Fiona HARVEY definitely lying? Is she the REAL Martha? Criminal PSYCHIATRIST has doubts!
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
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I feel like I’ve been taking crazy pills!
Maybe I’m delusional, but I feel like the entire Internet is off the mark when it comes to the recent interview of Fiona Harvey by Piers Morgan.
Why do I disagree with the entire world?
Click to find out.
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its blatantly obvious to millions that This Lady is Martha
I suspect the actress portraying Fiona Harvey ( Muir) was so spot on , is because possibly Richard Gadd let her listen to the alleged voice mails she sent him. Also I tend to believe she did stalk him. Because of the interviews that Laura Walker an ex MP's wife , who claims Fiona (then Muir) stalked her for 5 years and accused her of harming her disabled child. After she had to dismiss her for misconduct.
Yes, true. But she did not go to prison, did not glass him or punch the trans girl. Advertised as a true story. Clear cut defamation.
Jessica Dunning’s audition tape was only based on her reading the play - even if she did hear the tapes it was only after she got the role.
I’m struggling to concentrate on what’s being said due to the chaotic cupboards in the background. I want to climb through the screen and tidy them 😂😂 it’s like an itch I can’t scratch 😅
Please tidy those cupboards 😊
You can come tidy mine if you like..lol
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😂😂😂😂😂😂 was just going to say the same,driving me nuts 🥜
Finally found someone more reasonable, that is taking into consideration that Gadd said it's an exaggeration to convey a feeling and not a documentary. Thank you for a very reasonable and informative view
This yes
Kangaroo Court 😂
Not Koala dear Dr 😊
He did it on purpose. Fish!
😂 had exactly the same thought
He said a few things wrong
He’s joking 😂it’s called “Das humor “ love him ❤
I worked at housing the mad, bad and dangerous to know at Local Authorities for 25 years. Doc, you are setting people right - it's a drama, a story, not the proof someone is actually under a severe and enduring diagnosis.
Thank you for saying this, people love to think everything is black and white, just a small understanding of psychology and human nature shows this is not the case.
If you really believe that sentiment you should befriend her. She would definitely need a friend atm
@@stevenmed6929 as an ex professional Social worker, I don't befriend people with personality disorders. And who are you to tell me what I believe or not? Make friends with her yourself...
Hello Dr Das, thank you for your nuanced shrewd reaction, that is a sign of a true professional and what I have come to expect from you.
I’m sooo glad that you posted this!!! I absolutely do NOT subscribe to ANY kind of shovel and pitchforks kind of “justice” THAT’S ALSO CRAZY isn’t it? Just a question. Guilty or not lying or not unless we’re a judge sitting on a proper bench or a member of a jury then yeah, let’s stop hurting and going after people! It’s gross.
I said the same damn thing..I even said " pitchfork mob"...so glad to see thus post because I feel like I'm the only one thinking this.
I agree.
@@AyitaLightfoot622 definitely not the only one but I think we are in the minority
I went into the interview with an open mind.However the inconsistances bothered me.I didn't think she was mad but I thought she said very vindictive things about Gadd.If she was truely honest I don't think she would have been so bothered to embellish her comments about Gadd with such spite and venom.
Morgan ran to America because of phone hacking of Diana, Princess of Wales- and they dropped the charges - yet he is still here getting on my nerves.
She did not present ""how you or I would've presented," because, as someone else commented, we wouldn't put ourselves in the position of being under the media microscope. And if I did, I wouldn't make cutting remarks about him, nor speculate on his sexuality. I would never admit to having a reindeer toy that somehow just happened to be the name of the show and her alleged pet name for Gadd.
"She presented the same way you and I would have presenred" Most of us would not present at all in that situation. Who goes on the most famous talk show ever to reduce or complain about publicity? Maybe some sleuth had figured it out, but I never would have taken those people seriously. She did this!
She wanted to say she didn't do any time in prison. I'm sure if you were in that position you would want to set the record straight.
@@LadyLuck13 no, I absolutely would not. For one thing, being held accountable for your crimes actually looks better than committing the harassment and stalking without being held accountable, and she did a bad job denying the latter Plus, no one important was believing the whole entire story anyway, or had even heard of it. I watched the series and also frequently watch RUclips commentators, and I didn't learn her name until SHE did this interview. If she has to report things like that to employers and the Bar for legal professionals, that's all she needed to do to protect her job and career. She's clearly expressed that only 20-something morons would believe this, no one important, so it's really her own fault that anyone else made the connection.
@@Somegirl811Unfortunately, you are incorrect. There are people who believed the entire story was true - and not just a matter of perspective - but factual truth. Those self same people sought her out and are making death threats. People who know her are bound to make connections also. This could absolutely affect her enough to make a public statement. It’s like those Karen’s who lose their jobs over a post. Someone important always sees.
She is getting serious hate from this. Mentally ill or not, that is not right..but she's old and fat and he's young and famous now right?
@@KharizmahI understand why she may want to get her truth out there, however I don't think going on TV was necessarily the best way to do it. She could have sent a written statement to be read out on her behalf or printed in a newspaper and the publicity would probably have settled down quicker.
What I want to know is WHY we are all fascinated with Fiona/Martha and knowing the truth about what happened, yet much less so when it comes to “Darrien”. The REAL villain of the story. If I have understood the story correctly, had Richard not been assaulted and taken advantage of by “Darrien” then entire situation with Fiona/Martha may never have escalated to the point it did. If anyone needs to be held to account its “Darrien”. IF Richard’s story is true (and it very well could be) then the chances that “Darrien” only ever attacked him is just about zero. Vile people like that never stop at one.
This!!! Fiona is a distraction from a very serious abuse.
Sad part is, rapes happen everyday, people grew wrongly used to it. Now Martha's character is something that isn't depicted on television so often. So the public becomes fascinated by her
I agree. If so many people in the business are saying they know who he is then they should be letting the police know and help prevent future victims
@@rhausagi Thats actually a very good point ☝️
Darien is Gary Reich. Gadd wrote Nark directed by him. Lives in Camden. Reich is South African. Living room has African decor, played African percussion. Wrote a play, Don Dun Dunderfall, whose main character was Don Danbury (Donny Dunn). Same creepy vibes about the New Moon. Clues are there.
I think that Fiona held her own under immense pressure and scrutiny. I have no idea 🤷♀️ if she is being honest or not. It is good that you are offering contradictory views to challenge the perceptions on social media. I also think that Piers Morgan was promoting click bait and was un-necessarily aggressive
I reckon you're missing a few, real time, pointers. 1. A psychiatrist can only ever base a diagnosis from the person that is relaying their story. He/she has no first hand knowledge of mental health issues. 2. The actress was chosen for the part because of the look & feel of the actual offender, it is then down to the actors portrayal of the character, that will be based on many other things that she has heard, seen or read about. 3. Fiona Harvey has, since the release of the mini series, had many interviews with media, this would make each one more comfortable than the next. As a seasoned PI, I looked for the tell tale signs that I think you might have missed, or just using the wrong methods needed to decipher a complex person/story.
Yes, I've seen a survey done where seasoned Detectives, Interrogation personnel, Special agents watched footage of people being interviewed straght to camera, to work out who were lying & who weren't. Their results were compared to everyday people off the street.
The seasoned Crime Interviewsers scored in the mid to high 90% compared to the regular people at high 60%.
Crime Interviewers notice minute twitching better & have a 6th sense about energy from a liar.
Yes! She knows she will receive scrutiny. That’s why she did the interview Dr.Das! She wants to play up the purported victimization for a future lawsuit. It is very calculated.
I’m struggling with being so neutral about this. I know you say she didn’t exhibit any behaviours that may be interpreted as her having ‘mental disorders’ but you don’t need to be a psychiatrist to know that even the worlds worst psychopaths are incredibly charming when they need to be. Could it not be the case that she is just capable of behaving herself for the sake of this one interview? It’s already documented that she left several hours of highly abusive voicemails after meeting with the Daily Mail journalist. She may not have been ‘lying’ entirely but I think that’s beside the point. She willingly put herself out there in the public domain. She could have had private accounts and not responded to any internet sleuths. I’m sure, if she indeed DOES have any kind of legal background, that would stand more in her favour if she did intend to take on Netflix/ Gadd et al. I’m not entirely sure the public has a preoccupation with the ‘truth’ here, but more where she intends going with her accusations when willingly and rather unskilfully declared herself to be the character and then proceeded to give the audience what they wanted. THATS what is interesting.
Very apt - agree
I totally agree with your points. I like yourself just have a difference of opinion.
Totally agree about not condemning Fiona or accusing her of lying because of apparent contradictions. Memory changes and nervousness makes people speak quicker and make more mistakes. What ever she is or is not, she shouldn't be persecuted via social media.
Yeh and she's 58 prob menopausal aswell. Youngsters don't understand these things.
It's interesting to see how we all as a collective seem to be far more engrossed in the stalking case when in the same series Gadd (Donny) is drugged/groomed/sexually assaulted/raped. I feel the true identity of the Darrien character is the biggest villain. It would be great if their real identity came out. It's safe to assume that Gadd would not be their only victim.
It’s not ‘koala court’, it’s kangaroo 😊
This guy often messes up sayings, probably on purpose eg underwear in a bunch instead of knickers in a knot, blow your own clarinet instead of blow your own trumpet.
He does it on purpose to get more comments.
She got £250 for it Piers must of made 50k. I don’t believe she hasn’t watched the show. Why aren’t we looking to find out who Dareien is
Waiting for this!!!
Great analysis ❤ love your work and personality 😘🤗
So many dad jokes in this one. Koala Court got me 😂
Coco Koala Court
By the way ! This is probably the best analysis I’ve watched on this. Kudos Sir
It’s always good to hear your opinion, you are a criminal psychiatrist… so probably one of the most educated people on YT. After seeing this video, I changed my mind a bit… like I am surely not her fan(or stalker😅) but there’s a bigger picture. Unless there’s a official report from a psychiatrist, we can only speculate. Thank you doctor💜
Finally someone who is skeptical and does not swallow all the comments being made by so called 'experts'. Always be skeptical if you don't see the proof yourself. There are ALWAYS two sides to a story. I'm only interested in the proof that she is the way she is portrayed.
I have more than one email address & I’m not a crazy person or I don’t think I am. But I keep my emails separate family & friends, bank’s & amenities, junk mail, work & others. I don’t see anything strange about that. I for one agree with you, I do think the drama is suggesting it’s her from it portrayal, but I don’t feel there’s enough information to say she the actual stalker & what’s happening is awful. I’m so sorry for her, all this craziness because someone’s memory vague in her interview 😢 technologically that would suggest it’s me & half the country too.
Until any actual evidence is provided, then nobody should be speculating about who’s telling the truth or not.
If she has any previous convictions then they will come out in time, as well as the physical evidence of her supposed stalking of Gadd, or else it’s just hearsay.
This is the first video I’ve seen of your channel and it’s great! I hadn’t even considered some of these points. I am a law student and am planning on going into the police in the future so find this super fascinating. Can’t wait to watch more of your videos😊
Welcome aboard!
How many times in this video did you tell everyone how great you are 😂
Youre very clever and very important.... great 😂
Plus, I've got a mean scrabble game
@@APsychForSoreMinds you're like a modern jesus
@@maryhelen3I like to think that modern Jesus would play chess.
He makes self important grandiose claims more than HG Tudor. At least Tudor acknowledges he's a narcissistic psychopath.
@@Hi-Phi maybe even online poker 😂
I have wondered about that - if Gadd had based the stalker loosely on a Fiona type character in order to truly hide the identity of the real stalker. But it has badly backfired with Fiona getting all the flack.
I think that if no one has looked into her past behavior on social media, previous stalking accusation, etc...I would agree that we couldn't say she was lying based off that interview.
BUT- Her history on social media is eye opening and makes it's extremely difficult to believe her. She accuses so many people of stalking HER (unrelated to his).
Most say she's lying because she lies in current time on Facebook a lot...on top of everything else from the past.
Also, I'm sorry, I follow true crime and watch many trials.....criminal psychiatrists say opposite of each other all the time. So meh. I'm sure you're great but meh lol
Thank You you are a great anchor of reality !
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Love your take. Grateful I'd subbed.
I'm kinda shook everyone is so trusting of Netflix all of sudden.
Welcome!
@@APsychForSoreMinds thank you 🙏🏻🫶🏻
Thank you for presenting such a well-reasoned view. To be honest, I felt much more sympathy for the character of Martha than I did Donny. I doubt we’ll ever know the full truth of this story.
Thank goodness! Some sanity! Totally agree with you! She presented as telling the truth to me. What I am concerned about is how those on social media are obsessed with this. And!!! Other stories/events in recent times, I.e., Princess Catherine. What is going on with people? Blowing things out of proportion/preoccupation with silly or irrelevant things. Is it something to do with coming out of an existential global crisis ? 😮please explain
If Richard or Netflix didn't want Fiona being flushed out and needing to defend herself, why didn't they make the Martha character a tall blond with curly hair and a Swedish accent? I think Richard wanted to see Fiona again because he still wants to know if she cares. He, is in my opinion, stalking her.
Interesting take.
Totally agree you are the voice of reason in what I would call a sea of confusion. Tv/Movie drama has always had licence to go beyond fact. If plays/films/tv series were based entirely and solely on fact then we wouldn’t watch them because they’d be as dull as Sh%t. So Gadd’s creative work was always going to be exaggerated if it was to be successful.
That said, stalking behaviour is very disturbing. I have been stalked twice in my life. I’m in my 60s now but the memory of those experiences stays with me and it taught me a hard lesson in the importance of healthy boundaries. Not that I’m saying that stalking victims are responsible for what happens to them, but even Gadd’s depiction of himself shows what leaky boundaries can lead to.
It seems to me that the truth of what actually happened rests between Gadd and Fiona. Why the rest of us needs to know is beyond me but in one way I’m glad that Gadd made the series because it highlights an important issue that rarely gets talked about in that stalking is complicated.
As for Fiona today, well I feel sorry that she’s been outed and exposed in the way that she has. I watched the Piers Morgan interview and I felt sorry that she was being exposed in this way. True, she would have agreed to go on the programme, but given the level of social media scrutiny I wonder how much choice she would have had.
Interestingly, I found her to be odd in her responses but also truthful in parts. For example, Piers kept pushing her for her legal qualification grades and Fiona kept repeating that she didn’t do an honours degree she just did the ordinary degree. Piers repeatedly asked her for her grades and she simply repeated that she did an ordinary degree. I did a google search of Scottish Law Degrees and it seems that if you do an honours degree it is graded in the same way as an English degree would be. But if you do an ordinary degree you either pass or fail and there are no grades. So in this instance Piers didn’t understand the answer he was being given and Fiona failed to recognise this and kept repeating her answer. All this tells us is that there was a genuine misunderstanding between two healthy individuals!
Stalking is an interesting and complicated thing. It can be disturbing and frightening for the victim, or should I say recipient of unwanted attention. But we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that there is another victim, i.e. the stalker. And I think that this is what Baby Reindeer wanted to get across. There are no winners here, just individuals trying to make sense of their life experiences. And we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that people change over time. The Fiona of twenty years ago will not be the same Fiona of today. Very few people remain the same across their lifespan.
Thank you for this video, it’s good to hear the voice of reason in a sea of confusion.
You made important points. I appreciate your thoughtfulness.
Lots of good points. Do you think it’s telling he has not come out to say anything to say no it’s not Martha as he did with Sean Foley?
I haven’t watched either
I just enjoy watching you! ❤
7:50 “koala 🐨 court” 😂. You mean KANGAROO🦘 court Dr Das ✅
I’m concerned for her and Gadds mental health, this thing has exploded and I fear they’re not equipped to cope with it. I hope I’m wrong….
Thank you for your insight
Really appreciate what you said about people jumping to conclusions as if they have an inside track on the truth. I watch true crime youtubes and am amazed that people think they can absolutely attest to the guilt or innocence of the main character based on a half hour summary that includes a bit of the forensic evidence and some cuts of the witness testimony. It may be our discomfort with handling ambiguity. And it leads to really boring comments! Thanks for your critical thinking skills.
I genuinely hope I never have to deal with a guy like this as a victim in a court of law.
Very interesting. I am though very disappointed to discover that Piers Morgan is not the high level forensic psychiatrist and journalist that we all thought. Next you’ll be telling us that Santa Klaus and the Easter Bunny are not real, please don’t be so cruel.
😂
I find the whole thing “off”, Gadd included
I agree a lot of the perspectives you're pointing out. What about the possibility social desirability bias or impression management led Fiona to lie and make herself appear to be more normal than she actually is to the public eyes?
One thing that makes me think she might not be lying and it looked like she might be in the interview is just maybe she was taking a moment to decide what information she wants to share on tv, like sometimes you have to kind of assess the relevancy of something or asses whether a certain topic is something you want to be scrutinized and this would be x1000 on a big interview like this. For example Morgan started asking about her personal dating life and she had to remind him that was a topic she wouldn't discuss, yet he persisted.
This happens a lot when people are trying to push someone into a discussion where part of it is none of their business
Being flustered and the possible merging of two people into one character are great points
Thanks for the videos :)
I think the e-mails, voice mails are all true, but the rest is heavily exaggerated or made up like the prison sentence. She lied about the number because she didn't want to sound crazy, and would be embarrassed by her obsessive behaviour 12 years later. She did say, "even if that was correct, I still have a case for defamation" and that's true. It was a crucial sentence, picked up by Piers. So she thinks there must be someone else who did all those things, glassed hi,, punched the rans, felt him up by the canal. She is Martha, but a lot of Martha's portrayal is not real. The Doc is very wrong at that point imho.
Yeh, as for the creepy stare, that tends to be reserved for the victim and can be turned on and off at will.
Fiona Harvey was 100% convicted. Netflix have an army of lawyers and would have done their diligence checks belts and braces. No chance either she has a boyfriend let alone a lawyer bf🤣
No, she wasn't. The other main events didnt happen, but the broad story is correct.
@@Globaldave1970 she was convicted but not sentenced
@@mediaeasieruk Why do you think that?
Wow… literally my thoughts, in that exact order 🤯
I found real tweets from her and based on her erratic tweets spanning more than 50 a DAY, I think my discernment is saying she did it. She has a very mean side that was demonstrated in her tweets from years ago.
Yes ... I have the link for the Scottish Times article from 2000 .
At 31 she was briefly hired as a trainee for lawyer Laura Wray in 1997. It was despicable how Fiona behaved in the office. Undermining Laura, stalking her at home, trying to destroy her MP husband's reputation. Abusing staff. Turning clients away. Had to be escorted out of the office.
Just before that she'd been stalking another MP, swearing & haranguing him at meetings.
All the things she did to Richard Gadd. She was born in 1966 & he was 1989.
Apparently she had trainee positions at 3 law firms at the time, but was quickly sacked - she was never on contract as a proper trainee lawyer.
I question whether she was ever engaged as a full time lawyer but only holds a law degree she likes to boast about.
She will never change. She will never mature or get kinder. She will always be a volatile, swearing, attention seeking abuser... only older.
Wow , it says at the end of the show some aspects were changed fir the sake of the drama , he also never nam d her , she came forward herself , im not a believer of either sude , but there are things that are being ignored that are actually really important. Its a drama , not a documentary, she cant sue as she was never named or identified. And gadd said he did not want her found , he wanted her left alone .
I personally feel sorry for both parties in the drama , they both have issues .
Firstxand foremost, Fiona Harvey made a mistake agreeing to be interviewed on television. It was a dreadful performance, and she placed herself at risk of public ridicule. The need to do this has shades of narcissism and bipolarity, à la Amber Heard. That said, she should have been clearer about whether she knew Gadd or not - she vacillated consistently.
The second and more serious issue is that Harvey's identity was made public by《Internet sleuths.》This has some serious issues regarding personal privacy and what we call 《le droit d'oublie》in French (the right to forget). Will this become a trend in the future ? I hope not.
Finally, historian Anthony Beevor says that most war films are unwatchable because they take liberties with facts. Most people lose sight of that. The actress who played Martha in《Baby Reindeer》 played a role, not Fiona Harvey 10 years ago. Most celebrities have a public persona that is very different from their personalities.
And Gadd isn't seeking attention? Double standards for famous people aye?
@@AyitaLightfoot622 My comment is limited to Fiona Harvey, as is Dr Das's analysis. I don't know enough about Gadd to comment on his conduct and motivations at this point. He sold his story and Netflix bought it. We could criticise JK Rowling for her《Harry Potter》series of books as well then.
I read some opinions that criticise Piers Morgan for his having exploited Harvey's psychological frailties. There's clearly something there and this criticism is valid. That said, Harvey volunteered to be interviewed and she said as much at the beginning. According to the opinion pieces critical of Morgan, Harvey now feels she was exploited and wants to be paid £ 4000/lb rather than £ 1 for the interview.
I'm not competent to diagnose Fiona Harvey, and Dr Das has shared a nuanced analysis with his audience. If I understand correcty, Dr Das believes that she's competent to speak for herself, therefore, she's exercising her rights to share her story even if it's to her detriment. My prediction - we'll hear more of a sordid tale before this is over. Meanwhile, I share this analysis of her behaviour and statements. ruclips.net/video/qmqlat0KetE/видео.html&lc=UgzQ4ttLGqTE994-WLB4AaABAg.A3QpvO0lCh2A3QqF3iE8A5
Some interesting points especially about two characters being merged together. I agree that it is weird that there weren’t the usual caveats at the beginning of each episode.
Is it possible that she is now obsessed/stalking someone else which is why she can talk so disparagingly about RG?
Martha’s character was grandiose, lying about the people she worked with, Fiona did seem quite self important.
Fiona identified herself as Martha, RG didn’t, even though she was easily found via the curtains joke she could have gone one PM to say that she definitely wasn’t. She was saying I am Martha but the facts are different.
The red flag for me was why couldn’t she remember what her degree was. Even if it wasn’t a good degree, if you had a degree even a low grade one you could easily reply to that question but she didn’t.
She now seems to be enjoying her five minutes of fame and various law suit threats that may not amount to much.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 interesting
Spidey does a really excellent breakdown on this interview and the deceptive ways she contradicts herself.
Journalists use FOIA all the time.
Absolutely agree with you on all points Dr Das - real life is not black & white. We all contradict ourselves, our memories are flawed, and most of us would look strange if engaged in an interview with Piers.
Nothing in that interview confirmed that she’s a liar or mentally unwell.
I commented about the interview hadn't helped her at all and I still think that's the case. Thanks for your insight!!
What's the story with the mis-pronunciation of words? "Cantankreous", "Edimication", "Excetra")
(cantankerous, edification and etcetera...)
(I'm presuming that the mis-pronunciation of 'Socrates' was a joke...)
Also, if Ms. Harvey takes a 'defamation' case or similar, her lawyers will be on the prosecution side, not the defense, as you said. Ms. Harvey has been accused of nothing. And Piers Morgan is not called 'Piers Morgans'.
Apart from that, your analysis is (from both a medical and legal perspective) very much on-point.
xx SF
Yes, I wondered this about the words - is there some joke that's going over my head?
@sophielilith8206 He likes to joke!
I had to create over a dozen email addresses to escape my stalker. Plus phone numbers, phone devices, moved entire states across a county multiple times to escape my stalker.
I’m surprised Gadd didn’t do the same and change his email address, his social media etc.
My social media got hijacked by my stalker because he even admitted himself he was ‘obsessed’ with my social media.
Being on the receiving end of a stalker is really really scary and requires often having to change whole lives to escape them.
I understand for every stalker action it takes an equal and opposite reaction because as a victim you’re constantly on the defence. Plus it’s almost impossible to predict where and when and how the next attack is going to come from because technology is so entrenched in our lives, but most people don’t fully understand how even phones work.
I personally feel the Darrien character is way way scarier and more problematic and liable to reoffend. He started the trauma in Gadd with the r***s and grooming.
The whole thing feels like revenue raising for Piers Morgan and Netflix. They’re not showing evidence they have or don’t have because all this controversy is making so much money for them.
I’m not saying Fiona is innocent or guilty I really don’t know. But she had a right to reply, and I think she held up pretty well under intense circumstances.
Baby Reindeer is an accurate expose on how trauma can skew someone and cause them to make bed decisions. The SA scenes were SO spot on.
I personally think Darrien should be the public’s focus because men like that are predators, but predators with power. Fiona/Martha is low hanging fruit who is an easy target to blame in the series.
It’s an amazing show and despite the complexities it’s spellbinding, and I believe Gadd gave Martha humanity. Darrien is scary and the real villain here.
I don’t agree with this. Martha and Darrian are both bad. They are just different. Martha is just an imperfect perpetrator like most and Darrian is seen as more the villain we are used to and comfortable with. In reality we are more likely to run across Martha than Darrian. A mortal villain who is sometimes good and sometimes bad, who we might feel sorry for or even love at times, than Darrian. But even Darrian is out there, as the guy who mentors you and then abuses you or the church leader who abuses your trust. They are all out there. Martha’s character was not the fall guy she was just the one he connected too. He trauma bonded to her and he couldn’t get away from her. When I was being stalked my mum said I feel sorry for him. I’m not violent but I could have stabbed her with a fork. But I recognised watching Baby Riendeer his need to know where Martha was. Because if you know where your stalker is you somehow feel safer, otherwise you don’t know when or where they might be. It’s hard to not go back and ignore them. That’s why so many women go back to violent offenders. It feels safer.
@@Dominique_99 I’m not saying Martha wasn’t dangerous. What I’m surprised about is the person who did the most harm to him, Darrien, his identity is conspicuously absent.
I understand trauma bonding I was also trauma bonded. But I’m unclear what level of risk Martha posed to Gadd as opposed to Darrien.
I also believe stalkers aren’t all the same, which is why they categorise them. My stalker is an ex partner and someone I know from high school. But in the context of a relationship he started and set up his stalker behaviours from the very beginning. Without my knowledge or awareness beyond I knew my emails were being hacked.
I do believe these different distinctions between stalkers matter in terms of risk assessments for victims.
I’d actually argue we’re more likely to come across Darriens than Marthas. Because of the exact reasons you highlight, Darrien is every man in a position of power/trust who uses that power/trust to find victims and cover his tracks. The Darriens of the world don’t just abuse adults, they abuse children also.
I’ve yet to read a stalker story which involves fixation on a child. I’m sure they’re out there, but it seems more adult to adult fixated patterns.
@@Dominique_99 I understand your experience was minimised because of the perception stalkers are mentally unwell. Which somehow diminishes their impact on their victim’s lives.
I agree the impact of stalking is the same regardless of criminal intent or mental illness. So sorry you had this experience from someone you cared about. It’s such a shock, the betrayal. Also very difficult to recover from.
I hope you’re doing ok, and are most importantly safe and able to start recovering 🙏
The merging of characters was very interesting, there is something desperate and off about his side of the story. Not saying she wasn’t a stalker but there is more to this.
I have to agree with the things you've pointed out here. Though, I don't know what it is, but, I don't think Fiona is telling the whole truth. The thing that is glaring at me, is Fiona saying she'll sue, because I don't think she'll have a leg to stand on if she does. I'm sure either at the beginning or the end credits of Baby Reindeer I saw 'based on true events'.
I agree with you.
Can you do a mental health tribunal video
It's kangaroo court not koala 😂
I thought that too, that it might be two people merged into one, to make the story better
I haven't heard of Erotimania. So interesting your content 👍
I agree, the truth is likely to lie in the middle. Writers often have to expand on the truth to make what they are writing more interesting. I think this whole thing might come back and bite Gadd on the backside.
Whether she is guilty of stalking or not, it was disgusting that Pierce Morgan exploited her like that.
Oops, I mean Piers. It was revolting that a possibly mentally ill person was exploited by a piers of excrement interviewer.
@MM-dz3ps She didn't have to do it. People are responsible for their own actions.
Well, she said herself SHE chose HIM. She knows he's got the largest audience and she's now trying to get a million from him.
41 thousand emails. Why didn’t he block her after 5? And blocked her from his phone? Either he was really dumb or like the attention. Probably they both needed each other for different reasons.
The show kinda explains why he kept egging her on and letting it happen.
Idk why anyone goes on Pierce Morgan's show to get interrogated. I agree with him on 90% of topics, but he has no business interviewing anyone on tv.
I’m so glad that you mentioned behavioural analysts because the ones that I have come across aren’t convincing to me, even one that you have interviewed with! Anyway, I really like your thoughts because they are authentic and not jumping on the bandwagon! Even though I do think fiona harvey is martha, you make a good point about this even being her! The character Terri, is not trans in real life, but he did have a relationship with a trans woman! My thoughts when watching the show were that she has histrionic personality disorder, with some sort of learning difficulty, but I dunno! I haven’t really read any comments, nor watched the piers interview, but piers is a bad interviewer. Watch his female prison series interviews, he sides with the most depraved killers (because they charmed him) and barraged the seemingly more genuine women who has committed crime!
Photographic Memory ?
What about that?....does a person need examination to certify such quality ? We cant just say we've Photographic memory, can we?
Gadd is also a narcissist and obsessive.
I hereby award you a shiny "Voice of Reason" medal. Like you I feel that "Martha" is an amalgamation of two or more real people Gadd was inspired by.
Is Erotomania like limerence ?
I agree with your finding, I've said most of this already on the Internet already.
Mannerisms aren't usually written down in the scrpt Dr. Das. I'll share a real (unproduced screenplay or two with you upon request) and you'll see that generally writers allow the director/actor to interpret their characters themselves. I can write a character who can be nice one minute and menacing the next but the most I might tell the read/director/actor at most something like this (formatting is different of course):
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A menacing look crosses Martha's face.
Martha: "Are you implying I'm stalking you Reindeer? Is that it?!"
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And that's at most and only if the character isn't already boiling over from the previous back and forth. Often the actor won't need that much, but this would depend on how good they are, how good the script is and how far into the story they are.
Assuming the real Martha (and assuming it's Fiona Harvey) with all the overblown claims - if that's what they are, she probably will be feeling outed and demonized
Ms. Harvey does appear to have a personality disorder but that's not my field and no one can tell without properly assessing her.
And worse the bloody American lawyers are trying to figure out what will go down if she takes them to court, but since everyone (save for Netflix) is based in the UK, it's UK law that will likely apply.
Yes, very good case for defamation under UK law.
Just a curious question, is there something like the opposite of erotomania? Like someone having a strong delucional beleif that someone hates them and therefor interpret everything as hateful instead of just normal interactions?
Oh yes - paranoid delusions
Yes, it is possible in principle that someone else other than Fiona sent the thousands of emails -- and Gadd merged them together into one fictional character. It is very odd, then, that Fiona doesn't mention that possibility, even when it seems as if Piers is trying to drop hints to that effect.
I’m sure everyone remembers their grade at university? Unless… it wasn’t that good and perhaps she’s making herself bigger than she actually is with regard to her profession? She put herself in that hot seat with Piers.
With her extremely bad spelling and grammar, I don't believe she is anywhere near being a lawyer.
No no I’m with you!😊
If her back story is true about stalking politicians and their families, getting fired from jobs, doesn’t that put a different slant on it? She definitely has a sinister history
Exactly! Not to mention that she went on to leave numerous nasty voicemails after being interviewed by a Daily Mail journalist.
I think because a lot of people had already seen news articles from years ago of her harassment on a family that went on for quite some time and her hundreds of Facebook posts on her page which she had public, so they weren’t just going off the interview. I’m sure one day there were atleast 50 Facebook posts maybe even close to 100 of her typing out her thoughts, so I believe people could see her obsessiveness. Also now Kier Starmer has released that she sent him over 250 emails or something. Yes the truth is likely somewhere in between as obviously the story has been dramatised in some ways.
The scene near the end of that show where he’s listening to that voicemail of her talking about the toy reindeer and how she didn’t have a good childhood, that could potentially lead to a personality disorder or something where someone then develops the same behaviour as Martha, I think people don’t realise this and just assume people just decide to be like that. Let’s say if it is mostly true, I’m guessing that she she just doesn’t realise how obsessive her behaviour is and that it’s not normal to be sending that many messages or she has a hard time controlling herself. Anyway I don’t know but I do think Gadd did a great job portraying a stalker character and what they are actually like in real life.
What was that intro
Food for thought. Mmmm. Yeah I’m going with your end point. Something went on but what that was is still unknown fully.
So many gross inconsistent for a person with a “photographic memory”. Not fair? Ok, she told Piers that she got off Facebook yesterday. Two days after that comment she posted 118 times in one day on Facebook. That’s just one of her accounts. So 100 short emails or texts in one day for her looks normal. Is she lying? I can’t bet my life but if forced, she’s lying.
PS - the 118 posts were basically the same rant about Piers & Gadd over and over.
I’ll just say that if Gadd hadn’t been stalked I don’t think it would have been significant enough for him to do a show or anything about. He was already SAed and that trauma would have been potentially enough for him to work through along with struggling with his sexual identity.
As a survivor of stalking for about 2 years and my ex went to jail twice all of the things you have said crossed my mind before I saw most of the interview. And I didn’t watch the interview on Piers channel because I didn’t want to give her a platform if she was his stalker.
However, after watching her I’ve come to believe she could be Gadds stalker and they just didn’t think it would get so big. It’s not so much the lying it’s also the minimising and the occasional nasty remarks she just can’t help but throw in there. I appreciate that you are much more experienced in this field than I am however, I recognise this from my stalker. He also would minimise and tell lies. I once had someone say I know not is happening because you don’t have any bruises. A police officer told me he told me that he said we were still in a relationship and just had a blow up and I was reporting him to get even. I was like seriously. I’m going to spend 2 hours at the police station terrified crying with a toddler to get even? When I could be at home watching tv, playing with my kids? Maybe some women do that but it was just ridiculous to me. Back then it took the police 2 hours to write a report they were so slow. Anyway, back to Martha or Fiona the fact that she’s now asking for a million dollars off Piers also makes me think it’s her. The mannerisms don’t have to be exactly the same, it was 10 years ago. I also think the humming she does may be coping technique to attempt to control herself she developed over the years so she doesn’t yell at people. Anyway, maybe something to think about Dr Das from someone who has been stalked rather than a stalker.
In the begining Donnie the character types “this is a true story” it is the 100% true story of Gadd writing Baby Reindeer a play about him being stalked. It never appears otherwize and there is a disclaimer at the end of every episode. Gadd has never confirmed the identity of any of the people the characters were based on!
I havent seen BR so had no prejudice watching the Fiona Harvey interview. My thought was she had asd. I don't agree she's mentally ill. The biggest diservice Piers did Fiona was not knowing what an ordinary degree was and the comments hung her for not remembering her grades.
Sorry , you got the wrong marsupial. Its a Kangaroo Court not a Koala Court . I get this image in my head of a bunch fuzzy little Koalas sitting a gum tree pontificating over Fiona Harvey! LOL.
That's why he said it!
It happens all the banana
She is been starked by the internet. I want to know why am I so captivated by it? Finally she gets her just dessert? Can you please look into theses questions. I have only seen snippets of the program. Who sits at a bus stop all day, how would they know this? Netflix didn’t care about Fiona’s identity. Otherwise she would of been a thin 3O Year old woman, said she was welsh and changed the postings. Why do we need to know the truth? It feels fascinating but icky.😱
You mentioned that Fiona didn't allude to having or wanting a relationship with Richard Gadd, but would have if she suffered from the illness associated with some stalkers. However, don't some stalkers move on from one person to another? Additionally, if a person has a personality disorder( I don't mean Fiona, as I think it would be unfair on her to assume or guess that she has a disorder, I'm talking generally about some stalkers) don't they often have a very black or white view of people, so either they are 'for' you or 'against' you? Meaning a stalker could switch from feeling they had a romantic relationship with someone, to intensity disliking that person over some action or perceived slight.
Dr Das you should fo a breakdown on Gadd. He's admitted he had drug and alcohol plus mental health issues. n His perceptions were probably pretty screwed up too.
She didn't seem dangerous or scary in her interview.
Sociopaths etc can be very charming. That’s not to say Harvey did behave as claimed of course.
@@StillAliveAndKicking_ you thought she was charming?
@@martalisabrondin9390 I didn’t say she was charming. I’m suggesting that sociopaths etc can deceive, and can appear charming, or pleasant, or even charismatic. Ones I have known are charismatic, that’s commonplace. In other words, we can’t read anything into her behaviour during and interview, unless there’s something blatant.
Yes I wondered if he'd merged a few people together either purposefully or because of his drug taking.
Seemingly her nephew said she served4 mth in prison she’s 100%lying
Thanks for the video!
But please, always be plugging ...silently.
JMA