this is one of the most informative AND well presented vids on Ableton I have ever seen - and you've automated something I tried manually .... I really think the pace and learner centred approach make the difference. AND you list the break points ...
I’ve just recently started playing around with Live and I must say this video is superb in every way. Some of the best content I’ve ever seen. Subscribed and I will definitely check out your other stuff. Thank you so much for this!
This is great stuff! I used to mostly generate random melodies with Reaktor ensembles like Nod-E, but doing it this way gives you a lot more control over the output. Very cool :)
I know of quite a few producers who have mostly hardware setups but use Ableton as the main sequencer and 'tape machine' at the heart of the setup. Its quite a cool way to go 'cause Ableton is a really badass sequencer, but then you can still have all the fun of playing with physical hardware. The best of both worlds 🤓
One thing to look out for with follow actions, is they throw your dummy clip back into sync with your midi notes. You can avoid it by giving the follow actions on your midi bus a different length than the notes.
Yes, definitely! Are you talking about the Dummy Clips in the template or just in general? I think the Dummy Clips in the template are at odd lengths if I remember correctly.
You’re super dope!! I have a non musical question. Who designed your logo/graphic? How did they do that? I really like the moving trippy nature type video that’s behind it.
Hehe, thanks. I do all the design myself. I use various programs in kind of a bit of a hacked together way 'cause I'm self taught 😗 I use Pixelmator a lot for the basic design then I switch between Tumult Hype and After Effects for the animation. I also use a program called Gifrocket on the Mac to convert movies to GIFs.
I don't, but if you wanna support the best way to do that is to buy one of the packs from elphnt.io/products/ableton-live-packs/. Otherwise I do also have RUclips Channel Memberships set up - just hit the Join button at the top to see what that's all about 😉 Thanks so much for the support!!! ❤️👏🏻🙏🏻
Yo Tom: regarding control over the rhythm/programming your own notes. An idea might simply be to create a MIDITrigger clip that has the specific rhythm that one is aiming for, no? Obviously you lose the random/generative quality of the trigger group by doing so, but I guess if people are trying to create a particular rhythmic pattern that they have in mind, then that doesn't matter as much at that point, and it would be simpler than having three trigger clips and trying to approximate the rhythm. Another thing I thought might be fun to try is to simply put an arpeggiator in between the Random and Chord devices on the bus, and then play with the rate value as the MIDI clip is recording. Might be simpler than having three triggers, though once again you would be giving up some of the random/non-repeating aspect, so depends on the mood and workflow one is I guess. Anyways as I've said, love the tutorials dude, particularly this hack, awesome work.
Hey Luke, yeah of course, all of the above is totally valid - there are just far more options and ways of working with this than I could fit in one video! The main concept that I wanted to get across was just the basic idea of the technique but also to try and let people know that its flexible and you can tweak it to your taste. All of the elements of the technique could be used in isolation for different results; as you mentioned you could use a single clip with the rhythm you want but use the Random, Scale and Chord devices to create chords. You can also get rid of the Random, Scale and Chord devices and just use the trigger Clips to get interesting rhythms - I do this quite often for drum parts, which is also something that I just didn't have time to get to in the video. Anyways, hopefully people will see your comment and, if they haven't figured it out already, they'll start t experiment with other ways to use the technique 😊 Thanks for mentioning it! 🤘🏻
Yeh nice! I was sure it would be something you'd thought of, but figured - as you said- that others might hopefully also see the comment and get some use out of it. Using it for drums would be great too - that hadn't crossed my mind yet. The whole process you've put together here is a really neat little concept, packed full of so many different possibilities. Awesome dude.
Thanks man - yeah give it a go on drums! Its pretty cool, even when you trigger drums using a separate trigger track like in this method the MIDI Editor still folds the MIDI Clip and gives you the names of the Drum Rack pads just as if the Clip was on the Track with the Drum Rack. Someone at Ableton obviously thought ahead 😉
Is there any way to generate random number and map to any envelope that I want? A general way would be great. Only one that I know is LFO in Max presets, which has two disadvantages. One is that it is an audio effect which will automatically turn a MIDI track to Audio track, preventing me from further Midi output etc... Two is that it does not allow any probability set up, for example, I want 80% of chance to return 0 and 20% of chance to return 3. (If I can do it and map it on my scale device, then I will be able to insert 20% random relative minor scale chords into my random major scale chords)
Hmm 🤔 As far as I know there isn't something that does that... Max would be the way to go though. The LFO device actually use to have a MIDI version in the MaxForLive Essentials Pack, but the new L10 version doesn't have a MIDI version, which is annoying. One workaround would be to simply put the LFO device on a separate Audio Track and then map it to whatever you want to control on the MIDI Track (seeing as the LFO device can map across tracks). As for the probability bit, I think a custom Max device would be necessary...
@@ELPHNT Thanks. i should use an empty track just to load a bunch of lfo. Love what you made for Live, planning on trying them out this weekend. Learning devices is one thing and learning max is quite another ... need much more ambition and bravery to even start that
You mean like using this same technique to create drums? If that's what you're asking then yes. Instead of routing the trigger tracks to a synth track just try routing them to a Drum Rack. You're already generating rhythms anyway but you just happen to be generating notes as well, so just remove the notes 😊 I hope that helps.
Hmm, I might be misunderstanding your question, but that's kind of a major part of this technique. The whole point of the offset timing of the Trigger Clips is to randomise the timing. Have you watched Part 1 - ruclips.net/video/H7MweBlNq0c/видео.html 🤔 Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your question.
just chiming in but hope the penny has dropped, since that was the purpose of this clip.....unless of course the question is nothing more than a dorothy dixer....
The link is in the description of Part 1, which you should definitely watch first if you haven't already. Here it is as well: elphnt.io/pattern-generator
One salient fact: music composed of randomness almost always has an audience of one - the “composer.” Beauty arises from order, ugliness from chaos. Even so, I DO think it’s important for the artist to be the master of chaos, and not its servant. A piece of music is the expression of a feeling. Random number generators don’t have feelings - they come only from life.
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Mate, I haven't heard anyone who explain more clearly than you. Keep it up.
I will do! Thanks very much 😊
@@ELPHNT thank you very much man, you're so generous and clear..... cheers!
I've learned so much watching these 2 videos, thanks dude.
Always a pleasure 😊
this is one of the most informative AND well presented vids on Ableton I have ever seen - and you've automated something I tried manually .... I really think the pace and learner centred approach make the difference. AND you list the break points ...
Video made year ago, and there still zero dislikes! You definitely deserve it! Love your videos, so much useful information.
Years looking for a strategy for generating harmonies randomly on ableton and it was all about thinking. Thanks mate!
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This is great and you really did explain the process very clearly. It was easy to follow.
Great channel, dropped a lot of gems!
I absolutely love these videos! They are EXACTLY what I was looking for. Thank you!!
Very cool variation on a classic technique!!! nice one proboscid!
I’ve just recently started playing around with Live and I must say this video is superb in every way. Some of the best content I’ve ever seen. Subscribed and I will definitely check out your other stuff. Thank you so much for this!
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Awesome stuff brother. great work!
Really excellent tutorial. You seamlessly explained a multi-step process that is very useful.
This is great stuff! I used to mostly generate random melodies with Reaktor ensembles like Nod-E, but doing it this way gives you a lot more control over the output. Very cool :)
Thank you for sharing this information, so interesting! You are a gifted teacher.
Great content Tom. Thank you 😊
Superb tutorial! Thank you! Really interesting and very helpful.
Always a pleasure 😊
That's some great ideas for musical idea generation here. Well done!
Excellent! A Masterclass!
Genius idea. Really enjoyed the thoroughness.
OMG, Ableton live is a great instrument! And your channel is great too!
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An amazing tool for start musical ideas. Thanks for share!!!!
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Thank you very much! I can’t wait to try this out!!
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Really great video, thanks!
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Very interesting.. I may want to look into Abelton Live now...I am an all hardware synth guy... I suppose DAW might be useful
I know of quite a few producers who have mostly hardware setups but use Ableton as the main sequencer and 'tape machine' at the heart of the setup. Its quite a cool way to go 'cause Ableton is a really badass sequencer, but then you can still have all the fun of playing with physical hardware. The best of both worlds 🤓
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This is some good shit!
One thing to look out for with follow actions, is they throw your dummy clip back into sync with your midi notes. You can avoid it by giving the follow actions on your midi bus a different length than the notes.
Yes, definitely! Are you talking about the Dummy Clips in the template or just in general? I think the Dummy Clips in the template are at odd lengths if I remember correctly.
Very cool. By the way, I get that the 0.3.3 follow actions were for a quick example, but I couldn't help getting triggered! Haha.
Haha, yes of course. Didn't wanna spend an age in the video setting up separate Follow Actions for everything! 😋
Ok im watching every video.
cool stuff!
You’re super dope!! I have a non musical question. Who designed your logo/graphic? How did they do that? I really like the moving trippy nature type video that’s behind it.
Hehe, thanks. I do all the design myself. I use various programs in kind of a bit of a hacked together way 'cause I'm self taught 😗 I use Pixelmator a lot for the basic design then I switch between Tumult Hype and After Effects for the animation. I also use a program called Gifrocket on the Mac to convert movies to GIFs.
ELPHNT hell yea mate! Thanks for the reply, keep making dope content 👍👍
For sure! Got lots more in the bag - watch this space 😉
more!
Haha, as in you want more? 😋
Do you have a Patreon?
I don't, but if you wanna support the best way to do that is to buy one of the packs from elphnt.io/products/ableton-live-packs/. Otherwise I do also have RUclips Channel Memberships set up - just hit the Join button at the top to see what that's all about 😉 Thanks so much for the support!!! ❤️👏🏻🙏🏻
Hobby musician here with a Yamaha keyboard and Proteus 2000. New to DAW. Do you recommend this application for me?
Yo Tom: regarding control over the rhythm/programming your own notes. An idea might simply be to create a MIDITrigger clip that has the specific rhythm that one is aiming for, no? Obviously you lose the random/generative quality of the trigger group by doing so, but I guess if people are trying to create a particular rhythmic pattern that they have in mind, then that doesn't matter as much at that point, and it would be simpler than having three trigger clips and trying to approximate the rhythm.
Another thing I thought might be fun to try is to simply put an arpeggiator in between the Random and Chord devices on the bus, and then play with the rate value as the MIDI clip is recording. Might be simpler than having three triggers, though once again you would be giving up some of the random/non-repeating aspect, so depends on the mood and workflow one is I guess.
Anyways as I've said, love the tutorials dude, particularly this hack, awesome work.
Hey Luke, yeah of course, all of the above is totally valid - there are just far more options and ways of working with this than I could fit in one video! The main concept that I wanted to get across was just the basic idea of the technique but also to try and let people know that its flexible and you can tweak it to your taste.
All of the elements of the technique could be used in isolation for different results; as you mentioned you could use a single clip with the rhythm you want but use the Random, Scale and Chord devices to create chords. You can also get rid of the Random, Scale and Chord devices and just use the trigger Clips to get interesting rhythms - I do this quite often for drum parts, which is also something that I just didn't have time to get to in the video.
Anyways, hopefully people will see your comment and, if they haven't figured it out already, they'll start t experiment with other ways to use the technique 😊 Thanks for mentioning it! 🤘🏻
Yeh nice! I was sure it would be something you'd thought of, but figured - as you said- that others might hopefully also see the comment and get some use out of it. Using it for drums would be great too - that hadn't crossed my mind yet. The whole process you've put together here is a really neat little concept, packed full of so many different possibilities. Awesome dude.
Thanks man - yeah give it a go on drums! Its pretty cool, even when you trigger drums using a separate trigger track like in this method the MIDI Editor still folds the MIDI Clip and gives you the names of the Drum Rack pads just as if the Clip was on the Track with the Drum Rack. Someone at Ableton obviously thought ahead 😉
Is there any way to generate random number and map to any envelope that I want? A general way would be great. Only one that I know is LFO in Max presets, which has two disadvantages. One is that it is an audio effect which will automatically turn a MIDI track to Audio track, preventing me from further Midi output etc... Two is that it does not allow any probability set up, for example, I want 80% of chance to return 0 and 20% of chance to return 3. (If I can do it and map it on my scale device, then I will be able to insert 20% random relative minor scale chords into my random major scale chords)
Forget to say, great video and thank you very much. It inspires me a lot!
Hmm 🤔 As far as I know there isn't something that does that... Max would be the way to go though. The LFO device actually use to have a MIDI version in the MaxForLive Essentials Pack, but the new L10 version doesn't have a MIDI version, which is annoying. One workaround would be to simply put the LFO device on a separate Audio Track and then map it to whatever you want to control on the MIDI Track (seeing as the LFO device can map across tracks). As for the probability bit, I think a custom Max device would be necessary...
@@ELPHNT Thanks. i should use an empty track just to load a bunch of lfo. Love what you made for Live, planning on trying them out this weekend. Learning devices is one thing and learning max is quite another ... need much more ambition and bravery to even start that
Curt C It's not too scary once you get started, and its a whole world of fun. The built-in tutorials for Max are really good.
Is there a way ableton can generate it’s own rhythms?
You mean like using this same technique to create drums? If that's what you're asking then yes. Instead of routing the trigger tracks to a synth track just try routing them to a Drum Rack. You're already generating rhythms anyway but you just happen to be generating notes as well, so just remove the notes 😊 I hope that helps.
ELPHNT I mean like randomizing the time each chord is played
Hmm, I might be misunderstanding your question, but that's kind of a major part of this technique. The whole point of the offset timing of the Trigger Clips is to randomise the timing. Have you watched Part 1 - ruclips.net/video/H7MweBlNq0c/видео.html 🤔 Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your question.
just chiming in but hope the penny has dropped, since that was the purpose of this clip.....unless of course the question is nothing more than a dorothy dixer....
HI, where can i find this template?
The link is in the description of Part 1, which you should definitely watch first if you haven't already. Here it is as well: elphnt.io/pattern-generator
Hallow Hallow Hallow there
Hey Neo 😃
One salient fact: music composed of randomness almost always has an audience of one - the “composer.” Beauty arises from order, ugliness from chaos. Even so, I DO think it’s important for the artist to be the master of chaos, and not its servant. A piece of music is the expression of a feeling. Random number generators don’t have feelings - they come only from life.