)
2× Gold Glove Award (1961, 1962)
6× NL stolen base leader (1960-1965)
with his key Rookie being the '60 Topps WS card with quite the action photo to cap off his speed and agility to tag out little Luis Aparicio.
Alright I know you said not to mention my top 5 most like to see in the HoF but I can't leave out Vada Pinson a close runner up with his near 3000 hits throughout his major league career can't be ignored.
Maury Wills is a great choice
This is not following the rules but could we discontinue the veterans committee and all of its derivatives? It served a legit purpose for many years but now it only serves to water down the Hall. Last year I discovered a HOFer had his cards as “common player” in a late 80’s Beckett. And we don’t need umps, managers, execs, owners, or “innovators.” Leave these guys in but no more - the Hall should be for the players. I don’t care who set the bases at 90 feet (IYKYK) or about someone’s “booming basso calls” (again, IYKYK). Let’s not let the only HOF that matters devolve into something like the Basketball Hall.
Super interesting question. I can see both sides of this one.
No. But maybe. 🤪
True!!
Pete Rose will not be allowed, so my answer is Dick Allen.
Dick Allen is a great choice.
Oh, yeah I forgot about Dick Allen. Another player I should have thought about more. Feel bad for him. He missed by one vote twice, and now he's passed away. Sad.
Pete Rose! MLB has him banned for 38 years now. Betting now is widely accepted, that is why major sports have moved into Vegas. How long can you punish the guy for the wrong he did? Lets go, the Hit King to the Hall!!!!
I would be open to that, if Joe Jackson, is inducted in, to the Baseball Hall of fame.
I don't disagree.
I can't believe how muvh ebay makes, talk about arbitrage
It's absolutely insane!!
Easy Answer. NOPE
LOL.