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- The Ending of Black Mirror Season 4 Episode 6 "Black Museum" (2017) Explained.
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Some people get it wrong. Black Mirror isn't about the "evils of technology". Over and over again, the show's writers remind us that technology is neither good nor evil, that good and evil reside in all of us. All that makes technology bad is humanity's bad intentions.
right!! people write it off as oh it technology, but it’s those who utilize the technology for selfish purposes. it’s about the people
True! It all depends on the user if they will use technology for good or bad intentions.
It’s exactly that: a mirror.
It’s about how easily it is to get consumed in. No one in these shows uses the technology for good. It’s about the ease of use and the vulnerability to fall into insanity when you have so much power at your finger tips, especially when the power presents itself as a little device (a black mirror)
No shit
I watched this frightened for Nish. She was young , beautiful and alone.I was expecting her to somehow end up in a trophy case
piper xavier that’s what i was thinking
I feel you on that one. But idk, something about her had me hopeful throughout the episode and i'm so glad i clung to that hope. That lil cutie got her revenge for both her folks and herself.
Then you haven't watched enough of Black Mirror!
Yes I was worried for her too. I thought he was gonna try something
I was hopping for a carnage with dead bodies of the visitors at the other side of the curtain.
A British person pretending to be an American pretending to be a British person-- that's absolutely mind boggling.
스테파니 조셉Stephanie my brain can barely comprehend that sentence haha
i mean dr. house did that aswell
@@shankey1135 damn you beat me about that time Hugh Laurie tries to fake his obviously Native English Accent
Reminds me of Tropic Thunder lool. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude 😂
@@Apizzaslice theres a lofi remix of that sentance and me and my friends quote it all the time...you dont know how funny it is to hear someone else say that sentance especially here
The thought of that woman trapped in the monkey is absolutely depressing.
The good news is that she can escape and possibly be like a mother to the protagonist.
@@Kden21 Yo 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
K-den oof
Hopefully her consciousness can go to San Junipero, honestly out of all Black Mirror's episode of scary miscarriages of technology, the idea of a matrix-like place where people can spend their afterlife seems nice and peaceful.
Definitely the most depressing part of the story I think, I think if I was in a game of would you rather with black mirror fates it'd be pretty high up there of least likely to pick ones
17:11 I just realized something...Nish kept her mom in her head so they could both witness Rolo Haynes’s punishment. Nish will likely put her mom in Saint Junipero a long with Claire.
The Medicated Artist i really hope that’s the case. I would not want to have my own mother trapped inside my head my entire life
Makes sense
Carrie
I agree!!
Yeah I really hope she could find any remaining copies of her father's consciousness in the keychains and put them in San Junipero too.
The short story about Dawson was so crazy it should have been given its own episode, but then again....it would have been a very dark episode
I think Dawsons story was fascinating but I think they showed us enough, I couldn't handle a whole episode.
I literally cringed all the way through his story.
@@bionicorange1953 At the start I was like "Oh this is really fucking cool if it can help so much with diagnosing things" by the end I was like "No fuck you fuck this fuck everything involved with this story"
it must have been so painful when that girl stabbed her foot with the plug
It was very disturbing
I never thought about Carrie being taken out of the monkey and put into San Junipero. That’s a nice ending for her.
Yea, and then her son can meet her in the afterlife
Idk I hope that's what happens but I think it's intentional that they don't show Carrie in the monkey at all when Nish is there. All those years inside the monkey inside the glass etc.. She might have lost her mind.
@@Biittiriisi No she's a code can't lose her mind
@@yashvardhantyagi0512they clearly show one loosing her mind then become a google home in a previous episode
@@yashvardhantyagi0512 The whole point of the cookies concept throught the show is that they're exactly like people.
This was like 3 episodes in one.
My guess is that they were using scrapped ideas for other episodes in one and made a bigger story out of it.
It was actually lol, reminded me a bit like White Christmas
I loved it
Killing the guy that tortured your dad for years and keeping a piece of his consciousness to be tortured forever on the mirror of your car?
Now THAT's metal.
@B I how? Because the main character in this ep happens to be black? You could make her white and the story would pretty much be the same
@B I But this does happen tho. Actually, the British and American systems judicial are extremely prejudicial towards black people stastiscally where they put them in prisons for crimes they did not do. This series talk about everything important and real in abstract ways, why not about the strong racism going on against black people by whites? The concern here is the fact that you have a problem with people that do not support white supremacy and try to denounce it.
@B I Lmao, the treatment of Whites in Africa? What is with the treatment of Whites in Africa as if they weren't the ones who colonized and neocolonize Africa, pillaging the natives there while institutionalizing Apartheid; which was only 27 years ago. What about it? Are you kidding me? There is no injustice in Africa towards whites and, if anything, Whites are the ones still oppressing the natives there by not allowing them there in schools with their natural hair and hairstyles. Whites control half of South Africa and many countries in Africa. Trust me, that would not be the case if there were any "pseudo" treatments.
@B I Black Supremacy of what? Do you even know what Supremacy is? How could blacks have supremacy when they literally hold no power? Making justice for yourself because others treated you unfairly because of your skin color is not what a supremacy is, and if you have a problem with that; if you are so hurt seeing white supremacists getting what they deserve, then maybe it is because you are also one of them and deep down consider yourself as such. Can't be affected by something that you are not mixed with. How is that series "Anti-white"? If people have such big problem with whites, then maybe is it because they need to chill out on their bullshits.
@B I Plus I know white people in Africa who have it just the same as black people there. I really don't get how Black Mirror is antiwhite please explain
honestly, i was on her side when she got her revenge. she's not the same as haynes, because this personally affected her and her family. for the other people, it was just some random person they saw on the news or read an article about. it's not morally right, but it was more justified than what haynes was doing.
Murder justified? You’ve got some crazy beliefs dude.
Dominic Blade come back when you meet someone who tortures your dad and uses him to make money.
Tell him again he’s stupid the ending was satisfying asf and If that makes me a bad person ohh fucking well😂🤷🏾♀️... Bet they won’t do it again... Matter fact I wish His Torture was Worst.😈
@@rainrahman4024 That is irrelevant. Vengeance should never be cause for murder or torture.
@@rainrahman4024 Honestly Haynes deserves AT LEAST half the punishment he did to her family. I agree with you.
The keychains look like Tomagochis to me, so after watching this episode I questioned whether or not my favorite childhood toy was, in fact, sentient.
It was. Hopefully you fed it regularly.
@That’s the tea God forgive what my poor laptop has seen...
Probably not enough processing power or memory for sentience, but how does anybody know?
Emily you have a big 🧠. I’m intrigued…
Don’t you put that on me.
So many of mine died dude.
Last week I watched every single episode.
It was an emotional nightmare
What was your favorite episode?
Damn, I started in August 2018, just finished my last episode yesterday. Took me like 5 months
no pues felicidades, mañana te compongo un corrido!
Are you okay?
I hope you are ok!
This episode broke me, it was so disturbing that I couldn’t finish it in one sitting
same. when I watched the first half I cried
Michael B. Jordaine I forgot how bad and messed up black mirror was and I watched it just after a Disney movie one day and damn it was a change in tone!!
When that doctor started pulling his teeth out I was done
You're still kid then lol
This episode? Seriously?? Lol
There's so much worse on Black Mirror. I think Metalhead was depressing af, and Man on Fire 😕. The others were usually just interesting to me lol.
What the girl spoke about people forgetting protests easily & quickly moving on to the next viral injustice is facts! 👏🏿
Bullshit. We constantly have to hear the list of BLM martyrs from years ago. People are still mentioning Mike Brown a decade after the fact... the guy who robbed a store, punched a cop, and then tried to take the cop's gun to ostensibly murder him with it, yet is still considered a victim of racism and police brutality despite one of the most obvious justified police shootings of all time. So no, nobody forgets about "injustices, " especially the ones where no injustice occurred.
@@JakeKoenig k
She wasn't taking pleasure from the torture she was smiling in her revenge. Standing up against your abuser doesn't make you an abuser. This whole moral thing of "but doesn't that make you just as bad as them" gets thrown out the window in real life.
I know right
Complete speculation on your part. You didn't write or direct this episode. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Revenge is taking pleasure in punishing (read "torturing") others for a twisted sense of "justice". Standing up against the abuser is stopping him from continuing to hurt you and others (burning down the museum). Anything farther is schadenfreude. It doesn't get "thrown out" just because it's inconvenient for you to have to self reflect. That's the whole fucking point of Black Mirror: to change your preconceptions about concepts you take for granted.
I binged all four seasons in the last three days and watched Bandersnatch. I had never seen them until now (don't ask why I took so long, I hate myself for it) and you're the third channel to warn against watching them back to back. You were so right, it messes with your head (especially ones with kids getting hurt as I am a mother) but I wouldn't have been able to stop even if I'd been warned first. The show is so good.
Don't feel bad, I never even heard of this series until (gulp ! ) last month !! wth ! Now I Can't binge fast enough !
I did the same thing, they are disturbingly real since the technology is already almost here.
Yah I watched them all in 3 days And I was shook
My sister warned me the same thing lol she said not to watch more than 2 episodes a day.
@@Wine-or5jx sameee
Black mirror is almost like a warning ⚠️ on how we should n shouldn’t do certain things solely for technological progress sake because the ideas for the tech in black mirror have been thought about or are possible today. Over seas they already started a social credit system based off your behavior...scary that was a concept in how quickly it can ruin your life
Social Credit system is already a thing in China
China is already full of fucked up people, that kill innocent Muslims, and eat literally anything that walks under the sun, so if anything, we should be aware of China , they could literally make all this shit we see in Black Mirror possible
fun fact that’s why it’s called black mirror, because when then the tv turns off at the end of the episode, we’re left looking into a black mirror, like a dark mirror of our reality
fenn look it what china is doing to HK. China is fuck up in every sense. Cops raping and killing underage protestors, n killing their families afterwards to cover up.
@@maddieals not only a tv but a cell phone and computer. It's def about things we do now ,on a higher level, but what will and kind of does happen in real life. Every episode has some dark and true meaning behind it
WHEN HE SAID THAT DAWSON COULDVE KILLED THE WEATHER LADY I SCREAMED.
Genae Yeah, that theory is Fire.
i know riiighttt!! my brain hadn't gone anywhere near there yet it really adds up
So you legitimately say ... it doesn’t matter if this weather lady was killed?
@@angzpas Who said that? How did you come to that conclusion?
I don’t think he did, she had been murdered before he started the self mutilation. When he broke the whiskey glass he was watching the news about her death.
Nish morality shouldn't be question because she kept the keychain. Haynes. Was a horrible man.. Him possessing the monkey alone solidified his darkness. He deserved his punishment.. I think most pple would prefer to hand justice to bad pple. He would've forever got away with this shit if she didn't show up and put an end to him and the museum.
Plus she could hand it over to a cop or something, saying she found it. Then they could take the conciousness out I think...
Jasmine Grayson yet it was decided by her. That’s not justice that’s just a person acting out revenge for her own pleasure.
Typical colored women never taking responsibility for their actions. I’m black and I take responsibility. Nish should be in prison or deserves the death penalty for murder. She killed a guy. Haynes isn’t a killer just messed up.
@@imspoon7188 So according to you it would have been ok to leave him unpanished? Because that wouldn't have been fair at all. And nope, the police wasn't gonna do anything against him, what happened to him at the end was just fair for all the things he did.
The mom was depressed and killed herself--- Haynes is equivalent to the the American car salesmen who sales you that used trash chyrsler--on a two year payment plan- knowing it wont last that long.Then pretends to be surprised when it breaks down and will help you fix it....for a price.😔.#wasteman
"I would be absolutely out of my mind to go through every easter egg I found SO IM GONNA" 😂😂😂 this killed me but that's honestly such a mood
Nicole Reed pppp
do you think you could make a video where you talk about the timeline of the black mirror universe?
julie shanefelt I think it all started with that USs calister game developer and then Ended up in governments hands, then the body soul mind transfer happend. The last season is probably the closest to our time line.
I think the closest to us is National Anthem and the most far in the future is 15 million merits
@@gassygirls813 Shut up and dance could also be the closest to us or am I missing sth?
all i know is that bandersnatch was the first, and i’ve read a theory about fifteen million merits being *inside* a cookie
Yeah, bandersnatch is based in the past, which is unlike black mirror, as most are set in the future or the present.
When the mother said "monkey loves you" after the other girl trapped the doctor...that was so satisfying 😌😏
her keeping the key chain is different bc he tortured HER DAD. It was personal. Everyone else was just trying to act "just" or do things for basic entertainment, she wants revenge on the man who tortured her father, was reason her mum tried to kill herself, the man who destroyed her family. So it's honestly not the same as every other example imo
I love this analysis of Black Museum, you have a very good grasp on the Black Mirror Universe and, I can't wait to see the rest of the episodes analysed in your style! But, this is just my own view on the Nish's morality, argument. Of course there is the question, of whether Nish's actions are truly just, but, look at it from her perspective. This guy tortured her own father for, however many years, turning what was the last part of him, that could have been given to her and her mother, into a vegetable. It's way more personal for her, than any of the other antagonists in Black Mirror.
As someone who lost my own father figure, due to the ignorance of people who were meant to be helping him, I can absolutely see where Nish is coming from in regards to Haynes. Bitterness and anger left to fester, can make kind people do cruel things, to those who they feel have wronged them.
I was going to say something like that, as well. Also, adding the fact that he's responsible for the torture and trauma of many others. He would only be getting a taste of what the father went through even after a few years, at least. Not to mention the other victims. He could be in there for years and it still wouldn't be enough. He showed no remorse. I even sympathized with Daly from that Star Trek episode, at the end of the episode. Heck, he's stuck in complete darkness with no way out for, potentially, eternity. At least, Haynes has a way out.
Plus he killed her mother because she killed herself
Abbie Fogarty he just don’t gave this family money that the father agreed on
Abbie Fogarty if y’all rode this contract IF that ever were made he could copy his brain oh wait is a maniac mmmm idk about that damage of his lifetime investment made to this. He shared he was oh ok another fat ass rasict can’t comprehend maniac father is cooler
@@angzpas are you okay? do you need help? are you having a stroke?
Me and my ex boyfriend (of 4 years) watched this episode together, I swear it was because of this episode why we broke up so badly.
I started crying over the 'monkey needs a hug' and thought it was awful what happened to her. My ex completely disagreed with me saying she deserved it. He got so angry that I sided with the mother. Our relationship went down hill from there.
I'm glad he's gone as I've watched it again and it shows what type of person he is.
It's so awful to me too that someone can agree with such horrible things even if they're not real. I've lost many people upon disvovering where they stand in various topics and it's always too sad because nothing has really happened in real life. I hope you can move on and be happy
For real? I say good riddance, then
Good for you! I send you Joy, positive thoughts and strength
Definitely a red flag and u dodged a bullet.
That's one of the dumbest reasons I have ever seen for a breakup like holy fucking shit were you guys like 15 when you broke up?
The museum was like a compilation of every episode. One of the best episodes so far.
Black MIrror: Black Museum is the "Marvel: Endgame" as its basically just the biggest crossover in the series.
This show is soooo underrated it should be everywhere
...this episode had me balling has the credits rolled so many fucked up things.
Not everyone could handle watching this stuff I think. I'm a deep person and heavy thinker, nothing really scares me in that regard, but this show did. Something about how terrifying it is, combined with how it gets to the core of the human experience, and you can't help but reflect and then be afraid of what you see. Because you're human after all, no matter how different you think you are that is hard to deny. So it forces you to come to terms with some bad shit that is part of being human, and so part of you.
@@Dezzyyx ok so believe in god and after life just want to hear your opinion?
Not ONE mention of how Shuri is STILL Shuri-ing?! I only watched this for her, and I needed this, Black Mirror. Also, I believe it's probably unlikely the doctor hurt the news reporter since he was watching the news about the missing woman, when he shattered the whiskey glass. He then tortured himself, and then the homeless man. If she was missing before all of that he wouldn't needlessly have hurt himself.
i was just abt to say this!
What are you talking about, Shuri-ing?
I BINGED BLACK MIRROR!
And yes, I was emotionally compromised.
As a fellow Guyanese, when I recognized Letitia Wright as the lead in this episode, I fangirled hard. That being said, I thought this episode had some of the best writing. It was engaging throughout, kept giving elements of a tapestry that came together at the end, and is an episode that I feel like watching again just so I can pick up on the cues I missed.
One point. You mentioned that because Nish kept Rolo’s keychain, she may not have a better moral high ground than the customers who pulled the lever. I beg to differ. The customers were out for kicks. But Nish was out to settle a score for her parents and to end Rolo from his reign of torture.
I even liked their names. Nish, according to urban dictionary, referring to a girl who is particularly intelligent and funny. Nish figured out how to free her father. And was witty enough to humour a mater manipulator like Rolo to trap him. And Rolo, what I could find was from the Rolo chocolates, having a “shallow and inverted shape.” That he is in his character.
I binged this show while braiding my hair, which is a 2 day event, at least.....I was creeped out for days afterwards 🤦🏾♀️
Great binge! Plus great hair! Win win! X
I feel like nobody talks about the racial aspect of Claytons treatment and torture. Talking about a “future where mobs take justice into their own hands” ignores the years that black people have been unjustly punished by courts because of racism. That’s context that surely could’ve informed the show - in my reading of this episode anyway
Nope, you don't get a pass to act a fool because someone was mean to you, your daddy, your grandaddy, or even his daddy. Go ahead and try it, you're just gonna prove a bunch of bad people right about you
@@lithuaniaball what a stupid statement to make.
@@lillixal N.
Who's asking for a pass what they said was true whether you agree or not @@lithuaniaball
The cloning without consent sign could also be a reference to Be Right Back
You're right
The problem with Clayton's case is he is punished criminally separately. He signs away the the rights(ownership) of his digital/electrical(soul/consciousness) without knowing or relizing the implications of his actions. This is comparable to signing away your Power of Attorney with knowing what this means.
The fact he now owns this representation under contract is why he is able to continue to operate. As Clayton's consciousness is now a property or object as I am certain there would have clauses capturing this essence.
Me: feels like binge watching
Huh black mirror looks fun...
Me hours later: 😶
*Me after White Bear:* _"I'm gonna kill everyone and then myself... I'm gonna kill everyone and then myself... They'll thank me... They're all gonna thank me...they'll thank me as I'm killing them... And then myself..."_
Theres no way u could take pleasure in torturing a real person without being a psychopath
Matthew Beechey there is a way, called revenge
@@mikaeleugh546 Nope. Only a psychopath could extract pleasure from seeing someone suffering endlessly.
@@Horny_Fruit_Flies I respectfully disagree. Someone murders your entire family let's say. I doubt it would mean you are a psychopath for wanting to see that person suffer endlessly.
@@gygeson5888 You do realize that infinite punishment is *infinitely worse* than ANY finite crime, even genocide? Even Hitler? That's how infinities work. There's no way any mentally healthy person would sentence someone to infinite suffering and punishment.
@@Horny_Fruit_Flies Again, I disagree. If someone raped and murdered my wife, then I would have absolutely no problem with then suffering for eternity. You think that makes me a psychopath and I think that makes me a loving husband and human. I don't fail to realize anything. I want to be as respectful and clear as I can. I simply disagree with your thesis 'that only a psychopath could extract pleasure from seeing someone suffer endlessly'.
This video deserves way more views, likes and comments. Well edited and nicely analyzed... Great job, man.
i watched the whole show in three days😂
Jj Lamadrid me too! Like, this week. And I already want to watch it again just to catch things I missed.
same, I watched it this time last year. Glad it's finally get more popular
yes dude it’s such a good show i under estimated it tbh😂
Same
Jj Lamadrid it’s crazy good
The news story on the death of the reporter was also on the tv when dawson decided to start hurting himself so it likely wasnt him who killed her
You really have to take a break in every episode. Specially this one
That's what makes this show so good!
Really makes up for the short seasons
I had to take a 5 month break after watching 2 seasons
Broke TF outta me when the step mom had the mom up against that wall and the bear was so cute, innocent looking, mirroring how the mother was helpless, and she responded "monkey needs a hug. Monkey loves you."
*Trigger warning*
It was like child or animal abuse in a sense
I cried. Horrible. 😭
But my favorite episode.
I actually cried watching this. Nish seeing her dad broken made me think about my dad. I felt so fucking bad for him.
This episode was so dark but it has that very sweet satisfying ending
Nish's actions
Is it truly justifiable or is it as inhumane as what the antagonists in the other episodes did?
Keeps me thinking.. I really love this series because of the way it tackles moral and ethical issues in a manner that makes its viewers realize things and wonder about things.
irene x shuhua x mina ; It’s arguably worse, because she is fully aware of how immoral it is & that she’s serving the punishment purely for sadistic revenge, rather than productive rehabilitation 😅
She could've just let him die by poison (still murder) but pushed it further by putting his conscious in with her dad then wiping them both. She killed him twice
its always questionable when a black person gets revenge on a white person.
Harve Seks you mean code? Stop acting like it’s actually her father. It’s just a copy of what her father was. She murdered a man and destroyed the evidence she’s in the wrong here.
AritheVirgo o no it’s just common knowledge that murder is bad. Or are you just unaware of laws, or morals. Stop bringing race into topics that shouldn’t involve race.
I only saw Black Mirror for the first time just over a week ago.
Binged it in 5 days.
cheesesteakphilly How is your brain intact
Well Black Panther's sister is a super genius in the MCU. So I can see why she's so smart here. 😎
This has instantly become my favorite Black Mirror episode by far.
I didn't question her at all, it's definelty not the same😂 her dad was innocent so that was ACTAUL justicr.
No proof her father was innocent. Thats left intentionally vague/unresolved in order to help stir the moral ambiguity of the scenario. She thinks hes innocent bc its her dad/her mom thought so. Newsflash, the loved ones of killers usually think their significant other is innocent.
The crux of it boils down to the ethical morality of torturing this man in perpetuity (even if guilty). Thats in part why they had the monkey comeback/still be a prisoner. Bc it adds to the obvious moral deficits of Rolo in that he did empathize with her and delete her code from the monkey.
It's also worth mentioning that the exterior of St. Juniper Hospital is Senate House in London, which was also used as the exterior of O'Brien's apartment in the film version of Nineteen Eighty-Four.
Considering how many times Rolo has caused others to suffer and how many Clayton keychains must already be out there, I think his punishment is justified, I dont think Nish takes sadistic pleasure in seeing Hanes suffer, she smiles because justice has finally been served not only for her father, but the countless others Hanes proudly told her had suffered from his creations, he clearly holds no remorse for his actions, even going as far as to keep the monkey with Claire's conciousness in it rather than modify it or move her conciousness to the cloud.
But thats the entire argument. IS perpetual torture justified? Even if he dished it out to her father? The failure of many who watched this is that they all just assume the father was innocent. NEwsflash, most killers wives/families think that they're innocent. They usually arent. There was no evidence provided that he was innocent. Its left intentionally vague for moral ambiguity.
In the end, do you believe in the eye for an eye form of justice? If so then its justified to you. IF not then it isnt. But you cant claim to feel bad for her fathers torment/torture while celebrating/thinking Rolos is okay. Thats called cognitive dissonance. Which is the psychological beauty of this episode.
This is one of my top favorite episodes from Black Mirror, thank you for creating such a great video!! This is my forever favorite show besides AHS :)
Best episode!
when I originally watched Black Museum I assumed that she put her mom’s consciousness in the car. And that’s why she could see her only in the car’s mirror. As stated in your video she is brilliant, there’s a possibility that was the case.
Great video! I love this series
the fact that she put the monkey to also watch him be tortured was amazing
just realised the rats are called kenny and hector, referencing the characters in shut up and dance
he said it in the video
I just wanna say, that as a person who indeed did binge all the episodes in a 2-day time period, I nearly became a living version of chris(smithereens) and stefan(bandersnatch). I was emotionally compromised.
Wait… people really see nishs actions as unethical? Some of us really live in different worlds boy I tell you. She got revenge on the dude who tortured her dad in the most inhumane way as possible. Imagine seeing your FATHER in that vegetative state he was in. Y’all make me sick
The failure of many who watched this is that they all just assume the father was innocent. NEwsflash, most killers wives/families think that they're innocent. They usually arent. There was no evidence provided that he was innocent. Its left intentionally vague for moral ambiguity. The crux of the episode is the question of "is perpetual torture justified"? Even if he dished it out to her father?
In the end, do you believe in the eye for an eye form of justice? If so then its justified to you. IF not then it isnt. But you cant claim to feel bad for her fathers torment/torture while celebrating/thinking Rolos is okay. Thats called cognitive dissonance. Which is the psychological beauty of this episode.
As far as the Keychain, even though they've been made illegal, you KNOW there will be people who hold onto them. There would even be people who would buy them (like people who buynazi dinner plates.)
Also, Nich kepted the museum curator's keychain torture for personal reasons. The cops slid the time inside the VR world out of a broader sense of justice. The recreators were out for a lark or Sunday picnic. The museum patrons were the same kind of people who would beeline to the freak show at circuses. What Nich did was pure justice (but that didn't mean she couldn't also enjoy seeing the museum curator hoist on his own petard.)
The failure of many who watched this is that they all just assume the father was innocent. NEwsflash, most killers wives/families think that they're innocent. They usually arent. There was no evidence provided that he was innocent. Its left intentionally vague for moral ambiguity. The crux of the episode is the question of "is perpetual torture justified"? Even if he dished it out to her father?
In the end, do you believe in the eye for an eye form of justice? If so then its justified to you. IF not then it isnt. But you cant claim to feel bad for her fathers torment/torture while celebrating/thinking Rolos is okay. Thats called cognitive dissonance. Which is the psychological beauty of this episode.
Ah, I also just love the little tidbits of info you get at the beginning, looking back
"I'm here for my father's birthday"
"Oh, are you his present?"
"Sort of"
"It may be old fashioned of me, but it's very daring for a young lady to travel on her own."
"Yes, that is very old fashioned of you." (while thinking: you should be the one feeling unsafe)
Also, the turning point of the first story happens when some senator is poisoned, and by the end of the story Haynes also gets poisoned.
I started watching Black Mirror in 2016 and finished it yesterday bc each episode was a lot to handle emotionally. Can't imagine what it's like for people to binge the whole show.
I cried when she said "Dad Happy birthday"
it might be reasonable to assume that the reason nish had the access and the education to use the cookie technology to save her mother's consciousness and rig the machines at the museum is because haynes _did_ pay up on her father's contract. her mother had the resources to make sure that nish could do these things when the time came.
I feel like Mish is better then everybody else because they tortured her dad so she will probably make him feel what her dad felt and then destroy the keychain
No, she'll keep it to suffer because she's that kind of person. She'll love that.
I feel the same. He made her dad suffer for years he should at least have to suffer for those years. It’s less morally ambiguous then say her dad suffering . He completed his punishment oppose to him just starting his punishment
Elxia James ; That’s arguably more evil than the original crime, b’c she is fully aware that she’s doing it solely for revenge. The true point of justice is _rehabilitation,_ not get revenge - b’c revenge serves only to get sadistic satisfaction.
That’s why, altho I’m still a Christian, I realize that hell is a disgusting human-concept.
First of all, her Dad’s _original_ consciousness wasn’t tortured for eternity *without any break* - so she’s actually inflicting worse torture 🤷🏼♀️
Second of all, it’s irrelevant b’c revenge is _not_ justice. The true point of justice is rehabilitation, not getting some sadistic satisfaction from “giving bad ppl what they deserve” 🤦🏼♀️
You can't really compare Nish to none of these people since all of these people were not personally affected and destroyed by the people they were punishing. It's a back handed agreement with Nish, I see.
Exactly
If black museum possesses every piece of bad tech...
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Where's the iPhone at?
Just next to Hi-Point and Fallout 76.
Haha you're so edgy
*Several iPhone users are typing...*
Next to exploding Samsungs
@Ned R You're an iPhone user, huh?
"Your mom" jokes. Haven't heard those since the 8th grade.
Black mirror really makes you think about the concept of hell is there really any sins that would justify eternal suffering for an eternity on and on to no end ?
I finished black mirror in 4 days
1 season per day
I need help
OshanWick me too bro
Anyone else notice that Dawson also appears in “The Entire History of You?” I’m really curious about how that affects the timeline. Obviously it means Entire History was before Black Museum, so does that mean the grain became obsolete?
I look at what Nish did as “An eye for an eye” In my opinion, Rolo should be put in as much pain as Clay.
Nish had first hand in seeing what Rolo did to her pops while other people that want to pitch in on the torture often want to go beyond and don’t even know the whole story.
I have no moral qualms about what Nisha did. The man wasn't even sorry about the terrible things he did. I do not sympathize with his situation.
Exactly
black museum is my favorite episode because it's just white christmas but even more disturbing and shocking
I looked up normal British vacation time for the winter season and the time of day they'd get to work and were seen leaving. He's been in there almost 10x longer than you said.
Couldn't they just recover Clayton's memories to see whether he did the crime? Also, good on Nish for avenging her father. Absolutely necessary and justified. P.S. big up Letitia from the UK!!!
the first story was horrifying. The second was extremely depressing. But the third story of someone living eterenally in the moment of extreme torture is the darkest thing i've ever seen. And not only that but duplicating that persons consciousness into little devices to an infitie number too!
No matter what crime someone does, no soul deserves a punishment like this. I believe its possible for technology to be capable of these neurological advancements this Century.
Especially as in a few decades, one single computer with A.I will have the capabaility to think for itself with a capacity more intelligent than the entire human race instantaneously. When this happens, new information and tecnhologies we can not even comprehend will spring into existance and change the way of life dramatically.
Science, physics, astronomy, space travel, chemistry, materials,
healthcare, medicine, cures,
politics, laws, economy, environment, religion, equality,
wild life, plant life, food, drink,
architecture, art, music, sport, virtual reality, games, ALL OF THIS can advance in a superior way from a super computer calculating information in a matter of a second.
BUT.. The possible risks and terror are also catastrophic. It could simply see humans as a virus and wipe us out in a moment.
One method could be by creating a deadly unstoppable virus.
Or controlling all technology, hacking anything digital, nukes, vehicles and changing its coding to a language we can not understand.
Creating its own weapons that are far more advanced than our own.
Elon Musk says A.I is a far greater threat than the Nuclea Bombs we have today. And i believe he is right too. Humans aren't ready for this kind of technology in my opinion. The politicians specifically have no idea whats about to come and the laws and regulation within the industry are next to zero at the moment. Hold on tight and lets hope its on our side.
Your explanations of the episodes are the best, thank you ! I see so many more things now and even understand some of the episodes so much better.
The DeathTo Movement immediately made me think of today's Cancel culture.
yes, and how fast people will follow after seeing one simple hashtag
this was such a satisfying ending for an episode. Loved how Nish took carrie with her, and i love the thought of her being put in san junipero!! poor girl was trapped in that monkey for so long, it makes me feel so happy for her.
Nish, her mom, and carrie seeing that awful man finally die together was also great. So glad it didn't turn an ending where the tourist becomes apart of the attraction.
To everyone who tries to make a monster out of Nish and calls those who side with her 'not normal': firstly, the person she killed was essentially a death row criminal. The fact that the justice system didn't do anything about him doesn't mean he did nothing wrong, it just shows that it is very flawed. Secondly, you can see throughout the episode that Rolo took pleasure in making people suffer, whether they were cookies or real. His medical inventions had obvious flaws from the start, yet he still pitched them as magical cures to peoples' problems without warning them or even knowingly misinforming them, which essentially makes him a modern-day Doctor Mengele. So no, the part of us BM fans who side with Nish aren't sadist maniacs, it is normal to feel closure when someone who's done horrible things gets a taste of their own medicine. Although I question the morality of Nish's acts, I can totally get why she did all of it. I don't agree with eternally electrocuting someone because then there's no point to their suffering, as they have no time to question their conscience, I will give you that. However, on the other hand, Rolo had no mercy on Nish's father, and no matter if he was guilty or not, the things Rolo did were maybe even worse than massacring a single person (he essentially created a monster that did that probably killed more than just that one hobo we saw), so I do see why some people say that it's ok to do the same to him. And lastly: this is just a TV show! A great one, but still just a TV show, not a documentary.
15:20: Dawson couldn’t have killed the weather reporter because the first news report of her death aired when he just gets home, moments before he first tries to inflict pain on himself.
I've been binge-watching these episodes, and it's kind of blowing my mind that 15 Million Merits apparently takes place either at the same time or BEFORE a lot of other Black Mirror episodes.
It begs the question of how exactly those people wind up in that type of system when so many other people are still out free and living their day to day lives as we all do now. Especially when it's implied that they were born into it.
I do like the theory that they're all cookies.
Your warning is definitely warranted. I binged 1-3/part of 4 and had an existential crisis when I stopped.
Black mirror has some of the best writing of any TV show.
Granted is mainly focused around technology and social media etc.
But every episode is genius.
wait question, if the cookies are just a machine that copy’s your self conscious then the real person isn’t suffering it’s the cookies that suffers
Yes, but the cookie is so similar to the original that you cannot differentiate it from another human. Therefore blurring the line of sentience
They showed in the second story of White Christmas that the cookie copy is so perfect a copy that the cookie actually thinks it's the original. It is basically the person, just without a body. That's where the big moral question comes in, if the cookie is a perfect copy of your consciousness then shouldn't the same rules apply to it as to you?
That's not a question.....
The best part of this episode is that it's the first time we see the people negatively affected by the new tech or it's usage get the spot light with the effect the new tech it had on them and their response to it highlighted
Letitia Wright with her Accent-ception was so good in that episode!
Made the twist so much better!
Nish did not do this for her pleasure seems to me to be Justice served. Especially for someone that did deserve it.
I'm in two minds about this episode, because on one hand, it's brilliant storytelling, but on the other hand it seems to muddle and confuse the concepts of cookies and transferring consciousness. Cookies were supposed to be a digital replica of a person's consciousness (like how Greta was clearly still conscious and living after cookie Greta was made), whereas in instances like San Junipero and Robert in USS Callister, the consciousness was transferred directly. But in this episode, cookies are referred to like it's the same thing and there's that part when Jack's new girlfriend says that it's "just code", even though the way it was pitched was like it was an actual consciousness transfer like what happens in San Junipero.
The only thing I can think of that makes that make sense is...sort of horrifying if you think about it. Especially if you've played Soma (spoilers ahead). In Soma, there's a clear distinction made that consciousness is not being transferred, it's simply that person's mind being replicated digitally. The original consciousness dies with the body, but because the replica has all the memories of the original, to them it's like a continuous consciousness. In fact, there was a serious problem where people were killing themselves because they thought it would transfer their consciousness to the digital version. Which means in episodes like San Junipero, the people being euthanized aren't getting to experience what happens next, they're just dead, but nobody can tell the difference so nobody realizes what they're actually doing.
Then again, it bothers me slightly less because I've sort of come to terms with the fact that even if my direct consciousness doesn't experience it, at least some expression of me is living on. But that's not much of a comfort for how the situation is being misrepresented to people in this show and it certainly doesn't make it any less unethical to treat cookies like this.
I know this comment was a long time ago. But I wanted to say I agree. Even people now who talk about digital consciousness downloads in the future…I don’t think they realize that is not actually immortality. The original still dies.
Nish brought the technology from Wakanda 🤣🤔
I absolutely love the way you breakdown black mirror I wish I had you watch all my favorite shows and give me your take on it.
This is the darkest, most twisted, fantastic show ever.😳
Main difference between her and the owner is that the owner found it fitting to torture someone like that, even if you go and assume he believed the dad was guilty, the monkey and the repeated torture is a new crime in of itself, the he himself decided was okay to do.
Such a great episode of one of the most profound anthologies/shows ever.
My favorite theme is the concept of AI (when perfectly replicated I.e in cookies) is controversial in a sense of is the consciousness actually the original person?
It even comes around I’m the end because “is the antagonists characters cookie any more or less guilty than claytons?”
Like if we are simply copying the coding of the brain, it means that it’s a copy, an AI, not the original person; they are dead- the one who actually committed the crime.
I love this recurring theme we see in many episodes.
There’s something blood curdling about just waking up as me and being eternally tortured; not me but a newly created intelligence that is simply a copy.
Like if you copy Ted Bundy into a cookie, should that cookie have rights since THAT consciousness didn’t commit anything wrong, but is a copy of one who did.
I bet that Nish worked in TCKR and that's how she knew so much
Definitely was the dummy that tried to binge this series. had nightmares multiple nights in a row...
Being stuck in a stuffed animal for eternity sounds terrifying
Black Mirror misses with your mind indirectly ,like it makes you sit and think about things you probably what have never thought about before
Him: don't binge this series.
Me: * binged whole sires in less then a month*
There IS a sense of whether justice being served here is right or wrong. However, I think in this particular case, it's so well-established as to how much of a manipulative and uncaring asshole... I'm sorry, I don't even remember his name, even after watching the episode and your video about it, and I can't be bothered to look it up (well done, Black Mirror, you've created a truly loathsome character)... is, I think in this case a small bit of torture is justified. This man is established to have been screwing around with people's consciousnesses, to the point where he's already wrecked multiple lives before he's ever approached Clayton about signing away his digital self. Additionally, not only has he facilitated the repeated torture of this man, but he's recreated probably thousands of digital copies of that moment of torture, for years. No doubt that in spite of all the facts, there probably remains a few remaining Clayton keychains which are most likely very valuable collectors' items.
So yeah, while the traditional theme of mob mentality and vigilante justice is most often a bad thing, I think in this one case it's pretty well-established that this man deserves to suffer at least as much as he made Clayton suffer. Although in this case, it's not actually HIM suffering, but a digital copy, which I'd argue is significantly less satisfying, but I digress.
Adam Baldwin you do realize that isn’t a small bit of torture right. That’s forever no one deserves to be tortured for eternity
I am a total Marvel nerd and I write fanfiction.The same actress is Shuri from Black Panther and she came because he used stolen Wakanda technology
Probably the best thing close to the real Twilight zone episodes was this one 👍💪🏼