I chose not to touch on the final twist regarding Nish's Mother because I genuinely thought it was really stupid that she was in there all along. It ruins any form of independence Nish had and just seemed like a very unnecesary aspect to include. It also seems weird that she possesses a technology that CLEARLY had more negatives than positives, and yet was somehow convinced that putting Mum in there would be a good idea? I thought she was supposed to be smart!
Also didn't she say the mother overdosed on pills from the grief of seeing her husband in the chair ? Does that mean you can transfer the consciousness from a dead person or maybe she managed to transfer the data just before she died and if the mother did kill herself what makes us believe she would want to live on inside her daughter ? Seems very stupid to have it in alright , great analysis btw keep it up
That’s a good point, but doesn’t that make it scarier? The pain and damage from her father’s wrongful treatment prevented her from having any independence until she killed Rolo Haynes whom she never met but is obligated to have an vendetta against due to the pain and injustice that her parents went through. It had nothing to do with her and yet she ended up a murderer in the end, unlike her father. Her mom being in her head actually gave me an existential crisis when I first saw it. Like Killmonger and Nish, that’s what it feels like to be young and black. Should I devote my life to avenging injustice or move on and be happy? Nish can’t, there’s always something there to remind her!
I feel soooo bad for Carrie omg. Why didn’t they just put her consciousness back into something else ? They could upload her to San Junipero or something like that .
Chris G. Idk if you noticed but every episode of black mirror is in its own universe with very similar traits, there was probably no San junipero in this universe This show is just like twilight zone, every episode takes place in a different time, a different dystopia, in a different place
@@smellmyclock but in the episode Nish mentioned something about San Junipero or the cloud, meaning it is there and they could have transferred her there
I thought the doctor getting addicted to pain was a clever inversion of the opioid crisis. Instead of doctors getting patients horribly addicted to painkillers, we see the doctor himself addicted to pain. So clever.
what bothers me about this episode is that he states that all the little keychains aren't recordings but copy's of his conciseness which means there are still hundreds if not thousands of copy's of this girls dads consciousness still out there in eternal torment...
Who in their right mind would agree to have their partner inside their hard 24*7? I mean it wasn't even a abrupt decision, he took some time to think about it. We all knew it was going to end badly the moment the idea was put forward.
Plus its not the same as having them with you. You cant hug them or kiss or be intamate..which is a huge part of a relationship. It was a dumb idea from the start.
@@jauume but the machine is not 100% accurate. plus it was cruel to Carrie, she had to deal with not seeing her son and also her husband moving on to a new lover.
@@ohnonotanothergachatuber1129 I believe that the characters are unrealistic in that situation, faced with the same situation you dd be able to find a conclusion. there is no way his ex would be so demanding given her position and life experiences. I can see how the guy is very easily manipulated, as shown by the businessman and his new wife both controlling him but it doesn't make sense why his ex can't.
Rolo Haynes might just be the best Black Mirror character. Such a shame he died at the end. I could easily watch another three episodes of him going around tricking desperate people into using dangerous technology. He's like the devil of Black Mirror, bargaining for peoples souls.
Since Black Mirror episodes are not in chronological order, him dying would not necessarily preclude us from seeing him again. However, the fact that they have never had any recurring characters (easter eggs notwithstanding) probably would.
It’d be a cool show ending finale to see him watch over the crowds in 15m merits or be seen giving instructions to the guy that kidnapped the princess in national anthem,even seeing him as a member of white bear would be cool
I'm going to choose to believe Nish transfered Carrie to either the cloud or a BRB style robot after taking her out of the museum. Also I wouldn't call Carrie a souvenir for Nish. You failed to mention that Nish's mother was inside her head the whole time, presumably to see justice for her husband (I highly doubt anyone would want their mom inside them forever and am fairly sure her mother lives in the cloud most of time and this was an exception.) Carrie was also a victim of Rolo and deserved Justice just as much as Nish and Nish's mother And remember when Rolo wakes up we see Nish placed Carrie in a position where she see what was happening too, even getting a close up of her monkey staring at him as he gets electricuted. Once they leave the building she gave Nish a thank you in the only way she could by saying monkey loves you. If anything Nish is Carrie's rescuer. And as I mentioned before I highly doubt Nish would keep her in that monkey for long. If she can transfer Rolo, into Clay's hologram, she can get Carrie into a better vessel it would be far easier.
Dr Dawson scene in front of the mirror was really fucked up. Reminded me of the Fly but this was sel mutilating because he enjoys the pain.... Makes me verrry uncomfortable
Lovely to see a video maker who actually likes this one! A lot of people seem to be jumping all over it just because it's a compilation of mini-episodes type of story. As if that's a bad thing in and of itself.
Yeah, it's weird how she faces no consequences for using the dangerous technology or brutally murdering someone. Whereas Joe and Matt from White Christmas both end up losing everything. In fact, most BM characters suffer far worse fates for significantly less egregious actions.
Carrie getting stuck in the monkey was the funny part of the episode, especially when Rolo said nowadays they have to be able to say at least five things, I laughed so hard. Pretty horrific when you think about it though. She would have been better off just dying in her original body, because her fate was worse than death. Thanks for making the analyses, I've watched them all. Hopefully see you for S05.
Species1571 I smiled when Carrie said “Monkey loves you” on their way out of the museum. I, personally, hated the analysis. He seems to have completely missed the allegories of catharsis running all up and down this episode. Yes, the title was a reference to the show itself, but not as a nod to Easter Eggs, but as to how the show questions what it is.
No shit her fate was worse than death lol. I thought Carrie's story was the most horrific part of the episode because isolation is one of the absolute worst things that can happen to humans. Not to mention that she can see other people but they would have no idea she exists, and she can't communicate at all with them. And she can't kill herself either, so she's stuck like that. And Rolo said they have to be able to communicate at least 5 different emotions, not just say things.
This was my all time favorite episode of Black Mirror because it has all the best things that keep me coming back: Horror stories involving tech and the unknown, existential crises and moral ambiguity. I cringed, dropped my jaw and paused throughout!
A lot of people don't like this episode... they're watching it as a Black Mirror episode, that's the problem. What I personally like about it is it's kind of a nostalgic throwback to anthology horror movies like Dark Side or Creepshow. I'm a big fan of those.
they're watching it as a black mirror episode because that's what it is, you can't selectively pretend that something is something other than what it is to increase the enjoyment of it. I'm allergic to lobster so i'll pretend this lobster is actually made of tofu so I can eat it! problem solved.
That’s why people didn’t like iron man 3. The dumb fucks thought they were watching an iron man movie, but they were really just watching a bad movie. What would even indicate to them that iron man 3 was an iron man movie
No people don't like that episode cause the end is especialy dumb and boring, Black Mirror episodes have a tendancy to have weak ending but this one was downright terrible.
I’ve got to say, the twist at the end was spoiled by the Netflix subtitles The first time that “Nish” spoke, the subtitles read “in British accent”, implying that it wasn’t her true accent at all. (Edit: I’m aware of the reasons they have the subtitle. It was just interesting to point out. Also, stop liking this. It’s not that exciting, people... :3)
Lotte I'd say if was connected to any episode the only one I'd objectively say yeah they're connected is San Junipero, considering Rolo worked for the company that created and hosts it and Nish said Uploading old people to the cloud was a thing that actually happened. But that the only one I'm willing to say are connected the rest is probably just Easter eggs.
They literally talk about cookies from White Christmas, which has a technological progression from tech shown in previous Black Mirror episodes. It's not just an Easter egg. It's a plot point. Why are so many people so against the "shared universe" thing anyway? Then it would be like any other show. Them all being completely separate universes is the more weird thing to do. And as long as they don't go too overboard with it, and try to do their own MCU crossover mashup thing, then I don't see what the big deal is. It rewards viewers who watch all of the episodes in order, but it's not like it disrupts people who just watch singular episodes.
Many episodes and their techs look like evolution of previous techs or advanced version of it, so it is more likely that is is the same universe. White Christmas, San Junipero and Hang the DJ seems to be either the same tech, or evolution of it.
Out of all the stories, Carrie and the monkey absolutely have the most potential in more ideas for the series. Just like how cookies were introduced and are just kind of a 'thing' now. Some unholy meshing of that consciousness-transfer and (maybe a beta version of) the MASS system would be goddamn brilliant, probably ending up with people in ecstasy comas, too unwilling to exit game. I for one love the theory that all the episodes/seasons share a universe, and it's my opinion that they're one full timeline, just dated out of order - probably with Metalhead at the very end, bc of, y'know, robo-doge apocalypse. If not that, then parallel universes at least. If there's another episode that basically throws humanity/survival down the drain, then that kind of fucks that up. But something like San Junipero being a wholly North/Central/South American thing and the system in 15 Mil. being something in a European or Asian regime (for examples) is also possible, since we're given pretty much no context of country as well as time period.
I'm with you on that one! Nobody, not even if the creators and writers themselves burst into my house and scream it to my face, will ever convince me that these episodes do not all happen within the same universe.
But Harry, didn't you think that her setting the museum on fire was symbolic of the series not being a shared universe, because now that idea is destroyed?
A pretty terrible theory actually, the existence of the museum to begin with makes it's destruction/the symbolism of it's destruction irrelevant within the theory. By that logic you could just say that at one point it was a shared universe, with the museum being symbolic of that. Symbolism, unless deliberate, really has no bearing on whatever it's a part of.
Maybe that's why you watch it. But I watch it for the creativity behind the stories, and the new thoughts they make me think. I definitely don't come back because I like seeing people in pain 😭
the song in the beginning “always something there to remind me” also foreshadows and correlates with the plot of the episode, foreshadowing nish’s mom being stuck in her head & etc. :)
One thing you missed is that the suviners were copies of the consciousness at that moment, so it's not just a moving imagine but a consciousness trapped in eternal agony
I don’t know why people are so tilted over the fact that the Black Mirror episodes are in the same universe. They are. Just get over it. It takes literally nothing from the power of the stories.
What I don’t think most people got was what the Souvenir keychains actually were... those souvenirs were Copies of the consciousness like what was put in “cookies”... but even more terrifying is that the copy in the souvenir was experiencing eternal pain and suffering from being electrocuted continuously inside that small key chain. So not only did Rolo die, but he will forever feel level 15 electrocution pain for eternity. (Or however long that keychain lasts.) super unsettling!
The key chains, and the cookies, and all stuff are just programs. They don't feel. They don't experience. They are programs designed to simulate what the brain does. People are very confused.
@@kazunabe4288 Of course in real life simulations can't feel or experience anything but in relation to this episode the simulations could actually feel and experience things. That's why it's called Sci-fi. ;)
@akshay Viswambharan I disagree. I think in the context of the show they are implying that the prisoner actually has feelings and actually experiences the electrocution every time as if he were alive. The same with the key chains. Of course, as I said it's sci-fi so can be interpreted however you like.
Karl Pilkington deserves credit for the plot of this episode. He pitched it years ago on the Ricky Gervais show Podcast. Charlie Brooker openly admitted he pinched the idea from him.
That gal from Black Panther was her, I soon noticed. I don't know her personality, but she seems like a girl-next-door type. She's cute, for sure. I hope she doesn't sell her soul for fame and all that glitters in America.
This episode did annoy me. It seemed as though everything that happened to the woman in the coma was designed specifically to make her existence as painful and dehumanizing as possible, with no regard for practicality, logic or empathy. Even today we have machines that can be controlled through the brain, and her brain was already digital. It makes no sense that they would have put her inside a stuffed toy with no agency besides two preset phrases, when they could have given her a robotic body she could have moved and spoken through. There's no way a stuffed toy was the pinnacle of medical and robotic technology. The one redeeming thing in the episode was the pain doctor story. It was outlandish and disturbing and it had some great dark humour, but importantly it was believable. Years ago I thought it would be neat if a doctor could inhabit the body of his patients for a moment to more accurately diagnose their symptoms. If this story was made into a full episode it would have been my favourite of the season.
Conway79 Okay, so look at each of the narratives as an allegory of catharsis and look at the relationship between audience, protagonist, and creator hidden in each of them. Does it change your opinion if you see any symbolism and commentary in these stories.
I feel as if the scenes where people pull the lever at the museum weren't real, but a sick, twisted version of what Rolo thinks people reacted like when they did such an act of cruelty, think about it, how many people do you know would actually enjoy themselves and smile as a man screams, suffering the most horrible of pain as they slowly realize they were the ones to cause it? Only a minority of people like that exist in this planet.
I dunno, with the way some places on the internet get, I can believe people could rationalize their way into enjoying it. Reasons like "he deserves it" and "it's just a copy, not the real thing". I mean, this episode takes place in the same timeline as the Justice Park so it seems that there was a time when that society was pretty into cruel and unusual punishments.
The finale of Black Museum wasn't just about people's sadistic obsession with execution, it was specifically about America's sadistic obsession with black suffering. Often black men who were lynched weren't even given a trial; people would give their kids the day off school, the bodies were also usually burned and mutilated and people would even take pictures and send postcards to relatives. Generally even when a white man was sentenced to death his body would be treated with some respect, the local preacher would make sure of it. Black bodies on the other hand were a vehicle for white hatred, people took pleasure in seeing the person suffer. That's why they emphasise the fact that Rolo and others don't care if there were doubts about the trial or the evidence; because they just want to see a black man suffer. (See also, Trump's reaction to the central park five and his refusal to apologise for his comments even after they were found innocent.)
Most likely not, as that would be too obscure a reference for any viewers other than some savvy US viewers. Is the director of this episode American by any chance? That would up the chances - even though Black Mirror tends to deal with globally recognizable inspiration and not Americana.
Remember Victoria's portrait as "child killing" from White Bear in the first exhibition of museum ? You'll see "Double Suicide" and "Cloning without Consent" Me : Yay Season 5 would about double Suicide and cloning tech lol
It annoys me how people are acting like the easter eggs mean the shared universe is as extreme as something like the avengers. Its just little nods but people are acting like its a big deal
I'm glad you touched on the digital divide between generations in relation to Nish's tech savvy-ness! Personally I preferred Black Mirror as a set of unrelated installments a la twilight zone because I feel like it gave the writer(s) way more free range in terms of creative approaches to the ways human nature and impulse can be shaped by tools and tech. While I'm very interested in the exploration of consciousness the writers are now going for, I worry that the focus will be less oriented towards creating compelling narratives about hypothetical (and real) technologies/how they relate to humanity in exchange for over-produced attempts to tie everything together.
This video was posted just as i finished binge watching your other black mirror videos it was great watching them all in order. You have such an interesting perspective on all of them and you notice so much stuff i missed. Great videos!
The whole ‘transfer a dead/comatose loved one’s consciousness into your brain’ thing had an uncanny resemblance to Karl Pilkington’s film pitch starring “Clive Warren” but when Carrie was put in that monkey it really depressed me to see how they completely dehumanised her, just to make myself feel better I like to think that after Nish avenged her dad, she uploaded Carrie to San Junipero (or a similar virtual world) so she finally has peace. I also found the ‘pain addict’ story intriguing and honestly wished it was a full-length episode to itself, that self-harming scene was REALLY hard to watch.
I loved the message at the end of the episode. Revenge has the potential of making you just as evil as the person you're avenging. Nish turning ugly at the end of the episode is a chilling message about our self righteousness. Whenever we see nasty people commit terrible actions, we end up thinking like Nish. In that regard, she represents us.
I felt so proud of Pilkers with this episode he actually commented on it and said he didn't mind them nicking the idea as there are only so many, he was glad a good idea was being put to screen
Was i the only one who heard how in the episode it said something like "Carrie got hit by a Bus,and then she got sent to San Juniperus(the Hospital)" lmaoooo
Wouldn't say I hated this episode, but it was far from a favorite, I didn't mind the sub-stories inside though it's not a favorite method of story telling since it tends to unanswered questions at times. I am more bothered by the fact Nish was able to do all the things to facilitate her revenge. As well as upload her mother's consciousness into her own mind.
Fantastic analysis of this series! I know some aren't a fan of these episodes with multiple stories but I quite like getting these little snippets of interesting ideas
It’s been heavily implied in the other episodes of the show that BM is in a shared universe, so getting the confirmation in Black Museum was great! Rolo definitely serves as a devil/demon-like entity in the episode, but when he starts helping Neo-Nazis and sadists get their fix, you can tell that even he was really uncomfortable with what they were doing, and by extension, his enabling of this behavior. Nish was also an interesting enough character, whose tech prowess is fully explored in Black Panther, a direct series tie-in ;)
Anthony Gonzalez it’s not about a shared universe. Black museum is a metaphor for the show itself. We, the audience, are the visitors, who love watching others (the characters) suffer because it causes a catharsis inside us. I mean read your comment again. You are literally happy that all those devices that were mostly used to hurt people exist in one universe. You are thrilled by the stories of people’s suffering and like many others binge watch it. You just distance yourself from it by thinking « it’s just fiction » but still... this episode also comments on the purpose of black mirror itself. That’s rather dark when you think about it. So many people miss this, which makes it pretty ironic and funny in a dark way. This video misses it as well and just basically summarizes the episode. If you want a real analysis of the episode watch Wisecrack analysis of it.
Thank you! One of the things that bothered me a little about this episode was the conflation and confusion of cookies and transferred consciousness. They're treated like the same thing in this episode even though previous episodes like San Junipero and USS Callister portray them as separate concepts. If they really are just cookies though, that does add a somewhat dark and depressing underlayer to San Junipero. These people are being sold an afterlife, but it's not them that gets to experience it despite that being how they're being told it works. It's the false pretences that are troubling in my perspective since they're choosing to die early because they're under the impression that only their body is dying. To me, it'd be a bit less grim if they were being outright told that it was just a copy since I've sort of come to terms with the idea of iterations of myself living on even if it's not my current consciousness that experiences it, but I'm willing to accept that's possibly a niche opinion.
So I just finished this. I really liked the episode, and early/midway through the episode I was thinking it would be cool if this black museum was a recurring season finale for future Black Mirror seasons where a new museum visitor shows up and Rolo shows them all the new technology he collected (technology that will be shown throughout all the new Black Mirror eps) and then Rolo ends up doing an experiment with the visitor. And ultimately he will will repeat this each season. I know it sounds dumb written down on here but it sounded cool in my head lol
Your analysis videos are absolutely amazing. After binging about a dozen, it occurred to me how silly it would be of me not to subscribe. So I just subbed. :-)
Did anyone else feel like the the murder that Nish's father was accused of was actually committed by the doctor? I felt like it was strongly hinted at in the doctor story
I didnt watch every episode yet but i liked this one and i like rolo as soon as i saw the prisoner i rolled my eye knowing exactly what was going on “damn she better not kill him”
thegossipswan009 Try looking at it as a parable of catharsis that asks what Black Mirror even is and you might see it differently. Why do you watch a show that tortures people as the Doctor did? What rewards do you receive experiencing the indignation of Carrie? Did you experience the satisfaction of justice as all the tourists did during the meta-passenger final execution?
It has a gritty tone that takes a while to adjust to, but in another perspective, it seems more attached to our seperate interractions, yet feeling as a whole... I don´t know... just a thought.
Anybody think Rolo was behind all this consciousness tech ? Because I saw a number amount of Easter eggs which I would think it was all his creations he was affiliated with
Thanks for this review, it was the best episode of the bunch! I get the feeling it might be actually the last episode, all these references throughout and easter eggs and the fact that Rollo - a man behind most of the Black Mirror technology is killed in the end for all the things he's done - it did feel like a goodbye episode to me.
I chose not to touch on the final twist regarding Nish's Mother because I genuinely thought it was really stupid that she was in there all along. It ruins any form of independence Nish had and just seemed like a very unnecesary aspect to include. It also seems weird that she possesses a technology that CLEARLY had more negatives than positives, and yet was somehow convinced that putting Mum in there would be a good idea? I thought she was supposed to be smart!
Harry's Moving Castle probably the shock of losing both parents was too much so she wanted to keep her mom there as long as she could.
Harry's Moving Castle
Yeah that twist bugged me too. Felt like it was just put in their as a "Gotcha! Haha were so smart"
I didn’t like that twist :/
Also didn't she say the mother overdosed on pills from the grief of seeing her husband in the chair ? Does that mean you can transfer the consciousness from a dead person or maybe she managed to transfer the data just before she died and if the mother did kill herself what makes us believe she would want to live on inside her daughter ? Seems very stupid to have it in alright , great analysis btw keep it up
That’s a good point, but doesn’t that make it scarier? The pain and damage from her father’s wrongful treatment prevented her from having any independence until she killed Rolo Haynes whom she never met but is obligated to have an vendetta against due to the pain and injustice that her parents went through. It had nothing to do with her and yet she ended up a murderer in the end, unlike her father. Her mom being in her head actually gave me an existential crisis when I first saw it. Like Killmonger and Nish, that’s what it feels like to be young and black. Should I devote my life to avenging injustice or move on and be happy? Nish can’t, there’s always something there to remind her!
I feel soooo bad for Carrie omg. Why didn’t they just put her consciousness back into something else ? They could upload her to San Junipero or something like that .
Chris G. Idk if you noticed but every episode of black mirror is in its own universe with very similar traits, there was probably no San junipero in this universe
This show is just like twilight zone, every episode takes place in a different time, a different dystopia, in a different place
@@smellmyclock but in the episode Nish mentioned something about San Junipero or the cloud, meaning it is there and they could have transferred her there
smellmyclock no, its all in the same universe. Different times but same universe
I like to believe that after Nish took her, she brought Carrie to someone who could upload her conciousness to San Junipero.
Cami did you not read what I said, different universe with very similar traits much like twilight zone
I thought the doctor getting addicted to pain was a clever inversion of the opioid crisis. Instead of doctors getting patients horribly addicted to painkillers, we see the doctor himself addicted to pain. So clever.
Fecalage nice perspective 😊Never thought of that.
Woah, never thought of it like that! Good observation my guy!
Fecalage we became a cinobite
I thought it was just overdone and just an uncomfortable edgy gorefest
@@ESFDragxnFistEntertainment What did you expect from a Black Mirror episode??
what bothers me about this episode is that he states that all the little keychains aren't recordings but copy's of his conciseness which means there are still hundreds if not thousands of copy's of this girls dads consciousness still out there in eternal torment...
Phovon jesus.... 😐
Luke Ed I hope that was the case
Luke Ed his consciousness didn’t die
That was the most terrifying part for me. Still get a sickening feeling when thinking about it: a consciousness in eternal torment.
No. As it was a copy, it doesn't matter what happens to the original.
Nish is tech savvy because she's from Wakanda.
Jadasan holy shit i only noticed now. I was wondering were i saw her
Wakanda forever 🙅🏾♂️
Get out XD
Jadasan TRUTH!
stop
Who in their right mind would agree to have their partner inside their hard 24*7? I mean it wasn't even a abrupt decision, he took some time to think about it. We all knew it was going to end badly the moment the idea was put forward.
Plus its not the same as having them with you. You cant hug them or kiss or be intamate..which is a huge part of a relationship. It was a dumb idea from the start.
Because she agreed to do so.
@@jauume but the machine is not 100% accurate. plus it was cruel to Carrie, she had to deal with not seeing her son and also her husband moving on to a new lover.
I know. I have tinnitus with this hissing noise in my head, and that's a pain in the arse as it is, even though I've gotten used to it.
@@ohnonotanothergachatuber1129 I believe that the characters are unrealistic in that situation, faced with the same situation you dd be able to find a conclusion.
there is no way his ex would be so demanding given her position and life experiences. I can see how the guy is very easily manipulated, as shown by the businessman and his new wife both controlling him but it doesn't make sense why his ex can't.
Rolo Haynes might just be the best Black Mirror character. Such a shame he died at the end. I could easily watch another three episodes of him going around tricking desperate people into using dangerous technology. He's like the devil of Black Mirror, bargaining for peoples souls.
Since Black Mirror episodes are not in chronological order, him dying would not necessarily preclude us from seeing him again. However, the fact that they have never had any recurring characters (easter eggs notwithstanding) probably would.
I agree, he would make a pretty good antagonist
he's still alive in the keyring.
Well I have the same thinking as you! I really like how he symbolizes the Devil of the modern ages
It’d be a cool show ending finale to see him watch over the crowds in 15m merits or be seen giving instructions to the guy that kidnapped the princess in national anthem,even seeing him as a member of white bear would be cool
I'm going to choose to believe Nish transfered Carrie to either the cloud or a BRB style robot after taking her out of the museum.
Also I wouldn't call Carrie a souvenir for Nish. You failed to mention that Nish's mother was inside her head the whole time, presumably to see justice for her husband (I highly doubt anyone would want their mom inside them forever and am fairly sure her mother lives in the cloud most of time and this was an exception.) Carrie was also a victim of Rolo and deserved Justice just as much as Nish and Nish's mother
And remember when Rolo wakes up we see Nish placed Carrie in a position where she see what was happening too, even getting a close up of her monkey staring at him as he gets electricuted. Once they leave the building she gave Nish a thank you in the only way she could by saying monkey loves you.
If anything Nish is Carrie's rescuer. And as I mentioned before I highly doubt Nish would keep her in that monkey for long. If she can transfer Rolo, into Clay's hologram, she can get Carrie into a better vessel it would be far easier.
L. T C.
True!
Thank you. I felt the same way
Cizia Zyke Rolo is that you from Beyond the grave?
Cizia Zyke
shut up.
@Akbbba I'm pretty sure Cizia is trolling. No one can be that stupid lol
The BDSM Doctor was a perfect backstory for a super villain. He was basically turned into a human cenobite.
The fact I was looking at Hellraiser content from yesterday to today too😂
In my headcanon he went to the Cenobite Hell and experienced the pleasure of pain there.
Has no one noticed that the 2 rats are called Kenny and Hector....
I know now I'm like is that really them...killed by that psychopath?
I don’t get it?
@@arthurmorgan4460 From shut up and dance I think but idk
@@bonnardireichbeaty1421 correct
Most people noticed
This episode freaked me out, I had to stop after the first mini plot line cause goddamn it was terrifying
Very terrifically frightening
The first one was just an appetiser, it got so much worse for the next two victims
Dr Dawson scene in front of the mirror was really fucked up. Reminded me of the Fly but this was sel mutilating because he enjoys the pain.... Makes me verrry uncomfortable
What ever you do then, don't watch the movie "Poltergeist", the mirror scene.
Yeah it was extremely disturbing
Maybe I'm too tired but it felt like you just summarised the ep?
AiiCii yes. He’s had some bad analysis’, but this was by far the most disappointing to me.
This episode didn't have as many layers as the others, so I didn't feel like going into any more detail was necessary
Gabe T. This episode had a lot of points and issues he could’ve touched on.
Lol ikr
yum
Lovely to see a video maker who actually likes this one! A lot of people seem to be jumping all over it just because it's a compilation of mini-episodes type of story. As if that's a bad thing in and of itself.
Jane Ross Yeah I can't see how that's guaranteed to be a bad thing
Did people forget how amazing White Christmas is?
It's actually my favourite episode in the whole series
The stories were good. The revelation of the girl being the dead guy's daughter, and the ending were fucking retarded and cheap.
Yeah, it's weird how she faces no consequences for using the dangerous technology or brutally murdering someone.
Whereas Joe and Matt from White Christmas both end up losing everything. In fact, most BM characters suffer far worse fates for significantly less egregious actions.
I loved the mini episode feel! It's probably one of my favorites
Carrie getting stuck in the monkey was the funny part of the episode, especially when Rolo said nowadays they have to be able to say at least five things, I laughed so hard. Pretty horrific when you think about it though. She would have been better off just dying in her original body, because her fate was worse than death.
Thanks for making the analyses, I've watched them all. Hopefully see you for S05.
Species1571 I smiled when Carrie said “Monkey loves you” on their way out of the museum.
I, personally, hated the analysis. He seems to have completely missed the allegories of catharsis running all up and down this episode. Yes, the title was a reference to the show itself, but not as a nod to Easter Eggs, but as to how the show questions what it is.
No shit her fate was worse than death lol. I thought Carrie's story was the most horrific part of the episode because isolation is one of the absolute worst things that can happen to humans. Not to mention that she can see other people but they would have no idea she exists, and she can't communicate at all with them. And she can't kill herself either, so she's stuck like that. And Rolo said they have to be able to communicate at least 5 different emotions, not just say things.
Four-Eyed Koi same. I felt like he just summarized the episode
the doctor was kinda darkly funny too lol -getting orgasms from people dying
This was my all time favorite episode of Black Mirror because it has all the best things that keep me coming back: Horror stories involving tech and the unknown, existential crises and moral ambiguity. I cringed, dropped my jaw and paused throughout!
A lot of people don't like this episode... they're watching it as a Black Mirror episode, that's the problem. What I personally like about it is it's kind of a nostalgic throwback to anthology horror movies like Dark Side or Creepshow. I'm a big fan of those.
they're watching it as a black mirror episode because that's what it is, you can't selectively pretend that something is something other than what it is to increase the enjoyment of it. I'm allergic to lobster so i'll pretend this lobster is actually made of tofu so I can eat it! problem solved.
That’s why people didn’t like iron man 3. The dumb fucks thought they were watching an iron man movie, but they were really just watching a bad movie. What would even indicate to them that iron man 3 was an iron man movie
No people don't like that episode cause the end is especialy dumb and boring, Black Mirror episodes have a tendancy to have weak ending but this one was downright terrible.
Well they have a good reason for watching it as a black mirror episode, because it’s a black mirror episode
I’ve got to say, the twist at the end was spoiled by the Netflix subtitles
The first time that “Nish” spoke, the subtitles read “in British accent”, implying that it wasn’t her true accent at all.
(Edit: I’m aware of the reasons they have the subtitle. It was just interesting to point out. Also, stop liking this. It’s not that exciting, people... :3)
Not necessarily. They discuss her accent briefly so I would just interpret that as netflix letting deaf people know before it gets commented on.
Spiralobsession nope they straight up spoilt it. They even apologised online.
Oh I didn't even notice that wow
I would say it was spoiled if they said “in a fake British accent”
Mr King Dice but the actress is actually british. The American accent is fake
I don’t think the shared universe is necessarily canon, it’s just a way to treat the audience with easter eggs and little details
Lotte I'd say if was connected to any episode the only one I'd objectively say yeah they're connected is San Junipero, considering Rolo worked for the company that created and hosts it and Nish said Uploading old people to the cloud was a thing that actually happened. But that the only one I'm willing to say are connected the rest is probably just Easter eggs.
I love your picture
They literally talk about cookies from White Christmas, which has a technological progression from tech shown in previous Black Mirror episodes. It's not just an Easter egg. It's a plot point.
Why are so many people so against the "shared universe" thing anyway? Then it would be like any other show. Them all being completely separate universes is the more weird thing to do. And as long as they don't go too overboard with it, and try to do their own MCU crossover mashup thing, then I don't see what the big deal is. It rewards viewers who watch all of the episodes in order, but it's not like it disrupts people who just watch singular episodes.
Many episodes and their techs look like evolution of previous techs or advanced version of it, so it is more likely that is is the same universe. White Christmas, San Junipero and Hang the DJ seems to be either the same tech, or evolution of it.
My top 4 favourite black mirror episode is:
4, the national anthem
3, white Christmas
2, Black museum
1, san junipero
I don't get the hype for San Junipero, it was a very "OK" episode to me.
Why so angry bc ppl like an episode? Let ppl enjoy things.
Out of all the stories, Carrie and the monkey absolutely have the most potential in more ideas for the series. Just like how cookies were introduced and are just kind of a 'thing' now. Some unholy meshing of that consciousness-transfer and (maybe a beta version of) the MASS system would be goddamn brilliant, probably ending up with people in ecstasy comas, too unwilling to exit game.
I for one love the theory that all the episodes/seasons share a universe, and it's my opinion that they're one full timeline, just dated out of order - probably with Metalhead at the very end, bc of, y'know, robo-doge apocalypse. If not that, then parallel universes at least. If there's another episode that basically throws humanity/survival down the drain, then that kind of fucks that up.
But something like San Junipero being a wholly North/Central/South American thing and the system in 15 Mil. being something in a European or Asian regime (for examples) is also possible, since we're given pretty much no context of country as well as time period.
Heck.
I'm with you on that one! Nobody, not even if the creators and writers themselves burst into my house and scream it to my face, will ever convince me that these episodes do not all happen within the same universe.
But Harry, didn't you think that her setting the museum on fire was symbolic of the series not being a shared universe, because now that idea is destroyed?
A pretty terrible theory actually, the existence of the museum to begin with makes it's destruction/the symbolism of it's destruction irrelevant within the theory. By that logic you could just say that at one point it was a shared universe, with the museum being symbolic of that.
Symbolism, unless deliberate, really has no bearing on whatever it's a part of.
the pain addict is showing us our addiction to the pain of others we enjoy when we watch black mirror, we keep coming back again and again.
Maybe that's why you watch it. But I watch it for the creativity behind the stories, and the new thoughts they make me think. I definitely don't come back because I like seeing people in pain 😭
@@redpaige7009 yeah that’s just messed up😭😭
the song in the beginning “always something there to remind me” also foreshadows and correlates with the plot of the episode, foreshadowing nish’s mom being stuck in her head & etc. :)
I imagine Nich probably spent her life working on perfecting her skills in technology specifically for that day.
One thing you missed is that the suviners were copies of the consciousness at that moment, so it's not just a moving imagine but a consciousness trapped in eternal agony
Letecia Wright aka Nish aka Black Panther’s sister... daughter of 🇬🇾
I didn't recognize her in Black Panther but as soon as I saw her in this video I had to pause and find out if it was her.
I don’t know why people are so tilted over the fact that the Black Mirror episodes are in the same universe.
They are. Just get over it. It takes literally nothing from the power of the stories.
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What I don’t think most people got was what the Souvenir keychains actually were... those souvenirs were Copies of the consciousness like what was put in “cookies”... but even more terrifying is that the copy in the souvenir was experiencing eternal pain and suffering from being electrocuted continuously inside that small key chain. So not only did Rolo die, but he will forever feel level 15 electrocution pain for eternity. (Or however long that keychain lasts.) super unsettling!
Makes it worse to think about just how MANY of nishs' dad were made,,
The key chains, and the cookies, and all stuff are just programs. They don't feel. They don't experience. They are programs designed to simulate what the brain does. People are very confused.
Swaggy Dee
I think most people actually did actually get this
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Of course in real life simulations can't feel or experience anything but in relation to this episode the simulations could actually feel and experience things. That's why it's called Sci-fi. ;)
@akshay Viswambharan I disagree. I think in the context of the show they are implying that the prisoner actually has feelings and actually experiences the electrocution every time as if he were alive. The same with the key chains. Of course, as I said it's sci-fi so can be interpreted however you like.
Karl Pilkington deserves credit for the plot of this episode. He pitched it years ago on the Ricky Gervais show Podcast. Charlie Brooker openly admitted he pinched the idea from him.
I still remember the words “monkey needs a hug”😭😭😭
That gal from Black Panther was her, I soon noticed. I don't know her personality, but she seems like a girl-next-door type. She's cute, for sure. I hope she doesn't sell her soul for fame and all that glitters in America.
So glad you gave that nod to Karl Pilkington.
This episode did annoy me. It seemed as though everything that happened to the woman in the coma was designed specifically to make her existence as painful and dehumanizing as possible, with no regard for practicality, logic or empathy. Even today we have machines that can be controlled through the brain, and her brain was already digital. It makes no sense that they would have put her inside a stuffed toy with no agency besides two preset phrases, when they could have given her a robotic body she could have moved and spoken through. There's no way a stuffed toy was the pinnacle of medical and robotic technology.
The one redeeming thing in the episode was the pain doctor story. It was outlandish and disturbing and it had some great dark humour, but importantly it was believable. Years ago I thought it would be neat if a doctor could inhabit the body of his patients for a moment to more accurately diagnose their symptoms. If this story was made into a full episode it would have been my favourite of the season.
Conway79 Okay, so look at each of the narratives as an allegory of catharsis and look at the relationship between audience, protagonist, and creator hidden in each of them. Does it change your opinion if you see any symbolism and commentary in these stories.
the doctor story ruined the episode, it was shit.
The doctor's story was amazing. Empathy slowly turned into sadomasochism. It's a very subtle and deep philophical point about empathy and sadism.
that's black mirror for you bro
I thought of that too. I didn't see why they didn't put her inside a full body robot.
I feel as if the scenes where people pull the lever at the museum weren't real, but a sick, twisted version of what Rolo thinks people reacted like when they did such an act of cruelty, think about it, how many people do you know would actually enjoy themselves and smile as a man screams, suffering the most horrible of pain as they slowly realize they were the ones to cause it? Only a minority of people like that exist in this planet.
I dunno, with the way some places on the internet get, I can believe people could rationalize their way into enjoying it. Reasons like "he deserves it" and "it's just a copy, not the real thing". I mean, this episode takes place in the same timeline as the Justice Park so it seems that there was a time when that society was pretty into cruel and unusual punishments.
The finale of Black Museum wasn't just about people's sadistic obsession with execution, it was specifically about America's sadistic obsession with black suffering. Often black men who were lynched weren't even given a trial; people would give their kids the day off school, the bodies were also usually burned and mutilated and people would even take pictures and send postcards to relatives. Generally even when a white man was sentenced to death his body would be treated with some respect, the local preacher would make sure of it. Black bodies on the other hand were a vehicle for white hatred, people took pleasure in seeing the person suffer. That's why they emphasise the fact that Rolo and others don't care if there were doubts about the trial or the evidence; because they just want to see a black man suffer. (See also, Trump's reaction to the central park five and his refusal to apologise for his comments even after they were found innocent.)
Ross Kitson you hit the nail on the head! :)
Ross Kitson black mesuem was labelled to denostrate our need for dark stories
Lol nice try.
Most likely not, as that would be too obscure a reference for any viewers other than some savvy US viewers. Is the director of this episode American by any chance? That would up the chances - even though Black Mirror tends to deal with globally recognizable inspiration and not Americana.
Benjamin Antman tbf I’m British and I’ve heard about the lynchings and kids being given days off
The one person who downvoted must have needed a hug
the part with the guy who enjoyed pain made me cover my eyes while watching a video for the first time in as long as I can remember....
Remember Victoria's portrait as "child killing" from White Bear in the first exhibition of museum ?
You'll see "Double Suicide" and "Cloning without Consent"
Me : Yay Season 5 would about double Suicide and cloning tech lol
Cloning already done in season 4: That guy with his stupid ship.
Rolo Haynes is easily the best character of the show.
First episode I watched with my dad. Spurred a pretty heartfelt conversation between us on the subject of the death penalty. Great video! :^)
I love the performance of this guy who played Rolo in this one. Great narration and great surprise villain.
This was soo great that If Rolo wasn't physically dead , I wanted to describe the story of every object in that museum
It annoys me how people are acting like the easter eggs mean the shared universe is as extreme as something like the avengers. Its just little nods but people are acting like its a big deal
Dentally Challenged you mean all the characters won’t team up and use that tech to fight aliens? 🙁
@@KookiesNolly alll against the metal headsm
They are in the same universe just different locations and time periods
I like your reviews so much that I'm watching them BEFORE viewing the episodes!!! Keep it up, my man!
you’re right about nish being a little big sadistic at the end but oh my god if it wasn’t cathartic plus her saving carrie was amazing i love it
Idk I felt like there was a racial element to this episode as well. Maybe it's just me
Blaze ?
Can you explain?
Not really
Many people off all races are found guilty even though they are innocent
Blaze There 100% was, don't expect any white person to a knowledge or explain that.
Literally the only character whose intelligence is being questioned in a Sci-fi world.
I'm glad you touched on the digital divide between generations in relation to Nish's tech savvy-ness! Personally I preferred Black Mirror as a set of unrelated installments a la twilight zone because I feel like it gave the writer(s) way more free range in terms of creative approaches to the ways human nature and impulse can be shaped by tools and tech. While I'm very interested in the exploration of consciousness the writers are now going for, I worry that the focus will be less oriented towards creating compelling narratives about hypothetical (and real) technologies/how they relate to humanity in exchange for over-produced attempts to tie everything together.
They could have made this 3 separate episodes but all linked together: 1) the doctor. 2)Carrie in the monkey. 3)Nish
This video was posted just as i finished binge watching your other black mirror videos it was great watching them all in order. You have such an interesting perspective on all of them and you notice so much stuff i missed. Great videos!
I'd love to hear Karl Pilkington's thoughts on this
He asked during an interview whether or not Clive Warren or Rebecca DeMornay starred in the episode 😂
Sir Eel Who's that?
Head like a fucking orange
headbite alien a brilliant mind
Samuel Pomfret and the second part! He also did a film where two consciouses were in the same head.
I was looking for your black museum episode yesterday and ended up watching some other trash vid. Thank you for putting this out!
This honestly was a great episode,, maybe one of my favourites . I completely agree with Nish honestly,,
I now wish that Nish walked around the museum looking at all the artifacts yelling, "WHAT ARE THOSE!!!!!" Ha ha. Black panther reference.
The whole ‘transfer a dead/comatose loved one’s consciousness into your brain’ thing had an uncanny resemblance to Karl Pilkington’s film pitch starring “Clive Warren” but when Carrie was put in that monkey it really depressed me to see how they completely dehumanised her, just to make myself feel better I like to think that after Nish avenged her dad, she uploaded Carrie to San Junipero (or a similar virtual world) so she finally has peace. I also found the ‘pain addict’ story intriguing and honestly wished it was a full-length episode to itself, that self-harming scene was REALLY hard to watch.
It’s 4 am here Harry...😑
But the temptation is too good 😂
Thanks for uploading 😊
NERD Incorporated I am in Japan 😊
So many references was fun and the stories were like mini-black mirror episodes
this ending was satisfying and very very happy in my head, so...
watched the entire series including your analysis after each one! Loved the commentary afterwards. Nice work!
If they can implement the consciousness into the robot in Be right back, then people can literally be brought back from the dead
I loved the message at the end of the episode. Revenge has the potential of making you just as evil as the person you're avenging. Nish turning ugly at the end of the episode is a chilling message about our self righteousness.
Whenever we see nasty people commit terrible actions, we end up thinking like Nish. In that regard, she represents us.
this episode had me at the edge of my seat
I felt so proud of Pilkers with this episode he actually commented on it and said he didn't mind them nicking the idea as there are only so many, he was glad a good idea was being put to screen
Was i the only one who heard how in the episode it said something like "Carrie got hit by a Bus,and then she got sent to San Juniperus(the Hospital)" lmaoooo
He said St Junipers...maybe it's a play on San Junipero
Wouldn't say I hated this episode, but it was far from a favorite, I didn't mind the sub-stories inside though it's not a favorite method of story telling since it tends to unanswered questions at times. I am more bothered by the fact Nish was able to do all the things to facilitate her revenge. As well as upload her mother's consciousness into her own mind.
L. Wolf She didn't come for revenge as soon as she was born. She took her time to learn & plan everything after all its all about her Father.
The pain addict one fucked me up. Such a scary thought of being addicted to inflicting pain on yourself 😭😭
The doctor thing was great. The series at its finest.
I'm so glad you mentioned Karl actually came up with this idea in his ''Love in two Brains'' movie concept.
"Endless suffering" and that's the bottom line of the black Mirror
This was the best episode of the season because the entire season was underwhelming compared to previous seasons.
Ain'tMyself They weren’t as dark this season. Which was why I loved this one so much. Writers are pointing out what sadistic fucks we are.
Thank you for reviewing the whole series, I always look forward to these. :)
The twin peaks music plus the black mirror scenes made me happy
Fantastic analysis of this series! I know some aren't a fan of these episodes with multiple stories but I quite like getting these little snippets of interesting ideas
You should do a ranking of your favorite episodes this season
I really enjoyed your videos on this serie, thank you for your good work !
It’s been heavily implied in the other episodes of the show that BM is in a shared universe, so getting the confirmation in Black Museum was great! Rolo definitely serves as a devil/demon-like entity in the episode, but when he starts helping Neo-Nazis and sadists get their fix, you can tell that even he was really uncomfortable with what they were doing, and by extension, his enabling of this behavior. Nish was also an interesting enough character, whose tech prowess is fully explored in Black Panther, a direct series tie-in ;)
Anthony Gonzalez it’s not about a shared universe. Black museum is a metaphor for the show itself. We, the audience, are the visitors, who love watching others (the characters) suffer because it causes a catharsis inside us. I mean read your comment again. You are literally happy that all those devices that were mostly used to hurt people exist in one universe. You are thrilled by the stories of people’s suffering and like many others binge watch it. You just distance yourself from it by thinking « it’s just fiction » but still... this episode also comments on the purpose of black mirror itself. That’s rather dark when you think about it.
So many people miss this, which makes it pretty ironic and funny in a dark way.
This video misses it as well and just basically summarizes the episode.
If you want a real analysis of the episode watch Wisecrack analysis of it.
This episode was one of my favorite! I loved the story with the doctor
Thank you! One of the things that bothered me a little about this episode was the conflation and confusion of cookies and transferred consciousness. They're treated like the same thing in this episode even though previous episodes like San Junipero and USS Callister portray them as separate concepts.
If they really are just cookies though, that does add a somewhat dark and depressing underlayer to San Junipero. These people are being sold an afterlife, but it's not them that gets to experience it despite that being how they're being told it works. It's the false pretences that are troubling in my perspective since they're choosing to die early because they're under the impression that only their body is dying. To me, it'd be a bit less grim if they were being outright told that it was just a copy since I've sort of come to terms with the idea of iterations of myself living on even if it's not my current consciousness that experiences it, but I'm willing to accept that's possibly a niche opinion.
So I just finished this. I really liked the episode, and early/midway through the episode I was thinking it would be cool if this black museum was a recurring season finale for future Black Mirror seasons where a new museum visitor shows up and Rolo shows them all the new technology he collected (technology that will be shown throughout all the new Black Mirror eps) and then Rolo ends up doing an experiment with the visitor. And ultimately he will will repeat this each season. I know it sounds dumb written down on here but it sounded cool in my head lol
What a mind boggling episode
Rewatching this, I really like the music (beats) used, it stayed with you after the episode was done, and it's creepy in a black mirror way.
Your analysis videos are absolutely amazing.
After binging about a dozen, it occurred to me how silly it would be of me not to subscribe.
So I just subbed.
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"The artifacts stored in the museum" Well Played. Very Well Played.
As a commentary on the fans, it works well, as a story it's haunting. One of my favorite episodes, not of only the season but of the series itself.
Did anyone else feel like the the murder that Nish's father was accused of was actually committed by the doctor? I felt like it was strongly hinted at in the doctor story
I know this is late but, how so?
i loved this episode sooo fucking much, kinda shocked to see that people don't like it very much. definitely my favorite black mirror episode.
a ranking of all 19 episodes by my fav black mirror youtuber
I felt so sorry for the mom. They should have transferred her consciousness back into her original body.
I didnt watch every episode yet but i liked this one and i like rolo as soon as i saw the prisoner i rolled my eye knowing exactly what was going on “damn she better not kill him”
Not a fan of Black Museum. It was too much & not enough at the same time. But overall, Black Mirror is an excellent series.
thegossipswan009 Try looking at it as a parable of catharsis that asks what Black Mirror even is and you might see it differently. Why do you watch a show that tortures people as the Doctor did? What rewards do you receive experiencing the indignation of Carrie? Did you experience the satisfaction of justice as all the tourists did during the meta-passenger final execution?
It has a gritty tone that takes a while to adjust to, but in another perspective, it seems more attached to our seperate interractions, yet feeling as a whole... I don´t know... just a thought.
I liked black mirror good too see something good happen. A sort of nice ending it’s always so doom and gloom
Love the fact that in the story which was most likely inspired by ramblings of Carl Pilkington they chose the Monkey as a toy :D
Thank you for doing proper analysis and not just Easter eggs
Anybody think Rolo was behind all this consciousness tech ? Because I saw a number amount of Easter eggs which I would think it was all his creations he was affiliated with
The arc with the doctor was so disturbing but it was probably my favourite part lol
It's not only a reminder, it's actually his consciousness experiencing hell forever.
Black Museums,PlayTest,San junipero has to be the best top 3 episodes of Black Mirror ! Blew my mind
In st junpers hospital that sounds like saint junapares the heaven on earth there is a tcker reserch inside
Monkey needs a hug
Thanks for this review, it was the best episode of the bunch!
I get the feeling it might be actually the last episode, all these references throughout and easter eggs and the fact that Rollo - a man behind most of the Black Mirror technology is killed in the end for all the things he's done - it did feel like a goodbye episode to me.