1. The Majority Text: Divine Preservation and Christian Reason
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I do really like your videos about Bible translations but I’m not a Calvinist.
45:20 -> There is the "Analytical-Literal Translation of the New Testament -Third Edition" by Gary F. Zeolla (uses Robinson-Pierpont textual basis). Also there is the MSB (Majority Standard Bible).
Kongebarn has a good video to see. It's Proof that the textus receptus & traditional text preceeds the critical text.
Hey Pastor Matthew, is there any additional resources on the majority text position? Books? Scholars? Websites? Thanks.
God's breathed words already tell the unsaved how to be saved and born again believers everything we need for life and Holiness, beginning with hearing the Gospel of our salvation for faith, and justification and regeneration upon believing in Jesus Christ, then learning about all else that obtains under Grace. This is found in the New Testament Epistles specifically addressing the Body of Christ under grace not law.
Also, the Bible, all Bibles that teach the doctrines found in the NKJV, Niv, Esv, Lsb, Nasb, Csb, modern KJV, 1611 KJV, Nrsv, and other like Bibles, are fine ones as explained by the translators of the 1611 KJV in their letter to the reader, which, for some strange reason, has been removed from modern KJV's.
All fine translations also, refute false teachings like those of Roman Catholicism, Calvinism's 9 points-not just 5 called TULIP, Arminianism, etc. and cults like Seventh day Adventism, Jehovah's witnesses, Mormonism, etc.
We are truly blessed with a plethora of fine English translations.
Praise to God for the treasure trove of Greek New Testament Manuscripts, may the Lord Jesus Christ reveal even more mss., especially papyrus mss.
I like World English Bible (WEB), It's translated NT from Byzantine Majority Text.
I also like KJV, ASV, NET too.
WEB translates πορνεία as some sexual sin.....when any sex, out of the covenant has its own term...μοιχεία which most have no difficulty that it is translated as adultery....
I like the World English Bible.
Matt, you should start a podcast where you upload this type of content. Would really enjoy listening while on drives.
I agree!!
If you look at his Church's sermon podcast feed (Gospel Fellowship Presbyterian Church) on Spotify or elsewhere, he has uploaded the audio of a few recent videos. Enjoy!
There's an iPhone app called Tubecasts that I use to access these RUclips vids in audio format. It's pretty convenient. Just copy and paste the url and it'll turn it into a podcast for you.
@@christianchavez4086 Or just listen to the video from the RUclips app in your car. I can’t imagine what’s the difference. Using the RUclips app you don’t have to do any copy and paste and you just press play.
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The main differences are that streaming audio uses less data and you can lock your screen while it continues to play (without ads) and it’ll pick up where you left off if you pause it. It’s pretty useful.
Thanks for giving us your views on this important issue. Appreciate it.
Excellent content! I lean CT, but love many different translations. This video made the best and most comprehensible case for the MT position I’ve ever heard. Makes me want to read the KJV and NKJV even more than I already do. Almost thou persuadest me to become MT…
Thank you for this well-reasoned defense of the Majority Text position.
Thank you for this!
Wow this is great timing
Thank you very much!! You did it!
I can't wait to listen to this tonight. thanks for doing this!
Thank you.
Thanks for this.
Thank you for this
I read the NKJV for the majority of my study and enjoy the ESV, NASB and Amplified Bible on the side. I am not a scholar, but I love the tools available today!
I also pray before my studies that the Holy Spirit will help me understand God’s Word.
Thank you for your vlogs. May God continually bless you!❤❤❤
NKJV is Textus Receptus while the others omit verses from the Bible because they are based on the Critical Text which keeps changing even though the Bible never changes. You may want to check out the MEV or even the earlier Geneva Bible.
Thanks Matt. Looking forward to finishing this up later.
Appreciate you brother.
Thank you again, Pastor Everhard! This is brilliantly presented und very convincing!
Loved it !
World English Translations (WEB) is
1. Majority Text!!!!!
2. Traditional Renderings
3. Thoroughly contemporary
4. Public domain!!! No royalties or permissions, it belongs to the people.
No, its bad.
Thank you 🙏
That was a good listen Pastor Matt, learned quite a bit.
Having watched so many debates on this issue; this presentation by Matthew Everhard is by far the best & most logical one I’ve come across. He just makes so much sense! Would love to visit his church if ever I make it back to the USA from here in Australia. Absolutely love his RUclips channel!
Thank you Pastor. I listened to the whole thing. This position does make sense.
Luxurious in breadth and coverage. Really enjoyed. Thank you.
Gold! praise God for this! Please expand on this topic, this video will become a resource for many! Excellent!
Excellent video, brother. Has provided much food for thought as I consider these matters.
Very helpful. Thank you.
Thanks!
Thank you
Excellent!
Very nice presentation.
Awesome video, very educational! I've been going back and forth on the different manuscripts, this was very helpful. Thanks!
Amazing. Thanks for sharing.
So persuasive pastor. Thank you so much for this work.
Awesome job brother! I've been studying this issue year after year. I have came to the same conclusion. Great job!!
Thanks, Matthew. That was a great explanation and overview of the MT.
This is excellent! Thank you for this.
This was VERY informative. Thank you!
Thank you Matt, this was very helpful indeed. God bless you brother 🙏
Wow great video!
I appreciate your thoughtful and clear points in this video. I'm a TR guy, but I enjoy your charity and clarity!
excellent video, Pastor Matt
I’m a TR guy but, man, this is mighty persuasive for MT
Thank you so much!
👍 great video!
Amen
So helpful!! Thankyou!!
Thank you so much for this explanation. Very informative and helpful to those of us who are interested in translations.
Thank you very much for this. Been looking into this for a while now and this is the first time I've found clear and helpful information.
Thank you Pastor Matt- The very best translation is the one you read or so says the old bromide. ( but not always). It is true that God has preserved his word and thus the majority text does answer that call, succinctly. Praise be to God for this and the NKJV.
This video is gold! Thanks for sharing, Pastor Matthew. I do hope this minority position gains traction within scholarly circles and the Church as a whole. Love you lots, brotha!
Excellent job, brother. You have taken a complex issue and made it as understandable as any presentation I've seen. I have preached from the NKJV myself for over 35 years now, and I also simply explain significant differences in the texts when they arise. I have found that this approach has actually helped to strengthen my congregation's trust in God's word.
Very good analysis
Very well done.
Great video, very informative.
Great video
Well done Pastor! A clear concise explanation. I enjoyed it very much.
Excellent presentation. One reason my favorite modern translation, while based on the Textus Receptus, is the NKJV, because it tells me the Majority Text reading, as well as other readings. I don't disparage the Critical Text, and I love translations based on the Textus Receptus, and not just the KJV, but the Tyndale, Coverdale, and Geneva Bible translations. I can have my cake and eat it, too, so to speak.
I have not gone to a Majority Text translation per se because the NKJV apparatus does it for me, but I have the ESV and NASB 77, and hope to own a Legacy Standard Bible soon.
Thanks so much for this video. The Majority Text view does it for me.
One of the reasons I like the NKJV as my ‘foundation’ text.
I personally love the ESV, and it’s the translation my church uses.
The NKJV notes really help here, you get informed about it all.
I use the NKJV for my personal study and devotion as well. I love that it gives me all the textual variants so it's basically like having a TR with all of the CT and majority text variants.
I like the ESV too. But whenever I'm reading it I find that I really miss the italicized supplied words.
The Berean Standard Bible does the same from a CT perspective and, like the NKJV, largely avoids subjectivity but just notes the variant readings.
Put the ESV beside the KJV and compare. How many changes will you find? Ask yourself why? Whats been deleted and what's been added? Why?
Awesome video, very useful info. I have over the years come to the Majority Text preferred view of manuscript families. This is one of, but not the only reasons, that I landed on the NKJV translation as my main. While I do enjoy others, I feel as though the NKJV is as close to an English Majority Text translation as we have in print, and the footnotes are only second to the NET imo, noting major variants across manuscript traditions. Unchanging/not updated, classic sound with modern English, and multiple editions from Thomas Nelson, it's a great all around translation. Very interesting video!
I agree JMac!
Using the WEB for the New Testament and MEV for the Old Testament might be even better for getting the true Majority Text in translation.
There are some Majority Text translations available and in the works: WEB (World English Bible), EMTV (English Majority Text Version; this one is a one man translation and digital only), and MSB (Majority Standard Bible) is currently in the works.
WEB changes stuff.
I like the WEB.
@@americanswan The WEB change stuff.
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Go ahead. Tell me what was changed.
@americanswan Psalm 145:13, 1 Chronicles 20:3, zechariah 9:17, 1 tim 6:20
Most Excellent. Thank you for your scholarship and VERY CONCISE, CLEAR presentation. When first saved 38 yrs ago, my pastor was a Pennsicola Bible Institute grad. He left KJVO position through study and noted that Hills' deviation from evidence to mystical explanation for variant readings in the TR, which I too found after 4 readings. This was a great presentation
Excellent video Pastor Matt!! This is just me but it is common sense to gather all the information one can and simply overlay rather than a finite view.
More and more agreement because of a steadily narrowing pool as we approach the present.
@MatthewEverhard I have never, as a Free Will, Dispensational, Baptist, agreed more on a textual issue with a Calvinist, Covenant Theology, Paedobaptist, than I do with you in this video. Excellently presented.
I was not familiar with this topic at all, Pastor Matt. Thanks for this presentation.
I love your "lopped off - toes" analogy! LOL!
Thank you brother Matthew!
You have put the arguments fir the MT in a concise and understanding way for me . I’m at the moment in the CT camp but would like to see or hear a critic of this video from a worthy CR opponent such as Dr mark Ward or Dan Wallace , Dr James white or even Stephen Boyce .
You definitely have grabbed my attention with this video .
Solid analysis, Matthew. I agree with your take on Edward Hills' position. KJO advocates often laud his work but he is more a champion for the MT than the TR, as a careful reading of his work makes clear.
Excellent presentation wrote a book on the weakness of modern textual criticism by using a minority group of manuscripts in a local area
Thanks for this video! Very interesting thoughts. I usually hear that CT scholars are trying to figure out the why behind certain variants like did they "fix" a hard reading or was it an easy mistake to make or did they import marginal notes that were not part of Scripture or leave out marginal notes that were supposed to be in the text. I thought the geographical majority and the map of the journeys of Paul to be particularly compelling arguments for the MT.
I would also love to see a mainstream Bible based translation based on the Septuagint, as the Bible that Jesus and the Apostles quoted from (or the earlier Hebrew behind it).
God bless!
World English Bible is a Majority text (I believe Robinson Pierpont),but it hasn't been picked up by a major publisher. I wish it would.
Isn't it, though, largely done by one person? If so, proceed with caution.
WEB is majorly text yes,also Modern Literal Version (MLV) is MT
Scholars use unsound subjective criteria when deciding which "reading" is best. The #1 reason for trusting the critical apparatus of the Majority Text is its objective nature. Doctor Everhard's well-reasoned argument for the Majority is compelling.
So WHY is there no published Bible that is solely based on the Majority Text? Maybe that will be answered in another video.
I have been a MT advocate for years I didn't know there were others lol.
Be encouraged. There are many.
Very straightforward presentation of the Majority text. I’ve been trying to find a purely factual source of information in a SEA of KJVO and anti-KJVO people. No I do not believe that the KJV is the only translation. I just cannot get behind that. What I can get behind is the Majority Text position (which I’ve just learned about through this video) because it appears to be a very thorough treatment of our manuscripts. This position check out to me.
WOW!! What a blessing! Matt, this is the best summation of the Majority Text position I have EVER seen presented on RUclips! When did you change your opinion regarding your preference for the Critical Text? And would you consider publishing your conclusions in book form? I think a lot of preachers and even some laymen would LOVE to have a documentary resource from the Majority perspective to refer to when discussing difficult readings or the differences between English translations!
Love this, Matt. I use the NKJV because I feel like it gives me the best of both worlds, although I often consult the CSB and LSB.
This is so interesting!
Thank you.
Does anyone know if the WEB (World Englsih Bible) that I see online is based on the Majority Text?
Yes it is, I use it at the moment,the Modern Literal Version (MLV) is also based on the Majority Text
In regards to textual basis, it seems to me like using the WEB for the New Testament and the MEV for the Old Testament is the best method of Bible reading for getting the true Majority Text in translation.
Like bros Peter Masters, Joel Beeke and Henry Morris, I am KJB preferred….
I attend an ESV church…
Bless you
I would love to hear you and James White discuss these points. Thanks for the presentation. Excellent!
Agreed on the curious disparagement of the manuscript tradition by so-called Confessional Bibliologists
I'm a majority text advocate and it's these type of arguments that lead me to that position. Hence, I read and study from the NKJV (closest popular translation to the Majority text).
NKJV is still Textus Receptus, but I believe it shows Majority Text and Critical Text readings in the footnotes. The only translation I know that could be considered majority text is the Eastern Orthodox Bible (New Testament only), which is translated from the Patriarchal Text of 1904 that used the Byzantine Text-Type.
You are correct. I will point out however that the Majority text differences are far far fewer in the NKJV than the Bibles that use the critical text thus making the NKJV closer to the Majority than the others.
WEB and MLV are majority text translations
James White said the tenacity of the NT. Jigsaw puzzle with extra pieces.
Daniel Wallace called it an embarrassment of riches.
6,800+ Greek NT manuscripts
400,000+ Minor Variants (Wallace and Barr Ehrman)
2,000+ major variants (Bruce Metzger)
Psalm 12:6-7 KJV
Read the notes about Psalm 12:6-7 left by the KJV translators in the margin, they contradict you... And don't forget: they were inspired 😂😂😂😂😂
My main critique is that just because something is the majority doesn’t necessarily make it right; we can look at the current political situation in the US to know that that is true.
Let’s take the long ending of Mark for example. I wouldn’t’ call myself a critical text advocate, but we’ll put me in that camp. Let’s say we found the original gospel of Mark that he wrote with his own hand, and we could know that for certain, and it contained the long ending of the gospel of Mark. My position on the long ending of Mark would change instantly. But by contrast, if the reverse were to occur, and the original that we discovered was found to not contain the long ending, the majority text position and the textus receptus positions would not change. That’s a huge problem.
What material should we read to learn more about the Majority text position?
Grace and peace from Brasil if you have this subject in PDF or another form send to me
Could you produce this list as a PDF or a for sale booklet?
Jesus said search the scriptures they testify of me!!!
The Jay P. Green Sr. Interlinear Hebrew-Greek-English Bible is wonderful, expensive. The New Testament is based on The Received Text & the Old Testament is a literal translation Masoretic Text.
In my way of thinking the Majority Text IS the received text. As we received it from God!!
Which Majority Text?
Just for my understanding, does the MT include the Alexandrian and Western texts among the manuscripts considered, or is it just the majority of Byzantine?
Also what is the date range for the MT manuscripts that are considered? I assume there has to be some kind of a cutoff.
45:20 -> There is the "Analytical-Literal Translation of the New Testament -Third Edition" by Gary F. Zeolla (uses Robinson-Pierpont textual basis). And there is the MSB (Majority Standard Bible).
My 3 goto bibles I use: A) Analytical-Literal Translation of the New Testament, B) KJV, C) EOB: The Eastern / Greek Orthodox New Testament
If Presbyterians believe in the majority text why do they practice infant baptism? I attended a presbyterian church service and the pastor admitted it's not in the Bible but proceeded to baptize an infant anyway since it's part of their tradition. What about Sola Scriptura?
Hi! What do you think about the 1 John 5:7 in the textus receptus?
Pastor, How much, then, percentage wise, is the ESV aligned with Majority text? Upper 90's?
What do you think about the legacy standard Bible, I just started using that as my primary translation?
I'm sure he'd like it. But as hes said, he's an advocate for the textus receptus/MT family.
He uses translations such as Esv and others I'm sure. So he isn't against them. He also believes they are good translations. But would prefer the KJV family of scripture.
The TR is the actual majority text.
As a side note, the World English Bible and the Gideon version of the ESV do seem to prioritize the majority text, but they are hard to obtain in a quality printed form.
World English Bible is coming out soon with a Leather edition soon.
The Gideons used the NKJV until Harper Collins bought Nelson (and Zondervan) and disallowed it. It's a knock against NKJV now IMHO. To its credit, Crossway jumped in and worked with them to produce a more TR-based ESV. Hopefully a lesson to the owners of the NKJV copyright.
I'm not intimately acquainted with the WEB, but one concern it that it's largely the work of a single translator, Michael Paul Johnson. However well meaning and qualified he may be, I'd be cautious about such an approach.
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It was my understanding that he had a handful of volunteers helping him but I could be wrong. It's cool that he made it Public Domain, but I agree that translations completed by a single individual cannot be taken very seriously.
The situation you mentioned with Harper Collins is definitely a bummer. It's pretty uncomfortable having a secular authority over one of our major Bible translations. Just glanced at their site and saw "The Lesbian's Guide to Catholic School" on their homepage. Thankfully, we do still have a wealth of English Translations and the coming centuries should continue a faithful yield should the Lord tarry.
@@christianchavez4086 Yeah, it's like evangelical translations being published by Cambridge, which loudly proclaimed its support of gay pride month.
@@sbs8331 Why would Harper Collins not want the Gideons to distribute the NKJV? That sounds like a poor business decision to me.
This is absolutely amazing! What translation would you recommend for someone looking into a Majority Text Bible translation? Also do you happen to have any books on the subject?
Burgon made the point that texts used by the churches would have worn out and copies would have been made while texts not used by the churches would have survived longer.
May be, but this is, to use a term I hear on Law & Order, facts not in evidence.
@@sbs8331 It's called testing an hypothesis.
@@jamessheffield4173 How does one test something like this? Not being snarky, just genuinely curious. It's been decades since I read Burgon; did he consider this a hypothesis or just a TR defense?
@@sbs8331 Buy two of the same books, put one on shelf, read the other every day, see which one wears out first. Otherwise, your hypothesis. fails Popper's maxim for a theory to be scientific, it must be falsifiable. Burgon wanted obvious errors in the TR to be corrected. Criticizing, anyone not CT Only is not helpful. Pax