#16 Death by Protein Shake? TAWNSM!
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2017
- In the first of our TAWNSM debunking videos, Sully talks about the recent surge in warnings of the "danger" of high-protein diets. Grab a protein shake, calm down, and watch.
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From Brody Butland--"Bodybuilder Dies From High-Protein Diet? Not So Fast"
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Manninen Paper: Where's the Evidence?
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Love your book and always look forward to new videos!! Thanks for all you do!
Thanks, Matt!
where do i find the book thanks
@@andrewp1998 Amazon.com
Thanks!
At age 62 I have gained 15 pounds of muscle back in the last two years, up from 165 to 180 pounds. I used to be a rock solid and fit 195 a decade ago but lost a lot of that weight and muscle due to my work and some health orientated dietary changes. I got waaay too light! My protein intake is high, at least a gram per pound of body weight to make gains.
I have always lifted weights, but have really attacked the gym in the last two years. I am 5'11, 180 pounds, 16% BF, 32 inch waist, 15 inch biceps. I can do 4 sets of pull-ups if 10, 8, 8, and 6. I can did a 45 pound plate 10x, etc. I lift 5-6 days a week and have 3 workouts, Push Day, Pull Day, and Leg Day.
Thanks for sharing! I feel better now!
LIFT WEIGHTS!!
Who cares?
@@burttheman3697 17 still counting.
@@Rileyed hahaha, they need a lot of attention😂
D.S. Your LIFT WEIGHTS in caps motivated me. THANK YOU.
@The Secular Atheist old men bragging over their biceps size? Nah…
Thank you for clearing this up. I'm 68 and have a fitness trainer, working to get strong. I lift weights and do HIIT. I have a macro that I've been following and was so surprised that I need to eat so much more protein than I ever have! In the back of my mind, I was a bit worried. My father died from kidney failure so I had demonized protein in my mind. I prefer to use food to get all my protein (rather than supplements) which adds up to a lot of chicken, fish, eggs, cottage cheese, tofu, tempeh and yogurt!!! 😆
I’m convinced that the one of the major contributing factors in the deterioration of physical well-being in people over 60 is dietary.
Combined with reduced physical activity, the result of too little protein causes muscle loss.
How old are you?
@@wataboutya9310 How old are you, 12?
As a 62 year old, aspiring competitive Bodybuilder, I eat one gram of protein for every one pound of body weight. So, if you weigh 200lbs. You need to eat 200 grams of protein. If you’re looking to put on muscle mass, don’t rely on just protein shakes. Protein is always turning over in your body. Eat clean foods and your body will thank you!
I believe your statement is outdated.
@@mrdave777how so?
@@robwilliams2265 I believe protein intake to match an individual’s lean mass is ideal. There are calculators available online. Trying to eat 200, 250, 300 grams of protein per day appears taxing on the body. Eating when you’re not hungry isn’t advisable. Yet people force feed to meet “requirements.”
That's what I shoot for also. I generally need to supplement with a protein shake, generally after a workout. Getting 200 gr of protein thru diet alone typically puts me in calorie surplus.
Love this channel. Thanks for all you do Dr. Sullivan, and the dude abides!
I think they just want us to be weak and sick, easier to control. I’ve eaten a high protein diet most of my life, at times up to 300g a day. Probably more than needed but it didn’t hurt me.
Thanks for posting these informative videos!
I lol'd at 1:25 ...."protein supplements were found in her home"... Like enriched plutonium, or a closet full of suits made out of human skin
Human skin is not a very practical source of protein for most of us. Plutonium will screw up your GainzZz.
How about plutonium in homeopathic amounts? You could get all of that power of the atom with NO side effects.
No, WAIT!!! Plutonium isn't natural so is ipso facto NOT GODD!!!!!
So, I suggest homeopathic uranium supplements, totally natural, as it comes out of the ground. Yes, the power of the atom bomb with no side effects.
@@sullydawg do you prefer organic plutonium. I find the grass fed version expensive.
@@holeephuc007 I just look for the best price. 🙂
Thanks for what you do dr. sully. I am so thankful that I found you and your book. I got to you through rip and I got to rip through Glen Reynolds. Thanks Glen! You have changed my life at 63 after being primarily a runner for about 35 years. Now I am primarily a thrower of weight and run some on the side.
Thank you! Keep getting strong, and keep watching!
I am 74 and have been working out and drinking protein powders since I was 14. Then we had Bob Hoffman or Blair powders. I still drink 1 a day and continue to work out as always. I have kidney problems do to excessive anti inflammatories use. Since I quit those my filtration rate has improved from stage 3b to 3a and heading upward. There are many things far worse for your kidneys then protein. Do your research on what to avoid.
A very good video, and I am glad you didn't get too detailed about protein structure and BCAAs. It bears repeating that older folks need more protein per pound because of metabolic inefficiency. Keep it up, Sully. Stay strong.
Thanks, Bill! Appreciate your support!
Great video! Thanks for sharing. Cheers.
Another wonderful video, Dr. Sully. Now I'll go and eat my "can of salmon" breakfast, as usual, but this time with a lot more peace of mind.
It's common to dehydrate (dump water) during competitions as she was competing in, among other dangerous tactics to improve striations, vasculature definition etc. I'm sure protein had zero to do with it.
What an outstanding source of information this channel offers!
Thank you! Glad your found us.
Glad you looked deeper. With the attention deficit problem, it’s good to read more of details.
Thanks for another great video. Whats your next topic?.......looking forward already.
We have a lot of stuff in the works, including episodes on eggs, Hypertension Part III, Why You Should Squat, why we like HIIT, anchor meals, diabetes, the power of walking, using the squat safety bar, Why You Should Press, medical screening tests, NSAIDs....well, you get the picture.
I'm very glad that you encourage more protein. Before I started lifting I found myself eating less and less protein. Now I eat quite a bit. I'm even starting to like whey, sort of.
Excellent advice. Thank you!
Finally I'm listening to someone that knows what he's talking about thank you!⚡
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and smarts
The only side effect I’ve had from protein is constipation which mostly happens when I go over a gram per pound of bodyweight
Higher protein intake levels may not be a problem. But aren't there legit concerns about the purity of some commercial protein powders, in that some brands have been shown to have elevated levels of heavy metals like cadmium, lead, and arsenic?
Pure whey products are pretty clean in general. But, as always, _caveat emptor_. And if you can get your protein without using supplements, all the better....but it can be challenging for some people.
Very challenging, sometimes I just can't stomach food or don't have the time
Very challenging, sometimes I just can't stomach food or don't have the time
Great vid Dr. Sullivan.
Thank you.
Well now I was actually eating a protein bar while watching this. I stopped eating it at one stage, but after I finished watching your vid. I did finish my protein bar. I’m in my mid 50s a couple of years ago I went on a stupid diet to lose weight mainly stomach fat. Yes the diet worked but I lost all my muscle with it. I’m now working out putting muscle back on and eating plenty of protein. 👍 Great video I have subscribed.
Outstanding Video !!!
If you have type 2 diabetes and lift, how would that affect your protein intake?
What about "you have to drink a lot of water if you are taking 1.5 grams of protein per body pound weight"
What's the right amts. Of protein 4 maint on 75yold doing some ex.?? And at rest
Hi Sully, how do you counter the studies by Dr. Valter Longo that excessive protein increased IGF-1 and therefore aging? Thanks
Do you know of a particular study in which Dr. Longo actually demonstrated showed that "protein increased aging?" In humans? And that IGF-1 was the underlying mechanism for this clearly demonstrated increase in aging? IN HUMANS?
Because if you do I'd love to see it.
Informative 🙏
thanks for cutting through the hysteria. Semper Fi.
Semper FI, Devil Dog.
Great stuff of explanation
New subscriber here. Searching for common sense information. This channel looks promising.
Same here... though I'll always be on the lookout for STI (segue to insanity)
Great presentation of information as always!
what brand of creatine?
BCAA supplements.........................???? Recommended? If YES .. ..... any certain time of the day or pre-post workout? Any help would be great. What is the difference between drinking a Protein Shake versus taking a BCAA supplement? Thanks!
Chromium helps the body break down protein. Without chromium, a high protein diet might destroy the kidneys. Chromium deficiency is a real condition.
Every single study done proves high protein doesnt damage healthy kidneys. Where u get ur statement from that it does i am sure i dont know
The Dude is my favorite body builder!!!
Very interesting piece....however I will not drink a protein shake made with orange soda as Rip recommends! My favorite breakfast is a protein pancake made with two eggs mixed with 1/3 cup instant oatmeal.
Why Warren, where EVER did you get such an idea?
Thanks for the video, I am a new subscriber. Unfortunately, the message about the "best" diets are very confusing to the average person. For example: almost all health / fitness thought leaders will agree on a few things: fruits and vegetables are good for us, exercise is good for us. Of course, smoking, drugs, alcohol, improper amounts of sleep are bad. After that, things get confusing. Is exercise marginally good unless it is HIIT? Is eating animals products at all bad for us? I don't have all, or even some of the answers that's why I listen in. Thanks again.
Thank you for your analysis.
Your the man! I'm going to check your site now... she didn't eat enough food. Did u see how skinny she was?!
🌹💐🕊️♥️ GOD BLESS ❌⭕
how do seniors who have a mostly non-meat diet get enough protein? what supplements would be best? I do eat one egg every morning and peanut butter along with other nuts and beans (black and red)
Casein may interest you.
@@jebby16 thank you for the reply, I will look into it
I always thought that if you are a high eater of meat products there was no need for protein drinks
For a person with kidney stones (say, calcium stones) and a family history of kidney stones, would you make any changes to your recommendation of protein intake for masters athletes? The recommendations I’m finding say to limit protein (not sure by how much), and to particularly avoid animal protein, so I guess that would include a vegetarian diet and whey shakes :-/
This is one of those pervasive recommendations based almost entirely on surrogate data and physiological reasoning. I am familiar with only TWO randomized controlled trials of limiting animal protein intake to decrease stone recurrence.
Hiatt et al found that the group treated with low animal protein and high fiber diet had a higher recurrence rate (12/50) than the controls who ate whatever TF they wanted over 4 years.
Borg etal compared a low calcium diet (i.e., free of milk and dairy products) with a low-animal protein diet. After 5 years, recurrence in the first group was 23/60, and 12/60 in the second group, but the data could not discriminate the low protein effect from the low calcium effect.
The data with good patient-oriented outcomes on this issue is almost nonexistent, and what we do have is rife with confounders and bias. What does seem clear is that adequate fluid intake is, on balance, overwhelmingly more important than any other lifestyle intervention. If I passed a stone, I'd just have extra water with my Big Chicken Dinner. YMMV.
@@GreySteel thanks! This is helpful. I'm currently in a post-layoff LP and the bod is hungry!
I've had kidney stones for 32 years. I'm 51 and when I was 47 I found out I had high blood calcium after going to an endocrinologist. After some blood work and CT scans I found out that I had one or more bad Parathyroid glands. I had a Parathyroidectomy and 2 were removed. My blood calcium levels went back to normal and I haven't had a kidney stone in 3 years. I can honestly say I've passed more than 50 stones as an adult so this was a huge relief.
Greysteel. Located
What is a doobly do?
How much protein can a gout person take?
Wtf does this acronym mean?
My issue is getting ENOUGH protein -
The Orinithine cycle dispatches excess protien
How much protein should I take to loose weight. Per pound I am now, or per pound I wish to be?
Losing weight is about a caloric deficit, not a protein deficit
@williamparrish2436 I know that... I am talking about WITH protein. Eat the right amount of calories, I got that, but with that ALSO eat the right amount of protein, that is what I Am asking about
@@jameshildebrand176 Well in that case eat protein for where you want to be.
Dr. In my teenage years I was a pro musician. Did that qualify me as a Pro-Teen?? 🎼🎶
LOL!!!
I can never meet my protein goal on MyFitnessPal
Teeny comment: typo in the Manning slide: scienfitic=>scientific
Great info, cheers.
Thanks Peter. Guess we missed that one.
"Manninen", dat Spellchecker tho'
Wow, what a reply speed!
If I may ask a question, what do you feel about the level at which protein (over-)stimulates mTOR, such that cancer might be promoted, rather than promoting breakdown and repair of junk cells and (maybe) life extension?
We WANT to stimulate mTOR in the setting of training. I'm not worried about protein + training promoting a clinically significant increase in cancer risk. The data on protein -->cancer is very sketchy and methodologically unimpressive, imo. THe data on poor protein intake -->sarcopenia and frailty, OTOH, is as clear as day.
vaxed
I once tired increasing my protein with training but it didn't make much difference.
Some protein powders(weight gain) are far too high in lactose and it can really cause digestion problems in some people.
Training is the main factor in building muscle. Surprising I don't feel people need a high level to build muscle.
All the bodybuilding magazines are full of steroid users making it out that protein built their huge body but it isn't true.
More than someone not wanting to build muscle but I feel everything is overdone.
Electrolytes and carb glycogen levels are hardly mentioned and are much more important to training and development than protein.
Thank you! 57 years old and I eat an average of 300 grams a day.
Too much vegetable protein powder can cause liver issues..
The Vegan Society has much to answer for. 🦄 I am 73, and have seen history.
I stopped taking protein shakes because my body started bruising very easy. I didn't even have to knock my body hard at all to get massive bruises everywhere.
How did protein make u bruise easily?
@@DarkoFitCoach Only God knows. the one I was taking had many ingredients in it. It was the maximuscle ones. You have been warned
@@onenessseeker5683 yeah i am warned. I only take shakes for past 22yrs so i am just a newbie in this...lol. so the issues even u agree has little to do with protein but other shit that was put inside
my MOM had cancer,,,,,,,,,she lived 10 years off ENSURE,,,,,,,,,,ITS NOT ALL BAD
Ok what is TAWNSM
Protein is the most important macronutrient of the three.
I feel ya. I know where you're coming from...but I don't think I'd state it quite so categorically. My membranes are made of lipids, some of my enzymes are glycosylated, I make hormones out of cholesterol, and I use glycogen to fuel my deads. Balance is a beautiful thing.
But I get it. Protein is huge.
Plant protein is less so, the push has been for 30 years to attack protein.
Hell, a can of tuna is 40g.
Did they mention anything about wether she was vaxxed or not? Sure, go after the protein shakes. 🤦♂
Sure, go after the vax. Equally if not even more dumb.
I think anti-vax is destructive nonsense. You're barking up the wrong tree with me.
Somebody 200 lbs needs 400 grams of protein a day?
What is TAWNSM?
This Aggression Will Not Stand Man.
Thanks, Sully! I got your book last month and modified my program from Starting Strength. Keep up the good work for us Master athletes!
I was fascinated by the "anabolic vs. catabolic" slide at 3:45. Dumb question: Does this mean that if you are metabolizing protein anabolicly you can discount the calories in the protein for purposes of energy balance?
No. Remember that protein synthesis is an energy-consuming process. Every time you hook one amino acid to another, you're consuming ATP. And even in people who are training hard and have very avid muscle protein accretion, some small fraction of totally energy is coming from protein catabolism. Anabolism and catabolism always coexist; they are never even remotely absolute, except in the most grave circumstances.
She's a bb competitor... and the protein is the culprit... smh. I thought this video was a meme...
BS