15 Games That Got Directly Replaced By Better Games
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Sometimes you don't need to own both games, sometimes games come out that replace older games. This is a conversation around 15 of those games and the 15 I think are better.
TimeStamps:
0:00:00 - Overview
0:02:16 - Cockroach Poker vs...
0:03:40 - The Crew: The Quest for Planet Nine vs...
0:04:32 - Star Realms vs...
0:06:05 - Isle of Cats vs...
0:07:10 - The Resistance: Avalon vs...
0:08:00 - Welcome To… vs...
0:09:46 - Blitzkrieg! vs...
0:10:46 - Mr. Jack vs...
0:12:16 - Agricola vs...
0:13:56 - Nova Luna / Sagani vs...
0:15:44 - Zombicide vs...
0:17:05 - Brass Lancashire vs...
0:17:55 - V-Sabotage vs...
0:19:19 - Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon vs...
0:20:20 - The 7th Continent vs...
0:21:28 - Wrapping Up
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Cockroach Poker - boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1...
The Crew: The Quest for Planet Nine - boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2...
Star Realms - boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1...
Isle of Cats - boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2...
The Resistance: Avalon - boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1...
Welcome To… - boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2...
Blitzkrieg! - boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2...
Mr. Jack - boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2...
Agricola - boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3...
Nova Luna - boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2...
Sagani - boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3...
Zombicide - boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1...
Brass Lancashire - boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2...
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I'll die on the hill of Agricola love. As long as you draft the starting hands, I love the "extremely" tight work placement game. Amazing game if you love tight strategy.
agreed!!
Same here. I also have another problem with Caverna: it can get so repetitive so quickly! I need to try the first expansion, because without it it's going to go on my to sell list soon.
I think a lot of the people on the Agricola side primarily love the cards, including learning which cards are considered good. I like Agricola's tightness, and I also like Terraforming Mars, but I don't really like either with a bunch of expansions, where 90% of the game ends up being trying to wrap your mind around what cards are out there.
@@indef2def I feel like the advantage with Agricola is that it's one draft at the start, you see many of the cards that others will get, and can figure out some of the cards that might have based on their actions (or at least the classes of cards), so once the draft is done you won't have new things interfering with the gameplay.
That said, I do love TMars as well, but for me that one's more of a feel-good game, while Agricola is quite the opposite, so I don't consider them that comparable.
Agricola has outlasted every other Uwe worker placement in my collection. Caverna is too loose and too samey. The tension and combos in Agricola is unmatched.
I love this topic. With so many games, we need to recognize how some are being upgraded.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I gotta disagree, as someone who loves both Star Realms and Shards of Infinity. Star Realms plays so smoothly and is a really fast game, while Shards is a slightly deeper but much slower game. I would argue they are two different experiences, not because they’re not the same genre (and even mostly the same mechanics), but by when you might want to play them. Star Realms is a game I play with my wife when I have twenty minutes and want to play something. Shards we tend to play when we want that meatier experience.
Edit: To clarify, I know you said Star Realms is more accessible and to get it if you just want something simpler, but I would argue having both in your collection is a great idea.
Avalon is far better than Quest, since it deletes all the information around voting and adds a lot of roles that just create randomness, so it kills much of the deduction part of a social deduction games. Avalon does need more people for its best play so maybe Quest wins at smaller player counts, but overall Avalon continues to deliver memorable playing experiences in our game group in a way that Quest just doesn't.
I absolutely agree. Avalon is so much more interesting when it comes to player reading and deduction. In quest the added roles and mechanisms make it more of a puzzle game. Instead of trying read the players, everyone is trying to math the game. Avalon and resistance above quest any day.
Isle of Cats has my favorite card drafting. Taking 2 cards a turn instead of 1 for better synergies and also making a decision later on to pay for the cards or not (thus making hate drafting easier) is so satisfying. The different types of cards you can draft is really nice. Do I want to draft a end game scoring card or baskets to play more cat tiles? Really fun card drafting. After trying 2 card draft in this and Ohanami, it's really hard to go back to 1 card draft like 7 Wonders, Sushi Go, Draftosaurus (meeples not cards).
I prefer Blitzkreig over Caesar personally. I think the former is more strategic and the latter is more tactical, and generally whichever of those you prefer will decide which game you like more
Can you please explain the difference between strategic and tactical to you?
I think there is equal space for both, they both play very differently. Ceasar! has some tough choices to which areas you give to your opponent. Blitzkrieg! felt that you wanted to some of the special tiles and also you could play in to several theaters at once, and may have to depending on what you draw.
That was a fun video! I do disagree with the Isle of Cats comparison in that I would rather play the original game but both options do it well. For the most part I play Explore and Draw as a solo option and the original game as my multiplayer option. I've often wondered if I would like Caverna. Agricola just didn't work for me but there was a lot about it that I like. Recently got Cave vs Cave in a Game Nerdz DOTD and hope to try it soon. Would love to see more videos like this one in the future.
Blitzkrieg! vs Caesar! is the only one that I don't think the one replaces the other as well. I think for heavy gamers, Caesar! might be preferred, but Blitzkrieg! does it in a more playable format.
I'll add some more (left one is the better than / greater than)
Awkward Guests > Clue
Empires of the North > Imperial Settlers
Ticket to Ride Europe > Ticket to Ride
Chronicles of Crime Millennium Series > Chronicles of Crime
Pandemic Legacy > Pandemic
Kanban EV > Kanban
Caper Europe > Caper
7 Wonders Duel > 7 Wonders
Critters at War > Air, Land, and Sea
Planet Unknown > Isle of Cats
Future one? Andromeda's Edge > Dwellings of Eldervale
very interesting that you said critters at war ? air land and sea, isnt it the exact same game only with different art? or i've been missing something this whole time? hahaha
@@MalikAlghani They are the exact same. Just one has cute artwork. :)
Look, if you take any game and replace the boring artwork with cute animals, it's always better.
Since you mention Imperial Settlers, what's your thoughts on 51st State? I recently got my copy of the Ultimate Edition and have been enjoying it so far.
@@Tuxedoian I never played 51st State. I was tempted by the Ultimate Edition KS, but decided to pass.
The thing I didn't like about Imperial Settlers was the fiddliness of building a deck before playing. I don't enjoy that mechanic, prefer either a pre-made deck or a deck you build as you play the game. So not sure if 51st State has that like Imperial Settlers, but being associated with it, kept me away.
@@ScytheNoire 51S has only a central deck that all players will draw from, there are no individual decks. The only changes to that deck are when you add an expansion deck to it.
Star Realms Frontiers is a better entry than Star Realms vanilla. Not only is the trade deck improved, but it supports 4 players out of the box and includes solo/co-op. I'm going to try Shards of Infinity now.
Yep, Frontiers > Colony Wars > Star Realms any day of the week. I'll also need to try out Shards of Infinity too.
If you like Star Realms Frontiers, I'd recommand the Shadows of salvation extension for Shards of Infinity. It allows coop vs an ennemy and even has a short campaign.
Interesting what you said about Azul. The first three in the series are very similar to each other, but Queen’s Garden changes the formula quite a lot, even the trademark Azul tile drafting mechanism that the other three share. It’s also a bit crunchier. I wouldn’t compare it to vanilla Azul because they’re different experiences altogether and seem tailored for different audiences. Shared DNA, perhaps, but not directly comparable. I do like Queen’s Garden the best, but of the three similar ones in the series, I’d choose Stained Glass of Sintra because its punishing negative points make your decisions more interesting (and Summer Pavilion is neat but too easy).
Of the pairs of games you mentioned, I more or less agree with the ones that I’ve played, but to be fair, most of them I haven’t played yet.
Everyone seems to have their “Splendor killer”, and for some reason, for a lot of people, that’s Century: Spice Road, even though the two games have very little in common. 🤷♂️ I’d personally suggest Gizmos as a replacement for Splendor. Both games have tokens that you use to buy cards, but Gizmos doesn’t have the token-hogging problem because the tokens are randomly dispensed (in a gumball machine!). Both have the ability to reserve cards from the deck, but in Gizmos you can earn the ability to look at more cards and get what you want. Both games may give you discounts on future cards, but Gizmos also adds extremely satisfying action combos. 😀 Gizmos isn’t significantly more complex, but it adds so much flavour and life to Splendor without taking away any of the good parts. It’s like Splendor++! 🙂
Thanks for the video!
Also not directly comparable, but I feel like Parks kills Splendor in my view. Plus it's prettier and more thematic.
Agricola is so much better than Caverna. In Agricola everyone has essentially the same goals, you're all trying to do at least moderately well at all of the of the 6 or so scoring categories (fields, pastures, animals, crops, house, family) - although you know you can't do quite everything so some things will be focused more than others. Then you have the cards, which allows you to come up with a plan right from the start of the game on how you're going to try to execute these goals, all while moving tactically to take advantage of things your opponents have left, or opportunities to stop them getting exactly what they want. This leads to a tense and engaging puzzle of a game every time. Caverna is much more open, you can largely ignore what other people are doing, you really don't need to worry about being over specialised in one area so much. You might as well just be playing a solo game.
I think that might be true at two players, anything more and I still feel like we're fighting
Great video as always! I was considering King of ruinsfor.the same reason but fans exactly told me what you said - there's an upgrade to remove the impediments.
You hit a lot of high spots for me with this one. I’ve never played any of the Zombicide games so was wondering which one to purchase, we have grown bored with cockroach poker and I’m very interested in picking up Royale. Love Brass Birmingham! I own Agricola but haven’t played it yet and Caverna is a bit pricy so I think we’ll try playing Agricola first before replacing it.
Nice comparisons. Made me take a look at my own collection, seeing where i have "upgraded" and where i likely still own both...I REALLY need to get better at selling / trading the games which are just not going to hit the table often enough (or EVER).
Where i have played both.
Cats : i prefer the original (marginally), perhaps mostly because i like the tactile feedback of the tiles
Caverna: Agreed.
Framework: Not sure which i like more, Nova Luna or Framework. Need to play Framework a few more times, but I can see edging out Nova Luna.
Brass: dont have a clear favorite. Insufficient data points.
Others i have played one of but not both. I have played Terra Mystica and liked it, but having seen a play through of Gaia Project, i am anxious to get to try that some day and fully expect to prefer it to the original.
So much of your list I agree with great video. The only one I vehemently disagree with is Caverna as a replacement for Agricola. They are both two massively different games in both how they play, and the meta that can form around them from repeated plays. As a reviewer I’m sure it’s difficult for you two get a lengthy non campaign game to the table 20-30 times so that’s understandable but I can definitely assure you they are so different. It’s more of a personal preference tbh so while for you and others Caverna might be preferred I don’t see it as a replacement .in fact I’d say Feast for Odin is more of a Caverna replacement than Caverna an Agricola replacement.
oooo only have time to watch the start right now but excited to come back to this tonight! Cockroach poker is probably my most played game these last 7 years, so I doubt I'll 'replace' but a suggestion of their many reimplimentation for one that is worth going for....well I'm going to my local shop today to see if I can pick it up. Fingers crossed it's available in Spain - will kick myself for how many times I used to see this and never took 'the plunge' if you can call a game of this size taking a plunge. Thanks Alex!
Welcome to is in my collection still because sometimes I prefer the automa/solo method of the original. I also have all the alternative "boards", so that's fun. There are definatley maps in welcome to the moon that I love and ones I hate.
Your Crew replacement is spot on, along with Welcome to. We too have Zombicide BP and U&A, both a beautifully brutal.
Greetings Alex. You were 100% right about being 100% wrong on Isle of Cats. I love the drafting aspect of the original, which isn't successfully replaced in the flip-n-write. On top of that the flip-n-write seems excessively fiddly to me for some reason.
Lol I'll accept that!
Interesting list. Never the less, I'm unable to come back to Azul after playing Summer Pavilion. The Joker and combos systems, while easy to understand, made the game so much interesting and tactical to me.... Can't stand Queen's Garden though.
Pretty interesting. I agree with your picks that I know except maybe Caverna. For gamers who are used to dwarves in various fantasy genres and having the extra choices, it makes sense but for newcomers who come from monopoly or shy away from anything having elves or dwarves, that theme doesn't work for them and Agricola has more of a general appeal. I think it depends on your game group. I picked up 'Welcome to the Moon' as my first flip and write, so I am happy to see I did alright there :-)
Sagrada is a lackluster "mosaic-making game" compared with the tightness of the masterpiece (at 2p only) Azul, but in it's other dimension, as a "score by multiple patterns of die assignment game", it's completely obliterated by Roll Player, which has many more interesting decisions and a clever theme that fits most of the card mechanics.
Omg- I would love this series periodically! I need help culling!
Great topic. I agree that I like Caverna better than Agricola, but I don't think it quite replaces it. Agricola is definitely easier to teach and more accessible. You basically have to teach Agricola plus another full system to learn Caverna, so while I like Caverna better and would rather play it, I wouldn't quite say it replaces it until your game group has played one, or both. If your game group is willing to take on the bigger front-load of Caverna, then congratulations though!
As for Isle of Cats, I'm curious if you've played the family mode? We much prefer that way because the full drafting mode just drags out the game, which I'm guessing is related to why you don't like drafting in the game. The family mode takes all the fun and removes the extras and makes it into a fun, lightweight game that can be taught in minutes. I'm looking forward to trying out explore and draw sometime, but my kids really enjoy all the cat illustrations from the full game, so I'm not sure it'll land the same for us.
I know this is and has always been a hot topic, but Agricola is superior to me. The cards in Agricola give so much variety vs the static selection of tiles in Caverna. Plus scope of Agricola is controlled, Caverna feels like it jumped the shark
100% agree.
Astro Knights replacing Aeon's End. I know you like your static cards vs a card river. That's the ONLY thing I don't like more as well. But I think overall it's a lot faster of a play with a lot of the same feel as Aeon's End.
i think welcome to is easier to table and to teach, it's the one i play the most. I got welcome to the moon one year ago and i still didn't go past the 2nd map, i find it more difficult to grasp and to setup. I prefere the scoring of welcome to. I completely agree with what you said on welcom to las Vegas.
I own both Brass games and love them both, I don't think one replaces the other. While Birmingham improves on luck factor, there is so much space on the board that it doesn't feel nearly as tightly competitive as Lancashire does, most notably when playing at 2 players. Lancashire is far and away the better 2-player battle, while Birmingham really shines and is probably my 3rd favourite at 3+ players. I'll also add that the "luck" component of Lancashire comes from the distant market, which is something that can be avoided or taken advantage of from a strategic perspective as there is a direct way of avoiding its usage (building ports). I think both games have their place, which is a huge testament to Wallace's skill as a designer!
Even BGG disagrees with you. Usually an upgrade in art will bring a game up a lot and it did nothing for Lancashire.
I agree with some of these (ones I can speak on), the one I don’t agree with is Caesar over Blitzkrieg. I liked Caesar, I think it’s a good game, but Blitzkrieg for me personally is like, a top 10 tier game, I can just play it over and over. I also love teaching it, it’s such an easy teach while Caesar has some extra stuff going on that I don’t always enjoy as much. I do like the theme for Caesar more, I generally abhor modern war themes, but both games are so abstracted it doesn’t really bother me. I would say for me Blitzkrieg is a 10/10 and Caesar is maybe an 8/10. If someone asked if they should buy Caesar I’d say absolutely, it’s a great game, but Blitzkrieg is always the one I’d reach for.
Welcome to the moon is outstanding! Every map plays differently, but once you have the system down, it only takes 5 minutes before each game to understand the differences. Welcome to is still in my collection for the simplicity of playing with my family who all enjoy but are intimidated by Welcome to the moon
This is a cool topic for a video, well done Alex!
Fun video!
Star Realms being "simpler" I highly agree (my wife loves simple games and often plays Star Realms the app). Shards of Infinity is so very fun even at the 4-player count and my kids and their friends (Magic the Gathering addicts) really enjoy Shards.
Wow! I'm going to have to explore "Explore and Draw" (see what I did there). We enjoy Isle of Cats, but haven't even bothered to blink at Explore and Draw.
Coincidentally, today 1/27 Welcome To... is the deal of the day at GameNerdz. But no way can it possibly compete with a space themed game. Let's be real!
Danggit! I need Zombicide: Undead or Alive now. I thoroughly enjoy Invader, but I also love miniature bloat and another KS zombicide game wouldn't hurt my collection.
Is Feast For Odin a direct comparable to Agricola and Caverna as well? Or do you not consider it such because of the polyomino portion of the game? Note: I haven't actually played Feast for Odin....though I've been thinking about picking it up :)
A Feast for Odin is nothing like Agricola or Caverna. All the actions are available every round, it is all about getting more stuff to put on your player boards, getting boats and emigrating. Where Agricola evolves each round with more actions, the need to get take actions to get more workers.
Nova Luna is the best of that batch. I like the time-cost based drafting a lot and Nova Luna is the only one that has that. It's the best looking one too.
I tried going back to Nova Luna after framework and don't feel the need to play it more
I consider myself a pretty good strategist, but Zombicide Green Horde was super difficult for me. My son and I failed the 1st or 2nd mission (escort the catapult) twice. Haven't tabled it since 8( We are slowly working on the Massive Darkness 2 campaign at the moment.
Agreed, it was tough
For me, Habitats (original version) is the best of the Framework, Nova Luna, Sagani type of games….I fully agree that Framework is the easiest to play/teach with new players. We also have that, Sagani and Habitats…as my wife loves this type of games and we appreciate the nuances between them!
I agree. I like all of them, but Habitats is my favorite of those games.
Disagree with Tainted Grail and 7th Continent. While I am also equally awaiting the sequels, I don’t see the sequels ever replacing those games for me. I love them both so much, and foresee myself keeping both the old games and the new ones. Even if I was ever forced to downsize and cull a lot of games, a lot of other stuff would be forced to go before I would ever part with those.
I know only 5 of these comps (original & replacements) and wow... i am in 100% agreement in all, infact say so myself when about these- Crew, IoC, Welcome To, Framework & Brass
I'm glad you do!
I’m less certain than ever about the idea of newer games replacing others. I’ve been going back to old games I wrote off and rediscovering them and realizing simpler is sometimes better… and that end of the day games (and ages of games) are just different. Imho.
just last night my son was telling me that he preferred HEro Realms over Star Realms. (We started with Star Realms, then saw Hero Realms and started playing that as a "Variation" -- but they have definitely improved with some things in Hero Realms!
I am probably a minority in here but I love first Crew for its campaign-like goals (we’ve logged 1200+ games of it using every possible expansion including the fan made one) and when they announced the second Crew I was so excited that I was ready to buy it from Amazon with $50 shipping (I didn’t though). When I got it I was so disappointed with what they did to the goals. We’ve tried about 100 games with 2-5 player counts and decided that we will never play it over the original Crew
I agree that Shards > Star Realms when you only take into consideration the base games. But taking both with everything, Star Realms reigns supreme imo
How does Shards of Infinity compare to Volfyirion Guilds? Especially regarding market unclogging and softening the hard synergy
You love One Night Ultimate Werewolf?! That's made my day!
Curious about Le Fantom de l'Opera now too.
Of the pairs on this list that I've played both games, I agree completely, although, honestly, for most of these pairings, I've only played one or the other, so my agreement probably means a lot less 😜
Slightly off topic, but I'm always confused as to why everyone insists that the title of "Welcome to Your Perfect Home" is only "Welcome to..." and yet the other two "Welcome to..." games are always referred to with the whole name. (with the exception of calling "Welcome to New Las Vegas" just "Welcome to Las Vegas" and forgetting the "New" part). I know that "Welcome to Your Perfect Home" was the first in the series, but that doesn't mean the whole title wasn't always on the box. In fact, the "to" part is even in the same little title box as the "Your Perfect Home" part, so I would think, if anything, it would have been shortened to just "Welcome..." 😂
MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS PLEASE! as much as it pains me to own games that suck, i mean, could be better
I'll try :)
Caverna is Agricola stripped of all it's tension. Depends on what type of gamer you are, but the latter is a knife fight in a phone booth especially as a 2 player game.
Awesome list! I can’t actually speak to any comparison directly just because I haven’t had the opportunity to play both games in any one pairing, but they definitely fall in line with my suspicions or what I have heard from others.
If I were to add to the list, I would say Wrath of the Lich King replaced traditional Pandemic for me as it seems to just add more excitement, engagement, and replayability than the original. The new Star Wars one looks interesting, but I’m not a huge Pandemic fan as it is and I’m happy with WoW so I don’t really have any desire to try any others.
Underwater Cities replaced Terraforming Mars as it just does the same thing more simply and is more personal. It’s not just building something just to build it. What you build becomes part of your own private engine. I just feel like the mechanics flow better.
With that last one I chuckle at myself for the fact that Terraforming Mars Ares Expedition has replaced Race for the Galaxy for me. (To be honest, while many would disagree with me, I actually feel like Ares replaced the original TM for me as well.) RftG just feels like a point grabbing card game. While Ares is technically the same in the end, I feel like there is more substance and excitement during the ride with the different resources and card effects. Plus RftG was death-by-iconography. Ares doesn’t have nearly as many symbols in that it doesn’t need page after page of explanations, and if there WAS any confusion, there is text on the card that explains it. All in all it is much easier to get to the table and is more enjoyable.
The last one for me is Rise of Tribes over Settlers of Catan. Catan was fun originally but after awhile it started to get frustrating as I would play games where I consistently had empty turn after empty turn with no resources coming to me despite the fact that I would have both 6s and/or 8s while weird numbers like 3s, 4s, and 12s would be rolled over and over. While I admit that the dice mechanic in Rise of Tribes is kind of odd, I like it much better than the dice mechanic in Catan since you always get something on your turn. You may not always get what you really want, but at least you don’t get turns where you have no resources and so just can’t do anything. Plus the base game comes with optional modules to play with to change up the game play, including slightly asymmetric player abilities. I feel like Rise of Tribes is the game that Catan tried to be.
One other game that I personally want to add to this list intuitively is an older combination which may not necessarily be a straight trade off versus just a “play this not that” type of comparison, which is why Rise of Tribes was my “last” game on the list, but if you want to count it I would also add Specter Ops replacing Scotland Yard. Again, I don’t know if this would be a direct replacement so much as one hidden movement game versus another, but to me I feel like Specter Ops was designed specifically to go against Scotland Yard. That said, I used to have Scotland Yard and I got rid of it once I got Specter Ops. I think Specter Ops does the same thing that Scotland Yard does but better. The transportation ticket tiles in Scotland Yard always felt odd to me thematically. Mechanically it worked, but if you really thought about using a taxi ticket versus bus ticket and the timing and everything, it just felt a little forced into the theme. With Specter Ops I felt like the mechanics were designed to flow into the theme, plus the added powers really makes the game more exciting and replayable without making it too hard. That was the other issue with Scotland Yard was that I felt that playing a detective was crazy hard whereas it isn’t as hard in Specter Ops to play the hunters. I WILL say that it CAN be hard to play the agent in Specter Ops, but I still like it way more than Scotland Yard and have no desire to play that one.
thank you for this list. was on the fence for a couple of the games there.
i never saw many of those games in stores here in mexico, but I'll try to get them second hand
Caverna is ranked slightly higher than Agricola, yes, but if you add in Agricola Revised which is ALSO in the top 100 on bgg it would easily win. :)
Oh not this again, I hate how BGG arbitrarily splits up some games. I hate how forums for Dominion are split across to database entries.
As a lover of tighter, harsher games, I don't agree with you about Agricola or Brass, but the rest are fine. I haven't heard of or seen Le Fantôme de l´Opéra in forever! that was nostalgic for me...of all those Mr. Jack games, I only have Pocket left...
Fun list. Would you consider Tyrants of the Underdark or Valley of the Kings in the same category as Star Realms and Shards? I find that those games replaced Star Realms, Ascension, and Shards for me.
I wouldn't. Star Realms and Shards are perfect comps because they are both deck builders where you directly attack your opponent. The games you mentioned compare only in that they're deck builders, but they have very different win conditions.
Great topic! I'm going to check out Framework--looking for something with that system.
I don't know if this is exactly disagreeing or saying one is better than the other, but I prefer the original crew in my classroom. I keep deep sea at home, for my friends, but for the classroom not having that variability in goals makes it a lot easier for kids to randomly pull out because it's one less thing to introduce every time there are new people.
I wouldn't say shards of infinity replaces star realms for me. I love the leveling mechanic in shards of infinity but i find the balance of cards off personally in the game, like your buying power on your last turn is often less than double what you had on your first turn where as star realms often gives you thee or four times your starting money by the end and its that growth that makes a deckbuilder. if there was a standalone expansion to infinity I'd happily reevaluate. hero realms would be my safe replacement but Ausonia is my preferd decbuilder, its not got many extra rules but is so much more thinky and feels tighter as you start with a deck of gems but as you get read of these gems and other cards they become perminant use cards so you clear your deck of money, have access to more money on a turn and have all your cards to combo.
oooh, Caverna replaces Agricola? Them's fightin words.. LOL. I actually agree with you, but a lot of people prefer the other way around. They like the tighter, more challenging puzzle of Agricola plus there's a crapload of cards varying the game from play to play. Caverna only has a fixed set of rooms. It would be nice if Caverna did something like All Creatures Big and Small does where you have a larger pool of rooms and just select a subset to play with each game. It seems to me that both views are valid and it's a matter of preference determining which is better.
Most of the ones that replaced older versions were basically updated engines or 2nd editions. Mansions of Madness with an app versus having to have a player BE (suffer as) the GM like in the original was huge. Dune - the reprint is lovely versus the original Avalon Hill can't believe it's still in one piece paper everything. Twilight Imperium... I still like the previous version but absolutely everyone moved to the new version because it's more streamlined and takes about 3 less boxes.
Great content Alex! What about Massive Darkness 2 replacing Massive Darkness?
I assume it does, but I haven't played it enough.
I will strongly agree with the vast majority of your choices here. With the only one I disagree being I liked star realms more than shard of infinity but completely understand why many people like shards
For me, isle of cats has too much variety and too many expansions to be replaced.
On Isle of Cats: I have both in our collection and at first with Explore thought, why would I want this if I love the full box version. Well, it absolutely has a place and is one of the best games now for travel or for casual gamers. The big box now only has one role - giving my wife and I a fun draft and resource management version of that smaller game.
On Welcome to the Moon: absolutely fantastic game and packs so much in a small box
Agricola vs Caverna: I feel Argicola is the more euro version of Food Chain Magnate. It's brutal in all the right ways. That's absolutely not a casual gamer sort of title so it depends on what you want out of your game. Caverna is the one where the deep understanding of the game doesn't guarantee dominance. I'd never say one is better than the other, but I think each has their place and while I'll play either I prefer Agricola (even if nobody around me does haha).
I hate playing explore and I like the original.
Your RUclips shorts video convinced me to watch this. good job!
Thanks!
Thank you for thr content. What about Frosthaven replacing GLoomhaven?
Agree the original Azul is a more solid game than future iterations.
I think Cthulhu Death May Die replaces Zombicide for some people. Their mechanics are closer than Cthulhu DMD vs Mansions of Madness
Yes, the Death May Die replacing Mansions of Madness was nonsense. A rush the objectives to focus fire down the boss game doesn't replace a mystery adventure. Outside of both games being the Cthulhu mythos, there's little they have in common.
The reason Death May Die replaces Zombicide for many people is simply because it's a much better game. They're really not that similar in how they play. Surface level there's some similarities, but they create very different experiences.
I am curious to see how Caverna compares to Agricola on BGA. Agricola has been released on September 2021 and now has 500k plays. So it's to be compared with Caverna (released in Dec 2022) after it gets to 16.5 months, so May 7 2024. I'll set up a reminder. :D
The cat tiles are a need....So cute! I think I can pass on explore and draw but maybe I'll get it. Polyomino games aren't my favorite, got rid of Patchwork Doodle. I want Framework, I only have Sagani... and strangely of my 14 Uwe Rosenberg games, I have never played Caverna or Agricola. My favs are Feast, Atiwa, Hallertau, and Nusjford. I want Brass so bad! Haven't played either as a solo player.. I got rid of the original Welcome To, Then loved Welcome to the Moon so much that I repurchased the original!
I agree with you on Welcome to the Moon, I somewhat agree with you on Explore & Draw because I prefer The Isle of Cats with expansions. I like Nova Luna as it is, I don't want it simplified, and Framework is kinda ugly.
Good, interesting video, and nice sweater! Eddie Bauer?
I love how this flips the head on these types of vids usually we see some thing wonderful world replaces 7 wonders. But this guys all about the sequels something tells me his collection has never gotten smaller. :)
To me Cthulhu Death May Die is the better Zombicide :P
I completely agree, but I feel it's less a direct comparison.
Great list, most obvious and accurate. But Agricola and Caverna, no sir. I owned both for a good while and not so overlapping.
Caesar is my preferred game out of the two with Blitzkreig.
How about expansions for Star Realms vs Shards of Infinity? I find them easier to add with Star Realms.
Next video: 15 games that failed to replace already existing games that turned out to be better than the newer ones
Not a bad one to do :)
Regarding Star Realms:. I don't disagree about Shards of Infinity, but I am also curious if you have tried Hero Realms or Cthulhu Realms (both by the same publisher I believe)? And if you have tried them, I'm curious how you feel about them and how they compare to Star Realms?
To me Cthulhu Realms main problem is that its, as I know, has no expansions. And sadly I think that in this type of games this is a valid detail that could keep game fresh. IDK about Hero Realms, only tried it online a couple of times.
But yeah, it would be cool to hear abou them. Because other than expansion/mechanic variety and theme I think they are pretty simular with minor differences, but I could be wrong
@@Dreadnote-pf7of yeah Hero Realms is much the same, it added an element of creatures that stay on the board to fight, but otherwise almost the exact same game play as Star Realms. True Cthulhu Realms has no expansion, but Hero Realms has a few; and I think a KS for a new one.
santorini for playing 3-5 players is better IMO, but def original is better at 2
I don't think I completely agree with you on any of the comparisons I can judge:
- The variation from the cards in Agricola is not something you find in Caverna -> not sure which game I like more.
- While The Crew: Mission Deep Sea is better in the long run, I found the campaign in the original much nicer.
- I would prefer Avalon over Quest at higher player counts.
Forget the games, the watch is awesome! May I know its brand/model number?
Interesting. What about blood take vs ankh vs rising sun. Does the newer ones replace the older. I find ankh at a good price cheaper than blood rage here
Other than being area control games based on mythology, there's not similar. Blood Rage focuses on card drafting and tableau building to create a points engine, and the combat is resolved using cards you draft. Rising Sun is action selection using tiles with a follow mechanism with a hidden bidding/bluffing combat resolution. Ankh has action selection using a shared track with a focus on controlling buildings with combat that's resolved with a set deck of cards.
Additionally, Rising Sun has an alliance focused design where players can team-up for a season. Ankh has a forced alliance late in the game where the two players with the lowest score get merged into a single entity (forced alliance). Blood Rage has no rules for alliances.
@@VaultBoy13 Thanks for the input. i want both blood rage and ankh. But can afford only one. ankh is 68euros right now and blood rage at 82. im leaning towards ankh and get blood rage maybe later
Welcome to the Moon is great, with a whole load of variety. But after playing through it all, the original is still my favourite version of the mechanism.
Cockroach Poker - the Royal version doesn’t add anything that improves the game for me. I guess it’s worth it as it gives you the option of variation in gameplay, but I wouldn’t seek it out or pay more for it.
Agree on Framework and Quest.
I’m not a big box gamer - but it must be kind of dispiriting to be told that the game you’ve just spent a whole ton of money on has been made obsolete by a new release costing even more.
Alex, please let me bring all the Isle of Cats expansions to your house XD It's fine if you don't like it but I'd be curious how it fairs with all the extra nonsense. (Also I haven't played Explore and draw so I cannot compare)
I'm down :)
@@BoardGameCo I’ll shoot you an email :)
I agree with all. Especially IoC:Explore.
What about Between Two Castles of Mad King Ludwig vs Between Two Cities?
Good choice and agree!
If you played Tainted Grail with the Red Death Expantion it already fixed many of the problems people had with Tainted Grail Fall of Avalon, however it was delivered in Wave 2 so many didn't play the Fall of Avalon with Red Death from the beginning. I can't say if its the same or better the Kings of Ruin, but I know many of the complaints for Avalon were fixed in Red Death.
Red death also had many many print errors
@@thomascocks9136 That True
There were so many problems with Tainted Grail that an expansion wouldn't have been enough to fix it. I don't even think the new game can really address them. It's an incredibly clunky system for what's effectively a Choose Your Own Adventure book.
@@VaultBoy13 escape the dark sector board game
@@VaultBoy13 I really don't find it that clunky. The problems with the main game are:
Downtime in combat/diplomacy when not your turn.
Time spent grinding to ignite menhirs or simply stay alive. The latter I'm unsure how to fix as it is fundamentally a survival game.
Time spent wondering around without direction, particularly if you have travelled a long way and your only leads are far away.
This said I find the grind to stay alive much better than 7th continent. The combat themselves can be risky but generally it is slowly losing all resources that I fear most. It is tedious at times to regain these resources but it isn't too time consuming (though hunting events should be snappy).
A lot of this could be fixed by fast travel to previously explored locations and a bit of refining of the combat system.
I also don't feel a choose your own adventure book is a bad thing if you know that is what you're getting and the story and options are well written. And the writing and story has engaged me so far. It's certainly better than other games that try to tell a story.
Wow, I am surprised that you didn't have Andromeda's Edge replacing Dwellings of Eldervale for you...
Alex thinks DoE is an ok game and only likes AE slightly more. Don't think he's keeping either in his collection but if it's a choice between playing DoE or AE, I'm guessing AE.
I love DoE but recently sold the Legendary Edition in anticipation of AE.
@@LeeKenshin7Oh, wow! I have the Legendary Edition; along with the (huge) custom playmat; and not only the upgraded wooden resources, but also the upgraded wooden treasure tokens - and I can’t imagine ever getting rid of it!
Also, I definitely prefer the fantasy theme to a space theme. I think space is boring. There is not much you can do in space, except go around things.
I am excited to see the new mechanics in Andromeda’s Edge, but it doesn’t intrigue me the way that Dwellings does. Dwellings’s theme just seems to fit more (to me) - and it looks brilliant on the table, especially with the playmat.
@@JJ_TheGreat I had all that too, except the playmat, and I do prefer the fantasy theme over space theme as well. But seeing the gameplay of AE, it's going to be like Gaia Project to Terra Mystica. Theme draws me in but mechanics keeps the game and since the mechanics for AE is an upgrade for me, I can't justify keeping DoE. Plus, it was too good of a transaction to pass.
@@LeeKenshin7 I am glad you mentioned Gaia Project. That is exactly the example which I was bringing up. I admit that Gaia Project is definitely the superior game to Terra Mystica, objectively, IN EVERY WAY. However, I know several people that still prefer Terra Mystica. One of my friends said that after playing Gaia Project, he hated it - and he would just much rather play Terra Mystica; Jamey Stegmaier prefers Terra Mystica - even though I mentioned to him that I think Gaia Project is objectively the better game...
In both cases, the space-themed version came out after the fantasy- themed game, and so the designers learned from their previous game's experience and feedback.
Also, another example I like to use is Among The Stars vs Fields of Green.
Fields of Green is the sequel to Among The Stars, in which they changed the "build your spaceship" theme into a farming-themed game - in which they added some extra layers to the gameplay.
However, ironically, in this case - I actually prefer the space-themed game in this case. I had really enjoyed the idea of building out your spaceship (which is different than just moving around in space) - and they had changed it into just a farming (which I am meh on - I don't have much opinions on it)-themed game. I definitely preferred Among The Stars. I felt like it was very fitting that that was the theme. It just made sense - for the mechanics and what you were doing in the game - drafting out those cards.
I am just trying to give some perspective - that theme matters... And this is coming from someone who is a mechanics first person - but I can recognize that games are a mesh between the 2.
@@JJ_TheGreat Appreciate the perspective. Maybe someday, after playing the final production of AE, I might decide to get DoE again. Looks like Breaking Games is trying to keep reprinting (with all the extra content albeit piecemealed) and getting it into retail. Jamey and I don't align much on heavier games. Although not a direct replacement, I did not care for Ark Nova but Terraforming Mars is my #2 game of all time. I guess I like space-themed games somewhat.
I think you should replace Azul with Azul Chocolatier
Lol I plan on it
Welcome To The Moon - great pick!
Zombicide 1st Edition has an equal amount of zombie variety as Black Plague
Another example could be Everglow/photosynthesis
Alex, How about Lizard Wizard vs Racoon Tycoon?
I need to play Racoon Tycoon first :)
I thought I was wrong once, but I was wrong.
I agree with The Crew Deep Sea.
Another would be Las Vegas Royale replaces Las Vegas. It's so much better, I don't want to play the original any more.
Should add Frosthaven over Gloomhaven, hot take...or is it a cold take?
Frosthaven > Gloomhaven, but then when you compare Frosthaven to JotL it's like a side-step. There's some really cool improvements in Frosthaven. But, it's a pretty big step backwards to go back to tiles from JotL. And, the section book is fiddly. Especially, when important scenario rules have to regularly be flipped back to in that book.
I realize some people like the surprise of a new room. But, what the _____haven games didn't need is even more fiddly.
Really good topic i somethimes fuss about selling games while if i sell and get a better game with that money makes you think
Shards doesn't replace star realms because the lack of the star realms "explorer" cards make too many shards games a no-game where one player can't generate income and loses without a real fight.
I like this video gives me more flexibility on if I want a game or not
Man, you make good videos and speak very well but would be nice to see images and videos about the games too while you do that
Thank you. And I totally respect that, it's just hard to do it all
@@BoardGameCoI understand! In this case i wish you sucess with your channel to in the future you be able to hire a editor! And thanks for answer me!
For a moment I thought you were about to compare Santorini and Azul to make your point 😂
Not this time :)