Man, I knew it was going to be good, but honestly it was the best climbing related 50mins I ve seen. Any climber, especially above 30 y.o. will benefit greatly from this interview. This all is so much different and better from often encountered unimportant details such as: 'should i rest 7 or 5seconds between repetitions?'
@@davidcross30 Dave should add some photos and make this an obligatory lecture for youngsters: 'Kids this is a doorframe, this is a hold made from drilled stone etc.' I feel that Dave's approach (I love the books and vlogs) is perfect. no bullshit details that have no importance, no spliting training into micro/mezo/macrocycles, and other blablabla that is not achievable for normal people. I love it.
Now I'm very curious. To late today, obviously. But in the next few days I'll finish this video. Fully agree with you and the guys answered to you comment. "9 of 10 climbers..." will be my next book on climbing, which I'm also very curious about. I like about Dave that he is encouraging to develope and to trust one's gut feeling - awsome aproach! Cheers
Neil mensions about how he was off around the world bolting new routes. Some of the most memorable routes I did while traveling such as those at White Mountain in Yangshuo had Neil's name under them in the guide book and they were all brilliant! Full respect and appreciation 👍:) (now I'll continue watching the vid!)
Watched this so many times and it never gets old, there’s always something new I seem to take from it. 2 absolute legends. On a side note I am currently trying a low carb diet and it’s a game changer.
Great interview Dave & Neil. You should consider publishing these long format interviews into a podcast, I would subscribe- makes perfect listening driving to & from work
I can confirm everything that Neil says about diet (parallel evolution for me). At 62, climbing 5.13(8a) for a quarter century without injury, I am closing in on my first 5.14/8b+. The diet works, no question. Awesome to see my two favorite climbing coaches in discussion!
OK, you convinced me. You have found the One True Faith of diet options, and Dave, Neil and I are all a bunch of old climbers (about130 years climbing experience between us) who are jumping on a "fad"....which happens to have started two million years ago. Forgive me for suggesting there might be another optimal option to reach our potential, especially as we get older and watch our insulin-resistant peers accumulate injuries and unwanted weight gain. My own 13 years as a high-carb vegetarian taught me nothing, I must have been doing something "wrong".
Diet is about what works best for you. Low Carb might work well, or it might work terribly. Same as high carb and medium carb. See what works for you and stick with it.
This is amazing!! I've been really enjoying your recent vlogs dave, you have a really calm and sensible way of clearly explaining topics while keeping your videos entertaining, this is the best (or even the only) informational climbing channel out there!!!
Many heroes in the rock climbing world, but Neil Gresham stands alone as a teacher I actually learned literal techniques from, his masterclass videos are the foundation of my climbing, and what I now share with new climbers. His contribution can't be overstated. Without this guy, I really wouldn't know how climb... seriously.
this type of vid is truly a lost art, thanks man. so tired of the sensationalist kinda of vids with no real information. experience is so underrated these days
Dave you have absolutely achieved your aim with this interview. This video is hugely inspirational to this 38 year old climber. It's really instructive to see certain hyped internet topics discussed with calm heads by two climbers with well established public records in climbing achievement, and clear, sensible public discourse. Huge thanks to you and Neil both.
Dave this is first class. I made some major changes to my diet after watching your vlog about curing depression. It worked. Its also helped cure mine. Im 42. I just started climbing again after 8 year break. My hardest route so far is 7b+ climbed over 20 years ago. I will climb 8a before 45. Its on. Thanks for this. ✌🏼
I could listen to the two of you go on for 10 hours! Great interview! Especially great for me at 34 having just started climbing at 29 and trying to figure out injury prevention and keep up with the 20 year old Adonis' in the gym! I would love to hear more talk on the subjects of injury prevention, diet and age. We all know how to pull hard, but we don't all know how to care hard for our bodies.
This has been the best video for me. At 47, while I dabbled in my 20s, I restarted climbing 8 months ago. We had a great climbing gym open then. I have had numerous injuries/surgeries. I was at my highest weight and depressed. After slowly rebuilding my body, I started keto 3 weeks ago with IF. 170lbs today versus 184lbs then and I feel better than I have in a long time. But I am just beginning the weight journey. Over the 8 months I went from barely dragging my fat butt up the wall on v0 for 45 minutes to 3 weekly sessions of 2+ hours and finally moved to v4-5. The message you both prove, is that if we focus on our health(mental/physical), commit even when we fail and never let age be a boundary but a motivation. Sorry for the long post but I watch this video weekly to keep the motivation. Thank you and I'd personally love more videos like this.
Great interview Dave! Really great to see 2 well respected pro climbers being brave enought to have an honest conversation about nutrition instead of avoiding this difficult topic! The climbing world needs more people like yourself and Neil. Keep up the good work :)
Just thought I'd say thank you very much for these videos! They're extremely helpful and inspiring and are consistently helping me to reevaluate my climbing. As a student who also has to work to pay the bills I have no days off in any given week to dedicate to training, but your videos have really helped me maximize my efforts and push through previous plateaus! So again thank you and please keep it up!!
Brilliant chat guys! Given me plenty to think about and hope at the age of 54. Totally agree with the Neil's comment about time pressures. Too many people are now driven by the "fast food" mentality - cheap, little effort and immediate without any medium or long term thought to the consequence (either by choice or circumstance). Off to cook books with thoughts about changes to diet lifestyle. Many thanks guys.
An absolutely brilliant interview guys. Thanks Dave and Neil yet more inspiration for me to get better at climbing but more importantly I'm going to do something about my diet. I have far too many carbs by the sounds of it.
Awesome interview, thank you very much. Neil points out rightly that his approach to nutrition meets his needs specifically, and as an elite athlete with a full complement of macro and micronutrients in his diet, ie. Not starving himself like so many climbers, having carbs late in the day is entirely permissible because as he sleeps the liver will replenish the stores of glycogen which will be used the next day for training, hence the comments about being able to train more intensely for more days in a row.
Another cracking video, great interview, and really happy you've been able to turn out so many of these at such good standard!!! Dave the man with the iron will McLeod
Really great interview and alot of honest insight into the more highend of climbing. I think eating disorders or at least the beginnings of this stuff is quite common belong climbers who want to progress fast or are hitting a plateau. Its really good to see more elderly climbers with alot of experience in this sport talk about these subjects!
It is great! I am a climbing coach and 45, so enjoyed all these really important topics for (older, more experienced) climbers. Hardly waiting the next interview! Thank you Dave and Neil!
I totally agree with his comments about nutrition. I made the same discovery about 6 months ago. I have spent years struggling with weight. Not that I'm fat. I'm skinny, but I have a lot of subcutaneous fat. I never see any veins. And I'm a crazy endurance athlete as well as a returnee climber (got back to 7b recently). I'm a cyclist. I ride every day. I can do 100 miles on a Saturday. I decided to reject the diet that we've been acculturated to use in the western world where we eat concentrated carbs with *every* meal. It's crazy. We never evolved to do that. I now eat protein based meals, like am omelette in the morning. But a super healthy one. Basically a veggie stir fry with three eggs poured into it. Meat or fish in the evening with a whole load of veggies. I do not obsessively shun carbs Veggies have carbs. Any root veg does. Carrots, radishes, beetroot.
Dave. You are my dream come true Scottish climber who has achieved what I knew years ago would happen, a world class all round "super-climber," probably the best the the world has ever seen. Neil (you old git, from another old git- I am 69!)- respect and similar admiration to you. But, I worry (even though I am a psychologist). The last thing I want to do is introduce seeds of doubt into your minds‐ it affects performance. So I have held back from comments, until now, because of those worries, but of course all decisions are yours in the final analysis! Seeing potential life threatening/changing falls on the edge stuff have me on the edge of my seat (e.g. Lexicon , Longhope, Alpine & Ice stuff). Yes Dave, I saw your video of the fall when a hold broke! I would like to send you some stuff that I use with my clients to help them reach what we call in the NHS "Informed Consent" decisions. The stuff is the form of handouts (in therapy & performance enhancement); stuff I use about Cognitive Behaviour Therapy (CBT), Automatic Negative Thoughts (ANTs) and some brief "3rd wave CBT" stuff about psychological flexibility and the role of "self" and "wise mind." I can send it by Whatsapp if you want to read it (it is brief). If you want it send me a brief message on zero7nine7seven4hundred6 seven8 and I will send it. I don't want any obsessive climbing disorder (OCD?) to be negatively consequential, nor do I want to put any doubt in your minds-also potentially consequential,but I have lost many friends and acquaintances over the last 50+ years of climbing involvement (including my own personal life threatening consequences). So that is a lot of stuff off my chest at least! Dr Nadim (Big Sid) Siddiqui C Pschol HCPC Practioner Psychologist
all this talk about older climbers gives me hope. just started this year its been about 9 months and im turning 31 in february. trying to send my first 5.12 at the gym before my first year is up and kind of just hoping age wont get in the way too early in my journey with climbing.
thanks for such an insightful, relaxed, and candid interview. as a climber of similar age being a bit tentative about pushing harder, it's a relief to hear such positive stuff.
Guys,for climbing,40 is young! Looking forward to seeing you two in your mid 50's talking about motivation and training.I am now 63.Til you get older you really have no idea.Thanks for the nutrition advice.
Great insights, I'm knocking on 45 so good to hear even the pros have to work at it. The open unrushed interview format worked really well. Thanks both.
What a nugget collection especially for "more experienced climbers" *cough* (and how to handle your comping kids)! Thanks Dave, and keep them coming! I also would be interested in forearm extensor exercises (maybe a series on antagonists).
Ha, and a nutrition series would be perfect! It seems like such a huge complex with lots of misinformation - how to get a grip on it, how to start off?
Great interview! Nutrition made a big difference for me and intermittent fasting too - only on my climbing days i do not restrict myself timely. Please keep on doing these interviews. Maybe even consider releasing the audio additional in a podcast form.
Thanks so much for this wonderful interview! Can anyone elaborate on the "rings" that Neil mentions at the end in regards to injury prevention? Any additional info? Cheers!
Neil looks like he's in his 30's. Great conversation.
For real! When he said mid 40's I was shocked. Looks younger than me and I'm 30..
Man, I knew it was going to be good, but honestly it was the best climbing related 50mins I ve seen.
Any climber, especially above 30 y.o. will benefit greatly from this interview.
This all is so much different and better from often encountered unimportant details such as: 'should i rest 7 or 5seconds between repetitions?'
I couldn't agree more.
@@davidcross30 Dave should add some photos and make this an obligatory lecture for youngsters: 'Kids this is a doorframe, this is a hold made from drilled stone etc.'
I feel that Dave's approach (I love the books and vlogs) is perfect. no bullshit details that have no importance, no spliting training into micro/mezo/macrocycles, and other blablabla that is not achievable for normal people. I love it.
Now I'm very curious.
To late today, obviously. But in the next few days I'll finish this video.
Fully agree with you and the guys answered to you comment.
"9 of 10 climbers..." will be my next book on climbing, which I'm also very curious about.
I like about Dave that he is encouraging to develope and to trust one's gut feeling - awsome aproach!
Cheers
Dave is my Scottish spirit animal.
Dave these blogs are absolutely fantastic, keep it up mate!
44 now, and fully intending to climb harder than I did at 28.. Thanks for the words of confidence!
Neil mensions about how he was off around the world bolting new routes. Some of the most memorable routes I did while traveling such as those at White Mountain in Yangshuo had Neil's name under them in the guide book and they were all brilliant! Full respect and appreciation 👍:) (now I'll continue watching the vid!)
Watched this so many times and it never gets old, there’s always something new I seem to take from it.
2 absolute legends.
On a side note I am currently trying a low carb diet and it’s a game changer.
this is one of the best climbing interviews ever.... I'm surprised this has only got 20k views, it's superbly executed and produced.
Being a climber in his forties this is a refreshing interview that there's still hope to climb your best later in life.
Cheers
Great interview Dave & Neil. You should consider publishing these long format interviews into a podcast, I would subscribe- makes perfect listening driving to & from work
Second that. I'm not watching the video but I'm rinsing my data allowance listening on the commute!
Dave your crushing this channel and I really appreciate the thoughtful content !! Two of my favorites!
I can confirm everything that Neil says about diet (parallel evolution for me). At 62, climbing 5.13(8a) for a quarter century without injury, I am closing in on my first 5.14/8b+. The diet works, no question.
Awesome to see my two favorite climbing coaches in discussion!
OK, you convinced me.
You have found the One True Faith of diet options, and Dave, Neil and I are all a bunch of old climbers (about130 years climbing experience between us) who are jumping on a "fad"....which happens to have started two million years ago. Forgive me for suggesting there might be another optimal option to reach our potential, especially as we get older and watch our insulin-resistant peers accumulate injuries and unwanted weight gain. My own 13 years as a high-carb vegetarian taught me nothing, I must have been doing something "wrong".
Diet is about what works best for you. Low Carb might work well, or it might work terribly. Same as high carb and medium carb. See what works for you and stick with it.
@@moosilauke18 High carb works for many younger athletes who are still insulin sensitive. By your 30s and definitely 40s that can change radically.
This is amazing!! I've been really enjoying your recent vlogs dave, you have a really calm and sensible way of clearly explaining topics while keeping your videos entertaining, this is the best (or even the only) informational climbing channel out there!!!
Gresh is a legend, Dave is too. Both seem really genuine and intelligent guys.
Such a great interview, thanks for posting! Very inspiring for someone who didn’t start climbing until their 30’s!
Thanks Dave, been inspired by Neil since the sobell and brunel wall days.keep the fun coming
Many heroes in the rock climbing world, but Neil Gresham stands alone as a teacher I actually learned literal techniques from, his masterclass videos are the foundation of my climbing, and what I now share with new climbers. His contribution can't be overstated. Without this guy, I really wouldn't know how climb... seriously.
this type of vid is truly a lost art, thanks man. so tired of the sensationalist kinda of vids with no real information. experience is so underrated these days
Thanks and I agree.
Dave you have absolutely achieved your aim with this interview. This video is hugely inspirational to this 38 year old climber. It's really instructive to see certain hyped internet topics discussed with calm heads by two climbers with well established public records in climbing achievement, and clear, sensible public discourse. Huge thanks to you and Neil both.
Dave this is first class. I made some major changes to my diet after watching your vlog about curing depression. It worked. Its also helped cure mine. Im 42. I just started climbing again after 8 year break. My hardest route so far is 7b+ climbed over 20 years ago. I will climb 8a before 45. Its on. Thanks for this. ✌🏼
So glad to hear that. Get after that 8a for sure!
did you get your 8a?
I could listen to the two of you go on for 10 hours! Great interview!
Especially great for me at 34 having just started climbing at 29 and trying to figure out injury prevention and keep up with the 20 year old Adonis' in the gym! I would love to hear more talk on the subjects of injury prevention, diet and age. We all know how to pull hard, but we don't all know how to care hard for our bodies.
A great chat… all of it! 🙏
You hit your mark dead on here: really interesting discussion. An enjoyable interview on the technical nitty gritty of hard climbing.
This has been the best video for me. At 47, while I dabbled in my 20s, I restarted climbing 8 months ago. We had a great climbing gym open then.
I have had numerous injuries/surgeries. I was at my highest weight and depressed.
After slowly rebuilding my body, I started keto 3 weeks ago with IF. 170lbs today versus 184lbs then and I feel better than I have in a long time. But I am just beginning the weight journey.
Over the 8 months I went from barely dragging my fat butt up the wall on v0 for 45 minutes to 3 weekly sessions of 2+ hours and finally moved to v4-5.
The message you both prove, is that if we focus on our health(mental/physical), commit even when we fail and never let age be a boundary but a motivation.
Sorry for the long post but I watch this video weekly to keep the motivation. Thank you and I'd personally love more videos like this.
Great interview Dave! Really great to see 2 well respected pro climbers being brave enought to have an honest conversation about nutrition instead of avoiding this difficult topic! The climbing world needs more people like yourself and Neil. Keep up the good work :)
So much gold in that interview. Thank you guys a lot!
More interviews please Dave, this was great!
Brilliant: sharp, informative and easy to relate to. Kudos to both climbers.
Just thought I'd say thank you very much for these videos! They're extremely helpful and inspiring and are consistently helping me to reevaluate my climbing. As a student who also has to work to pay the bills I have no days off in any given week to dedicate to training, but your videos have really helped me maximize my efforts and push through previous plateaus! So again thank you and please keep it up!!
From the best climbing blog/website on the Internet to the best climbing chanel.
Always find your content very helpful.
Man I enjoyed that interview so much! So motivating to listen to Neil
Brilliant chat guys! Given me plenty to think about and hope at the age of 54. Totally agree with the Neil's comment about time pressures. Too many people are now driven by the "fast food" mentality - cheap, little effort and immediate without any medium or long term thought to the consequence (either by choice or circumstance). Off to cook books with thoughts about changes to diet lifestyle. Many thanks guys.
Top, top quality content. What a great conversation, so open and informative.
An absolutely brilliant interview guys. Thanks Dave and Neil yet more inspiration for me to get better at climbing but more importantly I'm going to do something about my diet. I have far too many carbs by the sounds of it.
Brilliant interview.
Fantastic interview. I'm a soon to be 68 year old climber and still improving. Admittedly, I started very late.
First class conversation, thanks to both.
Awesome interview, thank you very much.
Neil points out rightly that his approach to nutrition meets his needs specifically, and as an elite athlete with a full complement of macro and micronutrients in his diet, ie. Not starving himself like so many climbers, having carbs late in the day is entirely permissible because as he sleeps the liver will replenish the stores of glycogen which will be used the next day for training, hence the comments about being able to train more intensely for more days in a row.
Loved this. Great work Dave and Neil. Very keen to hear more strategies for 40+ yo climbers who are still working towards personal best projects.
Thanks Dave! Great work with the channel lately. Much appreciated
Where has all of this knowledge been hiding! I have literally looked for years, and feel like you have unlocked a treasure chest.
Great interview, looking forward to future vids. Hope the info from your new blog era becomes a book someday :D
I just have to echo everyone's comments, great interview and great channel, nice one.
Neil Gresham Masterclass videos are the best on youtube for the basis of technique.
Another cracking video, great interview, and really happy you've been able to turn out so many of these at such good standard!!!
Dave the man with the iron will McLeod
This is starting to be the best RUclips climbing channel, awesome content, like in your books ;)
Really great interview and alot of honest insight into the more highend of climbing. I think eating disorders or at least the beginnings of this stuff is quite common belong climbers who want to progress fast or are hitting a plateau. Its really good to see more elderly climbers with alot of experience in this sport talk about these subjects!
Great interview! @40:34 A good climbing coach really is invaluable, but getting outside to enjoy outdoor climbing is priceless!
It is great! I am a climbing coach and 45, so enjoyed all these really important topics for (older, more experienced) climbers. Hardly waiting the next interview! Thank you Dave and Neil!
Great and inspiring to a 49 yo climber that got back at it just a year ago...cheers!
The amount of knowledge and inspiration shared in this interview is amazing!!! Thank you so much guys!!!
Keep up that great work!!!
I totally agree with his comments about nutrition. I made the same discovery about 6 months ago. I have spent years struggling with weight.
Not that I'm fat. I'm skinny, but I have a lot of subcutaneous fat. I never see any veins. And I'm a crazy endurance athlete as well as a returnee climber (got back to 7b recently). I'm a cyclist. I ride every day. I can do 100 miles on a Saturday.
I decided to reject the diet that we've been acculturated to use in the western world where we eat concentrated carbs with *every* meal. It's crazy. We never evolved to do that.
I now eat protein based meals, like am omelette in the morning. But a super healthy one. Basically a veggie stir fry with three eggs poured into it. Meat or fish in the evening with a whole load of veggies.
I do not obsessively shun carbs Veggies have carbs. Any root veg does. Carrots, radishes, beetroot.
Dave. You are my dream come true Scottish climber who has achieved what I knew years ago would happen, a world class all round "super-climber," probably the best the the world has ever seen. Neil (you old git, from another old git- I am 69!)- respect and similar admiration to you. But, I worry (even though I am a psychologist). The last thing I want to do is introduce seeds of doubt into your minds‐ it affects performance. So I have held back from comments, until now, because of those worries, but of course all decisions are yours in the final analysis! Seeing potential life threatening/changing falls on the edge stuff have me on the edge of my seat (e.g. Lexicon , Longhope, Alpine & Ice stuff). Yes Dave, I saw your video of the fall when a hold broke!
I would like to send you some stuff that I use with my clients to help them reach what we call in the NHS "Informed Consent" decisions. The stuff is the form of handouts (in therapy & performance enhancement); stuff I use about Cognitive Behaviour Therapy (CBT), Automatic Negative Thoughts (ANTs) and some brief "3rd wave CBT" stuff about psychological flexibility and the role of "self" and "wise mind." I can send it by Whatsapp if you want to read it (it is brief). If you want it send me a brief message on zero7nine7seven4hundred6 seven8 and I will send it. I don't want any obsessive climbing disorder (OCD?) to be negatively consequential, nor do I want to put any doubt in your minds-also potentially consequential,but I have lost many friends and acquaintances over the last 50+ years of climbing involvement (including my own personal life threatening consequences).
So that is a lot of stuff off my chest at least!
Dr Nadim (Big Sid) Siddiqui
C Pschol HCPC Practioner Psychologist
wow! thoroughly enjoyed this interview. Thank you!
Incredible discourse.
Top job! Finally a channel thats digs a bit deeper.
great to be hearing you both talking it out.. been a fan of both of your training resources over the years so great to see you both get together
all this talk about older climbers gives me hope. just started this year its been about 9 months and im turning 31 in february. trying to send my first 5.12 at the gym before my first year is up and kind of just hoping age wont get in the way too early in my journey with climbing.
I was 41 in July and just climbed my second 14d yesterday. One that I failed on when I was 31. You have time.
thanks for such an insightful, relaxed, and candid interview. as a climber of similar age being a bit tentative about pushing harder, it's a relief to hear such positive stuff.
Thanks Dave!
I love your channel, your way of approaching everything you share and how you expose it!!
Great work!!
Never seen a video on youtube with 0 dislikes before!
Great interview/chat, thanks for doing this. You and Neil both are very inspiring.
really high quality interview with valuable information! Thanks a lot.
Guys,for climbing,40 is young! Looking forward to seeing you two in your mid 50's talking about motivation and training.I am now 63.Til you get older you really have no idea.Thanks for the nutrition advice.
Good to hear you are still going strong Paul (you old git, from another old git). Big Sid
Great insights, I'm knocking on 45 so good to hear even the pros have to work at it. The open unrushed interview format worked really well. Thanks both.
What a nugget collection especially for "more experienced climbers" *cough* (and how to handle your comping kids)! Thanks Dave, and keep them coming!
I also would be interested in forearm extensor exercises (maybe a series on antagonists).
Ha, and a nutrition series would be perfect! It seems like such a huge complex with lots of misinformation - how to get a grip on it, how to start off?
another amassing mind opening idea challenging video. thanks again Dave!!
What a fantastic and possibly life changing video Dave! Loving your channel!
Great interview! Nutrition made a big difference for me and intermittent fasting too - only on my climbing days i do not restrict myself timely.
Please keep on doing these interviews. Maybe even consider releasing the audio additional in a podcast form.
This is what RUclips was meant for. Excellent.
Best climbing chat I've heard in a while - thanks!
Great interview. Its really interesting to hear about your nutrition plans and I think people will understand that not every plan is for every person.
Thanks for the interview Dave. I feel really inspired by all the effort you put in taking Climbing further.
Great interview Dave. One of the best climbing related conversation/interviews I have watched in a while. great idea and brilliantly executed.
Fantastic interview! Touched on some great topics. Thanks for putting this together Dave and Neil!
Thank you for taking the time to do these vlogs! They're fantastic, I look forward to more.
Absolutely fantastic interview, packed with information and insight, please do keep them coming Dave :D
So so good! Thank you Dave !
Dave, these videos you‘re doing are brilliant!! Thank you for the hard work, you‘re an inspiration!
So good! thanks Dave. Keep them coming
Absolutely love this! Could have watched this for another hour, I really love the attitude both of you bring with you! :-)
Great vid! Really useful and interesting! More of these would be awesome 😎
fantastic interview! Keep up this great content, Dave!
Thanks for this great interview !
Great Interview !!! Keep'em coming !
I’ve just liked the video at .04 second mark. Legends talking!
Fantastic, keep up the great work!
Really informative, well done both for sharing.
Great content recently Dave! Keep it up!
Absolutely brilliant interview . Could of done another hour of it. Top banana. 👌
Great talk
Great interview, thanks.
Thanks so much for this wonderful interview! Can anyone elaborate on the "rings" that Neil mentions at the end in regards to injury prevention? Any additional info? Cheers!
Almost two years on from when this interview was done - very good - really enjoyed- well done lads you are a credit to the sport!
great insight, thanks dave 👍👌🙌🏼
really interesting stuff reinforcing stuff many thanks
Well done Dave this is great content
fantastic really really enjoyed that interview. Cheers
Fascinating and informative!
Really enjoyed the interview