Thanks for making this video Dave. The interview with Joe was really insightful and further confirms my own experience with getting 'closer' to nature. I was propelled out of my comfort zone in my earlier twenties when I connected with a group of parkour/climbing lads, pushing me to explore movement in a way that was purely for the sake of the feeling of the movement, and the overall creative experience. I never realised how much trauma I had held on to from my youth that held me back due to low self-confidence and most importantly, poor self-efficacy - my trauma taught me to be overly cautious, in a sort of permanent 'fight or flight' mode as you both discussed in the interview. Removing myself from an environment that only rewarded and valued heavily structured activities and engaging with chaotic 'flow' of the wild - of which an urban environment can present if approached from a different perspective (parkour brain!) - gave me an outlet to experience recovery. To get into the parasympathetic state, even while not strictly resting, in fact often quite the opposite. You touched on this near the end of the interview and I agree with your perspective, Dave. The break between the bouts of work is where the pleasure is, where you can tally up all your efforts and experience the body take it all in, and renew yourself. Thank you.
I initially though a 40 minute + video on PTSD would be a long one… couldn’t believe how quickly it went by! Would have listened to the both of you for much longer. Thanks Dave for another powerful and deep video.
I’ve started using fresh water and sea water swims and I also jog bare foot on beaches. I also do yoga every day. I’ve seen dramatic changes in body and mind in a positive way. In the yogic way of looking at things the skin contact, the micro organisms in your body connect with the micro organisms in the soil and communicate. Taking a dip in mountains, Dubh Loch for example brings me a much deeper interaction with the landscape you are literally immersed in nature I have found this so powerful and the relaxation of body is amazing. Sometimes you just have to try! Fantastic interview Dave!
Your videos are very enlightening and philosophical, especially for what I assumed was just a climbing channel, and this was no exception. It occurred to me while watching that the audio quality in this video is brilliant. I think it works very well with the woodland setting and background ambiance and birdsong. I think it's much better, and much more soothing, than if it were crystal clear and without echo.
Dave, I'd just like to say that this was one of the best videos you've ever put out. Really insightful and fascinating. I for one, and probably alot of others would welcome more of these. Maybe even a podcast is on the cards?
A friend and I climb regularly in Derbyshire. We often 'joke ' before we set off in the morning '' Where is the sadness and suffering venue for today ? '' The feel of rock is therapeutic ,but it can also be injurious. Gardening is really helpful , especially in the internet age, where experience is too often indirect.
That's a truly astonishing belay effort. To hold someone for 6 hours in the freezing cold wearing just a t-shirt, baselayer, and goretex jacket. I've never done any winter climbing routes so I can't relate. Though I have been out in winter seasonal and very cold conditions several times. I understand the numb feelings and sub concentration levels/levels of awareness to focus important needed energy, whilst being aware of current health state. It's not pleasant. Respect.
great casual interview, thanks for creating it, + sharing all that insightful thinking. major heart-surgery has altered my life, but am able to connect in different ways to t natural world thru mountainbiking + swimming (@ a low level of effort)
I had knee pain for fifteen years until I started wearing minimalist/barefoot shoes and doing squats. The pain went away in two weeks. I’m also more mindful of how I move my body.
Wonderful video! I remember in one of other videos, Dave was describing a method how to calm himself. He talks to his belayer in a soft calm voice, saying that everything is alright and everything is under control, though it might be not 100% true. By saying this out loud it helps to change your own perception and to calm yourself. I guess something similar happened when Joe realized he left all the gear on the wall :D At this point being mad and blaming your partner won't help! Really a lot things to learn from this story.
I think the idea with that is actually to affirm to yourself when it _is_ true that you are in control and capable. He went on to say that it may not be wise to lie to yourself and push on when in fact it is in your best interest to back off.
It’s funny this video came up on my feed because I’ve been walking my dogs barefoot in the new forest for a while because it makes me feel happy and carefree. People look at me like I’m crazy but if only they knew the benefits. I think it’s kind of like returning to childhood. I also want to start climbing trees again.
Being barefoot is our default state, to look at someone as crazy for that is beyond silly. Also you should start climbing trees again! I'm sure I don't need to remind you, but its extremely freeing and a huge contributor to mental and physical growth, as well as being a consistently fun and therapeutic activity.
Sometimes I wish I had been born a woman. After watching many of your videos I sometimes wish that I had been a woman and had met you before you met your wife. That having been said, all I think I have to say is that there is hardly a wasted second in the material that you put out. Us in the 'west' being financially privileged not withstanding, given proper nutrition and a favorable physical environment, the material you present, in my opinion does speak to what it is to be human.
SIX hours on the belay... and I thought I'd had epics! Thanks for the video Dave, really enlightening discussion, and nice to hear perspective from Joe that even non-fatal, no-injury epics can be traumatic - really validates some of my experiences.
This is one of best videos I've seen in a very long time. Your videos are of a consistently high standard in terms of being considered, thoughtul, open and honest (as well as great production values and really interesting too!) but this one is even better. Thank you Dave and Joe for such valuable insight and honesty. This stuff is so important to being human, whether you climb or not.
"It'’s ok to have your head in the clouds but as long as you keep your feet on the ground" This rung some bells. I really llked what you expressed Dave about Context and digging in to the details (in this case about barefoot running vs not doing it ) Understanding to diffuse and unpick conflict/misunderstanding. Reminded me of Mandelbrot and the theory of roughness ( the further you look into something, the more infinitely endlessly detailed it is, for example a coastline) Essentially why I love this theory and idea is that it is very much in line with context always being of utmost importance and avoiding a generalist approach and grouping when there are differences. A great phrase i love is - Nature contains no measurable quantities, only unmeasurable ‘qualities.’ a perfect way to describe the power of context.
Amazing video, so much to think about. It seems to me that maybe the barefoot running combines the intimate contact with nature, low level stress (in that there are minor but real world consequences of getting it wrong) and that mindful focus in common with climbing but potentially less stressful. Maybe these things combined can allow the mind to separate out the sympathetic responses into situations where they belong, re-acclimatising to a normal stress/relaxation balance, by relearning when you need to focus, and when you can relax. Just a theory.
Really enjoyed the video Dave, quite insightful and helped to join together some dots in my head which I hope will help going forward. Quite enjoyed the different kind of video from your norm. Hope you manage to find some other interesting folks like Joe to interview on the channel. Was also a 'laugh' to hear the Don't Die story first hand, had heard the story years ago from one of Joe's former colleagues, during a CIC weekend.
Joe's book is brilliant, not just for the events he describes but the lucidity of his descriptions, especially of his mental turmoil and healing. It also made me change my attitude to bog! The best book I've read in a long time.
Great talk! Also, I really needed this. It reinforced some of my beliefs that I had already. It's nice hearing other people talk about these beliefs as well 🙏
Thanks for making this video Dave. The interview with Joe was really insightful and further confirms my own experience with getting 'closer' to nature. I was propelled out of my comfort zone in my earlier twenties when I connected with a group of parkour/climbing lads, pushing me to explore movement in a way that was purely for the sake of the feeling of the movement, and the overall creative experience. I never realised how much trauma I had held on to from my youth that held me back due to low self-confidence and most importantly, poor self-efficacy - my trauma taught me to be overly cautious, in a sort of permanent 'fight or flight' mode as you both discussed in the interview. Removing myself from an environment that only rewarded and valued heavily structured activities and engaging with chaotic 'flow' of the wild - of which an urban environment can present if approached from a different perspective (parkour brain!) - gave me an outlet to experience recovery. To get into the parasympathetic state, even while not strictly resting, in fact often quite the opposite. You touched on this near the end of the interview and I agree with your perspective, Dave. The break between the bouts of work is where the pleasure is, where you can tally up all your efforts and experience the body take it all in, and renew yourself. Thank you.
Well stated, mate! I grew up skateboarding and found a calm hurling myself down stairs that didn’t exist anywhere else.
I initially though a 40 minute + video on PTSD would be a long one… couldn’t believe how quickly it went by! Would have listened to the both of you for much longer. Thanks Dave for another powerful and deep video.
I’ve started using fresh water and sea water swims and I also jog bare foot on beaches. I also do yoga every day. I’ve seen dramatic changes in body and mind in a positive way. In the yogic way of looking at things the skin contact, the micro organisms in your body connect with the micro organisms in the soil and communicate. Taking a dip in mountains, Dubh Loch for example brings me a much deeper interaction with the landscape you are literally immersed in nature I have found this so powerful and the relaxation of body is amazing. Sometimes you just have to try! Fantastic interview Dave!
Your videos are very enlightening and philosophical, especially for what I assumed was just a climbing channel, and this was no exception. It occurred to me while watching that the audio quality in this video is brilliant. I think it works very well with the woodland setting and background ambiance and birdsong. I think it's much better, and much more soothing, than if it were crystal clear and without echo.
This was an incredibly insightful interview. Thank you Dave for the consistently helpful and entertaining content.
Dave, I'd just like to say that this was one of the best videos you've ever put out. Really insightful and fascinating. I for one, and probably alot of others would welcome more of these. Maybe even a podcast is on the cards?
A friend and I climb regularly in Derbyshire. We often 'joke ' before we set off in the morning '' Where is the sadness and suffering venue for today ? '' The feel of rock is therapeutic ,but it can also be injurious. Gardening is really helpful , especially in the internet age, where experience is too often indirect.
That's a truly astonishing belay effort. To hold someone for 6 hours in the freezing cold wearing just a t-shirt, baselayer, and goretex jacket.
I've never done any winter climbing routes so I can't relate. Though I have been out in winter seasonal and very cold conditions several times. I understand the numb feelings and sub concentration levels/levels of awareness to focus important needed energy, whilst being aware of current health state. It's not pleasant.
Respect.
An outstanding podcast Dave. Even though I already knew Joe's story, I still found this deeply moving and thought-provoking.
Dave makes great videos.
Really enjoy your video output Dave and thanks to Joe for being so candid and open in this interesting discussion.
Thanks, that was really special, insightful and moving
great casual interview, thanks for creating it, + sharing all that insightful thinking. major heart-surgery has altered my life, but am able to connect in different ways to t natural world thru mountainbiking + swimming (@ a low level of effort)
Thank you for another amazing video!
I had knee pain for fifteen years until I started wearing minimalist/barefoot shoes and doing squats. The pain went away in two weeks. I’m also more mindful of how I move my body.
did I hear right, 6 hours on the belay?
yeah same question! I think i heard 6-8 hours??
Yes 6 hours. I got frost nip in all my fingers and took about a year for them to recover properly.
@@climbermacleod Hero 👑🔥
@@climbermacleod...and you wanted to go out and do it again the next day? 😅
@@climbermacleoddo you feel your fingers have recovered entirely?
Wonderful video! I remember in one of other videos, Dave was describing a method how to calm himself. He talks to his belayer in a soft calm voice, saying that everything is alright and everything is under control, though it might be not 100% true. By saying this out loud it helps to change your own perception and to calm yourself. I guess something similar happened when Joe realized he left all the gear on the wall :D At this point being mad and blaming your partner won't help! Really a lot things to learn from this story.
I think the idea with that is actually to affirm to yourself when it _is_ true that you are in control and capable. He went on to say that it may not be wise to lie to yourself and push on when in fact it is in your best interest to back off.
Great interview. Thank you both for lots of interesting food for thought
It’s funny this video came up on my feed because I’ve been walking my dogs barefoot in the new forest for a while because it makes me feel happy and carefree. People look at me like I’m crazy but if only they knew the benefits.
I think it’s kind of like returning to childhood. I also want to start climbing trees again.
Nature is home some.. biophilia! Also a name of an amzing björk album:)
Being barefoot is our default state, to look at someone as crazy for that is beyond silly. Also you should start climbing trees again! I'm sure I don't need to remind you, but its extremely freeing and a huge contributor to mental and physical growth, as well as being a consistently fun and therapeutic activity.
Fascinating, thank you!
38:41 a nugget of wisdome
Will you ever release the footage from Don't Die? Or too intense?
you can tell this man barefoot runs from his massive calf muscle
Sometimes I wish I had been born a woman. After watching many of your videos I sometimes wish that I had been a woman and had met you before you met your wife. That having been said, all I think I have to say is that there is hardly a wasted second in the material that you put out. Us in the 'west' being financially privileged not withstanding, given proper nutrition and a favorable physical environment, the material you present, in my opinion does speak to what it is to be human.
15:55
SIX hours on the belay... and I thought I'd had epics! Thanks for the video Dave, really enlightening discussion, and nice to hear perspective from Joe that even non-fatal, no-injury epics can be traumatic - really validates some of my experiences.
I had a very stressful situation recently and gardening really helped me put my energy into something a lot better.
This is one of best videos I've seen in a very long time. Your videos are of a consistently high standard in terms of being considered, thoughtul, open and honest (as well as great production values and really interesting too!) but this one is even better. Thank you Dave and Joe for such valuable insight and honesty. This stuff is so important to being human, whether you climb or not.
"It'’s ok to have your head in the clouds but as long as you keep your feet on the ground" This rung some bells. I really llked what you expressed Dave about Context and digging in to the details (in this case about barefoot running vs not doing it ) Understanding to diffuse and unpick conflict/misunderstanding. Reminded me of Mandelbrot and the theory of roughness ( the further you look into something, the more infinitely endlessly detailed it is, for example a coastline) Essentially why I love this theory and idea is that it is very much in line with context always being of utmost importance and avoiding a generalist approach and grouping when there are differences. A great phrase i love is - Nature contains no measurable quantities, only unmeasurable ‘qualities.’ a perfect way to describe the power of context.
I see Dave, I click, knowing I will be enlightened and happy afterwards. Now proceeding to watch the video
Amazing video, so much to think about. It seems to me that maybe the barefoot running combines the intimate contact with nature, low level stress (in that there are minor but real world consequences of getting it wrong) and that mindful focus in common with climbing but potentially less stressful.
Maybe these things combined can allow the mind to separate out the sympathetic responses into situations where they belong, re-acclimatising to a normal stress/relaxation balance, by relearning when you need to focus, and when you can relax.
Just a theory.
Really enjoyed the video Dave, quite insightful and helped to join together some dots in my head which I hope will help going forward. Quite enjoyed the different kind of video from your norm. Hope you manage to find some other interesting folks like Joe to interview on the channel. Was also a 'laugh' to hear the Don't Die story first hand, had heard the story years ago from one of Joe's former colleagues, during a CIC weekend.
Such a good talk
"like an old friend"
Joe's book is brilliant, not just for the events he describes but the lucidity of his descriptions, especially of his mental turmoil and healing. It also made me change my attitude to bog! The best book I've read in a long time.
Impeccable timing, I've been researching a bunch about resilience lately. Thanks Dave!
Great talk! Also, I really needed this. It reinforced some of my beliefs that I had already. It's nice hearing other people talk about these beliefs as well 🙏
A thoughtful segment. Well worth the listen. Thanks
Great video Dave. Really interesting!