Mustaine has said multiple times that only ONE of the riffs used in Leper Messiah is his. He’s never claimed to have written the whole song. He even references it on the Joe Rogan interview.
@@cobaingrohlnovo wrong. The part he claims to have written is literally just the the last bar of the solo sections, the syncopated power chords. Not the melody itself, not the chord progression, just the really brief rhythm at the end of a single bar of music. Only take what Dave says at face value if you're able to evaluate whether it's true or not.
Art of guitar aka your playing it wrong if you don't play it exactly like the original artist did on the day no second it was recorded originally. Ever heard of interpretation? Making it your own? Having fun with it? Not even Metallica plays every single note the way they did on the recordings from gig to gig. No artist does.
@@spiderfan1974 I'm shaking my head. The detail of how you play it, is what makes it sound good. It's like i would always play MOP from a tab book when i was a teenager. But then I saw Mike show how to play it properly, I was like of course, this way better. While the other version which most play is kind of like Wall Mart version of the riffs
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The fact that Robert Trujillo plays the bass line of LM just like Cliff could be explained by the band giving him the bass-only tracks of the original records so he could "study" them for live performances
I’ve been telling people for years that LM was partly written by Dave. The first MOP cassette I bought when it came out, listed him as a credit on it. People have argued with me over the years about, but I remember distinctly, him as a credit.
@@SurvivorMetalMan Sorry man but that probably explains the arguments I've the years as there has genuinely never been a credit for Dave on any official release. When the album was released Dave tried to claim he helped write a riff in the songs and metallica denied he had any part in it and still do
Lars does song arrangements that's why he gets writing credits. If Lars didn't hear the sandman riff and said play this after that etc.... . He was the one hyped about the riff and pushed the others into developing it further. If not it would have been anotherthrow away riff. Arrangement is an intregal part of song writing. You don't have to play an instrument to get a song writing credit.
He didn't say play the hook (or coda or whatever) after the riff in Sandman. Kirk was already doing that. But kirk play it after the riff every single time. So Lars told him to play it every three times instead of every single time. Did make quite some difference. But still giving Lars way to much more credit for arrangement, at least when it comes to Sandman
@@Atlas65lars for sure pushed them all to focus on that song...he knew the slow build up with the drums would be the perfect opening....even Bob didn't have that instinct ..Lars with his arrangements and business savvy is why they have reached the level they have...without him they would be slayer at best...no offense to them...but them wouldn't be millionaires
Damn, Andriy, I never cease to admire you. If there was a science called "Metallology" in the world, I'm sure you would be a professor or something. You should be awarded the Nobel Prize. 😂😅
I was listening to the Conjuring for the first time in a while and noticed something. The intro to both that song and Disposable Heroes (and the riff right before the “Back to the Front”) have the same descending progression. Not sure if coincidental or not.
When I discovered AJFA in 1988 I read a Metallica bio and it was directly stated that Dave got pissed when listening to Leper Messiah on radio because he found out they used some of his work for the song and was not credited (they even stated the name of the song in that paper, but I don't think it was "Hills run red" -- I remember the title being much longer). It was also mentioned that Dave got remunerated a posteriori for the work, so everything ended well...
I saw ron mcgovney talk about the hills ran red under a youtube video. He said it was supposed to be a slow song and it sounded like fade to black. He said they scrapped it cause it didnt fit what they were doing at the time. There is a video out there called “metallica’s unreleased kill em all song” and its a slow song so i just assume that song is the hills ran red. That same song was also the intro riff of Megadeth’s sleepwalker
The count in in music theory is referred to as an anacrusis and essentially means it starts on the 4th, 3rd or 2nd as is the case herebeat of the bar prior (hypothetically as there essentially is no bar prior in practice) it could be the 3rd or 2nd or even 3 1/2 or whatever, hope that clears everything up
Disposable heroes in my opinion also has Mustaine in it, that picking was used by Dave few times in Megadeth albums, including last one the sick the dying...
To be fair mustaine stole the Motorbreath riff for "FFF" on cryptic writings. First time I heard Lepper Messiah I thought that slur into the the chord is Mustaine's style. Even if he didn't write the riff (and I bet he probably wrote a proto version) the style of Lepper Messiah is Mustaine all the way. Mustaine arpeggioed chords like in the intro to Jump in the Fire, same in Lepper Messiah in the turn around lick to the main riff. So I always thought heavy Mustaine influence if not ripping him off.
These guys all had the same influences and influenced each other to some degree, there are some Megadeth songs that sound like James style and vice versa but most of that is due to there shared influences
I'm pretty sure that the verse riff in Leper Messiah (the riff when vocals start) is the riff he claims he wrote. If you look at the Megadeth song Psychotron, the verse riff is very similar. Almost the same
new subscriber here, your bass playthrough videos are really easy to follow, great stuff! and I think Leper Messiah was one of Daves I remember reading about it in the mid 90s and Ive always thought it was. also holy shit 7:06 one of my favourite 80s thrash riffs (with the melodic part) I never knew was also a Dave riff heres an idea for you ;D how many Exodus riffs did Kirk bring to Metallica songs? Kirk doesnt write very much but apparently he brought a fair amount of riffs to Master Of Puppets so Im wondering if he had a bunch of riffs from his Exodus days , he made the demo Die By Their Hand with Exodus maybe Gary Holt indirectly wrote Metallica songs haha going to have to listen to those Exodus demos now actually lol
The way Metallica wrote songs was to just take a bunch of cool riffs and try to fit them together. They had full songs by Dave that they used on their first album, but I think it's mostly plausible they had a cool riff that Dave came up with, and either recorded it themselves on a riff tape, or forgot who played it, when they jammed it in to Leper Messiah. Although for all the people who think Mustaine wasn't a huge influence on Metallica, its a good example to bring up.
Lepper Messiah was not written by Mustaine. Dave says all the songs with what he names "spider chord" was written by him...he will claim he even wrote songs for the black album....
They were all aggressive alcoholics at one time some of them still drink and some of them were doing pot and cocaine and shit too so what's your point?
Interesting video, Andrey! But what I would find even more fascinating was did Mustaine take any riffs invented by Lars/James/etc.? Keep em coming and Slava Ukraine!
Mustaine also thinks he invented sliding power chords and intervals that have existed on guitar since its inception but because he frets them a certain way, he invented it. So I'll go with scenario 3, Mustaine didn't write it and just wanted credits on what clearly became one of their most important albums. Jamming to riffs and being in the room when they are written doesn't automatically make you the progenitor of said riff.
True. Following that logic, Black Sabbath would have their own Police searching for rip offs from other Metal bands. It would be a never ending job lol.
@fullshred7595 see that I wasn't sure of... but I kinda knew intuitively he probably wasn't the progenitor of that technique. I like Megadeth and think Mustaine is an exceptional musician, but his ego can be a bit, as you put it, cringe and I can see why he got booted from the band ultimately.
I mean I think it is fair to say that Mustaine was definitely a guy who could play. Arguably probably even better than James even. And he was quite the influence, that he had a small hand into pushing their overall success through the '80s. Again, they found their own steam whenever they carried forward with Jason Newsted in the Black Album, kudos to them for that. That was the official divorce from about everything they had done before.
Well he could and can definitely play but his effect on there success is very small to be honest. What he did with Megadeth especially in the 80s was amazing
Kinda crazy how Metallica's extreme form of cataloging every freaking palm mute and snare hit they have ever played ends up being picked apart, scrutinized, and turned into Alt-Mustaine conspiracy theories :)
Here's my take on the leper messiah 5 count thing: you'll notice that the long held notes in the intro (it goes duh duh duhh, duh duh duhh *duhhhhhh* ) they alternate between being held for 4 beats and 5 beats. The first long held note is held for 4 beats, meaning the 5 count actually makes sense, as the held note that would have come before would have been 5 beats. you could make the argument that the section with the 5 beat held note is actually duh duh duhh, duh duh *duhhhhhh* , not duh duh duhh, duh duh _duhh_ *duhhhhhh* like the rest of the intro, meaning they could still technically be counted in 4/4, however i'm pretty sure that the held note being 5 beats is the reason lars decided to do a 5 count (at least that's my theory) i'm sorry if this made no sense whatsoever i'm not an expert when it comes to time signatures and music theory, i'm just trying to put my observations into words
@@deletedhero5579 I know the credits. That does not mean that they did not use some of Dave's old stuff. Why would he play it l7ve? At that time he hated them.
@@andreasfasold9841 He would have been credited or said he wrote it, in 40 years he hasn't mentioned it once because he didn't write it James did. Also I've never even heard of him playing that riff live apart from now.
I knew this since like 1986 or 87 when i ran into Dave and Dave Jr at Fenders in Long Beach at a TSOL concert. I was 16 or 17, got in the bar through some trickery, walked right up to a circle of like 5 people, Dave and Dave Jr ( who was wearing a Flotsam and Jetsam t-shirt >D ) asked them if they wanted to get high, right there in the open bar, lmao, of course Mustaine said sure, and he handed me a shot of Whiskey is a solo cup. I just acted like a little punk that thought he owned the place, lmao. We all passed around the pipe till the bartender said, hey, you cause can't do that here, lmao. But i asked him directly on who wrote what. an His answers were exactly what would eventually become to be known. Oh yeah, and Mustaine asked me if i knew where to get any blow, lmao. There's more to it as well, but that's literally exactly how it went down. It was 40 years ago i remember it vividly, plus i've told the story exactly the same for as many years.
There are people who will try to claim Metallica have never written a single note in over forty years that they didn’t “steal” from Mustaine the God. It’s quite hilarious.
@@WellsFargo-py5zy I’m calm, I’m just pointing out that there are some real rabid Mustaine fanboys out there who desperately need to believe that Metallica have never done anything good without him.
You can find rehearsal tapes on RUclips from 82-83 with Dave in the band, and hear them playing the middle riff from lepper messiah. Tho we don’t know who wrote it
I would say for sure they wanted to stop crediting him 3 albums in. It was embarrassing they fired him but still using his music. and probably Lars said don't put his name on anything else anymore. Lars be like that lol
Well there was a rumour the album was originally going to be titled disposable heroes but the album concept is different takes of control over people and someone like a puppet master controlling that which includes the soldiers in battle
@@HeathenDance It does, and it'd probably wrong but I remember reading that at one point it was going to be called disposable heroes and then the hands and strings were added after but it's probably not true. The theme of control and master of puppets works for most of the songs on the album.
@@deletedhero5579 And from a marketing point of view, "Master of Puppets" is a lot more appealing as an album name. Black Sabbath's third album is actually "Master of Reality." Quite close.
Well, Metallica ripped off riffs from artists like Black Sabbath, Blue Oyster Cult, David Bowie and Axewitch (Swedish band), which were included, without shame, on their 80's albums. At least. Even the iconic heavy/fast machine gun riff from "One" was taken from the song "Darkness Descends" from Dark Angel. None of these are credited, though lol. So, "forgetting" to credit Mustaine on "Leper Messiah" is the least of their copyright infringement crimes.
@@deletedhero5579 My point is: Metallica aren't exactly shy or ashamed when it comes to LITERALLY rip off someone else's music, pretending it's theirs. As for the Leper Messiah song, we can't know for sure if Mustaine had any contributions or not. Because we were not there. So, it will always be Metallica's word against Mustaine.
@@HeathenDance No but all bands take from other artists I personally like that Metallica are more honest about it and have promoted those bands and given them a higher platform, Lars even released an album called NWOBHM revisited 79 telling people to find out where Metallica got there stuff from and had diamond head out live with them etc. Most bands hide it so I prefer that. I don't believe Mustaine wrote leper messiah especially after hearing the demo he says it's based on.
ok Andrew, I've listened to this tape carefully and I can safly say that the part everyone claims to be "early lm" is just an amateur riff every guitar player comes up with after some time. it has nothing in common with lp, it's just alternating notes of a powercord. so if it is the riff mustaine claims to be his then I can see why he's not credited. because it's not even remotely related
Man c’mon.. Mr Dave”wrote ‘em all” Mustaine is just a thing of the past.. He has no input on MOP.. So - let’s say She wolf is something similar as Disposable Heroes.. well Dave did it Again on his new álbum 😹👊🏻
they never played leper messiah with cliff? dang
What?....😥
WHAT???
Having never played Orion with him is even sadder
@@AndriyVasylenkoI was about to say that
@@AndriyVasylenkoAt least he played The Call of Ktulu But I don't see any when I search it on youtube
Almost 30 years?
Um... It's almost 40 years.
Oh shi
Yeah don't remind me......I'm in denial desperate to avoid a mid life crisis
woooosh
Mustaine has said multiple times that only ONE of the riffs used in Leper Messiah is his. He’s never claimed to have written the whole song. He even references it on the Joe Rogan interview.
Yeah only the main riff lmfao
@@cobaingrohlnovoNo the bridge riff is the one he claims but it's not his
Doesn't sound like a Mustaine riff to me
@@cobaingrohlnovo wrong. The part he claims to have written is literally just the the last bar of the solo sections, the syncopated power chords. Not the melody itself, not the chord progression, just the really brief rhythm at the end of a single bar of music.
Only take what Dave says at face value if you're able to evaluate whether it's true or not.
Dave wrote everything Metallica ever put out lol
Collab between two of the best metallica RUclipsrs! Respect for mentioning Mike from Art of guitar
That’s not really a collab, but a mention of a relevant cool vid by fellow RUclipsr, but ok
@@AndriyVasylenko "Les vrais connaissent les vrais" as we say in French!
Also art of guitar is not a metqllica youtuber
Art of guitar aka your playing it wrong if you don't play it exactly like the original artist did on the day no second it was recorded originally. Ever heard of interpretation? Making it your own? Having fun with it? Not even Metallica plays every single note the way they did on the recordings from gig to gig. No artist does.
@@spiderfan1974 I'm shaking my head. The detail of how you play it, is what makes it sound good. It's like i would always play MOP from a tab book when i was a teenager. But then I saw Mike show how to play it properly, I was like of course, this way better. While the other version which most play is kind of like Wall Mart version of the riffs
The fact that Robert Trujillo plays the bass line of LM just like Cliff could be explained by the band giving him the bass-only tracks of the original records so he could "study" them for live performances
Could be. On the other hand, he plays quite a few songs his way, such as Orion and Creeping Death
They definitely didnt so that
@@ExitStrategy1609 because he doesn't k ow the song
I am so happy I got to see Leper Messiah live in Madrid several years ago
2003?
9:08 soon to be 40 years, mate :/
Everyone knows, Dave wrote everything including Lars' drumming parts.
he even invented Lars himself
i heard he still plays james's and kirk's guitar parts when they are performing live in the backstage,.....that's way he has 2 neck guitar...
But don't forget Ron Mcgovney wrote the first 5 Megadeth albums
@@deletedhero5579 yeah,....and then Lloyd Grant went and formed megadeth
Uhhh no
One of my favorite metallica songs
You mean one of your favorite MegaDave songs.
Bro, I love your videos. Thank you. You are very articulate and I appreciate your hard work.
You're the best RUclips source for Metallica info. Love for you!
Calling Leppar Messiah deep cut is wild
Leppard Messaya
It’s the least played song off of MoP, so yeah it’s a deep cut
Right. Dont you love when people are so confident but wrong at the same time lol@natedog8281
7:39 that's the main riff of rust in peace
or I ain't superstitious
@@ksysinf nah, its deff RiP
Love both bands
I’ve been telling people for years that LM was partly written by Dave. The first MOP cassette I bought when it came out, listed him as a credit on it. People have argued with me over the years about, but I remember distinctly, him as a credit.
He was never ever credited on an official release if any saw a credit it must be fake
@@imagereflection4826 see what I mean. ^
@@SurvivorMetalMan Sorry man but that probably explains the arguments I've the years as there has genuinely never been a credit for Dave on any official release. When the album was released Dave tried to claim he helped write a riff in the songs and metallica denied he had any part in it and still do
Lars does song arrangements that's why he gets writing credits. If Lars didn't hear the sandman riff and said play this after that etc.... . He was the one hyped about the riff and pushed the others into developing it further. If not it would have been anotherthrow away riff. Arrangement is an intregal part of song writing. You don't have to play an instrument to get a song writing credit.
He didn't say play the hook (or coda or whatever) after the riff in Sandman. Kirk was already doing that. But kirk play it after the riff every single time. So Lars told him to play it every three times instead of every single time. Did make quite some difference. But still giving Lars way to much more credit for arrangement, at least when it comes to Sandman
He has had his hand in a lot of tallica songs. Like I said if you work on arrangement you had a hand in writing said song. Facts.
@@Atlas65lars for sure pushed them all to focus on that song...he knew the slow build up with the drums would be the perfect opening....even Bob didn't have that instinct ..Lars with his arrangements and business savvy is why they have reached the level they have...without him they would be slayer at best...no offense to them...but them wouldn't be millionaires
I LOVE that Frantic snare part. Use it forever, please.
My favorite Metallica song!!!
One of the heaviest songs they ever recorded along with The Thing That Should Not Be
Keep up the excellent breakdown videos! Metallica is coming to my city in 2025 and I can't wait to see them.
Damn, Andriy, I never cease to admire you. If there was a science called "Metallology" in the world, I'm sure you would be a professor or something. You should be awarded the Nobel Prize. 😂😅
9:07 Its actually almost 40, which is even more scary
I think the quiet bass fill in leper messiah is actually 3-2-1-0
I’m making a Metallica playlist with all of Dave’s contributions. I’m calling it ‘MUSTallica’
Lol be a short playlist though!
@@imagereflection4826 not if it’s a RUclips playlist. You have the songs from the albums, bootlegs and live material.
@@SantiagoTwelvePackOh yea that's true
@@imagereflection4826 Long enough for an entire album, actually.
@@brandonmurphy8047 3.5 songs and 2 riffs? Not really
There are no fillers in MoP at all.
I was listening to the Conjuring for the first time in a while and noticed something.
The intro to both that song and Disposable Heroes (and the riff right before the “Back to the Front”) have the same descending progression. Not sure if coincidental or not.
When I discovered AJFA in 1988 I read a Metallica bio and it was directly stated that Dave got pissed when listening to Leper Messiah on radio because he found out they used some of his work for the song and was not credited (they even stated the name of the song in that paper, but I don't think it was "Hills run red" -- I remember the title being much longer). It was also mentioned that Dave got remunerated a posteriori for the work, so everything ended well...
7:48 - Hey that's OUR word! 🦰
I saw ron mcgovney talk about the hills ran red under a youtube video. He said it was supposed to be a slow song and it sounded like fade to black. He said they scrapped it cause it didnt fit what they were doing at the time. There is a video out there called “metallica’s unreleased kill em all song” and its a slow song so i just assume that song is the hills ran red. That same song was also the intro riff of Megadeth’s sleepwalker
I'm French Canadian so I've always heard ''Merci'' (thank you) in the silence in the end. I could be wrong.
I always heard "That's it."
That’s lars’ actual counting he’s not trolling…. I used the entire metallica catalog as a source to solve this “mystery”
i always thought god that failed sounded more like old school metallica.
The count in in music theory is referred to as an anacrusis and essentially means it starts on the 4th, 3rd or 2nd as is the case herebeat of the bar prior (hypothetically as there essentially is no bar prior in practice) it could be the 3rd or 2nd or even 3 1/2 or whatever, hope that clears everything up
Ok
One of their best songs ever 🤘
Dave invented heavy metal as the original guitarist for the Yardbirds. British kids used to write “Mustaine is god” on walls in the ‘60s.
Disposable heroes in my opinion also has Mustaine in it, that picking was used by Dave few times in Megadeth albums, including last one the sick the dying...
For some reason this song feels a lot newer than it actually is, sounds like it'd be part of 72 seasons
Based Mustaine
Metallidave forever
To be fair mustaine stole the Motorbreath riff for "FFF" on cryptic writings.
First time I heard Lepper Messiah I thought that slur into the the chord is Mustaine's style. Even if he didn't write the riff (and I bet he probably wrote a proto version) the style of Lepper Messiah is Mustaine all the way. Mustaine arpeggioed chords like in the intro to Jump in the Fire, same in Lepper Messiah in the turn around lick to the main riff.
So I always thought heavy Mustaine influence if not ripping him off.
These guys all had the same influences and influenced each other to some degree, there are some Megadeth songs that sound like James style and vice versa but most of that is due to there shared influences
@@imagereflection4826 I agree, I was being tongue in cheek but it didn't come across.
The intro Sounds totally like a riff Dave would write
It doesn't and it wasn't
The song is Inamorata, of course.
It's true. He even wrote the Declaration of Independence.
Hahahaha lol. This wins!
It was my favorite track on the album when I was a lil skate rat in the late 80s
"that was sick".. Sounds like James!
I'm pretty sure that the verse riff in Leper Messiah (the riff when vocals start) is the riff he claims he wrote. If you look at the Megadeth song Psychotron, the verse riff is very similar. Almost the same
He claims the bridge
@@deletedhero5579 Bridge ironically whitten by Kirk Hamett lol
@@antoniocenteno1483Yea that was Kirk or James
new subscriber here, your bass playthrough videos are really easy to follow, great stuff! and I think Leper Messiah was one of Daves I remember reading about it in the mid 90s and Ive always thought it was. also holy shit 7:06 one of my favourite 80s thrash riffs (with the melodic part) I never knew was also a Dave riff
heres an idea for you ;D how many Exodus riffs did Kirk bring to Metallica songs? Kirk doesnt write very much but apparently he brought a fair amount of riffs to Master Of Puppets so Im wondering if he had a bunch of riffs from his Exodus days , he made the demo Die By Their Hand with Exodus
maybe Gary Holt indirectly wrote Metallica songs haha
going to have to listen to those Exodus demos now actually lol
This channel warms up old bullshit that was nothing but bullshit even in the past
I never realized Skwisgaar's voice was tha accurate
Dave's claim to Leper Messiah is so tenuous it would be like saying James wrote FFF or the intro to She Wolf.
Dave is only claimed one of the Rifts in the song not the whole song.
4:13 Parken in Copenhagen
Great shows 🤘🏻
Megadave 👍 🤘
The way Metallica wrote songs was to just take a bunch of cool riffs and try to fit them together. They had full songs by Dave that they used on their first album, but I think it's mostly plausible they had a cool riff that Dave came up with, and either recorded it themselves on a riff tape, or forgot who played it, when they jammed it in to Leper Messiah. Although for all the people who think Mustaine wasn't a huge influence on Metallica, its a good example to bring up.
Dave influence is extremely overstated and exaggerated
@@deletedhero5579 Dave created Mettalia, the bible, god, guitars and the universe, he is not overexagerated
Bad ass bass by cliff..
8:55 so talented, man
Mustaine might not have created gangsta rap. BUT HE COULD HAVE!!!!!
There is a video on RUclips. MUSTAINE AND BURTON lost songs, Dave is playing that riff on Leper Messiah
Link?
Yea he isn't though and that video is clickbair titled, most of those Jams are just James and Lars
Not true
Lepper Messiah was not written by Mustaine. Dave says all the songs with what he names "spider chord" was written by him...he will claim he even wrote songs for the black album....
what about rough mix songs like the wait, small hours, green hell, the prince and such?
Just asking, what's with Megadeth's "FFF" ? has there been any statement regarding it's similarities with Metallica's Motorbreath?
It's similar, James were that song.
Thank god, the aggressive alcoholic has such a good memory.
Which one lmao
Ahahaha I have the same question
They were all aggressive alcoholics at one time some of them still drink and some of them were doing pot and cocaine and shit too so what's your point?
Lol, you talking about Hetfield or Mustaine? Both have decades long and serious bouts with alcoholism, which is public knowledge of course.
A "filler"???? No one I know dislikes Leper Messiah, we all consider it one of their best songs ever!
What was the fan made black album if the 80s (The orange album) and what is the tracklisting
Here we go again.
I always heard that as 2-3-2-2, not 3-3-2-2.
Interesting video, Andrey! But what I would find even more fascinating was did Mustaine take any riffs invented by Lars/James/etc.? Keep em coming and Slava Ukraine!
Mustaine also thinks he invented sliding power chords and intervals that have existed on guitar since its inception but because he frets them a certain way, he invented it. So I'll go with scenario 3, Mustaine didn't write it and just wanted credits on what clearly became one of their most important albums. Jamming to riffs and being in the room when they are written doesn't automatically make you the progenitor of said riff.
True. Following that logic, Black Sabbath would have their own Police searching for rip offs from other Metal bands. It would be a never ending job lol.
@fullshred7595 see that I wasn't sure of... but I kinda knew intuitively he probably wasn't the progenitor of that technique. I like Megadeth and think Mustaine is an exceptional musician, but his ego can be a bit, as you put it, cringe and I can see why he got booted from the band ultimately.
@fullshred7595Yea I keep seeing people saying that he Invented it lol just ignoring hundred years of classical guitarists and Latin guitarists
I mean I think it is fair to say that Mustaine was definitely a guy who could play. Arguably probably even better than James even. And he was quite the influence, that he had a small hand into pushing their overall success through the '80s. Again, they found their own steam whenever they carried forward with Jason Newsted in the Black Album, kudos to them for that. That was the official divorce from about everything they had done before.
Well he could and can definitely play but his effect on there success is very small to be honest. What he did with Megadeth especially in the 80s was amazing
Kinda crazy how Metallica's extreme form of cataloging every freaking palm mute and snare hit they have ever played ends up being picked apart, scrutinized, and turned into Alt-Mustaine conspiracy theories :)
When are you gonna dive into the new Cliff stuff shared on Metallica's website?
Oh yeah
8:55 epic
There is no filler on Master of Puppets!!!!
Here's my take on the leper messiah 5 count thing:
you'll notice that the long held notes in the intro (it goes duh duh duhh, duh duh duhh *duhhhhhh* ) they alternate between being held for 4 beats and 5 beats. The first long held note is held for 4 beats, meaning the 5 count actually makes sense, as the held note that would have come before would have been 5 beats.
you could make the argument that the section with the 5 beat held note is actually duh duh duhh, duh duh *duhhhhhh* , not duh duh duhh, duh duh _duhh_ *duhhhhhh* like the rest of the intro, meaning they could still technically be counted in 4/4, however i'm pretty sure that the held note being 5 beats is the reason lars decided to do a 5 count (at least that's my theory)
i'm sorry if this made no sense whatsoever i'm not an expert when it comes to time signatures and music theory, i'm just trying to put my observations into words
I also noticed that Lars sometimes gives odd counts live, including 5 and even 7, even on downbeat. So yeah, it could just Lars being Lars
Also, I appreciate your effort to describe all that stuff textually!
@@AndriyVasylenko i try, i did struggle a LOT putting all that into words and i'm still not sure if it makes any sense :,D
At a Megadeth concert I saw in the 90s Mustaine played the beginning of Disposable Heroes. I Was really confused
Really? He is a fan I guess
@@deletedhero5579 I think it is his Riff too
@@andreasfasold9841 No that's a James riff, Dave didn't write anything on the album, he only wrote 2 riffs on the entire ride the lightning album too
@@deletedhero5579 I know the credits. That does not mean that they did not use some of Dave's old stuff. Why would he play it l7ve? At that time he hated them.
@@andreasfasold9841 He would have been credited or said he wrote it, in 40 years he hasn't mentioned it once because he didn't write it James did. Also I've never even heard of him playing that riff live apart from now.
9:03 you mean 40?😂
I knew this since like 1986 or 87 when i ran into Dave and Dave Jr at Fenders in Long Beach at a TSOL concert. I was 16 or 17, got in the bar through some trickery, walked right up to a circle of like 5 people, Dave and Dave Jr ( who was wearing a Flotsam and Jetsam t-shirt >D ) asked them if they wanted to get high, right there in the open bar, lmao, of course Mustaine said sure, and he handed me a shot of Whiskey is a solo cup. I just acted like a little punk that thought he owned the place, lmao. We all passed around the pipe till the bartender said, hey, you cause can't do that here, lmao. But i asked him directly on who wrote what. an His answers were exactly what would eventually become to be known. Oh yeah, and Mustaine asked me if i knew where to get any blow, lmao. There's more to it as well, but that's literally exactly how it went down. It was 40 years ago i remember it vividly, plus i've told the story exactly the same for as many years.
So we've just got high Dave's word for it haha
There's no influence in MOP album by Dave. It's just a lame rumour spread by people who knew nothing.
Rumours spread by Dave Musteine at first, because it's profitably for him.
There are people who will try to claim Metallica have never written a single note in over forty years that they didn’t “steal” from Mustaine the God. It’s quite hilarious.
@@EverythingwithonehandHe literally just said it was one riff, calm down 😂
@@WellsFargo-py5zy I’m calm, I’m just pointing out that there are some real rabid Mustaine fanboys out there who desperately need to believe that Metallica have never done anything good without him.
You can find rehearsal tapes on RUclips from 82-83 with Dave in the band, and hear them playing the middle riff from lepper messiah. Tho we don’t know who wrote it
I would say for sure they wanted to stop crediting him 3 albums in. It was embarrassing they fired him but still using his music. and probably Lars said don't put his name on anything else anymore. Lars be like that lol
Well he didn't write any of it so no point crediting him. He got credited for the few songs he cowrote
His music?
😂😂😂
Writing a couple of riffs here and there does not make it his music. Metallica is Hetfield/Ulrich’s music.
You should do a video about how to become an influencer thanks to Metallica
You're making so much shit up.
Mustaine did not write Leper Messiah.
CAn you mkae a video on gar samuelson and
why tf does that master cover have a soldier helmet on one of the gravestones???
Well there was a rumour the album was originally going to be titled disposable heroes but the album concept is different takes of control over people and someone like a puppet master controlling that which includes the soldiers in battle
@@deletedhero5579 "Master of Puppets" does fit both the song with the same title and the contents of "Disposable Heroes."
@@HeathenDance It does, and it'd probably wrong but I remember reading that at one point it was going to be called disposable heroes and then the hands and strings were added after but it's probably not true. The theme of control and master of puppets works for most of the songs on the album.
@@deletedhero5579 And from a marketing point of view, "Master of Puppets" is a lot more appealing as an album name. Black Sabbath's third album is actually "Master of Reality." Quite close.
@@HeathenDance Yea I definitely agree with that
Well, Metallica ripped off riffs from artists like Black Sabbath, Blue Oyster Cult, David Bowie and Axewitch (Swedish band), which were included, without shame, on their 80's albums. At least. Even the iconic heavy/fast machine gun riff from "One" was taken from the song "Darkness Descends" from Dark Angel. None of these are credited, though lol. So, "forgetting" to credit Mustaine on "Leper Messiah" is the least of their copyright infringement crimes.
And Dave ripped riffs from Vardis, Acid, Artillery, black Sabbath etc. and they didn't forget, he just didn't write any of it.
@@deletedhero5579 My point is: Metallica aren't exactly shy or ashamed when it comes to LITERALLY rip off someone else's music, pretending it's theirs. As for the Leper Messiah song, we can't know for sure if Mustaine had any contributions or not. Because we were not there. So, it will always be Metallica's word against Mustaine.
@@HeathenDance No but all bands take from other artists I personally like that Metallica are more honest about it and have promoted those bands and given them a higher platform, Lars even released an album called NWOBHM revisited 79 telling people to find out where Metallica got there stuff from and had diamond head out live with them etc. Most bands hide it so I prefer that.
I don't believe Mustaine wrote leper messiah especially after hearing the demo he says it's based on.
Yea Dave definitely wrote absolutely norhing on this album, he only contributed a couple of riffs to ride the lightning too
The band later acknowledged that "Leper Messiah" contains an idea of Dave's. What more evidence is needed?
Mustaine invented everything. He even wrote every slayer song. Didn’t you know? 😂
😂😂
Hes responsible for everything anthrax ever did.
7:02
ok Andrew, I've listened to this tape carefully and I can safly say that the part everyone claims to be "early lm" is just an amateur riff every guitar player comes up with after some time. it has nothing in common with lp, it's just alternating notes of a powercord. so if it is the riff mustaine claims to be his then I can see why he's not credited. because it's not even remotely related
He didn't write a single song, what do you mean last?
That's it not that was sick
Dave wrote every Metallica song 🎵 😂
Mustaine is so sick, writes the most bad ass riffs
MEGADETH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They don’t admit who came up with master of puppets riff cuz they stole it from David Bowie and Metallica it up
James came up with it. If your talking about the riff after the solo that's based on a David Bowie riff then yes they already have
Man c’mon.. Mr Dave”wrote ‘em all” Mustaine is just a thing of the past.. He has no input on MOP.. So - let’s say She wolf is something similar as Disposable Heroes.. well Dave did it Again on his new álbum 😹👊🏻
Lars is trolling? No one trolls for 4 decades.
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72............karma ;)
Yeah nah
Lars wrote it? 💀
Lars writing expertise starts and stops at lawsuits.🤣
People always say that The Thing That Should Not Be is the heaviest song on the album, but I disagree. BOW TO LEPER MESSIAH!!
Battery, actually.
@@PIZZAdayisback That's not the heaviest. It's the most thrash, after Damage Inc. The heaviest songs are usually slow. Fast can not be heavy
@@Atlas65 listen to future breed machine.
@@PIZZAdayisback Alright. Is that your band?
@@Atlas65 no, that's a song by a rather popular band.
It's pretty heavy