The golden ratio can also be found in art form. You can find it in almost everywhere. My art nerd heart is just really happy that it was incorporated in music 😊
Could you please explain it to me? I’m a bit lost with how math is involved and I want to understand it! I keep rewatching it, and all I hear are the beats. Then again, I’m not too good at math lol
@@pweaseadoptme5312 music is art and physics, sure physics has math but isnt the full scale. you dont play music with the damn Mandelbrot set and Quarternions in mind now, do you?
And then we look at Genshin's lore too. If you think the music is detailed, see how many references the lore has to religions, mythologies, references to actual constellations and astrology, demonic names (Paimon, Barbatos, Buer, etc), and so on. Even the Sumeru archon quest is similar to the Kusanali Jarkarta story, which is one having to do with buddism; fairy saving a tree from the carpenters disguising it as dead. Like the tree being Greater kusanali, the fairy = lesser kusanali, and the carpenters/king are the sages and the fatui harbingers.
@@Windtorment Even attention to detail in Idle animation!! Layla writes about astronomy in her sleep it is not simply random symbols. Same with Faruzan thinking! Along with diluc's skin idle animation of eagle giving note to him, it hints to something
@@subhransusekhardash8124 not enough math. You need to calculate 1. The amount of water in Teyvat 2. The amount of plants (good luck quantifying that into a metric) in Teyvat 3. The exact amount of water needed to react with the plants (bloom) 3. The difference between the results in 1. & 3. If 1.>3.: 4. The amount of water each hydro unit produces when using their kit If 1.
I'm already in the akademia but when i finally got in the sages were already out!😃 So i became the faithful servent of the Tsaritsa and i im on my way to Shneznaya y'know the deal😎
This is definitely what i expected from sumeru... since it combines mostly the Indian and Middle Eastern region...I low-key expected some serious math equations by the sumeru entrance
@@MrGamelover23 a good amount of the basics of maths was created/discovered by both Indian astrologists and Arabic mathematicians. So there is a connection there. But the surface level connection is that Sumeru has the Akademiya, so the theme of intelligence was probably used in the creative process for the region
@@MrGamelover23 I know people are talking about the stereotype (which is probably what op was joking about), but fun fact: I can’t speak to middle eastern music, but classical music in India is absolutely rooted in a lot of math. The rhythmic structure is extremely different from Western European classical music and involves a lot of math in order to perform. When you’re learning (like I am), you perform the calculations and plan out your improvisations in order to learn the patterns and numbers. Once you reach a high level, you’ve embodied the math to the point where you don’t really think about it, you just apply the patterns and calculations you’ve studied and perform. The numbers can get really crazy!!
Maybe a too nerd comment, but golden ratio etc actually was "extracted" from nature itself, they became the backbone of compositions as artists believe nature has the best & suitable design for everyone. Basically everything we use and wear are designed with these rules to match with the nature so it's everywhere.. Yes even your A4 paper Tl;dr golden rules etc are formulated to help artists and designers have easier time to compose something Sorry weird explanation, I'm just not very good in English 😂
Anyone who is interested should start by watching Vi Hart's videos. She's amazing at making these concepts beginner-friendly but still weird and unique
Truly a talented figure. Had he been born in the 18th century as a part of European nobility, we would've learned about him in history classes. He'd be listed up there among the classical legends. 😮
@@digojez not every unlimited budget would do this kinda thing, there are still many cash grab developer with unlimited budget couldn't relase new content
To be honest I'm weak at math I only know 4 fundamental operations. Sumeru made me stop to play Genshin and made me inspired to learn mathematics and now I'm almost done in precalculus and I'm really excited to calculus.
Calculus is really worth it! I've heard people calling it complex, and admittedly, I shared the sentiment before actually starting my study. It unlocks a breathtakingly diverse part of the map of mathematics.
So, that's why I'm always humming this battle music and can easily follow along. . . Damn, what a legend. This is why I spend on welkins, man. This is why
Well I think it's simply because of how there's emphasis on the important beats, I don't think using the sequence for rhythm would make you hum along with it any easier. You probably also hear it so often that it just gets stuck in your head
i do silly programming projects from time to time. i rarely finish them but i always learn something. my audio synthesis project was by far the most mathematically intense and ive done multiple graphics projects. i want to come back to it after my current one
@@justsomeguy727 If you look for contemporary music, you will find out more alike with another technique of music composing. I also create a piece that based from LCM for my thesis.
@@justsomeguy727 I don't know why you think this would be such an unusual thing. There are even knitting patterns that use the Fibonacci sequence and many other mathematical patterns and theories.
And now yu pheng chen is leave on mihoyo company because he wants to develop his talents as a solo musician. As a genshin player i big Thanks for yu Pheng chen .. the archon of music 🤧
music and maths are pretty closely intertwined if you think about it. in medieval italy, universities even taught music as one of the 4 mathematical disciplines, alongside arithmetics, geometry and astronomy.
"What is the rhythm? 4/4?" Him: "F I B O N A C C I" There are total of 53 beats in one full round, which is a prime number, makes the song unique af. Good job Genshin
As a musician I think this is more likely about the tempo rule than Math, yeah i knew that this golden ratio rule are derived from mathematics but when its come to make use of it in music there are nothing to do with mathematically or calculation or something like that. The composer are only using it by there musically experience and sense. Golden ratio is kinda like a formula thing for Composer, Artist, Photographer, Designer, etc.
@doo doo fart asian parents enroll their children into one or all these courses : music, swimming, math. but as career path? being a musician or artist in general is still way below being a doctor or office worker with "stable life stable income" 😂😂 (im a southeast asian myself)
No wonder why I was so confused when listening to this song. I’m used to songs having a set tempo and time signature, sure it can change but I wasn’t expecting it to change like that. Kept trying 4/4 3/4 6/4 nothing worked and now I know why
This is the first time i heard about Fibonucci sequence, but ive seen that image before but i forgot where. after having a hard time thinking, it was from the movie Glass Onion which i have watched recently
The golden ratio can also be found in art form. You can find it in almost everywhere. My art nerd heart is just really happy that it was incorporated in music 😊
Art now using Among Us ratio
@@rea_ldi AMONGGUSSS *sus music*
Spins coherently and yells is that a jojo reference
@@robosubzero7905 Is that a mf jojo refference?!
Could you please explain it to me? I’m a bit lost with how math is involved and I want to understand it! I keep rewatching it, and all I hear are the beats. Then again, I’m not too good at math lol
When you can do math while composing music, you've become a true Asian
This comment is underrated 🤣🤣
music composition is literally math wdym ??? are people literally learning this for the 1st time and being amazed by this
@@pweaseadoptme5312 Chill it's a fucking joke
@@pweaseadoptme5312 music is art and physics, sure physics has math but isnt the full scale. you dont play music with the damn Mandelbrot set and Quarternions in mind now, do you?
@@pweaseadoptme5312 do u not know jokes
I know genshin is a pretty detailed game, but woah…
And then we look at Genshin's lore too. If you think the music is detailed, see how many references the lore has to religions, mythologies, references to actual constellations and astrology, demonic names (Paimon, Barbatos, Buer, etc), and so on. Even the Sumeru archon quest is similar to the Kusanali Jarkarta story, which is one having to do with buddism; fairy saving a tree from the carpenters disguising it as dead. Like the tree being Greater kusanali, the fairy = lesser kusanali, and the carpenters/king are the sages and the fatui harbingers.
Yeah whoaa indeed. So amazed tbh.
@@Windtorment Even attention to detail in Idle animation!! Layla writes about astronomy in her sleep it is not simply random symbols. Same with Faruzan thinking! Along with diluc's skin idle animation of eagle giving note to him, it hints to something
Dude every music have math wtf you are talking about
@@H1meno_ sorry man, I don't make musics, so I have no idea, although you point it out like its extremely obvious
It makes sense that the region based so heavily in academics would have music created using Math.
Yet they banned Nilou dancing performance
@@itsaj2404 too much water not enough math
@@berrytofu9559 just quantify that water and now u r using math
@@subhransusekhardash8124 not enough math. You need to calculate
1. The amount of water in Teyvat
2. The amount of plants (good luck quantifying that into a metric) in Teyvat
3. The exact amount of water needed to react with the plants (bloom)
3. The difference between the results in 1. & 3.
If 1.>3.:
4. The amount of water each hydro unit produces when using their kit
If 1.
That, and the golden ratio been based on patterns of the nature, being used in the region of great forests and the archon of nature/dendro
"From now on, I will continue to visit Teyvat with everyone as a traveler."
Yu Peng Chen, The Music Archon.
12/9/2023
I love this. Did he say this in an interview?
@@sightseek3r This he said when he announced he was leaving HOYO-MiX and miHoYo.
Does he mean he plays the game?
this is the real answer to why we need to learn math
music theory is just the most BS math you’re ever gonna practice
I learn math so I can enter the Akedemiya pose as a researcher and assasinated the Sages that made Nahida cry.😡😡😡
@@Soshiaircon91 Priorities :
I'm already in the akademia but when i finally got in the sages were already out!😃 So i became the faithful servent of the Tsaritsa and i im on my way to Shneznaya y'know the deal😎
@@Soshiaircon91 the aranara already killed them
The golden ratio can also be found in Eula's body. I'm not even joking, look at when she bends her body when dancing. That's a perfect golden ratio
Bonk
"Pizza Mozzarella, Pizza Mozzarella, Rella Rella Rella Rella Rella Rella Re"
*I’m not even
@@noobmasterruben5167 thank you for the correction
@@noobmasterruben5167 ok
This is definitely what i expected from sumeru... since it combines mostly the Indian and Middle Eastern region...I low-key expected some serious math equations by the sumeru entrance
I don't know what you mean, does Indian music use math often?
@@MrGamelover23 it's more of a stereotype of Indians knowing math
@@evolutionthenotsofunnyrefr5869 the stereotype ironically fits the nation itself
@@MrGamelover23 a good amount of the basics of maths was created/discovered by both Indian astrologists and Arabic mathematicians. So there is a connection there. But the surface level connection is that Sumeru has the Akademiya, so the theme of intelligence was probably used in the creative process for the region
@@MrGamelover23 I know people are talking about the stereotype (which is probably what op was joking about), but fun fact: I can’t speak to middle eastern music, but classical music in India is absolutely rooted in a lot of math. The rhythmic structure is extremely different from Western European classical music and involves a lot of math in order to perform. When you’re learning (like I am), you perform the calculations and plan out your improvisations in order to learn the patterns and numbers. Once you reach a high level, you’ve embodied the math to the point where you don’t really think about it, you just apply the patterns and calculations you’ve studied and perform. The numbers can get really crazy!!
Maybe a too nerd comment, but golden ratio etc actually was "extracted" from nature itself, they became the backbone of compositions as artists believe nature has the best & suitable design for everyone. Basically everything we use and wear are designed with these rules to match with the nature so it's everywhere.. Yes even your A4 paper
Tl;dr golden rules etc are formulated to help artists and designers have easier time to compose something
Sorry weird explanation, I'm just not very good in English 😂
your explanation is very clear!
Small correction: your A4 paper is based on the square root of 2, not the golden ratio
It's amazing right
Literally Sumeru in every way
Anyone who is interested should start by watching Vi Hart's videos. She's amazing at making these concepts beginner-friendly but still weird and unique
I always knew this song was special because of it's very strange mixed meters but I didn't know it was just the Fibonacci sequence lol
i guess yu peng chen is now master of SPIN technique
The endless, you mean?
W
IS THAT JOJO BIZARRE ADVENTURE REFERENCE?
I guess he really had to GO BEYOND to make sumeru ost so good
Bro defeated Valentine with music
Truly a talented figure. Had he been born in the 18th century as a part of European nobility, we would've learned about him in history classes. He'd be listed up there among the classical legends. 😮
I would have never expected this level of detail from a gacha game
the power of unlimited budgets do be like that
@@digojez not every unlimited budget would do this kinda thing, there are still many cash grab developer with unlimited budget couldn't relase new content
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@@walgazeh8732 all those developers with unlimited budget feels limited compare to Mihoyo's budget (1billion spent so far)
@@digojezThe power of unlimited budget and limitless skill
To be honest I'm weak at math I only know 4 fundamental operations. Sumeru made me stop to play Genshin and made me inspired to learn mathematics and now I'm almost done in precalculus and I'm really excited to calculus.
Calculus is really worth it! I've heard people calling it complex, and admittedly, I shared the sentiment before actually starting my study. It unlocks a breathtakingly diverse part of the map of mathematics.
Keep at it!
God damn you speed running math cus of sumeru 😅
Chinese kids learn that when they are 13
genshin be out here convincing people to touch grass and learn maths with a nation that represents that
So, that's why I'm always humming this battle music and can easily follow along. . . Damn, what a legend. This is why I spend on welkins, man. This is why
your pfp really scared me man...
@@pyracrys0174 it's just an anime girl, nothing wrong with it, right?
Well I think it's simply because of how there's emphasis on the important beats, I don't think using the sequence for rhythm would make you hum along with it any easier. You probably also hear it so often that it just gets stuck in your head
@@chinesefood7350your pfp look like Jeff the killer at first glance…
@@Frostborne2778 ye ik I was being sarcastic don't worry
And here I thought I could escape math…
that's why i struggled so much transcribing it, damn you yu peng-chen!!!!
KEKL
As a professional musician, I just want to say that there is no Music without Math. They have always been closely linked. Greetings :)
i do silly programming projects from time to time. i rarely finish them but i always learn something. my audio synthesis project was by far the most mathematically intense and ive done multiple graphics projects. i want to come back to it after my current one
Yea but how often do musical pieces incorporate this method for composing ?
@@justsomeguy727 If you look for contemporary music, you will find out more alike with another technique of music composing. I also create a piece that based from LCM for my thesis.
Thank you ❤ I'm an amateur musician and I was looking for this comment
@@justsomeguy727 I don't know why you think this would be such an unusual thing. There are even knitting patterns that use the Fibonacci sequence and many other mathematical patterns and theories.
People will miss this today,,, forever
Yu-Peng Chen and the band Tool would get along quite well.
Absolute GOAT. Best of luck to him in his future ventures. He will be sorely missed.
Those time signatures look like hell, yet still manage to be better than 5/4
I guess there was math in Sumeru, just not how it was expected? 😅
i just study about the golden ratio in Greek architecture i didn't know that we can apply it on music XD
ay
Song "Lateralus" is also based on Fibonacci sequence
I was today years old when I found out India has been using the Fibonacci sequence in konnakol since forever
It seems like you can apply it in so many places
And now yu pheng chen is leave on mihoyo company because he wants to develop his talents as a solo musician. As a genshin player i big Thanks for yu Pheng chen .. the archon of music 🤧
absolute genius. Thanks for providing us a great musical experience yupengchen
i love how genshin puts so much thought and care into their music. it makes the world so much more immersive and enhances the experience
Everything was for this moment's sake thank you for everything, gyro
music and maths are pretty closely intertwined if you think about it. in medieval italy, universities even taught music as one of the 4 mathematical disciplines, alongside arithmetics, geometry and astronomy.
Yu Peng Chen leaves Hoyoverse. I'm so sad but i wish him the best in his music career after leaving.
THAT'S WHY I CANT REALLY COUNT THE RHYTHM..
OMG THAT'S GENIUS
He’s a Music Archon afterall.
This man is a musical genius
sumeru is so big brain that they put math in music
The perfect infinite golden rotational energy, the reason for lesson 5.
And now we will never have this kind of masterpieces again.
We are in sumeru, means we cannot escape from math.
My mind was blown, i thought golden ration can only be applied in visual art
even music is a jojo referance
Yu Peng Chen is a god amongst men.
Idk why I only heard this guy in Genshin only. I'm pretty sure he was working with something back then.
Damn, even Sumeru music is also another kind of academic document
I mean, math is already HEAVILY used in music, but damn, i didn't notice they used the golden ratio
"What is the rhythm? 4/4?"
Him: "F I B O N A C C I"
There are total of 53 beats in one full round, which is a prime number, makes the song unique af. Good job Genshin
Yu Peng Chen is bloody brilliant
As a musician I think this is more likely about the tempo rule than Math, yeah i knew that this golden ratio rule are derived from mathematics but when its come to make use of it in music there are nothing to do with mathematically or calculation or something like that. The composer are only using it by there musically experience and sense. Golden ratio is kinda like a formula thing for Composer, Artist, Photographer, Designer, etc.
No wonder this song had such a weird timing that I had a hard time memorizing for when I inevitably clicked my teeth to the rhythm while bored at work
it's been a truly roundabout journey
IT'S ALWAYS THE GOLDEN RATIO
Fibonnachi..Yu-Peng Chen is one of genius composer
POV:Gyro making music
I just imagined Johnny from sbr playing this while shooting nails💀
when a chinese kid is raised the typical asian way but ends up as a musician :
@doo doo fart asian parents enroll their children into one or all these courses : music, swimming, math. but as career path? being a musician or artist in general is still way below being a doctor or office worker with "stable life stable income" 😂😂 (im a southeast asian myself)
Source of the second half is from Bilibili, video code: BV1A841147Tv
【原神】揭秘须弥节奏最复杂战斗曲 斐波那契数列拍子 不愧是智慧的国度（锁屏可打？）
Thank you.. wonder why OP did not credit that
Thank you so much
No wonder why I was so confused when listening to this song. I’m used to songs having a set tempo and time signature, sure it can change but I wasn’t expecting it to change like that. Kept trying 4/4
3/4
6/4 nothing worked and now I know why
The goddamn Fibonacci sequence, you gotta have some great minds to think of music being made with maths
girlie I just hit the highest note ever in shock
Fitting music for the land of scholars
Yu-Peng Chen care so much about the music and our education that he mixed them together
Now that's having a Super Big Brain!!! AFAIK it's VERY rare to find modern composers do something like that
Johnny Johnny
yes papa ❌
KOCHI DA, so iu koto nara, so iu koto de ii sa. Jya na, genki da na ✔️
Arigato Gyro 🗿
i knew I'll find this comment
finally a jojo comment
ローマ字ぽいけど意味不だった
何語だろう、、、
I now see why gyro is so addicted to the golden ratio
Its like Tool's Lateralus all over again..
This is the first time i heard about Fibonucci sequence, but ive seen that image before but i forgot where. after having a hard time thinking, it was from the movie Glass Onion which i have watched recently
Music is art, so obviously, it has composition.
When your father wants you to become a mathematic and your mother wants you to become a musician so you choose both
even life is math, That's why i probably suck at it
Mr. Chen really puts these orchestras that Hoyoverse hires to the test
THE TIME HAS COME- ITS GOLDEN RATIO- lol
its literally everywhere, plus I came across it in JJBA part 7.
No wonfer i feel energetic to learn Math..which used to be my most hated subject in school😂😂
In the words of a wise man: "Who said math wasn't beautiful!?"
Spin practitioners stand proud
Just like lateralus by tool. They also used the fibonacci sequence, give it a listen
Now I can become a spin user by listening sumeru music
All fun and games until we hear someone saying "Kanseng da ogo nu kaiten to enurgy"
the secret is that yu peng chen is a spin user, he's a zeppeli
The moment i saw the golden ratio i immediatly tought of jojo.
*Nyo ho intensifies*
This is the kind of things people would laught at if you didn't have any proof 😂
When Yu Peng Chen manifested TOOL
Yet another reason to add to the extremely long list of why I adore genshins music and just the game in general. All the little details are insane
Thats why gyro is so good at making music
Behold Lesson 6 Johnny.
Who knew my main game would have the Fibonacci sequence in it, which I just wrote a report on for school 💀 I should have included this in it lol
When you realize that there is math in EVERY music.
Not every music. Lazy composers exist.
@@Mayank_MJ but there is still math. Even if you play random notes at a random beat, the time signature, bpm and value of notes are numbers
@@Mayank_MJ Then it’s not a good music.
@@halfbee7886 never said that lazy composers make good music
sumeru music is so beautiful cus its litterally based on the beauty curve in math
As a low AR player, the fact that math is also involved in the music of my impending doom...
Golden ratio is found in nature. Sumeru is heavily based on nature. Makes sense
Lol after reading steel ball run I had to stop a whole to appreciate the golden rectangle
everything we make need some maths bro, i know mostly we hate it but maths is element of life. maths contributed everything our life aspects.
if there's math involved in genshin music
surely there's also math involved in raiden's booba sword
imagine having to count and play that as the percussionist rip
There is math in all music, ratios in rhythm and frequency what I know so far.
jojo reference in sumeru
THE PERFECT GOLDEN ROTATION ENERGY!!!
Now all we need is a horse race across Teyvat along with a blond looking President followed by a crippled man with supernatural powers.
This is gyros dream
I see, they learn Lesson no.5 from Gyro
neat how they put konnakkol rhythms in
Maths is by far the closest we have come to understanding language of nature.
Its not new using math in music but thats good to know
Sages: *wanted to erase the art from their land because it has nothing to do with ReAl ScIeNce™©®™®®™*
Meanwhile art:
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