This might be a controversial opinion, but I think I like it a lot better without the pe foam. It has more personality. This video must have taken a long time to make, so thank you for your hard work, Haurjie.
I agree. Don’t get me wrong, PE foam sounds great (and I have done it) and is probably appealing to beginners too, but once you notice that every sound test on youtube sounds similar it really drains the uniqueness out of the keyboard, and the keyboard scene as a whole
Dude this Mr suit may be the clacking board I've heard without pe foam and I love it lol that fr4 full for some reason I liked most though with it haha actually mabye the pom also I liked both alot let's just say thank God they made the board sound good either way lol
Thank you for this!! I am always so amazed with the quality of your videos. Your Mode80 video definitely helped me in choosing my keyboard plates. I am currently loving the pop of the POM + PE. Good thing I got an extra POM plate to try
Jesus the amount of time this must have taken!! The dedication is insane! I’m leaning towards FR4 now, sound so marbly . Hopefully R3 won’t be during my work hours!!
In order to do a proper plates comparison test, this needs to be done. And it sucks lol, rebuilding the same keyboard just to swap the plates 10x takes about 11 hours straight. And I do it because nobody is willing to 😆
This is why I didn't install PE foam on my suit. it makes the choice of plate and switch not really matter as everything sounds the same. Also, as much as I loved the marbly sound, I found that after a week or two it started getting more annoying. After testing with a POM, Alu, and FR4 plate, I ended sticking with the POM.
Thank you so much for this video. I personally like the fr4, fr4 halfplate and polycarbonate sound signatures. There is a clear difference now going from one plate to another. Very helpful for those deciding to build without the pe foam.
Really appreciate this video. Wanted to see what the Mr Suit sounded like without PE foam. Sounds like you can make it a touch clacky or go full PE. Thanks!
Appreciate you as always for doing this video! I really enjoy the FR4 Plate & PC Plate with no PE Foam but the POM Plate with PE Foam is just something else. I have the freebird tkl ordered but now I want to get the POM Plate because that just is chef's kiss. Waiting for the mr suit r3 T_T
@@hardlinenexus would love for you to get the Freebird tkl with all plates. I feel like that would boost the sales even more. Mode 80, mr suit tkl. Everything you’ve done for the plate comparisons have made me want to get the keyboard haha. Especially silent alpacas but still don’t know what to put that on
Were the non PE foam sound tests in this video all foam except for PE foam or no foam in the board at all? just curious because it sounded really good and different without PE foam.
wow that half plate sounds amazing! would you say it makes the board sound deeper overall or does it sound more like the natural sound of the switches? Would i have wobble issues with the half plate if i have hotswap (no pe foam)??
If you have the bottom poron later installed it's more stiff and less flex, which means you'll have less wobble. But tbh, the wobble is not a big deal nor does it bother me personally. You only see the wobble if you intentionally force it like I did in the previous video. I only mentioned wobble for half plate because some people are anal about it lol
Random question but you notice any sound or feel difference in the alphas when running the half plate build with the pcb foam? I was considering trimming the pcb foam to match the pom half plate I'm getting but I wasn't sure if there would be a difference or if it would just be a waste of time.
Very good video as always! Tbh I think it's nice having the board always sounding similar with the PE foam especially if that is the sound you like anyway. There are too many factors that contributes to sound in a keyboard and takes you into this endless rabbit hole of trying to find that perfect sound and feel combination. This way users can just focus on what switch feel they like more because the keyboard already took care of the sound.
Yup, there is in fact too many variables that affect sound. Both on the recording end and the listening end. Different devices etc... The only thing we can do is make it as accurate as possible with a consistent setup. And it's also not good to compare one creator's setup to another, because our gear, settings and environment are also different. And thank you for the compliment!
Good way of looking at it tbh. Nobody really ever explains it like this. Bow I di love some clacky boards without pe foam. Sometimes imperfections in sound inst a bad thing as it makes it unique and have a bit more character but I do agree. It's nice just knowing the board is going to sound good regardless. Plus imo the Mr suit in person does sound a bit different then others In a good way a bit more lively with a bit more of the switch sound retained which is awesome lol.
Great, great video. I chose POM myself. What's your favorite foam configuration? What do you think about the sound without any foams at all? Or with only plate or only case foam?
Thank you again! Have to admit that when that PE foam is in it does sound pretty damn nice haha. Still a nice sounding board without but nothing to write home about. PE really makes this board! What I'd be really interested to hear (though might be a big ask) is what the Stupid Fish foam sounds like in this board. Think it'll thicken out the sound when the PE is taken out as currently it sounds a little limp. With the PE installed, who knows?! Might sound the same as the other PE setups lol, but imagine if it deepens that marble sound.. could be something very special.
I do have thoughts on the stupidfish spacebar foam. I have a few keyboards I plan on showcasing and testing them on. That will be down the line, maybe late December content. But just a quick comment on my end regarding that, I can tell you the foam to my ears at least doesn't make that much of an impact sound wise. At least the boards I tried it on. There is a measurable difference, but hard to tell still. I will be making a video on that later :)
Thank you for this video! I was actually deciding whether to pick up another plate for an upcoming board that comes with stock PC. POM and PC sounds very similar with PE so I think I will save a couple bucks and just stick with stock PC.
Idk I feel like you can definitely still hear the difference between the plates when they all have PE foam. Any metal plate without PE foam just sounds too harsh to me now. For me, this board sounds best with the POM/PC plates with PE foam for that ultimate deep, marbly sound signature
Heads up for the fr4 half plate no foam builders. Row 2 and 3 have too much flex and literally bounce up and down while typing. I would suggest cast foam to dampen the bounce in those areas
So the case and plate foam alone is amazing without the pe foam lol BTW pe foam by itself proves this boards magic isn't only the pe foam because it's main signature is kuch differnt with all the foam. Using only pe foam as Andy showed allowed for every switch he uses to sound different. Now using all the goal combined it won't. It's just like the vega even without that board using pe foam which it doesn't anyways everything sounds similiar on it. Yet people love it and never say anything since pe foam isn't in the description. This board without any foam besides the pe foam and spacebar foam imo sounds great retains the switch sound and really just adds a bit of pop not to kuch marble since they are using such a thin thin sheet of pe foam lol but I have to say hot damn does this board sound good without pe foam also issue is most aren't using it with only case and plate foam they don't realize how good it sounds haha but take all the foam out and test and you see the sound profile is gone use only pe foam guess what it sounds really good but still retains ita switch sound use only Case and plate foam snd it has a great switch sound use all foams and it has the jelly and mr suit profile sure all baorsa with pw foam have a pe signature but absolute 0 other boards I've used with pe foam sound identical to my mr suit the mr suit has its own profile it has An amazing sound and it will be proven overtime when others try doing the same thing. But people need to stop harping on it just to be part of the haters crowd if you don't like it cool but we need it to be an option now that people have heard it some really like and always want it options are great I think companies should make a good baors with or without foam add the options for all foam and pe foam mire options is always better less options isn't as good imo regardless if you want them or not lol
It’s a 6min vid that could have easily taken 6hrs to create not including editing. Thank you. From what I gathered with my slow, dull, and obtuse ear was that non PE sounded similar against each other and the same is said for PE. Half PE sounded uniquely…bad. lol Due to the harshness of the non PE sound I would have to favor the PE so long as the sound intent was deep or silent. Note, as a avid watcher of content I always want to hear what the content creator has to say. Objectively state the differences if any, then give your biased opinion. “I like big butts” oh wrong topic. lol
Thanks for taking the time to comment! And yea the process is long, to rebuild the keyboard 10x (5 plates) took about 10 hours total. In regards to commenting my thoughts on it, I initially didn't have plans to do this specific video/tests plus other content deadlines, I just had to put this together as quickly as possible. But I guess the biggest reason why was I felt that the sound tests alone was sufficient to allow people to make up their own minds as what they wanted. Ideally, I can't disagree that adding my own perspective thoughts on the matter is better haha. Just limited on time at the moment.
This might be a controversial opinion, but I think I like it a lot better without the pe foam. It has more personality. This video must have taken a long time to make, so thank you for your hard work, Haurjie.
I can't disagree with you on that. Yeah, PE foam although sounds wonderful, but it makes everything too same 😆.
I agree. Don’t get me wrong, PE foam sounds great (and I have done it) and is probably appealing to beginners too, but once you notice that every sound test on youtube sounds similar it really drains the uniqueness out of the keyboard, and the keyboard scene as a whole
Dude this Mr suit may be the clacking board I've heard without pe foam and I love it lol that fr4 full for some reason I liked most though with it haha actually mabye the pom also I liked both alot let's just say thank God they made the board sound good either way lol
Thank you for this!! I am always so amazed with the quality of your videos. Your Mode80 video definitely helped me in choosing my keyboard plates. I am currently loving the pop of the POM + PE. Good thing I got an extra POM plate to try
Not all heroes wear capes, some only wear suits. Thanks for this vid.
The alu configuration without pe foam was my favorite by far. The fr4 configuration was pretty good too.
Jesus the amount of time this must have taken!! The dedication is insane!
I’m leaning towards FR4 now, sound so marbly . Hopefully R3 won’t be during my work hours!!
In order to do a proper plates comparison test, this needs to be done. And it sucks lol, rebuilding the same keyboard just to swap the plates 10x takes about 11 hours straight. And I do it because nobody is willing to 😆
3:10 damn bruhh, that sounds perfect
Damn, the amount of work that must have been required to go and make this video... thank you for doing all this.
I think it's going to be standardized for me personally to do plates comparison tests like this for every keyboard I cover.
This is why I didn't install PE foam on my suit. it makes the choice of plate and switch not really matter as everything sounds the same. Also, as much as I loved the marbly sound, I found that after a week or two it started getting more annoying. After testing with a POM, Alu, and FR4 plate, I ended sticking with the POM.
This is also good feedback for the community! Thank you!
What switches and config did you end up liking?
@@marty4486 Currently I stuck with aluminum + PE foam in my build. Most likely change it in the future haha
@@marty4486Im currently using macha lattes with pom plate. case and plate foam. No PE foam.
I also enjoyed macha lattes with PE Foam as its one of the more muted switches, but without PE it sounds very good.
Thank you so much for this video. I personally like the fr4, fr4 halfplate and polycarbonate sound signatures. There is a clear difference now going from one plate to another. Very helpful for those deciding to build without the pe foam.
You're welcome! Thank you for leaving a comment ☺️
Really appreciate this video. Wanted to see what the Mr Suit sounded like without PE foam. Sounds like you can make it a touch clacky or go full PE. Thanks!
Appreciate you as always for doing this video! I really enjoy the FR4 Plate & PC Plate with no PE Foam but the POM Plate with PE Foam is just something else. I have the freebird tkl ordered but now I want to get the POM Plate because that just is chef's kiss. Waiting for the mr suit r3 T_T
People have been requesting me to do a freebird tkl review. I'm totally down for that, except i haven't been contacted by the makers to do one haha.
@@hardlinenexus would love for you to get the Freebird tkl with all plates. I feel like that would boost the sales even more. Mode 80, mr suit tkl. Everything you’ve done for the plate comparisons have made me want to get the keyboard haha. Especially silent alpacas but still don’t know what to put that on
crazy work and regardless of pe, it sounds crazy poppy damm
Awesome follow up to previous test video!
Were the non PE foam sound tests in this video all foam except for PE foam or no foam in the board at all? just curious because it sounded really good and different without PE foam.
wow that half plate sounds amazing! would you say it makes the board sound deeper overall or does it sound more like the natural sound of the switches? Would i have wobble issues with the half plate if i have hotswap (no pe foam)??
If you have the bottom poron later installed it's more stiff and less flex, which means you'll have less wobble. But tbh, the wobble is not a big deal nor does it bother me personally. You only see the wobble if you intentionally force it like I did in the previous video. I only mentioned wobble for half plate because some people are anal about it lol
Loving the FR4 without PE foam!
Random question but you notice any sound or feel difference in the alphas when running the half plate build with the pcb foam? I was considering trimming the pcb foam to match the pom half plate I'm getting but I wasn't sure if there would be a difference or if it would just be a waste of time.
Dude you are the goat I think you will be one of the best out here.
I appreciate youuuuuuu
Very good video as always! Tbh I think it's nice having the board always sounding similar with the PE foam especially if that is the sound you like anyway. There are too many factors that contributes to sound in a keyboard and takes you into this endless rabbit hole of trying to find that perfect sound and feel combination. This way users can just focus on what switch feel they like more because the keyboard already took care of the sound.
Yup, there is in fact too many variables that affect sound. Both on the recording end and the listening end. Different devices etc... The only thing we can do is make it as accurate as possible with a consistent setup. And it's also not good to compare one creator's setup to another, because our gear, settings and environment are also different. And thank you for the compliment!
Good way of looking at it tbh. Nobody really ever explains it like this. Bow I di love some clacky boards without pe foam. Sometimes imperfections in sound inst a bad thing as it makes it unique and have a bit more character but I do agree. It's nice just knowing the board is going to sound good regardless. Plus imo the Mr suit in person does sound a bit different then others In a good way a bit more lively with a bit more of the switch sound retained which is awesome lol.
I love the clack in this board!
Great video. Nice work!
Just wanted to comment to say thank you for doing God's work. You are the hero we don't deserve
They all sound do good with pe foam
The half plate kinda sounds dank! Prob the best sounding one since its the most unique sounding. Although all of the plates sound great.
Great, great video. I chose POM myself. What's your favorite foam configuration? What do you think about the sound without any foams at all? Or with only plate or only case foam?
I prefer fully loaded. Anything less is too loud and obnoxious for me lol. I always prefer my keyboards on the more muted and silent side haha
Thank you again! Have to admit that when that PE foam is in it does sound pretty damn nice haha. Still a nice sounding board without but nothing to write home about. PE really makes this board! What I'd be really interested to hear (though might be a big ask) is what the Stupid Fish foam sounds like in this board. Think it'll thicken out the sound when the PE is taken out as currently it sounds a little limp. With the PE installed, who knows?! Might sound the same as the other PE setups lol, but imagine if it deepens that marble sound.. could be something very special.
I do have thoughts on the stupidfish spacebar foam. I have a few keyboards I plan on showcasing and testing them on. That will be down the line, maybe late December content. But just a quick comment on my end regarding that, I can tell you the foam to my ears at least doesn't make that much of an impact sound wise. At least the boards I tried it on. There is a measurable difference, but hard to tell still. I will be making a video on that later :)
Thank you for this video! I was actually deciding whether to pick up another plate for an upcoming board that comes with stock PC. POM and PC sounds very similar with PE so I think I will save a couple bucks and just stick with stock PC.
any idea if the configuration without pe foam on pom plate would be more quiet or would it be just as loud as with pe foam?
Idk I feel like you can definitely still hear the difference between the plates when they all have PE foam. Any metal plate without PE foam just sounds too harsh to me now. For me, this board sounds best with the POM/PC plates with PE foam for that ultimate deep, marbly sound signature
yo this board sounds really good without pe
Wow POM sounds so much brighter..brighter?
ayo where did you get this half plate from?!
I bought this keyboard with an extra soldered PCB, then I just saw that I can't do split right shift on it.
Thanks, this must have took forever.
Sure did hahah
should've done a no foam sound test
Heads up for the fr4 half plate no foam builders. Row 2 and 3 have too much flex and literally bounce up and down while typing. I would suggest cast foam to dampen the bounce in those areas
What is the name of the keycaps?
How about feel? Is it really all about sound?
What about feel specifically? "Feel" is too general.
@@hardlinenexus How does it feel when you press the keys. How much resistance does it have and how does that change with travel?
@@philipp594 tbh my keyboards all feel the same to me. I tend to build on the stiffer side
I think i like the pc plate the most
it really sounds to me like PE foam makes them all sound the same lol. So my takeaway is that anyone who uses PE foam will get the same PE foam sound.
What Switches did you use?
Been a while since this video, but they were Owlab Tungsten switches lubed
@@hardlinenexus thank you very much 😊
Are these brown switches?
No these are OwLab tungsten linear switches as mentioned in the test setup screen
Without pe foam is so much better. It is much clackier and less creamy
pom+pe and pc+pe almost the same
god bless
So the case and plate foam alone is amazing without the pe foam lol BTW pe foam by itself proves this boards magic isn't only the pe foam because it's main signature is kuch differnt with all the foam. Using only pe foam as Andy showed allowed for every switch he uses to sound different. Now using all the goal combined it won't. It's just like the vega even without that board using pe foam which it doesn't anyways everything sounds similiar on it. Yet people love it and never say anything since pe foam isn't in the description. This board without any foam besides the pe foam and spacebar foam imo sounds great retains the switch sound and really just adds a bit of pop not to kuch marble since they are using such a thin thin sheet of pe foam lol but I have to say hot damn does this board sound good without pe foam also issue is most aren't using it with only case and plate foam they don't realize how good it sounds haha but take all the foam out and test and you see the sound profile is gone use only pe foam guess what it sounds really good but still retains ita switch sound use only Case and plate foam snd it has a great switch sound use all foams and it has the jelly and mr suit profile sure all baorsa with pw foam have a pe signature but absolute 0 other boards I've used with pe foam sound identical to my mr suit the mr suit has its own profile it has An amazing sound and it will be proven overtime when others try doing the same thing. But people need to stop harping on it just to be part of the haters crowd if you don't like it cool but we need it to be an option now that people have heard it some really like and always want it options are great I think companies should make a good baors with or without foam add the options for all foam and pe foam mire options is always better less options isn't as good imo regardless if you want them or not lol
F4R Half
It’s a 6min vid that could have easily taken 6hrs to create not including editing. Thank you. From what I gathered with my slow, dull, and obtuse ear was that non PE sounded similar against each other and the same is said for PE. Half PE sounded uniquely…bad. lol Due to the harshness of the non PE sound I would have to favor the PE so long as the sound intent was deep or silent. Note, as a avid watcher of content I always want to hear what the content creator has to say. Objectively state the differences if any, then give your biased opinion. “I like big butts” oh wrong topic. lol
Thanks for taking the time to comment! And yea the process is long, to rebuild the keyboard 10x (5 plates) took about 10 hours total. In regards to commenting my thoughts on it, I initially didn't have plans to do this specific video/tests plus other content deadlines, I just had to put this together as quickly as possible. But I guess the biggest reason why was I felt that the sound tests alone was sufficient to allow people to make up their own minds as what they wanted. Ideally, I can't disagree that adding my own perspective thoughts on the matter is better haha. Just limited on time at the moment.
I wouldn’t use the word bad in all of these plates. All of them sound good. The poly seems to be my least favorite
I can agree. But, since I’m not the content creator and simply a spectator I can be far more loose with my words.
Thank you for the insight and response! :D