Really cool watch, love the ingenuity. The QR code is so ugly I can only assume it was intentional sabotage by an executive who disapproved of the project.
Man, you're not kidding about the QR code. That thing is a hate crime against horology to an otherwise amazing piece of work (practicality notwithstanding).
I completely agree with your statement on the QR code design. A watch costing nearly half a million is spoilt by such a gastly, cheaply looking add on design which adds nothing to it's overall appearance. What on earth were they thinking!...A sacking should ensue!!
Tom is getting very good/funny in his side-kick, Ed McMahon role. This watch is an amazing achievement…although I would be scared to death to actually wear it.
Amazing what Bulgari is doing in the last years. All true masterpieces in all terms of art, engineering and thinking. Hope they get in the place they deserve to be. Must feel great working as a watchmaker / engineer for this company where you are constantly challenged to do something extraordinary.
Absolutely INSANE WATCH! I feel like I can't even wrap my head around this watch! If you see if next to a coin..... IT IS THINNER THAN THE COIN! Blimey!
The watch is amazing but for $440k Bulgari should have eliminated the QR code. It’s “TACKY” looking for such a beautiful time piece. Keep up the great work.
bulgari and piaget side by side, the altiplano arguably looks more refined and well thought of than octo finissimos almost mudane and concept-like design. Clearly piaget wont sacrifice elegance over having the title of thinnest watch
I think Bulgari have done a great job to get their name out there as the world's thinnest watch but I think most will agree that Piaget is a better looking watch.
I agree. I mean the fact they split minutes and seconds gives the octo finissimo a really weird aesthic. The crowns don't feel like they are properly part of the watch unlike Piaget which seem to perfectly fit. It feels like trying to get into the record books for worlds shortest man by cutting off your legs. Sure you are shorter but it doesn't feel right or fair. Also the QR code is just in my opinion stupid and tacky. In a hundred+ years people will look back and still see the Piaget as a symbol of elegance and sophistication. The Bulgari will look like a stupid fad that dumb people in the early 21st century enjoyed. It would be like seeing a luxury watch using a pog as it's face. Or maybe a luxury watch with an included beanie baby.
@@twirdman2 I strongly disagree with that notion of "timelessness". Watches, like most other industrially-produced goods, firmly cement themselves in the time and place they were made. You should be able to look at, say, a Chaika 3050 and instantly know its a product of the 1970s. "Timelessness" ultimately cheapens a timepiece, robbing it of the cultural and social contexts under which it was made.
Personally, I prefer the aesthetic of the Bvlgari better. Hard, angular everything and highly geometric forms have always been my thing. It's also a fantastic technical achievement with several novel concepts on display at once.
Just got to say it looks incredible, how they have managed to do it is mind blowing, I don’t want one but I would like to see one 🤙🏻 Just a quick thanks to everything you guys do, after a long day at work, your show is a pleasure 🙌🤙🏻
Makes you think about this scene from Pulp Fiction: ruclips.net/video/YFtHjV4c4uw/видео.html With the thinness of this Octo Finissimo his father wouldn't even notice it was there...
Amazing engineering to get a mechanical watch this thin. Hard to wrap my head around just how thin the parts of the movement have to be. Imagine being the employee assembling it. One sneeze and the parts would be scattered far and wide! Kudos to the design team on this achievement. My only gripe is the QR code on the front as I find it a bit disruptive to the overall design (plus, in 20-30 years, will future collectors be asking what all those lines mean). Since I'll never have the 440,000 Pounds of disposable income to consider if I should buy it, it's a non-issue. Even though it's a millimeter thicker, I like the overall Piaget design of their ultrathin watch.
Very possibly they are machine assembled. The parts are huge compared to micro circuit board assembly. If you have ever seen the automated assembly robots by Panasonic in person, it is mind-blowing. Look up ultra high speed pick and place machine.
I really enjoyed this chat! It was bloody excellent. Totally agree about the QR code. I just feel like it's not too much of a leap from mechanical watch to digital asset.
This watch would have infinitely more appeal if they let the buyer pick the QR link Now you have a REAL non-fingible-token...it's literally engraved into the watch
Question: in a normal watch, the mechanism is wound when the crown is in position zero, while the time can be changed by pulling out the crown in position 1; but in this new concept, what saves the owner from accidentally changing the time, perhaps accidentally touching the wheel when the watch is on the wrist? thanks!
My understanding is that the “crown” is _always_ in “position one”, and there must be an intentional lack of a hacking seconds mechanism (which would be an additional design constraint, anyway). I also guess the rationale is that if you’re one to accidentally touch the wheel when the watch is on the wrist, you’d also probably accidentally bend the case when the watch is on the wrist, too. In other words, you “baby” it.
It's surely worse than that. The crowns seem like direct paths into the mechanism for any dirt, crud, dust etc. Although the lads did casually mention 10 m water resistance, so perhaps there's at least some minimal dust seal, somehow.
The Piaget looks more refined and elegant than the Bulgari. The Bulgari looks more functional since it has a running seconds. I consider the Piaget at 2.0mm is too thin for me that I would not consider buying it even if I could afford to. I would dread wearing it for fear of breaking the watch. What more the Bulgari at 1.8mm. Between the two watches, I would go for the Piaget.
The Octo design elephant in the room is that the crown gears are also the crown grip - any skin oils/sweat/dirt are picked up by the crown are conveyed directly into the mechanism/gear-train.
I highly doubt any of these will see dirt. Even if they did, I’m sure that taking care not to wind dirt into it and a no doubt ridiculous service interval will mean any wear issues are unimportant. The keyless works are not as sensitive to grit and debris as the escapement or drive train. Still it’s hardly ideal. But for something like this who cares? This watch is more of an exhibition than anything practical. It’s about testing the limits of technology and watchmaking. It’s width is a much bigger flaw than it’s crown. No matter how much effort has gone into its structure I guarantee it’s more prone to damage and failure than a watch of even a conventionally “thin” width. If these were worn as a regular timepiece I’d bet more were victim to being caught in a door or falling down wet stairs, or getting wet, than were lost to an accumulation of dirt in the keyless works.
Wrong thinking, the wheels you touch will remain always outside of the watch. So, what you are seeing at 9:06 is in fact the view of back of the watch and not inside of the watch.
Oh my, this really got overshadowed, I haven’t even realized this new release up until this video Edit: why the fuck did they have to push NFTs and the Metaverse with this release? 🤦♂️
@@twirdman2 NFTs as the cringy png memes that the Internet loves to mock (with good reason), yes. However, the underlying technology of NFTs won't die as it has actual use in fields such as document authentication.
When you scan the QR code it takes you to a video, after you watch, Bvlgari calls your phone telling you you only have 7 days to live. SEEEEVEN DAAAAYS
Absolutely love the quality of content, presentation. You are my go to guy for any luxury watch purchase i make here in India. Here is to hoping you channel grows a lot bigger.
It is a manual. I once had a very thin Tissot dress watch with integrated strap. A lady who was replacing a battery lent hard on it and bent it before my eyes, then denied she had done it. I can imagine that the cost of getting this watch serviced would exceed what I am willing to pay for a watch.
As an owner of two octos, how about they spend some of that R&D on making their bracelets more wearable with a micro-adjust. I shouldn't have to remove a link (pin and collar system) every time my wrist swells or shrinks to get a comfortable fit.
There's a good reason why watchmakers don't do horizontal crowns, and it has to do with lodging dirt and debris into the case. Bulgari did it for the sake of thinness, and that alone.
@@iamthelaw69 you're right, i didn't thought about that. The wheel basically pushes dirt and grime into the system all the time. But watchmakers wouldn't be watchmakers if they couldn't come up with an elegant solution that prevents this, don't you think?
@@dr.doppeldecker3832 Its a gear in the same way a tire valve stem cap is round turning and with teeth. You'll notice the "gear" does engage any other gears... it just turns.
This is more of a concept watch that demonstrates Bulgaria’s engineering and craftsmanship. However, its Octo Finissimo line can become a true icon, worthy of its other Genta cousins.
It is a part of the Octo Finissimo line. It's called Octo Finissimo Ultra. It's probably called "Octo" because Bulgaria was planning on making 8 watches with the same goal, and this is the final watch
I'm barely seeing more than a mention of the Cartier that uses the entire movement as the rotor, I feel like that needs way more love than it's getting!
@@nickpurdy The Cartier Masse Mystérieuse. Clrear dial and back, movement is a half circle inside, and the entire movement swings around as the rotor. I don't understand how the hands or crown work, but it's something I've never seen before.
@@nickpurdy I knw, right? But everybody is like "Here's something Cartier made. Anyways, have you SEEN the new Rolex? It has the crown and date on the LEFT!" I need much more on the Cartier Masse Mystérieuse.
Fabrizio Bonamassa Stigliani (octo designer) mentioned on an Italian channel that they had to come out with the idea of the qr code because the barrel is a huge part of the dial, so they had a big "empty" space to fill. Also, it's not Bulgàri, it's Bùlgari, with accent on the first vowel like "bùrgundy".
A truly remarkable engineering achievement and a credit to the Bvlgari name. Combined with the brand's knockout, highly angular styling and we have a real winner here.
What i would give to be a fly on the wall of the Piaget board meeting after they discovered that they couldn't beat this watch. i do hope someone went on a Malcom Tucker esk rant.
I like the octo series but I must say they could have done something way cooler than put a QR code on it. It makes it look stupid. The altiplano looks way better imo.
Love: Using a separate hour and minute face to achieve slimness Love: It is still compact in the x and y direction Hate: The QR code duh but not for the whole NFT thing but for the fact that it is part of the originality you have to destroy the watch if you want something else there. Hate: The massive blank face on that gear. They had to put something there so the QR code makes a bit of sense since you need something there.
One thing that does worry me is the winding and time setting gears appear to be easy ways for skin flakes/dirt/grime to easily enter into the watch internals. Guess I will have to keep my 440K...
I thought the same thing, except the bit that touches your skin is not what moves the internals. You’ll notice on the back that the gear teeth you touch never interact with the inside the of the case.
Wrong thinking, the wheels you touch will remain always outside of the watch. So, what you are seeing at 9:06 is in fact the view of back of the watch and not inside of the watch.
Well done. I completely agree with your conclusion, that this is wonderful competition between Bulgari and Piaget, pushing the watch world to new technological heights (thins?).
My thoughts were how on earth do they get enough torque out of that ultra narrow mainspring to power the thing, I mean it has to be as narrow as a hairspring on a regular mechanical. Maybe it's a thicker, springier gauge metal with fewer turns? Who knows...
At this size even the temperature change from your wrist on the back of the watch could warp it if it was a regular stainless steel, and crack the face. I'm guessing it's some titanium superalloy able to dissipate heat at a very high rate. What an incredible achievement.
Yeah, that is absolute horseshit. If we calculate with a deltaT of 17 (37C skin temp. and 20C ambient) the thermal expansion would be under a micron. Based on your idea how thermal expansion works, cars should be a warpy mess once parked in the sun.
I thought when you scanned the QR code we were gonna get that Rick bloody Astley, Never Gonna Give You Up video lmao, you missed your chance...this time ⌚️🤬🤗🤗
Commercially pure titanium is very flexy. Alloying it with 6%Al 3%V (otherwise known as surgical steel) makes it very stiff with high surface hardness. Likely what they used.
So they had to put wheel on one side to wind it and another to set it. I like the solution of the Octo Finissimo Tourbillon Automatic better, as they used a column wheel switcher to achieve the same thing.
"It's the thickness of a good credit card, not your cheapo...." And here I am and didn't even know there were different thicknesses of credit cards....
I feel that Piaget still have this record because, as far as I’m concerned, separating the hours from the minutes is just cheating. Like when chefs serve ‘deconstructed’ desserts. I want mine very much constructed, thank you. A nicely constructed dessert is part of the dining experience. Piaget could have done this if they’d wanted to, but they knew it would degrade user experience, so it was out of the question for them. Enter Bvlgari who have no such qualms about destroying usability in order to achieve a hollow victory from a technical standpoint. Plus, Piaget have at least put some thought into how to stop it bending if you set the strap slightly too tight. Another great video, though. Thank you, as always.
@@twirdman2 That's a rather strange view. Bvlgari managed to reengineer their existing movement family in such a way so that it is thinner than the Piaget while still being able to tell the time. Your hypothetical leg-less man won't be able to walk again, but you can still tell the time easily with this new Bvlgari.
As the other commenter said, there's no "cheating" involved. The Bvlgari is still a functional watch (and a pretty one at that) that beats out the Piaget by .2mm. A technical victory is much more important from both a horological and brand perspective. All other factors here went out the window, as they rightly should. To your other point, deconstructed desserts also taste just as good as their "regular" counterparts, with some extra flair added.
Imagine a cross over with Jerry Rigs Everything - Scratches every surface to show everything is made of the material the manufacturers claim - He'll get to use his picks greater than a level 7 - And he'll have fun trying to bend watches.
I love the idea of super thin watches, except the bridges are so thin that unless the mainspring arbor bearing is jeweled, the bridge wears out quickly.
I'm pretty sure the backplate (which doubles as the caseback and entire internal base of the watch) is made of tungsten carbide just to prevent bending, all other parts are titanium.
Interesting exhibit of engineering ingenuity, but I'm afraid this is honestly almost completely impractical. This is the watch that is made to be displayed in a box, not to be worn. And definitely not to tell time. Separate dials for hours and minutes? Yeah...no. Why I think Altiplano was more impressive is because they've decided to obscure all the evidence of compromises being made for the sake of size, and created a watch that is both unbelievably thin but you could never tell looking at it's face.
I would still say that the Altiplano Ultimate Concept is just the same, except only to a lesser degree-the dial doesn’t occupy the entire face of the watch, and you can obviously see the design “compromises” (in quotes because that’s subjective) in that parts of the mechanisms are exposed to the user. It’s all relative. Watches don’t need to be practical. We have smartphones and other GPS devices that constantly sync their time with a giant atomic clock. This is really just an exercise in pushing the limits of horology for the sake of demonstrating excellence in engineering, design, and innovation. Did you see Moser’s all-Vantablack watch? You can’t even wear that one because you’re not supposed to touch the bare Vantablack material. If you wanted something purely practical, you’d get yourself an Apple Watch or Fitbit.
Very possibly they are machine assembled. The parts are huge compared to micro circuit board assembly. If you have ever seen the automated assembly robots by Panasonic in person, it is mind-blowing. Look up ultra high speed pick and place machine.
Holy Mary, mother of god, that is some amazing engineering. Seriously. I would never wear one, or be within touching distance of affording one, but my god…this is quite something. I’ll take my chubby Seamasters and Subs - but it doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate this precision. Bravo. No, seriously. Bravo Bvlgari.
It wouldn't be pure titanium surely. We know that when it comes to extreme tolerance almost everything affects a surface in a measurable way. So maybe it won't permanently deform but I'd be interested to know how wearing it affects time keeping, or flashing it towards a light source. Maybe it's built slightly curved so that wearing it (warmth) on one side actually improves timekeeping.
Why is there a qr code? In 30 years some guy who will buy the watch will get asked what is that, he'll say, it's an antique, who knows what they were trying to do back in the 20s.
I tried to scan the QR code on a photo of the watch....I thought, maybe it would hold the secret of life..... but absolutely nothing, not even a menu for the Hard Rock Cafe!
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"He's currently warming himself up under an infrared lamp." Ahahhaaahaa... genius!
The QR code on the dial looks horrendous imho....
When you scan the QR code, you will get the standard time online
Why would you put it there, why?
yeah that is killing the look. 🤦♂️
Welp, good thing you won't ever have the money to buy it. Even if you did like it. 🤷🏻♂️
@@sufferedlearnedchanged actin like you can afford it 🦔🦔
Really cool watch, love the ingenuity. The QR code is so ugly I can only assume it was intentional sabotage by an executive who disapproved of the project.
Man, you're not kidding about the QR code. That thing is a hate crime against horology to an otherwise amazing piece of work (practicality notwithstanding).
I completely agree with your statement on the QR code design. A watch costing nearly half a million is spoilt by such a gastly, cheaply looking add on design which adds nothing to it's overall appearance. What on earth were they thinking!...A sacking should ensue!!
Well, it is our new religion forced upon us by the bankers and the world economic forum, so… here we are.
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i cant even get it to link to anything
This whole series from Bvlgari, along with the Altiplano series are quite hard to wrap my head around. This is incredible workmanship.
Tom is getting very good/funny in his side-kick, Ed McMahon role. This watch is an amazing achievement…although I would be scared to death to actually wear it.
Amazing what Bulgari is doing in the last years. All true masterpieces in all terms of art, engineering and thinking. Hope they get in the place they deserve to be. Must feel great working as a watchmaker / engineer for this company where you are constantly challenged to do something extraordinary.
Absolutely INSANE WATCH! I feel like I can't even wrap my head around this watch! If you see if next to a coin..... IT IS THINNER THAN THE COIN! Blimey!
nope you cant wrap your head around this watch but you can put in inside your head and be transported to the metaverse
get well
@@timeisahumanconstruct9251 give him some of your meds
Maybe Bvlgari can partner with Swatch and come up with a thin plastic version I can afford 😀big props on the engineering
It would be tough, a battery is more than 1.8mm thick
@@duckrutt a thin version of sistem51 maybe
Check out the Swatch Skin model.
The watch is amazing but for $440k Bulgari should have eliminated the QR code. It’s “TACKY” looking for such a beautiful time piece. Keep up the great work.
bulgari and piaget side by side, the altiplano arguably looks more refined and well thought of than octo finissimos almost mudane and concept-like design. Clearly piaget wont sacrifice elegance over having the title of thinnest watch
I think Bulgari have done a great job to get their name out there as the world's thinnest watch but I think most will agree that Piaget is a better looking watch.
@@chriszivoder2650 yes!
I agree. I mean the fact they split minutes and seconds gives the octo finissimo a really weird aesthic. The crowns don't feel like they are properly part of the watch unlike Piaget which seem to perfectly fit. It feels like trying to get into the record books for worlds shortest man by cutting off your legs. Sure you are shorter but it doesn't feel right or fair.
Also the QR code is just in my opinion stupid and tacky. In a hundred+ years people will look back and still see the Piaget as a symbol of elegance and sophistication. The Bulgari will look like a stupid fad that dumb people in the early 21st century enjoyed. It would be like seeing a luxury watch using a pog as it's face. Or maybe a luxury watch with an included beanie baby.
@@twirdman2
I strongly disagree with that notion of "timelessness". Watches, like most other industrially-produced goods, firmly cement themselves in the time and place they were made. You should be able to look at, say, a Chaika 3050 and instantly know its a product of the 1970s. "Timelessness" ultimately cheapens a timepiece, robbing it of the cultural and social contexts under which it was made.
Personally, I prefer the aesthetic of the Bvlgari better. Hard, angular everything and highly geometric forms have always been my thing. It's also a fantastic technical achievement with several novel concepts on display at once.
"He's currently warming himself up under an infrared lamp" 🤣
Crazy - that side on view really does it justice to show just how amazing this is.
That QR code gives the buyer £100 off another £500,000 watch.
Just got to say it looks incredible, how they have managed to do it is mind blowing, I don’t want one but I would like to see one 🤙🏻
Just a quick thanks to everything you guys do, after a long day at work, your show is a pleasure 🙌🤙🏻
The QR code is 🧀.
Makes you think about this scene from Pulp Fiction:
ruclips.net/video/YFtHjV4c4uw/видео.html
With the thinness of this Octo Finissimo his father wouldn't even notice it was there...
I just got the calipers out and measured what I thought was a good credit card to 0.8mm. Now I'm sad about the lack of goodness of my credit card.
Get your credit limit raised and it should get thicker
@@watchfinder hahaha...
You will probably need the JP Morgan Palladium card. Must have £30M in the bank though 👻
Amazing engineering to get a mechanical watch this thin. Hard to wrap my head around just how thin the parts of the movement have to be. Imagine being the employee assembling it. One sneeze and the parts would be scattered far and wide! Kudos to the design team on this achievement. My only gripe is the QR code on the front as I find it a bit disruptive to the overall design (plus, in 20-30 years, will future collectors be asking what all those lines mean). Since I'll never have the 440,000 Pounds of disposable income to consider if I should buy it, it's a non-issue. Even though it's a millimeter thicker, I like the overall Piaget design of their ultrathin watch.
Very possibly they are machine assembled. The parts are huge compared to micro circuit board assembly. If you have ever seen the automated assembly robots by Panasonic in person, it is mind-blowing. Look up ultra high speed pick and place machine.
in 20 - 30 years, the qr code will serve as a snapshot of vintage technology
@@ohsweetmysterywell mechanical watches are more about the input from a human hand, even if a machine could do it better
I really enjoyed this chat! It was bloody excellent. Totally agree about the QR code. I just feel like it's not too much of a leap from mechanical watch to digital asset.
Can they swap the QR for anything else? A link to weight watchers, maybe?
This watch would have infinitely more appeal if they let the buyer pick the QR link
Now you have a REAL non-fingible-token...it's literally engraved into the watch
Question: in a normal watch, the mechanism is wound when the crown is in position zero, while the time can be changed by pulling out the crown in position 1; but in this new concept, what saves the owner from accidentally changing the time, perhaps accidentally touching the wheel when the watch is on the wrist? thanks!
The fact that it costs £440,000 and the owner will never wear it.
My understanding is that the “crown” is _always_ in “position one”, and there must be an intentional lack of a hacking seconds mechanism (which would be an additional design constraint, anyway). I also guess the rationale is that if you’re one to accidentally touch the wheel when the watch is on the wrist, you’d also probably accidentally bend the case when the watch is on the wrist, too. In other words, you “baby” it.
It's surely worse than that.
The crowns seem like direct paths into the mechanism for any dirt, crud, dust etc. Although the lads did casually mention 10 m water resistance, so perhaps there's at least some minimal dust seal, somehow.
@@daddymuggle no, no direct path. At least not more or less than any other wristwatch that doesn’t have a screwed crown.
The Piaget looks more refined and elegant than the Bulgari. The Bulgari looks more functional since it has a running seconds. I consider the Piaget at 2.0mm is too thin for me that I would not consider buying it even if I could afford to. I would dread wearing it for fear of breaking the watch. What more the Bulgari at 1.8mm. Between the two watches, I would go for the Piaget.
the competition has gone from pushing limits of mechanical skill to ridiculously silly
@@Junwei6929 It's still pushing the limits of mechanical skill and I'm all here for it.
@@jakekaywell5972 they should do thickest watch next
The Octo design elephant in the room is that the crown gears are also the crown grip - any skin oils/sweat/dirt are picked up by the crown are conveyed directly into the mechanism/gear-train.
I highly doubt any of these will see dirt. Even if they did, I’m sure that taking care not to wind dirt into it and a no doubt ridiculous service interval will mean any wear issues are unimportant.
The keyless works are not as sensitive to grit and debris as the escapement or drive train.
Still it’s hardly ideal. But for something like this who cares? This watch is more of an exhibition than anything practical. It’s about testing the limits of technology and watchmaking.
It’s width is a much bigger flaw than it’s crown. No matter how much effort has gone into its structure I guarantee it’s more prone to damage and failure than a watch of even a conventionally “thin” width.
If these were worn as a regular timepiece I’d bet more were victim to being caught in a door or falling down wet stairs, or getting wet, than were lost to an accumulation of dirt in the keyless works.
oh no
Wrong thinking, the wheels you touch will remain always outside of the watch. So, what you are seeing at 9:06 is in fact the view of back of the watch and not inside of the watch.
Oh my, this really got overshadowed, I haven’t even realized this new release up until this video
Edit: why the fuck did they have to push NFTs and the Metaverse with this release? 🤦♂️
Damn, that's a real shame.
NFTs are going to age as well as pogs or beanie babies and in a few years this is going to look even stupider than it already does.
@@twirdman2 NFTs as the cringy png memes that the Internet loves to mock (with good reason), yes. However, the underlying technology of NFTs won't die as it has actual use in fields such as document authentication.
I would gladly give up my Blockbuster card for one of these incredible watches.
When you said pringle, I spat some of my pringle out of my mouth while laughing hahaha! Bravo!
"...I think he's warming himself up under an infrared lamp."
Underrated joke.
Honestly, this is my Grail Watch. I never expected to say that about a Bvlgari piece.
Absolutely stunning, but at that price I’d want the option of no QR code or at the very least that it could redirect to a custom url.
What the hell is that QR code doing on the dial? ruins everything...
Right?! WTF?!
When you scan the QR code it takes you to a video, after you watch, Bvlgari calls your phone telling you you only have 7 days to live.
SEEEEVEN DAAAAYS
Baseplate is tungsten carbide (tungsten steel), between two titanium plates like a cage with screws.
Absolutely love the quality of content, presentation. You are my go to guy for any luxury watch purchase i make here in India. Here is to hoping you channel grows a lot bigger.
It is a manual. I once had a very thin Tissot dress watch with integrated strap. A lady who was replacing a battery lent hard on it and bent it before my eyes, then denied she had done it. I can imagine that the cost of getting this watch serviced would exceed what I am willing to pay for a watch.
As an owner of two octos, how about they spend some of that R&D on making their bracelets more wearable with a micro-adjust. I shouldn't have to remove a link (pin and collar system) every time my wrist swells or shrinks to get a comfortable fit.
Have you seen the clasp mechanism on the new Atelier Wen Perception? Very clever!
Let's see Paul Allans card.
Expertise and banter expertly blended. Well done gents.
I really like the horizontal crown! Other watches should implement this concept:)
There's a good reason why watchmakers don't do horizontal crowns, and it has to do with lodging dirt and debris into the case. Bulgari did it for the sake of thinness, and that alone.
@@iamthelaw69 you're right, i didn't thought about that. The wheel basically pushes dirt and grime into the system all the time. But watchmakers wouldn't be watchmakers if they couldn't come up with an elegant solution that prevents this, don't you think?
@@dr.doppeldecker3832 LOL that wheel can push dirt into the system... its not a gear its a knob that turns.
@@mikeicee 09:10 you tell me that is not a gear? It's round, it's turning, it has teeth. It's definitely a gear;)
@@dr.doppeldecker3832 Its a gear in the same way a tire valve stem cap is round turning and with teeth. You'll notice the "gear" does engage any other gears... it just turns.
This is more of a concept watch that demonstrates Bulgaria’s engineering and craftsmanship. However, its Octo Finissimo line can become a true icon, worthy of its other Genta cousins.
It is a part of the Octo Finissimo line. It's called Octo Finissimo Ultra. It's probably called "Octo" because Bulgaria was planning on making 8 watches with the same goal, and this is the final watch
I'm barely seeing more than a mention of the Cartier that uses the entire movement as the rotor, I feel like that needs way more love than it's getting!
Which Cartier is that??
@@nickpurdy The Cartier Masse Mystérieuse. Clrear dial and back, movement is a half circle inside, and the entire movement swings around as the rotor. I don't understand how the hands or crown work, but it's something I've never seen before.
@@thehrethgir679 omg that thing is absolutely wild
@@nickpurdy I knw, right? But everybody is like "Here's something Cartier made. Anyways, have you SEEN the new Rolex? It has the crown and date on the LEFT!" I need much more on the Cartier Masse Mystérieuse.
Fabrizio Bonamassa Stigliani (octo designer) mentioned on an Italian channel that they had to come out with the idea of the qr code because the barrel is a huge part of the dial, so they had a big "empty" space to fill. Also, it's not Bulgàri, it's Bùlgari, with accent on the first vowel like "bùrgundy".
A truly remarkable engineering achievement and a credit to the Bvlgari name. Combined with the brand's knockout, highly angular styling and we have a real winner here.
Even the "basic" Octo Finissimo is amazing and way more interesting than a lot of watches in the same price range!
Don’t think I’ll be queuing for this watch!😂
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“Cheap plastic Omega.”
Right on, Mate!
Funny to see the barrel has a QR code printed on it that send you to the website for the watch presentation.
What i would give to be a fly on the wall of the Piaget board meeting after they discovered that they couldn't beat this watch. i do hope someone went on a Malcom Tucker esk rant.
I like the octo series but I must say they could have done something way cooler than put a QR code on it. It makes it look stupid. The altiplano looks way better imo.
I don't know if I like the looks of each watch on their own but altogether the Octo collection has a strong identity, I'll give them that!
Love: Using a separate hour and minute face to achieve slimness
Love: It is still compact in the x and y direction
Hate: The QR code duh but not for the whole NFT thing but for the fact that it is part of the originality you have to destroy the watch if you want something else there.
Hate: The massive blank face on that gear. They had to put something there so the QR code makes a bit of sense since you need something there.
Amazing looking watch. Italians are definitely the masters when it comes to dictating new styles, they are the gods of boldness.
currently warming himself up under an infra red lamp......brilliant and true
One thing that does worry me is the winding and time setting gears appear to be easy ways for skin flakes/dirt/grime to easily enter into the watch internals. Guess I will have to keep my 440K...
I thought the same thing, except the bit that touches your skin is not what moves the internals. You’ll notice on the back that the gear teeth you touch never interact with the inside the of the case.
Wrong thinking, the wheels you touch will remain always outside of the watch. So, what you are seeing at 9:06 is in fact the view of back of the watch and not inside of the watch.
Well done. I completely agree with your conclusion, that this is wonderful competition between Bulgari and Piaget, pushing the watch world to new technological heights (thins?).
Love your videos and humor. They make me chuckle like a chimp.
The infrared lamp joke just killed me 😂
I remember as a child of the 70s being amazed by the “Credit Card” sized digital calculator.
I feel like they really wanted to put SOMETHING on that mainspring cover thing, and they decided a QR code would be the least offensive "thing"
While I do like the visible mechanical action of a watch, if you look at the level of precision in which chips are made, that is on another level
My thoughts were how on earth do they get enough torque out of that ultra narrow mainspring to power the thing, I mean it has to be as narrow as a hairspring on a regular mechanical. Maybe it's a thicker, springier gauge metal with fewer turns? Who knows...
I can imagine a thin sheet of LCD panel that gets glued to your wrist. No band. It gets power from your body.
One of the purchasers is rumoured to be Mr. Creosote.
I agree with the split-dial problem, I just couldn't get on with it, and the QR code annoyed me as well, so I sent mine back for a refund.
the "Zuckerberg warming himself up under a heat lamp" remark made my day
At this size even the temperature change from your wrist on the back of the watch could warp it if it was a regular stainless steel, and crack the face. I'm guessing it's some titanium superalloy able to dissipate heat at a very high rate. What an incredible achievement.
Yeah, that is absolute horseshit.
If we calculate with a deltaT of 17 (37C skin temp. and 20C ambient) the thermal expansion would be under a micron. Based on your idea how thermal expansion works, cars should be a warpy mess once parked in the sun.
@@balazsecker8204 you sound like a knob, I guess I'll stick to gas turbines then....
I thought when you scanned the QR code we were gonna get that Rick bloody Astley, Never Gonna Give You Up video lmao, you missed your chance...this time ⌚️🤬🤗🤗
I’ve never wanted an octagon shaped watch. And I never wanted a timepiece above $10k but I want this. Very cool.
Love thin watches!
My favorite are the Vacheron Constantin Patrimony cal. 1003!
Best watch channel around by some margin.
Commercially pure titanium is very flexy. Alloying it with 6%Al 3%V (otherwise known as surgical steel) makes it very stiff with high surface hardness. Likely what they used.
Saw another video where the movement is built upon tungsten so basically the case back is tungsten.
I scanned the QR code mid video and you need to zoom until the end. The tune is also quite nice
Jean Lassale Caliber 1200 are quite thin too. The movement is 1.2 mm thick/thin.
So they had to put wheel on one side to wind it and another to set it. I like the solution of the Octo Finissimo Tourbillon Automatic better, as they used a column wheel switcher to achieve the same thing.
Did not hear any crackling on the microphone this week. Thanks for fixing it :)
"It's the thickness of a good credit card, not your cheapo...." And here I am and didn't even know there were different thicknesses of credit cards....
"Does it bend" is the question for JerryRigEverything, the iPhone Bendgate guy. He bends every piece of tech.
I feel that Piaget still have this record because, as far as I’m concerned, separating the hours from the minutes is just cheating. Like when chefs serve ‘deconstructed’ desserts. I want mine very much constructed, thank you. A nicely constructed dessert is part of the dining experience.
Piaget could have done this if they’d wanted to, but they knew it would degrade user experience, so it was out of the question for them. Enter Bvlgari who have no such qualms about destroying usability in order to achieve a hollow victory from a technical standpoint.
Plus, Piaget have at least put some thought into how to stop it bending if you set the strap slightly too tight.
Another great video, though. Thank you, as always.
This is exactly my view. It's like cutting off your legs to be the worlds shortest man. It isn't what anyone was thinking or wanted.
Why? It tells time, and it uses hands too. Definitely deserves the title.
@@twirdman2 That's a rather strange view. Bvlgari managed to reengineer their existing movement family in such a way so that it is thinner than the Piaget while still being able to tell the time. Your hypothetical leg-less man won't be able to walk again, but you can still tell the time easily with this new Bvlgari.
As the other commenter said, there's no "cheating" involved. The Bvlgari is still a functional watch (and a pretty one at that) that beats out the Piaget by .2mm. A technical victory is much more important from both a horological and brand perspective. All other factors here went out the window, as they rightly should. To your other point, deconstructed desserts also taste just as good as their "regular" counterparts, with some extra flair added.
Bulgari perfected the thin sports watch look with fine high horology movements and complications.
The NFT and metaverse is a reason not to buy this watch
That QR code and nft nonsense makes H. Moser's apple watch look elegant.
I like the qr code. It's neat to have a physical link to the online world on a watch.
Imagine a cross over with Jerry Rigs Everything
- Scratches every surface to show everything is made of the material the manufacturers claim
- He'll get to use his picks greater than a level 7
- And he'll have fun trying to bend watches.
I love the idea of super thin watches, except the bridges are so thin that unless the mainspring arbor bearing is jeweled, the bridge wears out quickly.
I'm pretty sure the backplate (which doubles as the caseback and entire internal base of the watch) is made of tungsten carbide just to prevent bending, all other parts are titanium.
Great opening. I burst into laughter.
You forgot to discuss the most important question. Does it fit under a cuff?
Interesting exhibit of engineering ingenuity, but I'm afraid this is honestly almost completely impractical. This is the watch that is made to be displayed in a box, not to be worn. And definitely not to tell time. Separate dials for hours and minutes? Yeah...no. Why I think Altiplano was more impressive is because they've decided to obscure all the evidence of compromises being made for the sake of size, and created a watch that is both unbelievably thin but you could never tell looking at it's face.
I would still say that the Altiplano Ultimate Concept is just the same, except only to a lesser degree-the dial doesn’t occupy the entire face of the watch, and you can obviously see the design “compromises” (in quotes because that’s subjective) in that parts of the mechanisms are exposed to the user. It’s all relative. Watches don’t need to be practical. We have smartphones and other GPS devices that constantly sync their time with a giant atomic clock. This is really just an exercise in pushing the limits of horology for the sake of demonstrating excellence in engineering, design, and innovation. Did you see Moser’s all-Vantablack watch? You can’t even wear that one because you’re not supposed to touch the bare Vantablack material. If you wanted something purely practical, you’d get yourself an Apple Watch or Fitbit.
The base-plate, according to Bvlgari, is made of tungsten carbide, not titanium. That material is seriously tough and bend-proof.
Why WHY is there a giant QR code on it???? That ruins the whole watch.
Made one of those when I was 12... on the train track beside my house.
I think it was a tad thinner too.
'Zucc is a lizard person' is the last reference I thought I'd hear in a fancy watch review
Very possibly they are machine assembled. The parts are huge compared to micro circuit board assembly. If you have ever seen the automated assembly robots by Panasonic in person, it is mind-blowing. Look up ultra high speed pick and place machine.
Holy Mary, mother of god, that is some amazing engineering. Seriously.
I would never wear one, or be within touching distance of affording one, but my god…this is quite something.
I’ll take my chubby Seamasters and Subs - but it doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate this precision.
Bravo. No, seriously. Bravo Bvlgari.
It wouldn't be pure titanium surely.
We know that when it comes to extreme tolerance almost everything affects a surface in a measurable way.
So maybe it won't permanently deform but I'd be interested to know how wearing it affects time keeping, or flashing it towards a light source.
Maybe it's built slightly curved so that wearing it (warmth) on one side actually improves timekeeping.
Gotta say, an amazing engineering feat.
- How well does it keep time? If that doesn't matter then might as well draw a clock face on a piece of paper and scotch tape it to my wrist.
Why is there a qr code? In 30 years some guy who will buy the watch will get asked what is that, he'll say, it's an antique, who knows what they were trying to do back in the 20s.
I love thin watches and thin women. But the thinnest? No - that is not my cup of tea.
Very cool thing. Scanned the QR and it took me to a website.
"What does the QR code do?"
Me: It better not be an NFT
"The unique QR code is connected to an NFT and the Metaverse"
I tried to scan the QR code on a photo of the watch....I thought, maybe it would hold the secret of life..... but absolutely nothing, not even a menu for the Hard Rock Cafe!
The Zuckerberg comment was gold
As soon thing as I saw the QR code I paused the video to scan it lol