Let's Just NOT call S.T.A.L.K.E.R. "Survival Horror"
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- The more I see the words "Survival Horror" in the same sentence as "STALKER" the more I start to question my own reality. Last time this happened I was riding a horse up a hill only to realize that I was actually passed out in a dumpster. Consumed by THIS one thing that everyone seemingly gets wrong about STALKER, I gave in and actually started deliberately playing "Survival Horror" games in hopes of finding glimpses of STALKER inside them. These games make me need to change my pants in all the wrong ways, unlike STALKER. When the Strider trailer came out, I came and therefore needed new pants, but while playing Alan Wake 2, I shat myself and therefore needed new pants. Notice the difference?
anomaly hitting mod db was like crack hitting low income neighbourhoods
this comment is a beauty
Whose the CIA in this anaology lol
@@Zugbarrh tactical game youtubers
Stalker fans when they get evicted from their house and have to eat stale bread and out of date cans of food (It's just like Stalker!)
Hey hey pal, Watch it. It's a lifestyle.
Anomaly brainrot is the source of most misconceptions about Stalker in general.
Real anomaly and gamma have rotted the westoid's who show intrest in "stalker" ( Im very much not an american trust me)
I'm one of the people who started off with Anomaly, and after hearing a lot of people saying "you gotta play the original trilogy", I did just that, and I've come to appreciate all 3. Now eagerly awaiting S2! I also have to disagree with people saying you can't play them without mods. They definitely are playable and fun on their own, maybe besides having some patches to get them running on a modern PC.
When I found Stalker SoC, I was still a small frog, and I had never played a game with such realistic graphics. I think it was the first game that made me feel dread, I was very uncomfortable but I couldn't explain why, it was the distant sounds, the atmosphere, the bleakness, the loneliness. I remember how gunshots were the most comforting sounds to me, they were trying to kill me, but at least I wasn't alone.
imo the worst part of the modern stalker fanbase is that they think stalker is this hardcore survival game where u find nothing and get lucky if u get a almost broken gun
For me, lab x18 is the scariest place in s.t.a.l.k.e.r, always sweating when I enter, regardless of vanilla or any mod
The OG trilogy can be tense a few times and it's a story driven shooter in a post apocalyptic sandbox(and not on a world scale). The survival horror aspect has been intensified from the MODS and only them. From Misery, to Gunslinger, to Anomaly, to GAMMA. I think it's simple as that. And given what True Stalker turned out to be, all those mods still miss the point of the OG trilogy.
that intro made me glad i subbed to you
the intro made me hover over the unsubscribe button while anticipating what was coming
A lot of my friends have Skyrim syndrome, where every game older than a decade has to be modded into them being unrecognizable. These mods that use the sandbox of the 3 games are fun but its an huge departure from what the original games were. Its like getting a mod for Gmod and treating it like its an similar experience to playing HL2.
Just binge-watched the whole content of Your channel today and look what i found: Finally! One young man with a brain!
i played CoP waaaaaaay back when it came out. I knew nothing about this game, except it was a FPS with creepy atmosphere.
I launched it, new game, like 10 min later i had my first blowout alert, in a bit of hurry i hide in the first thing a saw. It was a snork nest. 10/10 game of the century
I consider stalker like a open world half life, you know, sci fi elements, some horror elements, the majority of time you will fight agaisnt human enemies, but there is some monsters also.
Spot on, mate 🤜🏻🤛🏻
Spot on and well said. Plus there are a few puzzle solving or platforming elements
Actually imagine Black Mesa in Ukraine lol, they'd definitely team up with the Ecologist faction
Good horror is when it happen naturally, by warning you with the blood sucker roar, you know it's something dangerous ahead and better watch out.
Bad horror is when they purposely lock you in a cutscenes sequence force you have to look at the jump scare, like "see look at this, aren't you scared yet? Scream!"
6:33 kill me
id call it a mix of survival, a mix of horror, and a mix of immersive sim, without being too far into one of those things. Like its definitely not as imsim-y as something like deus ex, or as horror as silent hill, but you can see it takes inspirations from both types of games.
Very relevant, great vid !
6:34 had one of the most frustratin clips i’ve ever watched regardin this game.
it’s insane that due to how popular anomaly/gamma is people’s perception of what is stalker is so different to what GSC actually brings to the table, it makes me wonder how the discussion changes as stalker 2 launches and anomaly/gamma only’s playerbase view of stalker gets challenged.
something I think about every time I think about STALKER 2.
I also saw so many purist Stalker fans complain about the amount of cutscenes that the STALKER 2 trailers have showcased, saying that the game is gonna play like Far Cry 3 and not STALKER. Which is funny because all the previous official STALKER games had plenty of voiced dialog scenes, almost as if those "fans" have poor selective memory. lol
@@alter9933 But the cut-scenes never were at the forefront of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and all the press release stuff off the OG games were almost entirely focused on gameplay and the AI.
I was worried the second we saw a gameplay trailer where gameplay was shown with the player having godmode enabled walking out, not using cover and blasting at enemies with no apparent AI other than "if see_enemy=true: shoot".
Same thing. I'm so tired of videos like "This Is The Best Stalker You Would Ever Play (Anomy/GAMMA). No joke, they are good but what about the original series? It's sad to see people forget what these games were truly about.
I just hope devs won't be influenced too much with the modern image of Stalker.
@@Killicon93 "But the cut-scenes never were at the forefront of S.T.A.L.K.E.R."
They are still a major part of the game. Let's not forget the numerous times in Clear Sky where Scar has to talk to the Clear Sky members in LONG voiced text dialogues.
Also, the people who played the Gamescom demo said that STALKER 2 still plays like STALKER, so your "godmode" complaints are now unfounded anyways.
I was only able to experience stalker through videos because I don’t have a pc. I’ve been waiting patiently for stalker 2 to come out on Xbox and I just bought call of Pripyat on ps5 so I’m grateful to experience it finally. I’m seeing a trend of negative comments about stalker 2 and it’s coming from spoiled pc gamers. I know there’s going to be so much complaining when it comes out because it doesn’t specifically align to everyone of their ideals and expectations.
I always planned on modding stalker (I play CoP with the gunslinger mod) but honestly modding is such a hassle now. When I first got into PC gaming I put hundreds of hours into just modding games and now I just want to play vanilla instead.
This channel got me to give Clear Sky a chance (I was gonna skip it after Shadow of Chornobyl) and I don't even want to mod it. I like them the way they are. The character models are rough, sure, but honestly the engine has aged fairly well when it comes to environments (I mean Chornobyl irl is pretty barren and brown so it depicts the area perfectly)
2:11 oooooooh that's another definition of "First Person Shooter" i never thought through xD
I got to know the Stalker franchise by playing the original Stalker trilogy and continued with Stalker Anomaly which itself kept me playing for over half a year straight without playing any other game. Then I started using addons in the mod which stretched the playtime even more. Some days ago I decided to try out a few mods for the original games and just finished Stalker Mystery Of The Zone (mod for SoC) yesterday. Right after finishing the mod I started playing Stalker Last Fallout Overhaul (mod for CS). I am already curious to play a mod for Stalker Call Of Prypjat. Don't know yet which one it's gonna be.
The point is: Stalker just doesn't let me loose. Even after playing some other games in between my Stalker sessions I always come back to Stalker, be it Anomaly, True Stalker or the mod I am playing right now. I even learned a little bit of scripting, started making addons to contribute something to the game just because I love it so much. Despite playing other games too there is something inside me that pulls me back into the zone every time after a while.
I am so curious what Stalker 2 Heart Of Chornobyl will bring, what the zone, this world that we all know and love for what it is, will look like reborn in fresh state of the art graphics. How one will perceive the zone, how A-life 2.0 will contribute to its liveliness. How GSC will progress the lore of Stalker.
I just hope the game won't be a dissapointment considering the community's high expectations. I mean there is a reason why the official Stalker Discord has a Stalker 2 suggestions thread. One can only wait and hope, time will tell . . .
Survival horror games were not focused on jumpscares and moment to moment fear, it's about juggling lacking resources to survive enemies that are stronger than you
This trend stared with walking simulator games like Slender, and then with Outlast, where devs throw out decision-making and tension of fighting or running for these cheap jumpscares
Survival horror is closer to STALKER than you think, they too use a mix of scripts and simulation, and they too can get to the point where you have too much ammo to fear anymore
Thank you, Spicy Dong, I appreciate your penetrating perspective. You gave good examples that thrust deep into the core of this discussion.
outlast is still really good tho :P
@@Dirtboy37 Yea, it was ok, but "run away or hide" horror games usually don't feel like they give good flexibility and depth in gameplay
I'm craving more games like SIGNALIS, RE2R or maybe even SH2 (though it's too easy to beat almost everything with a stick)
It's hard to find something that doesn't use clunky camera angles and doesn't focus too much on action or just makes you almost completely disarmed
@@spicydong317 tbh I thought sh2 had terrible clunky gameplay and would've worked better as a "run and hide" game
Wait, stalker is an immersive sim? As someone who sunk a ton of hours into Prey 2016, it makes sense now why I'm addicted SoC 😂
maybe the video wasnt for this but it made me realize that I do actually like horror, just not the engineered one, I cant stand that one like you, but meanwhile, I fucking adore those tense organic experiences I get while playing stalker games and their mods, and I cant really find them outside for the most part, thanks you for making this well put together video, made me understand the difference between what usually is called horror and what I think should be called horror
And the zone it doesn't give dame about u that's the best part 😂, ur just random man in the zone
Stalker didnt scare me much but some time ago I replayed CoP with gunslinger and oh god. I went to bloodsucker lair without a pistol so it was either flashlight or a shotgun. I was hidden behind some rusty boiler while bloodsuckers were running around and flashing. Im not sure if it was a bug but they were glowing somehow. I was standing there shitting myself and every few seconds a bloodsucker flashed before my eyes and I started shooting in panic. First time a game scared me properly
I never understood people that jump straight into a modded version of a game before playing the original. So what if the game is old? Sure it's buggy but its not game breaking, its fun and totally doable. All it takes is lowering your standards a little, and if you can't do that, then don't play, stick to your modern slop that takes up half your HDD. By playing the originals first you also extend your pleasure and enjoyment of the game, because when you start with the "worst" and keep getting better, your enjoyment will rise every time you play a new mod. When you start with the "best" version of the game, and then maybe you want to get more out of the game, anything you try will feel inferior to what you experienced.
This the first video of yours I disagree with. GSC themselves marketed Stalker as a horror game.
how dare GSC disagree with me
mmm? What? I am pretty much sure it was initially marketed as open-world immersive first person shooter
Well, you're wrong lol @@OmegaEnvych . Number one, those two things can be true at the same time but number two, on the official ShoC site, they describe the zone as "eerie and full of constant danger," the box art which is itself horrific, describes the Zone as Hell. Initial trailers highlighted the mutants and the x labs. If horror wasn't a part of the vibe, why include it? Additionally, CoP and the subsequent steam releases are all labeled with horror tags as well as shooter tags. Saying Stalker isn't horror, it just does it is like me saying Stalker isn't a shooter, it just does it.
Hey Albert, I don't disagree that horror is a part of STALKER, I think that's clear in the video. I just wanted to compare STALKER to horror games and argue that it doesn't quite fit into the genre. GSC currently defines STALKER as "one-of-a-kind, featuring the elements of a first-person shooter, immersive sim, and horror" the order of which I think is intentional.
@@cantgameright I don't think there's a literal primary, secondary, and tertiary order to it is the thing.
Regardless I've enjoyed your content and 100% agree with pretty much everything else you've discussed previously, particularly the "hot chocolate" analogy. I kind of feel like your points in this video hold up better when talking modded Stalker as the example though, since most of them minimize the horror aspects in favour of "survival" mechnaics.
Huh, ig I'm the weird one since Stalker for me feels more Post Apocalyptic than horror. The atmosphere in Stalker got that feeling of Desolation but your not alone.
No apocalypse happened in the STALKER universe tho, just a scientific experiment that went out of control and resulted in creation of the anomalous Zone. At this point people would nonchalantly call anything "Post Apocalyptic" that has a depressive setting or feel to it, lol. STALKER is the clearest Sci-Fi FPS in existence, does have some horror & survival ELEMENTS to it, but "Post Apocalyptic"? Leave that to Fallout & Metro universes, u know, those where the actual World's End took place.
ngl there is only one game that made me scared for real - biohazard 4 the village first level, i'd sometimes pause the game if caught by the chainsaw guy and turn off the computer because i didn't know how to turn it off
holy poop that game traumatized me when I was a kiddo. I traded 007 Everything or Nothing on GameCube games with a friend who wanted to play it... he gave me RE4 and possibly is the reason I avoid "survival horror" to this day
bro you need so more attention
The only reason I played stalker anomaly was because I finished all 3 ( Played clear sky then CoP then shadhow of Chernobyl) and played it as a "sandbox" mode for stalker CoP though it is kinda like clear sky but anomaly is very much it's own game. Also expect Heart of Chernobyl to most likely change factions its gonna be much different from Anomaly because it's not a real thing and different from SoC bro closer to CoP and clearly skies.
where is this clip from? 2:47 looks really good
It's from a STALKER 2 teaser
What mods were in the video. I know that Radiophobia 3 and MOTR were used but what else were in the video
So yeah, it's radiophobia, memories of the zone, CoP ABR, and Vanilla Clear Sky.
tomorrow the developers will show the gameplay of Stalker 2
No way José fingers crossed that we get to see it!
Correction, apparently even today, local time@@cantgameright
whats the first game and what mod?
Did anyone get the clip at the start? 😂
I know you did!
@@cantgameright 😁
what is the modpack in 0:13? looks dope
its not anomaly i dont think.
It's a standalone mod called Radiophobia 3. It's basically SoC with Anomalyish gameplay.
@@Caes3r_ great, much obliged
0:39 what game is it?
'tis Ghostwire Tokyo. It's okay so far. Only about 2 hours in.
Jump scares are cheap. They add nothing to the atmosphere or greater meaning. They are quick tricks usually employed exactly to obviate the lack of atmosphere and greater meaning. SUDDEN NOISE AND FLASHING IMAGE. Well, thanks for engaging my lizard brain, exactly what I don't care about engaging when I play a game or watch a movie. Jump scares have to be earned with me. I want my mind to be fu#%ed with, not just the lizard part of it.
Try stalker gamma, and you'll find real horror
GAMMA isn't even scary LOL
@@OperatorRice You didn't get my point did you, the repair and scavenge mechanic
I was thinking stalker isn’t a horror game, but it’s a survival game. Then remembering streloks hideout.
I'll never call the game "survival" if I'm entering a shootout with 50 bullets to Makarov & exiting it with 70, on the highest difficulty, lol