@@Electric-RideablesSadly, the production units after homologation are starkly different than the prototypes. If you check what ownership is like with Sondors e-bicycles, after sales support is NILL.
Imagine a standardized battery E-Pack, like 6 or 8 stacked "D" cells that are used by all electric bikes and available at E-stations for exchange. E-bikes and E-motorcycles using the same E-Packs! Where an E-bike uses 1 or 2 while an E motorcycle may use 10. These E-Packs drop into housings sized to each vehicle's energy needs. The "Station" has charging facility for 1000 E-Packs that can be installed in any 2 wheeled vehicle in minutes.
@@Electric-Rideables yeah every weld is considered a weak spot and on anything over time when it does break its normally on the weld. they are starting to make alot of pro bmx frames like this now too with 0 welds
Couple of questions electric motorcycle have no gears right?? And eventually the prices should come down I believe the battery is the most expensive part of the bike!! Great video I’m glad I found you!!,🤟🇺🇸
Where's Yatri Motorcycles? They have two models: a premium P-Zero(0-60 in 2.5secs ,48KW at €14000 beats No.1 on the list) and a younger brother P-One (at just $4200)🔥🔥
How you could even think of doing a video like this without including Zero motorcycles is flat out crazy. Those hub motors are crap and don't last. Zero motorcycles are way more refined than any one you featured and just simply blows them away
11kw motor is not just a preference thing. I'm pretty sure it's targeted mainly to European market, where you can ride motorcycles with motors up to 11kw without a motorcycle driving license. Car driving license is sufficient. It’s supposed to be an equivalent of a 125cc class motorcycles.
Yeah it has been super suspicious I’ve been waiting for them to show anything new and there’s nothing I get that there’s delays but show some actual bike use
@@Mr-E. I found out that electrical motorcycles are classified on their nominal power in my country (Belgium). So in case of the Metacycle with a nominal power of 8kW, I should be able to drive it with an A1 license. You should check the rules in your own country to be sure.
The small percentage of people who can actually afford these wouldn't really make a difference in fuel emissions. I'm not really seeing the motorcycle enthusiasts lining up to purchase electric bikes at these premium prices.
I've ridden one, and can say they're fun and the range is underreported by them. It's actually better! They spec out at the same weight, range, speed and price as the original Zero X. Adjusted for inflation, it's a bit cheaper.
If you're showing and speaking the specs of the MetaCycle you don't want to confusingly interweave clips of the bicycle which is an entirely different unit... every few seconds... ya thunk?
When you insinuated the Bonfire is reminiscent of 70s motorcycles you missed the easily identifiable exact bike it's copied from... the Yamaha DT1 250 ENDURO... not "street cafe racers"
Eridez - based on what one gets in speed, range, power, and being freshly made for each new owner, the Sonders should have been listed as the second Best e-motorcycle. The other 3 choices dont even come close. The Verge is the best, no contest. However for a savings of $20,000 you are getting, literally, the next best ride.
The Sondors Metacycle after homologation looks very little like the prototype. Sondors also has the WORST customer service, they don't provide any appreciable service after the sale.
Sí La motos tienen que ser más. Estravajsntes presiosa lindas y con un dinamo que se carguen solas y listo y se venden cómo pan caliente cuando se van a vivar
I asked for a refund in December of 2021 for Metacycle. The website said $100 deposit. The next day I see a $5000 charge in my account. I canceled the order and have been trying to get my money back ever since.
I ordered the metacycle in December. The website said 100 deposit but they billed my card $5000. I cancelled my order and I have been trying to get my money back ever since. Today they sent me an email asking if I would like to reinstate my order. I guess they think I might rather have the bike than nothing. They are wrong. I know how they treat customers if something fails guaranteed you are left in the cold. These people do not care about their customers at all. I'll sue to get my money back. Better than trying to sue if I get a lemon. Just telling you about my experience with this company to maybe save someone some unneeded headaches.
A couple of great bikes but the prices are a little demanding so great If you have plenty of £££ to throw around the only downside I could detect Is just that, the price or I would order one tomorrow as excellent machines, Hey, unfortunately, It's another case of If only £££, father Christmas could make wishes come true this Christmas!
The part that I find so confusing. The Metacycle is the first one I've seen that has range, highway speed, and price. The other thing I don't get is, why does it take longer to charge these 8kWh and lower batteries than it does to charge my car's 60kWh battery?
@@keithengle592 batteries charge in direct relationship to the input current. Slow charging seems to be a good thing for battery life. I suspect a small less expensive charger is the culprit. The number of hours does not really matter in overnight charging. I use a 1200 watt solar array to charge my stuff , I charge the solar batteries during the day , over night those charged batteries charge the discharged batteries in my battery powered things. No real cost to charge anything and pretty sure of having power , no matter what our current crazy government does.
That's what I was thinking too. Was looking at a Sur Ron, but for a little more you can have a bike that will do highway speeds stock. Temped to actually put a deposit down on one.
....oh, and Ive gotta say this: Anyone who invests money in Eric Buell must be crazy or hate money. I mean how many people wanted a sport bike with a Fn Harley motor in it? Seriously, a motor that is literally the slowest thing per cubic inch you can own. In a sport bike. 🤔
Range needs to have speed stated. For instance, Sondors states max speed of 80mph, and max range of 80 miles. But this is not actual...to get 80 miles requires driving at 20mph! I can get that out of my Stromer! I canceled my Meta order.
Don't you hate when every video maker solicits you to push that subscribe button when U haven't even seen the video? It's a real put-off that will make me do the opposite.
so none of these are likely to be driving around anytime soon short of 25 to 30 grand, what a deal, I think I'll keep my dirty internal combustion engine
Why leave an ugly hole in a frame that could easily be filled with more batteries to increase the range of the bike? 120km (best case) range is not even close to what enthusiasts ride in a day. Maybe good to drive from a sunday brunch to having a cappuchino, followed by some Vernisage from that hip artist you recently discovered and ending the day at the opening party for the newest club: A reverse gear? What is this? Some Honda Goldwing in disguise or a narrow-chested Scooter. Again a product built for douchebags and hippsters with too much money to spend. The Black Tea bike is rather a Scrambler than a Cafe racer. Do you guys have any idea of what you're talking about or do you have a five years old writing your texts? You contradict your own statements (looks like a Cafe racer) just 20 seconds later (enduro style). At least the Bonfire X looks like a motorcylce, not some design that should have ended in the dustbin because the designer took too much of the controlled substance he's on. The cake bikes however look like what my 3 years old nephew produced when he wanted to draw a motorcycle. The Bonfire, the Verge TS and the Fuell at least look like motorcycles and somehow have the better range expectances of everything you presented in this video.
Thanks for the feedback. We do appreciate it and will do better with future videos on electric motorcycles. I particularly like your info on scramblers v. cafe racers. Thanks again and stay tuned for better content!
Sondors definitely wasn't made by true riders, the way the brakes work is very awkward, and the seat is made for, children I guess? certainly not for adults to ride more than 20 or 30 minutes :\ It has the looks tho, I'll give them that! Widen that seat, and add 3/4" more padding for real adults and that's a nice bike.
Sondors Meatcycle - e-bikes for "every household" yeah of course man... You forgot inequality(seems like someone does not know how the world works in most places)
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The Sondors Metacycle is the bargain of the group! That's why I ordered and paid for 2 of them, a silver and a white one.
Nice! Great choice on the Sondors. Let us know how they turn out.
@@Electric-RideablesSadly, the production units after homologation are starkly different than the prototypes. If you check what ownership is like with Sondors e-bicycles, after sales support is NILL.
When are you going to receive them ?
They still have not even figured out shipping on these.
Only good in their marketing it seems
Now, When Sonders comes out with a second battery pack that will fit into the opening under the seat, that will be the cat’s meow!
Good point!
Awesome!
Thanks and Greetings from Cologne Germany
Hi. Greetings from Seattle in the US!
They’re all super cool but the Sonders definitely wins on the design factor ✔️
Great video 👏🏻👏🏻 looking forward to your next one
Thanks :). The Sondors is my favorite design too ;)
Sondors is nice but I would rather an other battery pack in that big gap.
The only other one thats close is the Cake, and thats 13Gs !!! Practically 3Xs the cost!
Agreed! It definitely my favorite as well.
Check Sondors production units, they look nothing like that. Then check Sondors after-sales support to be further disappointed.
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Glad you liked it!
Fantastic
Thank you so much 😀
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Thanks
Imagine a standardized battery E-Pack, like 6 or 8 stacked "D" cells that are used by all electric bikes and available at E-stations for exchange. E-bikes and E-motorcycles using the same E-Packs! Where an E-bike uses 1 or 2 while an E motorcycle may use 10. These E-Packs drop into housings sized to each vehicle's energy needs. The "Station" has charging facility for 1000 E-Packs that can be installed in any 2 wheeled vehicle in minutes.
I like this idea. Great feedback.
Awesome concept bike
True that. Very awesome concept electric motorcycles.
Looking forward great 👍 bike 🏍 electric ⚡️ like in Australia 🇦🇺
Us too! You should check out Ubco, though.
Thanks!
Why thank you so much Raquel! Your thanks helps us build this channel :).
Good vid👍👍
Thanks!
The Bonfire-X reminds me of the old Honda 100/125SL models, especially from the front.
That's a good looking bike for sure.
i work with metal and that no weld frame is pretty impressive on the sondors
Good to know. Thanks!
@@Electric-Rideables yeah every weld is considered a weak spot and on anything over time when it does break its normally on the weld. they are starting to make alot of pro bmx frames like this now too with 0 welds
I love the cafe racer motorcycles that's why I love the Tea one, it's just so expensive 😂
True.
Slap a second battery pack in that upper hole of the Sondors Metacycle bringing it up to 7.5-8kw and sell it for 7k and it would dominate the market.
Great point. Thanks for the feedback on the Sondors Metacycle.
Guys your passion towards the channel is clearly visible and seems unique too... Keep rocking ⚡⚡
Thank you
Couple of questions electric motorcycle have no gears right?? And eventually the prices should come down I believe the battery is the most expensive part of the bike!! Great video I’m glad I found you!!,🤟🇺🇸
Yes, no gears. Except for certain instances.
All Good Models
Sustainably
Yup.
Where's Yatri Motorcycles? They have two models: a premium P-Zero(0-60 in 2.5secs ,48KW at €14000 beats No.1 on the list) and a younger brother P-One (at just $4200)🔥🔥
!!! That's great! We'll be sure to feature Yatri in future videos. Please consider subscribing and staying tuned :).
the 0-60 is in kph not mph if you look at the website
just saying
How you could even think of doing a video like this without including Zero motorcycles is flat out crazy. Those hub motors are crap and don't last. Zero motorcycles are way more refined than any one you featured and just simply blows them away
Apologies. We will work on featuring Zero Motorcycles in future videos. Stay tuned!
I wish they had some different styling. Not digging the looks
So interesting and informative video bro.
Appreciate it!
11kw motor is not just a preference thing. I'm pretty sure it's targeted mainly to European market, where you can ride motorcycles with motors up to 11kw without a motorcycle driving license. Car driving license is sufficient. It’s supposed to be an equivalent of a 125cc class motorcycles.
Good point. Thanks for sharing!
@@Electric-Rideables so do I need a motorcycle license and have to pay insurance in New York State?
Sondors has yet to deliver the motorcycle and no real hands on review has been done in months. Delivery date keeps slipping. Lame.
Yeah it has been super suspicious I’ve been waiting for them to show anything new and there’s nothing I get that there’s delays but show some actual bike use
Let's keep the heat on them so they get it to the end-users soon.
Just... Wow.....
Agreed. Wow.
The last one looks awesome, but i like the Fuell. it seems like you're getting a lot for your money, plus i think modular is the way to go.
Yeah, the Fuell is great. The Metacycle should be great too.
Black tea BornFire
Right on.
Any thoughts about the Gocycle other than it's cost??
Gocycle is great. We may feature it in a future video.
Hands down the best riding 20" e-bike I've ever ridden! Richard Thorpe was an engineer for McLaren, he knows how to make good things.
Can I drive the Metacycle with A1 license? Because maximum is normally 11kw but the Metacycle has a peak of 14,5kw.
Not sure. You'd have to check your local laws.
Did you end up finding out if you can drive it with an A1 license?
@@Mr-E. I found out that electrical motorcycles are classified on their nominal power in my country (Belgium). So in case of the Metacycle with a nominal power of 8kW, I should be able to drive it with an A1 license. You should check the rules in your own country to be sure.
Expensive!
True that. Some of them are, but the prices will go down over time.
The small percentage of people who can actually afford these wouldn't really make a difference in fuel emissions. I'm not really seeing the motorcycle enthusiasts lining up to purchase electric bikes at these premium prices.
Good points.
Sondors e bikes are expensive. Wonder how the are planning to release this spec for this cheap. It's the oppersit
We'll see about that price tag...
Waiting to be launched in Nepal 🇳🇵🇳🇵
Good luck!
The Cake is definitely my favorite, a great choice to do some mountain or forest rides , though a little weak on autonomy…
Agreed.
I've ridden one, and can say they're fun and the range is underreported by them. It's actually better! They spec out at the same weight, range, speed and price as the original Zero X. Adjusted for inflation, it's a bit cheaper.
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The verge TS needs to be compared to Zero SR/S or SR/F and the energica motorcycles with that high price tag and those kind of specs..
Great feedback. Thank you!
Great bikes, at the moment too expensive for the range and performance.
Agreed. They will get cheaper over time as battery technology improves.
Check out Yatri motorcycles..
If you're showing and speaking the specs of the MetaCycle you don't want to confusingly interweave clips of the bicycle which is an entirely different unit... every few seconds... ya thunk?
When you insinuated the Bonfire is reminiscent of 70s motorcycles you missed the easily identifiable exact bike it's copied from... the Yamaha DT1 250 ENDURO... not "street cafe racers"
...The Verge TS WEIGHT... when comparing power output.. little details
Sorry about that.
The Metacycle needs a better seat and properly functional mudguards. Those are the only two things that are putting me off buying one.
Good points. I can't wait to get my hands on one.
VergeTS 😁👍 hopefully the electric control systems are state of the art, and not like the other bikes just outdated😅.
I hope so too. The electric control systems are what need to be updated the most at this point.
Very strange video. Sonders appear a non runner and the only big player Zero motorcycles were not mentioned!
We'll include Zero in the next video. Thanks for the tip! Feel free to subscribe and stay tuned.
Eridez - based on what one gets in speed, range, power, and being freshly made for each new owner, the Sonders should have been listed as the second Best e-motorcycle. The other 3 choices dont even come close. The Verge is the best, no contest. However for a savings of $20,000 you are getting, literally, the next best ride.
Got it. Thanks for the feedback.
Any electric motorcycle should have battery capacity at least 6000Wh , 3000-4000Wh we are using in enduro ebikes
Good points!
At least they aren't being referred to as ebikes.
haha. touche
The Sondors Metacycle after homologation looks very little like the prototype. Sondors also has the WORST customer service, they don't provide any appreciable service after the sale.
Good to know! Thanks for the feedback.
you forgot the best….LAND DISTRICT right out of cleveland
Thanks so much for the tip! We’ll reach out to feature Land District in a future video. Stay tuned!
Sí La motos tienen que ser más. Estravajsntes presiosa lindas y con un dinamo que se carguen solas y listo y se venden cómo pan caliente cuando se van a vivar
Interesante. ¡Gracias!
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Interesante. ¡Gracias!
I asked for a refund in December of 2021 for Metacycle. The website said $100 deposit. The next day I see a $5000 charge in my account. I canceled the order and have been trying to get my money back ever since.
Nooooo! We hope you get your money back. Let us know how this turns out.
I doubt the Sondors will even ship in 2022 as they still have not worked out logistics on that end.
Fingers crossed, but yes, there is doubt.
I ordered the metacycle in December. The website said 100 deposit but they billed my card $5000. I cancelled my order and I have been trying to get my money back ever since. Today they sent me an email asking if I would like to reinstate my order. I guess they think I might rather have the bike than nothing. They are wrong. I know how they treat customers if something fails guaranteed you are left in the cold. These people do not care about their customers at all. I'll sue to get my money back. Better than trying to sue if I get a lemon. Just telling you about my experience with this company to maybe save someone some unneeded headaches.
Thanks for sharing! This helps a lot.
The verge is like China transformer bike
Hmmm...
Do you need a license for this?
Some yes. Others no.
A couple of great bikes but the prices are a little demanding so great If you have plenty of £££ to throw around the only downside I could detect Is just that, the price or I would order one tomorrow as excellent machines, Hey, unfortunately, It's another case of If only £££, father Christmas could make wishes come true this Christmas!
Our thoughts exactly. Hellllllo Santa
Priced at $6,000 weight increased 300 lb that is all
Cool.
I heard SONDORS LIED, about the speed. Because the Bike is 100 pounds Heavier. 300 Pounds.
Ruh roh. I guess we'll find out when they're released.
Prices have a long way to go. You can buy an EV car for 24k.
Good point. Btw, we have a new video coming out on highway-capable EVs you can buy right now. Consider subscribing and join the conversation!
What EV car would that be? In Europe they start at about 30K USD for a milk carton with ninety minutes worth of battery life.
@@christianeriksson4733 with federal and state rebates in the US, a base Chevy Bolt can be purchased for around $24k
The part that I find so confusing. The Metacycle is the first one I've seen that has range, highway speed, and price.
The other thing I don't get is, why does it take longer to charge these 8kWh and lower batteries than it does to charge my car's 60kWh battery?
@@keithengle592 batteries charge in direct relationship to the input current. Slow charging seems to be a good thing for battery life. I suspect a small less expensive charger is the culprit. The number of hours does not really matter in overnight charging.
I use a 1200 watt solar array to charge my stuff , I charge the solar batteries during the day , over night those charged batteries charge the discharged batteries in my battery powered things.
No real cost to charge anything and pretty sure of having power , no matter what our current crazy government does.
$5000 that is cheap! Sondors 👍😎
Yeah. The Sondors is great.
That's what I was thinking too. Was looking at a Sur Ron, but for a little more you can have a bike that will do highway speeds stock. Temped to actually put a deposit down on one.
well, dont tell em that ur retared
I have question for you..would you buy one of these Motorcycles?
Great question. Most likely, yes.
@@Electric-Rideables Thanks for your honesty.
....oh, and Ive gotta say this: Anyone who invests money in Eric Buell must be crazy or hate money.
I mean how many people wanted a sport bike with a Fn Harley motor in it? Seriously, a motor that is literally the slowest thing per cubic inch you can own. In a sport bike. 🤔
Hehehe. Well put. There were definitely some issues with Buell. Hopefully, Fuell will be better.
Its all good building electric motorcycles but if there too expensive why make them
Price will do down as the technology improves.
@@Electric-Rideables I would say improved technology increases the price, but increased volumes decreases it.
lol my last name is SONDOR I was planning to copyright the name can't believe someone already regestered it.
Haha. Well, you should def get one then since it'll share your surname.
@@Electric-Rideables great idea but i am broke most i can afford is a poster of the bike.
Range needs to have speed stated. For instance, Sondors states max speed of 80mph, and max range of 80 miles. But this is not actual...to get 80 miles requires driving at 20mph! I can get that out of my Stromer! I canceled my Meta order.
give battery technology time. that is what is catching up.
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Thank you good friend
Don't you hate when every video maker solicits you to push that subscribe button when U haven't even seen the video? It's a real put-off that will make me do the opposite.
Apologies about that. We'll try to take this into consideration when making new videos. Cheers.
totally agree
so none of these are likely to be driving around anytime soon short of 25 to 30 grand, what a deal, I think I'll keep my dirty internal combustion engine
Good point. Hopefully, these prices will go down over time.
range is way too limited
Valid point. Maybe they will increase over time.
what do you mean by the " top 5 'SICKEST' electric motorcycles of 2021". They are so "Sick" nobody wants to buy one?
Touche
Please stop giving us klicks… we use MPH? If this wasn’t geared towards Americans then why are you giving us $USD prices?
Apologies Greg. We are based in the US, but we have viewers from all over the world.
Why leave an ugly hole in a frame that could easily be filled with more batteries to increase the range of the bike? 120km (best case) range is not even close to what enthusiasts ride in a day. Maybe good to drive from a sunday brunch to having a cappuchino, followed by some Vernisage from that hip artist you recently discovered and ending the day at the opening party for the newest club: A reverse gear? What is this? Some Honda Goldwing in disguise or a narrow-chested Scooter. Again a product built for douchebags and hippsters with too much money to spend.
The Black Tea bike is rather a Scrambler than a Cafe racer. Do you guys have any idea of what you're talking about or do you have a five years old writing your texts? You contradict your own statements (looks like a Cafe racer) just 20 seconds later (enduro style). At least the Bonfire X looks like a motorcylce, not some design that should have ended in the dustbin because the designer took too much of the controlled substance he's on. The cake bikes however look like what my 3 years old nephew produced when he wanted to draw a motorcycle.
The Bonfire, the Verge TS and the Fuell at least look like motorcycles and somehow have the better range expectances of everything you presented in this video.
Thanks for the feedback. We do appreciate it and will do better with future videos on electric motorcycles. I particularly like your info on scramblers v. cafe racers. Thanks again and stay tuned for better content!
Sondors definitely wasn't made by true riders, the way the brakes work is very awkward, and the seat is made for, children I guess? certainly not for adults to ride more than 20 or 30 minutes :\ It has the looks tho, I'll give them that! Widen that seat, and add 3/4" more padding for real adults and that's a nice bike.
Awesome feedback. Do you have one?
Sondors Meatcycle - e-bikes for "every household" yeah of course man... You forgot inequality(seems like someone does not know how the world works in most places)
Probably used as more of marketing jargon.
Still cheaper then most bike on this list.
max range of 200 miles, charges 100 miles in 15 minutes but charges fully in just under 4 hours? smells like bull shit.
Haha. The might be due to the differences between using a Level 2 charger and controller, and using a DC quick charge station.
Also, lithium-ion batteries are quick to charge to 50%, then the charge rate progressively slows. It's better battery management.
what the fck is euros!!! bro
Euro is the currency most of the European Union uses.
THAT IS CHINA ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE./ NOT AMERICAN.
Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.
Mostly silly toys for boys
Yeah, but these electric motorcycles are fun...
Sorry but the meta cycle is a total vapour ware crap box. Tiny range, shit power and almost no torque.
You aren't the only one who feels this way, but I'm pretty sure they're gonna deliver on their promises.
@@Electric-Rideables I hope so. But there claims certainly aren’t supported by the figures they’ve released…so far.