Why Dirty Color is Essential in Oil Paintings - Artists' Advice
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In this video I explain why I believe it is best to start with dirty (more neutral, less saturated) color when painting in oil.
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Growing up in the 80's and early 90's, it was very common in computer-games with over-saturated, high-chroma colours - to make everything as shiny and blinky as possible. As Mark mentioned in another video, we naturally are more drawn to strong colours and find them more 'yummi' and appealing. Bad side is, everything tends to get a plastic-like look, which is not want you want if you paint realism. Getting better at dulling down colours now and letting go of the 80's/90's computer-graphics style. :)
Thank you Stian✨
If you’re painting on an antique piece of furniture do I start with the strong colour? As in grey into black?
@@thembelihlemasina3018 ,
I think most would agree that it's always best to go from dark to light, and big to small - adding those little 'shiny' highlights and details last. It's also a lot easier to fix a painting that looks too dark, than the other way around.
I am naturally drawn to more muted and natural colors. Very, very little in nature if over-saturated, high-chroma. I'll be 50 this year.
That’s why a limited palette is such a great way to learn color theory, you’ve really got no choice but to paint with dirty colors.
You can definitely make a bright painting out of limited palette, you actually do have a choice there. The true challenge is to make a dirty color without making it muddy
@@thevelvetdust What's the difference between a "dirty" and "muddy" color?
@@kingvahagn2011 Good question, I thought they were pretty much the same concept
@@kingvahagn2011 Well actually I guess “muddy” is more when your values get all mixed together (so you don’t have a range of dark to light values in your work because you picked at it too much) but “dirty” would be keeping your colors from being pure. So like instead of painting an apple with pure red paint, it’d be like mixing green in there, and some brown, and maybe a little bit of yellow to get this subtle less-cartoonic style
@@jamiewall5081 In my opinion dirty ( or muddy ) simply means mixes of lower chroma dropping into the greys, for example using two complimentary colours on the colour wheel; say red and green to give a ( muddy ) brown or blue and orange for a ( dirty ) green. A limited pallet just helps to recognise that most of the time colours we see around us are muted. That being said even a limited pallet gives room to allow for dramatic colour work that works precisely because it’s in context with muted colours.
I don't care how good you are, you never stop learning!!
Very important advice! Basically all classical painting is done with dirty colors, unlike impressionists of 19th century, who began working with pure bright colors. These two approaches to painting are entirely different.
We so lucky to have you, thank you for your time, help, advice .
This is a great tip ,you pointed this out before when we did "What's Wrong With My Painting" a couple of years ago.
great tutorial too bad some people just don't get it. Thanks for your incredible generosity,time and work in sharing all that you do.Your definition"more neutral, less saturated"is very clear,
I understood how what surrounds a color effects the chroma of that color. Now I ‘comprehend’ how to use it in my paintings. Thanks Mark. Great video.
I have just discovered your channel but you are teaching me so much and affirming what I already liked about my dirty paint colors but did not understand why they worked so well. I have so many videos of yours to watch.
I think a Zorn palette achieves dirty colours really well. They won't look dirty if you paint them right. Plus yellow ochre and black really are not vibrant colours per se. And white is a cooling colour not a warm one. I kind of wish you touched on how to make muddy colours, although I think we all know how but for arguments sake... a couple example of mixing and laying other less muddy colours side by side might of been a cool exercise especially when using earth tone palettes 🤗
Grey, dull and dirty ... the shadow and midtones you never realized you needed, right? Small pops of chroma are so much better than too many (unless it's s stylistic choice like abstract painting) Appreciate your work Mark.
So helpful, love these little short tip videos!
1:48 wow cant believe I've never seen some of these paintings before
I was today years old when I discovered Raimundo de Madrazo and Fernand Khnopff - thank you Mark!
Best information I have ever heard in a long time.......I just finished a Mission Oil Painting and it'sway, way to bright......and everything you touched on was absolutely right on. I can not fix it and it looks to Sterile, to bright.....It looks like a boring Photograph. I painted it to look just like to Photo, in that, it looks just like the Photo. Thank god it was just a Study Painting and your Video came at the absolute right time. thank you, thank you....Art
I went from neons and straight from the tube black and titanium white to now playing with muddy colors and it’s honestly both a challenge and very fun. Never going back to my garish color choices for realism! It never looked right for my work. Thank you for this
No one has mentioned Josef Albers... This video is such a great short piece to describe how colors interact. And I like your term dirty color. It makes sense to me. Thank you!
I dont know if i would even call them dirty colors. I just got done painting and a good share of my mixtures where not amped up colors but greys. Tones of greys or warm greys. good greys. I dont have black on my palette or least not this time but my tone came from color. You got to play around and paint whats in your subject. I may have a flower in my subject but it doesn't mean its pink. If the color looks too bright no right I take it out and keep taking it out until i get the correct value. and step back from your painting alot. I do every single stroke. try it youll get use to it. I like this painting you used in your video. Thanks great video Mark.
work with in "grays" add saturation where any of the focal points are at.
Is all about values more then dirty / muddy colors.
Yeah I agree, knowing your values really helps you know where your painting will need those vibrant colors.
Thankyou for all the tips Mark!! Started painting in the pandemics and thanks to you i was able to Paint my First Canvas with a great Deal of realism and i Felt really proud of myself!
Thanks for sharing. That's actually a light bulb moment for me. I'm not an artist but I like to paint, it helps me to relax.
I was at an art supply store across the street from a large art school in Milwaukee.
I mentioned to the sales person how the school started out as kind of a joke but after 25+ years, it now has some serious integrity .Students from across the country and the yearly tuition is kind of ridiculous . He shrugged and said "you'll probably never paint better than your instructor so pick them carefully" .
After weeks watching your videos I can see exactly what he meant.
My son was considering MIAD, but at $35k a year for an art degree, it just didn’t make sense to us. If you’re wealthy and can afford it, by all means enjoy the experience. However, if you need to take out loans for said degree, that’s a whole different ballgame.
@@johnpradarelli9991 Right and depending on the individual it could easily be another worthless degree. One thing about that school is it seems to be a serious staff shortage. I design 3D cnc machines that create human size sculptures. Sculpt in Blender and machine the work. After seeing a story about 3D virtual sculpting by the school,( head gear, creating figures in space) I called .An instructor was very interested but explained how he's already tasked with more than he can do efficiently. He said it's always been that way. You'd think with their tuition, it would be almost one on one instruction.
@gothic angel Some of the greatest painters were also teachers and were also taught. Even Leonardo.
@gothic angel Usually a student sees an instructor / teacher's work and that is the reason they seek their instruction. If what you're saying is true, that it's a natural talent not learned, you wouldn't be watching these videos.
Thank you so much! I’ve learned a lot from your channel, and you keep talking about so many aspects in painting, that I would have never found it somewhere else!
Thank you very much for your videos. I hope you can share a landscape painting demo- a rather complex one with overlapping grasses, branches.... I like your method and process and would like to see how you apply it on complex scenes - rather than still life and simple landscapes.
Mark is great artist, especially in still lives. If you're interested in landscapes though, I'd recommend Stuart Davies. He's just....wow. and so easy to follow and learn.
It’d be really nice if you did a demo on something like this, explaining how to create dirty colors
This is one of the most important videos on colour theory ever created. Thank you Mark.
Thank you for a helpful and easy to understand video. You are an exceptional painter with great understanding of the painting surface. Cape Town
Great examples, especially in the beginning. It’s a nice relation of albers interaction of color to a realist context.
Described beautifully..great little vid
I was watching your videos and thinking you remind me of someone. And then I thought, the actor, William Fichtner. You don’t look exactly like him but your mannerisms and the way you always tilt your head. I do find your videos informative!
I like the room setting you chose. I thought of Vermeer. He could paint.
Yeah, I’ll need to watch this video multiple times
one of the nicest and sharing artist on youtube thank you for sharing your knowledge
Fascinating! What a great example!
beautifully explained Mark
Helpful indeed! O just watched a video where the painter starts the portrait with pire basic colors and then mixes and mixes them around..
This is great. And that painting of the women in the window is fantastic.
Great advice,
Informative and helpful video sharing for beginners.
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I just learned of the fire Geneva headquarters. Glad you’re safe and hope that you’re up and running again, soon. Learning a lot from these videos. (Looking forward to purchasing a glass pallet.)
Much appreciated Mark.
thank you for this video , it was insightful and helpful for me 💛💛!
I love your channel and watching every video you uploaded. This is the best channel about painting on RUclips. Thank you allot and please keep on.
Hi Mark. You are a great master. Thanks for the tips and lessons. Greetings from Europe
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I would have found it helpful if you started with a definition of what was meant by "dirty colours", but since you made me think for myself and look at your demonstration, I now have a better understanding of the theory behind chronological paint application.. simultaneously frustrating and enlightening :P
I sometimes do this by instinct and my paintings look dull until the very end when I use the bright colors to make the composition and focal point work. I've also forgotten to do this and my paintings came out very weird. I'll be more aware of this now thanks to you!
Awesome topic about colours in paintings, brilliant video.
Excellent! Very helpful. Thanks.
I always look forward to your videos. I trust you as an artist and take your teaching seriously.
I so believe in this!
"Rewind" the video you say 😂😂 I love it
Fabulous Information Sir
That was great - thank you for taking the time!
Thank you so much!
Red and yellow black and white, lol. Always a great place to start
You are so right!
Thanks Mark
Thanks Mark! Always appreciated!
Why not call them muted colours oppose to dirty...
Superb, as usual. Thank you.
Absolutely very interesting and something to be taken in high consideration.
great video. thank you again... and your paints are game changing. they make me want to paint
I was searching for videos on how to paint with muddy colors and all I found were videos on how to avoid your colors getting muddy... This made me think that most people really dont know how to paint realism
As a painter that is red-green color blind, this freaks me out a little, as I can't see e.g. the rose color on the girls cheeks. It makes me feel like there is no way for me to understand colors correct, for painting realistically. But then I do also think, that it has to be my psyche that handicaps me, as I've only realized my colorblindness when I was 19, and I obviously also see gras being green and tomato's being red.
Does anyone know if you will get better at identifying subtle colors of low chroma?
xD noo but tell if have found out - maybe maybe these enchroma glasses may may help
I've been told that getting the values right is more important then getting the colours right. So don't worry too much.
Values are more important than chroma indeed, so just paint the way you see and the viewers will find your vision correct albeit… refreshing. ;)
I recently had an experience of inadvertently painting a full scene in a colorblind friendly palette. That might also be a way.
Well done, that's a great topic. All beginners in painting, to acquire mastery of tones, values and saturation, should start by copying a painting by Vilheim Hammershoi, the great master of Danish painting, where everything is only gray declined in a thousand ways ! Only then, we can dive into fauvism !
Good advice , Thank you
Thanks, Mark!
Great lesson, thanks so much!
I learn alot from you sir..... thank you 🙂
Nice haircut Sir!
i could never color realistically and i only recently realized it's because my colors are too vibrant. thanks for this video!
Cheers but for newbies, it would help if you explained what you meant by dirty colours
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Always good to see
Great tip
thank you very much. it is very intersting.I am french and i anderstand your video with very difficult so i am bad in english. then i progress ( increase ? ) in inglish too. 😂
Do you have a tutorial on choosing/creating/hanging backdrops for still life?
Thanks for all your wonderful videos! I have a question.
Often I need to paint a brilliant yellow color over a dark background, but the stroke ends up muddy because yellow is so translucent. How can I get around this problem?
Here are some ways I might try to solve that same issue.
Can add opacifier like titanium white to the yellow which will also lighten and slightly neutralize it of course.
Could scrub back down to the canvas and paint the yellow as the bottom layer. (easiest if the paint is still wet)
Could paint a lighter opaque color and let it dry then paint the yellow on top of that. (underlayer will still influence final color if pigment is not fully opaque.)
Could use a yellow that is already opaque like cadmium yellow. I think most yellows are fairly opaque. (thickness of paint will affect transparency some {thicker more opaque - thinner more translucent.})
As a note:
I only use linseed oil, and in the future painting i will use a drop of clove oil as needed but haven't tested it yet.
I don't use any solvents at all ever.
My idea about how to do it is not really considering things like mediums that contain solvents. In this case I don't think it much matters, but I figure since its not the normal way of working I'd better mention it.
Good luck to you I hope your paintings go well and that you find solutions to your challenges.
@@partingmist8550 This is very helpful! Thank you so much! 😀
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It is helpful
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Wow , thats Amazing. Now define what you mean by ( Dirty Colors.) Dulingl Colors, Graying Colors, adding complements , Adding blacks ? is that a text book, Term Dirty Colors ?
lighting in ur videos are much better
Awesome. Have you done a video on “mixing” dirty colors? Watched many of your videos, maybe missed it.
Anyone direct me? Which episode? Thanks.
Great advise. So, can I apply that to ceramic underglazes as well? I am just learning to use underglazes more subtly on my figurines. I will start mixing them and see what a dirty color does on the surface of the piece.
@Draw Mix Paint, what are your thoughts on Jeffery Watts? Maybe you could do a video on artists you like?
Thanks for the tip! What about other mediums like watercolor?
I love this 🖤
Love your videos
But how exactly does one mix up dirty color? We are often told to clean the brushes and to use only two or three colors in a mix. Can dirty color be achieved with just two or three colors plus white? Thanks.
This channel is fucking great. Apologies for my foul language.
Opposite of Bright is ... DIRTY? ... Hmmm, thanks for the tutorial.
Hi in the next q and a oil paint could u please review this painting by pariksit dasa
Well said 👍
That "green colour" looks like french grey, doesn't it?
Can someone help me out please. I'm trying to find what category this work titled "Girls at a Window" by Madrazo (2:27) this work belongs to. I know it's realism, probably alla prima. However, I want to know how to describe the way the painting has a very fluid feel to it, the brush strokes are clear but not really... I'm not sure how to describe it, I want to learn more about this method.
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So what colors would you use to paint dirt?