Conservative LGBT People Are So WEIRD!
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- As someone who has been part of the LGBTQIA+ community for almost 13 years, I have seen a lot of parts of our community. But the one part that confuses me the most is conversative LGBT people. I really don't think I will ever understand why they are filled with so much hate but you and I can go on a little journey together into conservative lgbt tiktok and find out exactly what they are saying.
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Project 2025 literally says they want to a. Make “porn” illegal and distributing it a sexual crime b. Bring the death penalty for sexual crimes c. Classify trans people as “creating porn”. Do the math!
it's literally a fascist playbook.
they also say they have 100.000 people signed up to support it. so it's very very dangerous if trump gets elected.
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Not only that, but banning p*rn is bullshit. I’m aegosexual, but I still personally enjoy smut and p*rn. To ban that legally is probably the most anti-freedom thing I’ve ever heard of. And then conservatives claim they are the party of small government. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Ok, could you please state where in the project you found this? It’s not that I don’t believe you, it’s that I don’t want to believe this is something people are ACTUALLY SAYING
So violent porn, gonzo porn and child pron are okay? Most people can live with the death penalty for sex crimes (pedophilia and rape for example). Trans people ARE creating porn; trans is the 3rd category choice after `straight` and `gay` porn. Men are watching porn on their phones in public while there are women present. Maybe somebody could try and do something about that?
"Why are we all of a sudden acting like Trump is anti-trans?"
Because we're listening to what he's saying. I feel like a good chunk of his base would no longer support him if they did the same.
Also he's a creepy rapist.
what also helps is Looking at all of the horrific specifically anti-trans garbage he passed when he was in office, but i dont expect these types to look at it considering theyre voting for the leopards eating faces party
At some point you figure out that every time people such as yourself talk about "trans people" you're not actually talking about the population of trans people as a whole, but a small demographic of narcissistic ideological zealots who have no personality outside of trivial subjects such as gender identity. You see, Trump is not actually anti-trans, he is however against this fringe group of ideological zealots, and guess what? Not every trans person is part of your little victim fantasy.
Didn’t he kick trans people (many of whom had NO WHERE to live) out of the military and onto the streets? How can anyone who knows what trump has done have any confusion about his BLATANT transphobia?
These people don’t realize they’re next. Just because you’re “one of the good ones” doesn’t mean you’re safe forever you just delay it for a bit longer while throwing others under the bus. It’s sickening how people can be this ignorant and naive.
`They`re next`...for what?
@@barryledgister4496 sorry just realized I was unclear in my wording lol. What I meant was that the whole mentality of people in the lgbt community trying to differentiate themselves from the rest of it. For example the whole LGB drop the T thing sure it may get rid of trans people making the LGB part look better in the eyes of conservatives but it’s not like gay marriage wont be next.
@@barryledgister4496 For the very treatment they're heaping on the "bad ones". Did you honestly not understand that extremely simple concept, or are you playing sealion?
@@Shampyon Given barry here shows up a no-no color with a certain Shinigami deal... I'm gonna guess they're JAQing.
This is literally the most deranged hive mind mentality I'm reading here.
Obergerfell has only just hit 10 years. Queer people in Texas couldn't get married 11 years ago. Same sex marriage was a thing in Skyrim before it was in America, let that sink in. It is going to take a very long time before we get to a place where people are just accepted as normal and have equal rights and protections in society.
Not even 10 years. October (?) 2025. I’m honestly terrified.
Do not compare your cause with the African American struggle. That’s how you lose allies. Please.
@@BellotaVerde Fixed.
@@BellotaVerdeBlack LGBT people are a thing.
I've noticed people like this tend to identify more with their privileged economic class, than with their marginalized status. They think their wealth will protect them, so they support the side that promises them the biggest tax cuts. So to them, it makes perfect sense.
Exactly. I'm sure for some conservative queers, it comes from a place of genuine internalized self-hatred, but for most it's just about the money.
Literally hoping no one outs them when “they come for them and no one speaks up”
These people's greed is much larger than their empathy.
They should talk to Martha Stewart about that.if you are in a minority or oppressed group, even being a famous billionaire does not make you one of "them".
@@JC-jo9bfSo poor people don’t care about income tax rates? As someone on the lower end of the income ladder, I do care about whether my income tax is 25% or 40%. Not everyone in life can rely on the luxury of “I’ll get my tax back at the end of the financial year so it doesn’t matter what’s taken out of my pay this cycle”.
He literally promoted project 2025 before it even had a name, supported, worked with and commissioned the authors of project 2025.
Sigh, everyone together: "Leopards..."
Sigh… Leopards…
Leopards… Faces… You know the drill.
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"But I didn't think they'd eat MY face."
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These people are like the modern day equivalent to the Association of German National Jews
No???this is. A very weird comparison.
Also Ernst Röhm.
The OG People for Face Eating Leopards Party
True.
I was about to comment on the Jews For Hitler group, beat me to it lmao
Gonna hazard a guess that guy who's against pride month also has thoughts about Black History Month, Juneteenth, and Women's History Month. I would love to be corrected/be wrong about this guess.
Yes, he does. He just Hates himself
Amir odon?
We've seen Trump apologize for his previous positions and grovel for magas approval because they booed him on stage. He has no values he won't sell to the highest bidder even if that bid is a minute of applause.
Exactly
Orange Mussolini doesn’t play sides. He just does what benefits him as is the case with narcissists like him.
Although they would take offence to being called "weird", just like how non-LGBT conservatives are taking offence to it, since they see themselves as "normal".
You are awesome, lynn Conservative and LGBTQIA do not mix. It is like being a vegetarian and enjoying a beef dinner. It makes no sense
@GlassMelon they take out their self-loathing on anyone else on the LGBTQIA
They want to ingratiate themselves to power, in hopes of getting special favors. They think their wealth will protect them, and that the best way to keep that wealth is the tax cuts conservative candidates promise. To them it makes perfect sense.
They tend to identify more with their privileged economic class, rather than their marginalized status. So to them, it makes perfect sense to support the side that protects the interests of the wealthy.
This is the same thing fascists said about people they deemed that although the exact same as them, couldn`t join as they were somehow incorrect...and needed ostracisation, insult and finally re-educating. This is the in-fighting hopefully just before the implosion of a disgraceful, fascist ideology.
It makes no sense to you, who are you to decide what’s good and what’s not, y’all have some nerve.
example of language changing (or at least different culturally) "I apologies for knocking you up" had it not been for the word apologies you might assume this came from someone getting someone else pregnant, but no this is from Sherlock Holmes apologizing to Watson for getting him out of bed, words change and can mean different things it is a fundamental part of language and why modern versions of ancient language sound almost nothing alike.
Yeah another example (more extreme ) is the word terrorist. It was associated with the terror government in France.
Looking at old dictionnary show us that word change.
Growing up Mormon, I was involved in a tight community of religious zealots who taught me how to make my own Kool-Aid. It's been a long process: coming to understand my queerness from a new framework, but I could just as easily let go of my cognitive dissonance and become one of these folks instead of learning and growing.
It must be very difficult for you to undertake this journey. Even though I don’t know you, I’m proud of you and am sending you thoughts of strength and love.
Yoooooooo another ex Mormon let’s go
Made your own Kool aid? How?
Conservatives are weird, that’s all I have to say about these people
@@SuckSeed-wn4xn Funny you say that but you call me bigoted for expressing an opinion, when I was actually criticising conservatives and a transphobe 🤔 So do you hate conservatives or not...?
@@jellychee You’re the only one forcing people into boxes that fit your comfort zone. Give up the ghost of an argument that you created and do some research.
Being weird is perfectly fine, we're all weird to certain people
The problem arises when you expect or force people you deem as weird to change anything on your whim, that's unreasonable and problematic especially when it leads to violence and actual laws(like wtf)
@@SuckSeed-wn4xn Using definitions is not forcing people into boxes that fit my comfort zone. It's how language and the world works. You're welcome!
@jellychee it is when people don’t want to be in those boxes.
0:45 Not vocally, but he also gives those people the power to put it into action. It’s really simple to understand if you think about it for longer than 2 seconds.
2:43 We need “validation” from the government to feel safe enough to leave the house and talk to our doctors. Our rights are in constant limbo. That’s not privilege, it’s asking for some, for our civil rights to be protected.
7:10 It’s not an ideology, that’s just how language works. Frankly, non-binary is a spectrum and someone can identify as feminine and choose to identify as a lesbian if they want. A non-binary person might be more attracted to cis woman. Butch lesbians have existed for a long time and don’t necessarily identify as gender-nonconforming. There is no reason to confine this terminology to cis women, this person is just limiting perspective with their own preconceived thoughts. This discourse is almost never applied to pop culture changing meanings which only further points out the hypocrisy of being upset about words having new meaning.
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Besides potential income, I think conservative queer people are just victims of toxic families pushing certain agendas and ideologies onto their kids and these kids don’t know how to grow up without seeking parental approval. Alternatively, they just want attention.
@@ThatFont Giggling, holy sh*t you're obsessed. Do you ever log off 😭 You have like 30+ replies on this video alone
@@jellycheedude i can see their amount of comments and it is half of that number
@@ChickenDinner_TheWinner It was actually more than that at the time of my comment. They replied 15 times to my thread alone and I deleted it because they wouldn't stop pestering me lol so naturally their comments get deleted with it. Put your thinking cap on, ChickenDinner_TheWinner dude.
It literally said 31 comments at the time of my comment being posted. 💀 I even screenshotted it to laugh at with my friends 😭
@@jellychee you crazy but whatever have a good day
@@jellycheeBased on their other comments I can see they have a lot of really good points im not sure why youre here making fun of them its rude please be nice
As a nonbinary lesbian who's dating a trans lesbian, the whole "only cis women can be lesbians" thing confuses me so much. I've always loved women, even before I came out as nonbinary. So lesbian has always been the term I used for myself (once I accepted that fact at least). And I don't like men so no other label seems to fit me?
As for my girlfriend, the fact that anyone can see her as anything but a woman genuinely baffles me. I literally packed feminine products on a trip just in case she needed them and it took me a few moments before I realized she didn't need those lol. She only likes non men, I only like non men. And neither of us are men. So lesbian fits us both very well.
I do remember spiraling down a trans med rabbit hole back in middle school though. And my thoughts would've been very very different. I remember hearing that trans women were forcing lesbians to be with them and it was transphobic to say no. Which is such a weird claim??? I still hear people say it. But like, if you don't wanna date a trans woman? Just politely say so. Let her be with someone else who does want to be with her. Someone who will love and respect her. Obviously saying yes just because you don't want to come off as transphobic would just lead to not so fun circumstances for either of you. And this goes with dating as a whole. But specifically with lesbians, I see no point for the in fighting. Especially since he/him lesbians used to be super common. Some people will argue that there's no need to be a male presenting lesbian now so he/him lesbians aren't valid. But if that's what someone's comfortable with then that's what they're comfortable with.
I know it was really REALLY hard for me to come to terms with my being nonbinary because I was constantly hearing these things. How could I come out as not quite feeling like a woman if everyone in my ear was saying I had to be a woman to date other women? I'm nonbinary and I'm a lesbian. There's nothing wrong with that. And my girlfriend may have been born a boy, but that doesn't make her any less of a woman or a lesbian.
But yeah, the debates lesbians have over trans people in the community is just pointless and annoying. There are much more important things to talk about, in my opinion. Like how lesbian is treated as a dirty word and how if you look it up you get porn before anything else. That feels like a much bigger problem to me.
i agree with all of this. i dont like the “dicourse” around he/him lesbians… i thought we already talked about pronouns =/= gender
You`re a straight couple...nothing to do with LGBTQIA+.
Transbians ARE invading lesbian spaces online, and lesbian clubs irl. They are forcing their unwanted male presence on lesbians. They`re not wanted...they`re men.
Why are you dismissing lesbians and their experience so easily...you`ve got your own thing going on, great...but t`s nothing to do with lesbianism.
This is incredibly valid, people who want to police gender and sexuality (when it's not hurting anyone) are dumb. I hope you two are doing well!
@@WosiePosieCozy Yeah those people are so weird! Just let people live their lives.
And yes, the two of us are doing amazing! Thank you!
So you are someone who isn't a lesbian who claims to be and tries to speak for lesbians. Doesn't make you one. A lesbian is a homosexual woman, that means same sex... you are not only dating the opposite sex but denying being a woman while calling yourself a lesbian and saying you can speak for us. That's the problem, a lot of bi sexually fluid women who call themselves lesbians. How about accept yourselves and be for real about what it is instead of trying to speak for lesbians and tell us what to think, thanks
I just hate it when so much of the rep for queer people is cis white big three (bi, gay, lesbian) people. Queer means so much more than just people who fit into the "simpler" boxes. We need pride because so many of us are still misunderstood and under represented. Also there are so many people like me who are still closeted. We need representation for asexual (umbrella term) people, pansexual people, aromantic (umbrella term) people, non-bisexual bi-umbrella people, and trans people who are not 100% ftm or mtf who do not fit the gender binary (or don't fit what people expect a trans person to present as for example a trans woman who is masculine or androgynous). There's so much more to the rainbow and we need all of it to be represented. ESPECIALLY intersex people and fighting for the rights of intersex children to have a say in whether or not they want gender affirming surgery. It's more complicated than gay or straight.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk lol :)
yap fest 🥱
Gay men and lesbian women are oppressed and persecuted all over the world. `Representation` needs to concentrate on those two groups based on same sex attraction. Nowhere in the world have asexual, aromantic, pansexual, and the other groups you mention...what are `non-bisexual bi-umbrella people`.... been oppressed and persecuted globally...so do NOT need representation. For any quasi-political lobbying group to work like LG (as it should be) it has to be focused on what is real and physical, not invented gender games.
Absolutely!! I'm a femme pan person who wishes there was more representation for femme4butch, butch4butch or just gnc people in general that aren't just white, skinny, young, people. There's so much diversity in the lgbtq+ community I want to see represented on screen, like pan Demi sexual people, poc enbies, gnc bears! Etc.
RE 8:00, In Back to the Future, Doc Brown in 1955 is confused by the expressions 1985 Marty uses; thinking that "this is heavy" means that Earth's gravity has increased. And that's literally just a 30 year difference.
“That’s dope” would send a cop into a drug busting frenzy like 20 years ago but now even the old timers would barely flinch
Dictionaries aren’t prescriptive, they’re descriptive, meaning they describe current word usages as opposed to providing absolute unchanging definitions.
I don't think they're LGBT so much as PMAG, Pick Mes And Grifters.
This is the best place to explain LGBT vs Queer though.
All Queers are LGBTQIA+, not all LGBTs are Queer.
Aww see you may think that because you assume other people just share controversial opinions to be "picked" and get approval, and not because it's what they truly believe and feel passionately about. Don't project your mentality on others thanksss
@@Spinner773 both *can* be true at the same time.
@@jake-lynndobos659 oh my gosh do you even hear yourself
The whole point of calling someone a gifter is to imply they would sacrifice morals and would do whatever to achieve other peoples acceptance. I say some people say what they truly believe and you just say both things can be true.
@@Spinner773 there can be explicit and implicit motivations.
2:41 Even if there are people who feel insecure, it's due to not feeling safe; right...? This also gives me the impression that this person thinks it's okay to shame people struggling with insecurities.
I had a friend (whom i still have to play nice with for safety reasons) that is trans yet is also very xenophobic and transphobic. I just can't wrap my mind around how they can be "all for trans rights" and then turn around and say such awful things about their own community
I'm so thankfull for this video. This is a topic that don't get out my head. Why now people like Jeffree Star Amber Rose and Arielle Scarcella turn to the other side.
If the argument is that the White House, major cities, and supermarkets displaying rainbow colors and celebrating queer pride during June is special treatment of a privileged group, is logically follows that Christians are even more privileged for the “special treatment” they receive in December.
Every year, the White House displays lavish and expensive Christmas decorations, NYC erects an enormous Christmas tree and holds a lighting ceremony, and every supermarket is flooded with more red, white, and green than an Italian embassy the moment October ends.
But as a queer atheist, I don’t make that argument; I celebrate both Christmas and Pride because they’re harmless, joyous traditions and other peoples’ happiness does not encroach upon my own.
On the pride flag thing... having pride flags in public spaces makes me feel a lot safer. Especially in places like schools, airports, etc. Sure, its not everything, but I live in Texas... I need constant reassurance bc that reassurance tells me I can be myself and worry less.
8:42: Ok so I'm an NB lesbian and I'm sure other people have more to say about this, but I think the reason why some cis lesbians are wanting to ostracize butch trans and non-binary people in the community is because of what that word means to so many induvial's. Its not just an orientation to some people its a community. One that was once so exclusionary of gender non-conforming lesbians the lipstick lesbian flag was very commonly used. People arent ready to share their community with people they feel don't fit in. But we do fit. Gender non-conforming lesbians know there attraction to women to be queer because we aren't men and our experience of gender is in some way closely aligned with that of cis women, take myself for example, I don't feel any gender whatsoever however I was afab and present pretty traditionally feminine
Sounds to me like a resurgence of the political lesbians (yeah, read up on them, they're basically the root of TERFs)
(not calling YOU a political lesbian to clarify quickly: calling the gatekeepers the political lesbians)
Literally! Lesbian is a community that tons of people fit into. Including but not limited to : nonbinary people, butches, studs, fems, trans women, trans men, gnc, mspec, and more! Assuming your attraction to women is more queer than others is so entirely selfish
Not only that but I've seen gatekeeping about people's sexual lives in the lesbian & sapphic community (I'm pan femme, just to clarify the addition of sapphic) but people who say you can't be a stone bottom/top bc you like women are wild. Why are people so worried about policing others gender and sexuality. If it doesn't hurt anyone it's chill!! I will forever love gnc, butch, non binary, trans fems, trans mascs, ect, and support them to the end.
Ok I don't really feel strongly about the "what is a lesbian" thing (it's not my place) but the needless, repetitive hammering of "DEFINITIONS OF WORDS MUST BE RESPECTED" is reeeeeeeally ticking off my inner language nerd
Its not like we invent words all the time. Right?
😭 literally I see it in bi vs pan discourse too. I'm pan, the term bi doesn't feel right for me. I do have a preference for women and fellow enbies. But it doesn't affect who I date. Majority of my ex's are men and my fiancé is a man.
Yeah Definitions DO change!!! Thats the fluidity of language! Its a living thing that either becomes stagnant and dies or changes and lives
Even back in the day there were butches who used he him along with she her pronouns not just for survival but because they identified with them in some way, some even used butch as a gender identity in of itself
Is it complicated? Yes! Does it always make complete sense? No! But queer identity has been forced to be in neatly defined boxes for centuries, we shouldnt fall into the same trap. Queer identity is probably always going to be messy!
@@mylife-23also opposite but same! Im bi but im a fan of women, enbies/gender nc and like 3 men but cause i have preferences i vibed more with bi but someone else in my shoes could vibe with pan
@@loganalvarez2985 🫶🫂
It's also very clear these people are not very in on queer culture. Strict definitions and boxes is something queer people have broadly not been very keen on throughout the years so it feels very forced when some people seem to want to enforce them.
But what about GAY people? Because me and any gay person I know would say it means a homosexual, same sex attraction.
Ofc other people want to be more loose with the definitions
I can't understand people from any minority group being conservative.
Why not? The Left is a disaster and doesn`t achieve anything worthwhile for minority groups, it`s only obsessed with the virtue signalling white middle class. Same group as the conservatives, but just lying about being `nicer`.
@@barryledgister4496Trump actively wants to strip my rights away, so the Left is certainly a lot better. I’d rather be ignored than be persecuted
@@ArrowsAndDragons What Trump wants is irrelevant...he isn`t in power. There is a Democratic government in power...and it`s under their watch trans activists have been speaking about genocide, eradication, oppression and persecution. Give me one example of anything the Dems/Left have done while IN POWER that`s for the betterment of LGB people...there`s nothing, it`s all window dressing and White House visits.. Believe me, a Trump government would ignore LGB people, rather than this left-wing focus on trans issues, much to the detriment of trans people. Nobody is persecuting people in the USA.
Then you’re very narrow-minded. Not everyone is the same way!
@@Yams-Hams7734 when one party actively oppresses a group that you belong in, you’re turning a blind eye to your own oppression. Conservatives are k!lling us. It’s not just “different opinions”.
6:53 why…. Is…. She….. taking…. Like…. A…. Robot…. Or…. Like…. A…. Children’s…. Learning…. Toy…?
I feel the worms in my brain screaming because they feel insulted by her manner of speaking
Its just ignorant people gatekeeping. Thats it. Very few of them have any kind of true understanding of the subjects in which they even speak. Its sad.
7:56 do people realize that words are frickin MADE UP? And therefore their definitions are ALSO made up?
Edit: I seriously didn't think people would take this comment at face value. Yes I know words are not meaningless. I was just making a joke :/
No. Words refer to very real things and emotions. That`s how I understood your sentence. Words are a way of communicating.
@@barryledgister4496 tbh I was joking. I know words aren't meaningless but it is true (as it's explained in the video) that their meaning change over time. Words can be repurposed and that's how languages work.
I just used hyperbole to make a joke because even if you take these conservative LGBT people's points seriously they don't make sense. So I didn't feel the need for my dramatic joke to make sense.
Something can be made and also real. Humans made up lots of languages. Those languages are real and useful. It just also means that humans can also change the thing we made up.
@@kyleepratt yes I know tbh it was just a joke. I was exaggerating. I know words are real and have meaning and that their meaning can change over time. I really didn't expect anyone to take this comment so seriously lol
@@daniella_otsuki haha I was trying to support your assertion (I thought). Sorry it didn't come across right 🙃
It's not that we "need validation" so we stop feeling insecure
It's that we have been made to feel unwelcome in our communities and in some cases in our own families.
We ask for solidarity and allyship
We wish to be seen for who we are, and for our queer identities to no longer be villainized and oppressed.
(This is in response to the second video)
What a bunch of pick-me weirdos.
ur the ones seeking validation from the US Imperial Core like a medieval peasant begging their lord…
A video with no dislikes ??? Ik that there is only 3.2k views, but still!
Have you learned about "Alice Weidel" yet? She's the leader of the most successful right wing party in Germany right now. I think she is asexual and has a queer-platonic relationship of some sort, but she never really said anything to that effect.
As far as I know, she identifies as lesbian, lives in a partnership with another woman who's family does not originate in Germany and raises two sons with her, while, as you said, is one of the leaders of a right wing party that is very homophobic/transphobic/etc. and strongly opposes immigration. She is the definition of hypocrisy.
She is a weird person, and fits the categories of this video. (As a german, and as far as I know it, and according to German Wikipedia) she is a a lesbian living Switzerland with her partner, a Swiss of Sri Lankan decent, Sarah Bossard, and two kids. She does not like to be labelled queer (fair game). Her party, the Alternative für Deutschland, is far right extremist, and has varying conservative views on LGBT ranging from „keep it private“ to „should be illegal“ and openly Nazi views. Her own views seem to be „family is where kids are“. My impression of her is that she glosses over LGBT topics and stresses the core topics of the AfD like anti refugee etc. I feel she is sort of the moderate alibi, „they can’t be so bad, when they have a lesbian as a party leader“. I understand when people have economically conservative views or a everybody for themselves mentality but to align oneself with people that glorify Nazis, that not only put gay men in concentration camps with the pink triangle but lesbians, too, but not with the pink triangle but labelled as antisocial. I don’t understand this woman.
She's also a German politician who lives in Switzerland.
7:52 Ma'am (the one angry at a slightly broader definition of lesbian), definitions in dictionaries just capture the way people use words. If the use of a word shifts, then the definition shifts. Dictionaries don't control how words are used.
Notice how words typically have multiple definitions/uses listed in the dictionary? Or how older dictionaries never completely match newer ones?
Still, saying that lesbians are attracted to "non-men" is nonsensical. Imagine a masculine AMAB non-binary person, who is by definition a non-man. It's obvious a lesbian would not be physically attracted to them since they don't have a "female" sex, neither have they transitioned to a female gender and they are not feminine.
The problem I see here is that we start to mix physical attraction, which is mostly based on you sex, with gender, which is not dependent on your body. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say lesbians are women who are attacked to people of female sex who have not (physically) transitioned to a masculine gender and people of male sex or intersex people who have (physically) transitioned to a female gender (as long as they pass, I guess)?
Inclusiveness is great, but it should come at a cost of not being able to properly describe reality.
Sir, the whole point is that we reject the new definition.
Sure, "apple" could be used for oranges too, but I don't want to get orange juice when I ask for apple juice.
@@lezweron1506 I'm not going to start policing "passing", goodness.
@@ovkae1559 I mean, yeah you can personally reject it. Other folks are going to say they are lesbians who you would say aren't. I'm going to just go with what folks tell me about themselves with regards to gender and attraction. Seems to me that's just a kind thing to do that doesn't really hurt anyone as far as I can tell.
If I meet 2 non-binary folks are dating who are Masc presenting, but they use the word lesbian for themselves, I'd probably internally have a thought of "that's surprising, I wouldn't have guessed they would connect with that identity." And then I will go on with my day, saying nothing to them about it.
Daily remind,
YOU ARE VALID 🏳️🌈
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🧐 Nah. “Self-identities” requiring external validation are hypocritical & gross. If you (Lynn) “know you’re NONBINARY”, then you should be secure in your identity and not care what other people call you. You (Lynn) are a woman, you have a womanly body, you have a womanly face, you have a womanly voice, you’ve always been a woman, and you always will be a woman. That’s my opinion of you and my exercising freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Your personal sense of “NONBINARY identity” shouldn’t be affected by my external validation (or lack thereof) of your thoughts/feelings on the labels you choose for yourself. YEP, READ ALL THAT (if you’re literate) 💕💖💕
@@JudiDench-fxfx If you are gonna be hateful, please don't reply!
@@GlassMelon I’m a lesbian. Many ppl have insisted I’m straight/bi. They don’t upset me. The women I date know I’m attracted to women, because they know I’m attracted to them!! My lesbian label isn’t for society, it’s just for ME and my romantic/seggsual PARTNERS. This is liberating for me, knowing who I am at heart, not giving other people control of my feelings about such a core part of me.
@@im_not_sure_what_to_put_here I have no “hatred” for Lynn. She’s cool and smart (too smart for her own good I think, over-analytical). I disagree with the socio-political stance she strongly promotes in her videos. I think it’s harmful for many young & impressionable & vulnerable viewers (especially girls & women).
@@JudiDench-fxfx what are you trying to do? being like this, are you trying to make them feel worse about themself, because that's what it seems like.
Leopards people, leopards
Re: the fourth video
There are tons of different ways that people define the same label.
For instance, nonbinary people can be lesbians, under the "non-men who love non-men" definition. It doesn't have to vibe with me to work for them. Personal definitions differ and yeah that's potentially hard to navigate, but words and labels don't have to be "perfect fits" anyway.
It's okay for our labels to mean fairly different things to different people, the important thing is communication and community.
NGL I was legitimately having a hard time finishing the video.
Some of these people are just so goddamn infuriating.
Thank you for going through what was likely a hell of a lot of it just to make this. You've got more patience than I do by a long shot!
If I had to guess I would assume that most of the people that are conservative queers are white and young. And probably not trans.
You can say that of many left-wing queers...white, young and not trans. Oh, and middle class...just like the conservatives.
@@barryledgister4496Even technically straight in some cases..
7:04 That. Is how. Language. _WORKS!!!_ LIKE HOW THE WORD _MID_ IS CONSIDERED NEGATIVELY! OR HOW _SICK_ IS COMMONLY USED FOR SOMETHING GOOD! IT'S NOT THAT HARD!
someone had to say it!!
@@WhenSheJorblinMyJeapnis It's so stupid that I didn't even wait for Lynn to say the exact same thing!
The word bully used to mean good.
8:00 Yeah really this! Language and words are defined by how people use them, not by the written definition in the dictionary
And the dictionary definition changes along with how people use words - it's descriptive, not proscriptive! But certain people see everything as a rulebook to be obeyed instead of a reseource to learn and grow.
But when two people use two different meanings of the same word, especially if the meanings contradict each other then communicate has failed.
@@janet3761 and that only happens when bad faith actors make it so, communication hasn't failed, they have failed in refusing to keep up.
@@lil_mocha3772 come off it. The definition of ‘woman’ hasn’t changed.
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences as a non-binary individual. You’ve really helped me better understand how being non-binary feels-or could feel. I know everyone’s experience is different-and what struggles you face. Now I can better see a NB person as who they are. Using the correct pronouns is nice, but actually understanding why those are someone’s pronouns is a lightbulb moment. ❤
Like words and definitions haven't changed over time...smh at the lack of critical (oh no I used 'critical'!) thinking and an understanding of history.
If the last female with the word salad throwing buzz words doesnt understand then how about this.
Laws were in place, mostly due to religion, that no abortions, being lgbt was illegal, women couldn't vote, black person was NOT a person, divorce was unheard of etc. And
Yet
That
All
Changed.
Maybe she wants to be a trad wife for an abusive man and not a lesbian? 🤷♀️
I don't think the term Queer can apply to conservatives no matter what they get up to in the bedroom. It literally means to be weird, differing from the norm, differing from conventions and traditions. If a person is campaigning for conservative, patriarchal, straight dominated society. They are not Queer.
So `queer` is `weird, differing from the norm, differing from conventions and traditions`. How? Tell me how a group of people who are usually white, middle class, college educated Westerners in Western nations are `weird`?
I'm thinking that it's either because of self hatred (because of dealing with years of bullying) or that it's a desire to finally gain acceptance and a condescending pat on the head from the bullies.
So let`s seriously roll up our sleeves and deal with bullying of GNC pupils in school, instead of teaching them absurdities like graysexual, non-binary, and aroace?
I don’t know if it’s actually true or not because people can just say anything online and I’m not a US citizen but someone said Trump started out democrat until he realized left leaning people aren’t dumb enough to vote for him.
So him being okay with a conservative trans celebrity using whatever bathroom she likes doesn’t mean he’s going to be nice to the average lgbt person or care about policies that help trans people. He’s a guy who started a company with millions of dollars he wanted to be president for the power and the wealth not because he’s passionate about politics.
Left or right it just shows me that Trump has no real resolve to do anything other than get more money
He started out as a POPULIST "independent" centrist, not democrat. Was always Republican as a candidate, though.
I know too much about that shitshow's start, ugh.
Also keep in mind that in the US centrist populists are basically the spineless who fence sit and lean to whatever side they feel they can hook and reel in. A weathervane is more consistent.
@@neoqwerty He was a young Democrat, tv and media business celebrity...dem oozed from his pores. He changed because he knew he could beat the Dems as they had no policies anymore. And he was proved right. He`s obviously not centrist now, as he is in the Republican party. He and Ivanka have donated to Kamala Harris before his Presidential campaign.
8:17 (chane in definitions)
i think maybe this shift and language change is happening way to fast for them to comprehend and truly digest and actually take it in and maybe see why and all that. and the appearance of seeing all these other identities sort of pop up seemingly out of nowhere and have some rough starts and maybe come off as cringey in some aspects before they can fully find their footing and get it right or something. i think that could be what the conservative faction gives side eye for. or something like that.
There`s been no shift in language or change...the term `transbian` is only used or accepted by men and their handmaidens who wish to delude themselves. `Non-binary lesbian` is also absurd. Language changes, but it has to be consensual, and make sense and be of benefit. Finding different words for `man` is pointless and has been rejected. It`s also not inclusive...`transbian` and `non-binary lesbian` are about the invasion of men into female spaces. In a year or two these phrases will not be used, except by predatory men.
If we're gonna lose our minds over going OC for Pride... Where's that energy for the Christmas season (AKA Sep-Jan)?
Or people and sports?
The problem will do whatever his base wants him to do no matter what he personally thinks. Similarly with his so-called "anti-war" policies, he really doesn't have any and will capitulate to the industrial military complex.
I feel like the whole not understanding that language changes goes back to what you said before, that studies show that non-conservatives tend to be far more intelligent and better educated than conservatives. In two college courses I had to trace the roots and evolution of words and write papers about them. Maybe if we forced middle schoolers to do this since conservatives seem to either skip college or apparently not pay attention there it would help?
it's not equality it is equity we don't need equal rights we need we need equity for rights
@@slothdirector-dn3oq explain please
You already have equal rights
OR! let people have their own political views and not be sheep that want to have social validation for having the “right opinion”
"only in the last ten or fifteen years..."
1969, stonewall. progress is not marked by the moment liberal concessions are made in law, but from the moment we found we had community and the power to act in our own defense and self-improvement.
do not erase our history, learn it *please*
`Liberal concessions are made in law`...so same sex marriage was just a liberal concession? Yes, Stonewall in 1969 lit the touchpaper, but many people would argue it was only in the 80s Stonewall and the LGB community became a political force. From 69- the end of the 70s, there was huge conflict between gay men, lesbians, `scene` gays and `sissy` gays. I wouldn`t say they were a codified community with political force at that point. But hey, people have a difference of opinion...you know how that works?
@@barryledgister4496 yes absolutely gay marriage is just a liberal concession. it is by no means the definitive win liberals take it to be, when our radical movement was trying to abolish the contract-marriage and liberate people from the expectation of getting married *at all*
the inter-community division you're talking about, between the liberal Mattachines and the radicals who actually threw bricks and made demands, continues to this day. the corporate sponsored rainbow-themed shopping mall that is modern day pride will keep selling a product but they aren't prepared to get nasty any more
as a trans leftist, i am very disappointed that our history is being condensed down only to the legal outcomes that followed decades of our community struggle
@@barryledgister4496 yes, i would characterize obergefel v hodges as a much less critical victory than it's often depicted by liberals. achieving equity under the christian dominion is less appealing than the original radical leftist goal of abolishing contract-marriage and liberating people of all genders from the expectation to marry at all. that goal used to be clear and salient for the pride movement, and being folded into the normative establishment recuperated a lot of energy that should still be put into pursuing a world where everyone is considered a full member of a mutual aid society
we are going to need to remember our radical roots. and don't think i missed you redacting 'the letters'. it's not clever
But the meaning of change changes over time.
The meaning of meaning doesn’t mean what it used to mean
One thing I hate about some members of the LGBT community is how they find some way to hate on other people like them! It's ridiculous, we already go through a lot, we should be supportive of each other, not hateful.
Same! I don't understand these tik toks. Great video! 💜
Thank you friend, for sharing :>
I was raised Republican and I dont know how to change that mindset if need be, i would consider myself being in the LGBTGIA+ community and i would definitely be inclusive and kind no matter my political veiw
But you can`t be `inclusive and kind` n your political view...it has to exclude somebody or have views others see as unkind. Look at all the non-inclusive and unkind comments in this thread regarding Conservatives. It seems you`re saying `I`m in the LGBTGIA+(G?) community and may be conservative but will be inclusive and kind like you wonderful left-wingers`...but the left-wingers are the most hateful and divisive of all.
If I keep voting for the Leopards Eating Faces Party, the leopards will never eat my face!
this coming from a person that is wearing a "choker" necklace, and i BET has "daddy" issues.
They've been weird since Andrew Sullivan and Norah Vincent.
I agree that this is a sad state of affairs for our community. So much of what you mentioned is true. Language always evolves and can even differ amongst people who speak the same language. Think of regional variations of word usage. I grew up in the Midwest calling carbonated beverages “pop”. Where I live inTexas now they either call it soda or everything coke. The US and Great Britain use a lot of different words for things than we do and so on. But, overall it is sad that some people in our community are not only intolerant towards others, but also completely DELULU to think tRump cares about them beyond getting their votes. I’m a non binary lesbian, and really like the brides of thinking of lesbian meaning a more nuanced non-male wanting a relationship with another non-male. Since I have a wide variety of types of women I’m attracted to-usually androgynous or masc but occasionally a femme presenting individual, it makes sense to me. I hope they see the light before it’s too late. I’d definitely like more videos like this. It was an interesting look into this group.
I'm kind of conservative but not totally and I certainly hate trump. I think I'm more in the middle betwee liberal and conservative because it gives much more opportunity to discuss and see what is correct or not with the help of arguments
Also used to watch Ariel and it's honestly so disheartening
8:00 We should *only* use the word lesbian to mean someone from the greek island of Lesbos. We can’t have these definitions changing on us
These people need to look up the Verband nationaldeutscher Juden.
And see how well that worked out for them.
Regarding the second TikTok post, I am not sick of the pride flag. Yes, I identify as a gay man, and I also enjoy seeing a pride flag throughout the year. I miss going to prides. My city did not have one this year. I agree that privilege is also involved when discussing social equality/equity. Personally, I prefer equity since equity requires understanding the rare circumstances of each situation. I identify as a gay man and miss having local events with gay men. Having a pride month helps with that. It doesn't diminish it. I thank him for sharing his thoughts. He sounds intellectual and I wish him well.
I wonder how that guy feels about black history month. Does he say the same thing about MLK day hmmm.....
Im so confused. To the first video. You were literally anti conservative , being dragged for being trans , making videos on tik tok about trans awareness. Im so confused on the first video . She seems like a pick me .... i followed her videos for awhile but this is just crazy.
I dont need pride flags to feel validated every june i just love the rainbow and i can wear it whenever the hell i want it doesnt have to be june
2:18 this whole tiktok is disgusting and it truly shows how unaware of issues these people are
not to invalidate anyone but as a queer person living in the middle east its really crazy how these people act
Yeah this stuff reminds me of an uncle of mine. He really doesn't like trans people - mostly transwomen. I wanna know his opinion on transmen considering I am. I really want to confront him asking "If you hate trans people so much, what do you think of me?"
I hate how a lot of conservative LGBT people are the ultimate "pick me" people. It makes me shake my head every time he tells my mom he tries to mesh in with his "conservative country club 'friends' " and I'm like "wtf is wrong with you"
I dont get gay conservatives. It juat does not compute. How can you actively go against things that help you. It's so wild!
Why do `gay conservatives` need things that `help` them? What things do you mean are there to `help` them?
@@barryledgister4496you know things like rights
@@Shitting_pissing_cuming The moderate and conservative gay community fought for rights far better in the 80s, 90s and 2000s...much better than the present left-wing dominated LGB, with trans activists fighting for male inclusion in womens` sports and spaces and pushing queer agendas ahead of gay peoples` voices. And the campaign to keep puberty blockers use for minors and taking children off parents who disagree with the kids `gender identity` are more fascism than a fight for equality.
"Not like the leopards are gonna eat my... OH NO MY FACE IS BEING EATEN BY A LEOPARD!!!!"
Also I have had a few run in's and disagreements with Republican trans women. I can't stand them!
Language is descriptive, not prescrptive. Use determines definitions, not the other way around.
It's called "low self esteem"
3:05 I need flags to know what places are safe here in the southern USA.
He has endorsed project 2025 he ran several ads saying it was the republican parties platform.
Stupid really does come in every flavour of the rainbow
Stephanie Bright or Brightman (I think was her name) but I used to love her totally chaotic videos about doing her makeup, or dropping her voice to scare off men trying to intimidate her... then she started getting political and the Chaos seemed more and more like it was not an act... I think she's deleted everything she could though after the backlash; so I don't know if she's still Conservative and Pro Trump, but that was essentially the reason for her last time being noticeably in the "spotlight" before going dark so I would assume she likely still is. (Her Time for Warpaint video, and her Lashes makes all the difference between looking like a frog and looking put together where two of my favorites; she used to just love to make fun of her life and the stupid situations she'd get in or observe)
Hello just found your channel and i think you had the best opinion of anybody ive ever seen
Self-hate, being a coward, bitter cuz not brave enough to face xyz in their life, and desperately wanting attention is the reason we see this foolish behavior
I think they`re fighting the excesses of extremists in the LGBTQIA+ community which is destroying it as a political force and turning it into a joke. This creator is an example...how many `gender identities` has she said she is? She even thinks it`s okay for straight asexuals to be a part of LGBTQIA+ ...that is, straight people can be in the organisation and community. You can call them `conservatives` if you wish, but they`re entitled to their opinion, and they`re not creating the harm to LGB that the Left is.
@@barryledgister4496asexuals are part of the community wether you like it or not. Also, it’s “LGBT” not “LGB”
@@ArrowsAndDragons i think they deleted their comment
actually I think for some of them it could be the opposite problem of being coward or not brave, they think that because we’re no longer being murdered in the street or being considered so disgusting we don’t even deserve a cross to be burnt on that it’s enough and asking for anything else like access to transitioning and having pride month or being openly gay is just too much to them.
As someone who was abused as a child it took me a while to get used to my teenaged step siblings and the fact that teenagers act rebellious without being abused. I had a reason to act messed up at that age and they didn’t, their bratty behaviour made my blood boil to the point I couldn’t be around them.
They are actually well adjusted adults now, more so than I am.
I think for these people it’s kind of like that, they’re angry that we’re all “too sensitive and too proud and too entitled” when really the bare minimum of not being afraid for our lives shouldn’t be all we ask for.
They’re like “wow thank you so much for not murdering me I don’t claim these other guys” I think for some of them they’re like stockholm victims.
This is why I don't like TikTok. You have to look at the screen or you miss something. It's not something you can do the dishes while listening to. Ugh...
I'm going to get a lot of hate. Am conservative that does not make me racist or homophobic but the point od this comment is give a other perspective peacefully, and am gay. If you would like to discuss in the replys i will happily do so.
ok 0:50 is a level of delusional I can only dream of obtaining
The second guy sounds like a Disney channel movie bully
I am a centrist and I watch both sides and both sides have good thoughts. What I'm into is that people must leave each other alone. If someone wants to call themselves a lesbian, okay let it be but if the definition of other person doesn't match your definition, don't imply it to them! Both sides, right and left have a problem of implying their views to each other and thinking that their true is the only true, when it reality each person has their own true. One cis woman must be uncomfortable with trans woman in the bathroom while other cis woman won't. And that's completely okay, because everyone is different!
"Centrist" is just conservative that doesn't have the self awareness to understand that it's a conservative.
Nice try, maga sheep.
the problem is it can’t be that? if some think that only adults should be allowed to medically transition and others think that kids should be allowed to medically transition too you can’t just leave it. if someone thinks you shouldn’t have pride flags because they aren’t oppressed now but the other thinks people should put a flag to imply safety as they still see or deal with it you can’t drop it. some opinions can not be just dropped. you can’t both have no pride and still have pride, that’s why it’s a problem. if it was just i think their should be i think clothes shouldn’t be gendered vs i think clothes should be gendered it most likely could be dropped :3
The gay republicans that Betelgeuse was talking about
Here is the defintion of lesbian: a person who identifies as such.
The only time a definition should matter is in academic literature because you need to draw an arbitrary line aomewhere in your sample. Other than that, definitions by their own nature are fuzzy because categories are fuzzy. The only way to make a definition not fuzzy is to name everything that fits into the category. Thus your definition excludes anything not explicitly name. For example, if you want to make a strict definition of lesbian then you need to have a list of every person who fits this category. Anyone who is not on the list is not a lesbian. I feel like people need to learn about the Plato's notion of forms and what makes a chair a chair.
Am i like this? Exhales* is there's a cure for either homosexualitiy or internalised homophobia? Cause you can't live with both, you gotta get rid of one.
Ladies and gentlemen, your brain on privileged contrarianism! (The subjects of this video.)
7:15 conservative figuring out how language works (6000 BC, coloured)
what about the Centrist LGBT community. I am part of it as a bisexual male with centrist views and we are an interesting breed.
It depends on what you mean by centrist. A lot of people who describe themselves as “centrist” aren’t at all, and are particularly partial to extremism, and only use the label of centrism to shift the Overton window, usually to the right.
@@SarastistheSerpent I hate the people who are fake centrists. I am a real centrist tho
Lady J is so condescending
I can't understand siding with people who hate you. Couldn't be me. Even if they paid me. And i need money too.