Eh let’s not go there. We could be listing senseless killings by both sides for days. Let’s just enjoy a bit of culture without being shamed for it shall we?
Those children were murdered for God and Ulster by those who are an affront to humanity but still have the cheek to call themselves "Protestant" the ones who never see the inside of a church, say a prayer or read a bible.
@@georginaohara42 You missed the point. The people building these bonfires claim they should be allowed to do so because it's part of their "culture". These people have no interest in celebrating real culture. They would rather celebrate a battle that happened 300 years ago in another country and burn flags of other nations. That isn't culture.
Ballycraigy had half the pallets of the Larne one . Ballycraigy stacked a few small single pallets on top to give the illusion of height. 50 mins Craigyhill was alight at top before the fire spread down as it was solid from bottom to the top!
@@ulsterpatriot1420 agreed Ballycraigy was the better built tidy no lorry straps needed. And it was 9 metres taller as Airborne imagery NI pointed out. Larne was indeed huge fire too some money worth of pallets in both fires. What will next year bring lol 😂
Can someome help me to understand the point of all this? Like I'm trying and trying but I don't get why anyone would build this and then just set it on fire, like what?? Can someone explain please
In this particular Case it's just to burn some Irish Flags. Decorating a Bonfire with Flags and torching it is supposed to be more acceptable than just burning the Flags right away. But building large Bonfires for less controversial Reasons is a Tradition in many Places. It's done in Switzerland and Southern Germany around Carnival and in Northern Germany around Easter, in both Cases "to scare away Winter Ghosts". In Scandinavia, Bonfires are built for Mid Summer Night on June 23, especially around the Arctic Circle to celebrate the Midnight Sun.
No such thing as global warming my friend a top prof in that field has came forward.and z there is no global warming and he z sorry for put the fear of God into people i would send a link but im simple lol
This is truly embarrassing. The fact that in this day in age they continue to cause damage to the environment and waste tax payers money on the cleanup is ridiculous. That money could be better sourced, going into tackling the mental health crisis in Northern Ireland at the minute.
@@Badbhoys you’re right. I’ve just found out that someone fell to their death from one in larne. Last year a teenage boy was badly burned, houses had to be evacuated due to fire damage as well. What more will it take to stop this, one life lost is one too many. I really can’t see why they are allowed to continue.
@@bmacdonald3557 honestly like Northern Ireland Fire & Rescue service have pleaded with them to make it smaller but they didn’t listen i think the police and the council should go in and tear it down
@@Badbhoys that’s what I’ve said along, it’s just a massive drain on resources. I think they police and council are afraid, last time they tried to manage one they got attacked. I’m not saying everyone at the bonfires would do that, but I think that’s what holds the police back. They try and turn a blind eye to avoid riots. It’s truly ridiculous these things are still legal, especially when we all are so conscious of environmental damage.
always amuses me how people who claim claim racial & religious supremacy are the lowest & most stupid example of their race or religion in almost all cases.
It's always the ones who's ancestors were busy living in mud huts, with no clothing and eating dirt cookies while the rest of the world was building ships, exploring and industrializing that have the dumbest shit to say.
@@arrandinsmore580 sorry Arainn, comment was not meant to be aimed at every person in Northern Ireland. Just the ones that involved in this kind of irresponsible bullshit...
It’s people like Boris Johnson who encourages them and Arlene Foster who actually thinks the lighting of huge bonfires creating untold environmental damage is an acceptable expression of unionist culture, Irish culture is about creativity in the arts, music , literature, dance , poetry etc, these philistines wouldn’t know anything about sophisticated culture , they’re an embarrassment to most people in Northern Ireland and the most frustrating part of it is tax payers from both sides of Northern Ireland pay for this mess in council grants and subsidies 🤦, the clean up alone across the country cost millions which could be better spent in hospitals and schools.
I was there that night, didn't see myself in this video. Amazing night. The place was bouncing, music pumping, massive crowd, good times. There was another bonfire down the street too.
Guaranteed,there wasn't one person with a college degree there. This isn't about culture or history,this is about poor,angry,sweaty people venting their anger,over their shitty lives,on the hottest week of the year. In England,they are called football hooligans,not protectors of culture,in America,they call them hillbilly's not fucking history teachers. The 12th isn't about the battle of the boyne,its about the battle of aughrim Bonfires are an ancient,Irish tradition,century's older. These "celebrations" would not be allowed in Britain,or any civilized country.
Seems easy to criticise something you don't understand! Each area compete to have the biggest is all it is. When I was growing up the whole community took part with no friction!
I know people with degrees that cant give a definition of a man or woman so im not sure a collage degree is a sign of intelligence. Have you done any research into why fires are light on the 11th July, their symbolism within Unionist Culture. As to the switch from the Battle of Aughrim to the Battle of the Boyne, take that up with the pope that changed the calendar by 12 days only to find we still had something to celebrate on that day
These bonfires are an obscenity , the amount of pollution put into the atmosphere every year is appalling, the cost to the tax payers of the north of Ireland is huge and more than half want them replaced with beacons or banned outright.
What an ill-informed comment. I don't know one Orangeman who goes to a bonfire on the 11th night, and the Orange Order is a religious order. And you want them to die because?
@@shanedl1793 FYI .....Pope Adrian IV gave Ireland to Henry II , the rampant papist Anglo Norman King way back in 1171. There's where your blame lies my friend! The infallible Pope started the ball rolling ! Nothing to do with Planters from 17th century In fact the Gaels were usurpers and Planters themselves! Not of these shores !!
@@j63636 Wrong. Learn your Irish history. The Gaels were invaders to these shores as were the Celts Then in 1171, Pope Adrian IV , under the Donation of Constantine, gave the island of Ireland to the rampant papist Anglo Norman King Henry II . In return Henry extracted a tax known as Peter's pence from every Irish household, payable to Rome! Henry was also tasked with force converting all the Irish inhabitants to Popery. Up until then the majority were pagan or Culdee Christians who didn't bow the knee to Rome ie those who found Christianity from St Patrick.
Down south you can get €5 per pallet. Imagine all the money that could be raised for charity with those pallets and donated in the memory of King Billy or some other Protestant hero. Would that not be a far better way of remembering the 12 July
Or even pay for coaches to take them to the battle site of the boyne here's the ADRESS VISIT THE BOYNE CO MEATH LEINSTER IRELAND 🇮🇪.... STERLING ACCEPTED
Was down fr Belfast last night with my kids and the place was all well planned out great night great bonfire 🔥 amd well done to the people who collected all the pettets
@@davealex6640 Ok, kind of get your point, but what makes you think I am catholic? Or even Christian for that matter ?!?! In truth I am neither, but no need to go there.. this is 2021 not 1521, things change my friend.. There is a God, but God does not write books..
@@jamiemcc6253 Is that worth replying too ? Maybe hating foreignors, believing they are superior and just hating everyone not like themselves.. a bit like the Nazi's,burning effigies of whatever in america mainly minorities and N IRL the same.. they are very alike, but I will grant you one thing - you can buy the Rep Irl flag on KKK website these days..
@@Kyle1994NI yeah but it’s rlly sad. For some of them it’s the most eventful thing in their lives. Instead they could look for a job, educate themselves abs see the better, peaceful side of life
What would happen if a different religions leader was put on a huge bonfire would it be allowed example the dali lamma mohammed or the leader of some other sect bet it wouldnt be allowed only if its the pope right?
I'm just an American of Irish Catholic descent. I was impressed with the bonfire and glad nobody was hurt when it collapsed. I'm sure I don't know all the history, but I don't see how all the hateful comments help anything.
So that is what a "heat treated pallet" is about!
Did they heat treat Bobby Sand's cell to get rid of the stale shite and piss after he vacated it?
@@ulsterpatriot1420 EXACTLY WHAT U NEEDED."
*"**ToPgEn.MoNsTeR**"*
”DID IT HELP YOU TOO?”
ROBUX GENERATOR
Remembering Jason, Mark and Richard Quinn who were murdered by Loyalists in Ballymoney.
Rest In Peace 🙏
Eh let’s not go there. We could be listing senseless killings by both sides for days. Let’s just enjoy a bit of culture without being shamed for it shall we?
@@georginaohara42 culture is celebrating artists, musicians, writers etc. Not building bonfires and burning flags of other nations.
@@joesoap4718 oh but there is music, art, stories & history shared. It just depends what one chooses to focus on.
Have a blessed week.
Those children were murdered for God and Ulster by those who are an affront to humanity but still have the cheek to call themselves "Protestant" the ones who never see the inside of a church, say a prayer or read a bible.
@@georginaohara42 You missed the point. The people building these bonfires claim they should be allowed to do so because it's part of their "culture". These people have no interest in celebrating real culture. They would rather celebrate a battle that happened 300 years ago in another country and burn flags of other nations. That isn't culture.
This wasnt the talletst it was the 2nd tallesg the tallest was in ballycraigy
That's what I said they speed past last day
Ballycraigy had half the pallets of the Larne one . Ballycraigy stacked a few small single pallets on top to give the illusion of height. 50 mins Craigyhill was alight at top before the fire spread down as it was solid from bottom to the top!
@@ulsterpatriot1420 agreed Ballycraigy was the better built tidy no lorry straps needed. And it was 9 metres taller as Airborne imagery NI pointed out. Larne was indeed huge fire too some money worth of pallets in both fires. What will next year bring lol 😂
Thats a real fun fact.
anyone got a light?
Howd the wind feel
I was there with my dad, mum and 2 brothers
Can someome help me to understand the point of all this? Like I'm trying and trying but I don't get why anyone would build this and then just set it on fire, like what?? Can someone explain please
In this particular Case it's just to burn some Irish Flags. Decorating a Bonfire with Flags and torching it is supposed to be more acceptable than just burning the Flags right away. But building large Bonfires for less controversial Reasons is a Tradition in many Places. It's done in Switzerland and Southern Germany around Carnival and in Northern Germany around Easter, in both Cases "to scare away Winter Ghosts". In Scandinavia, Bonfires are built for Mid Summer Night on June 23, especially around the Arctic Circle to celebrate the Midnight Sun.
Global warming and pallet shortage.
No such thing as global warming my friend a top prof in that field has came forward.and z there is no global warming and he z sorry for put the fear of God into people i would send a link but im simple lol
@@moonbeam8120 please explain to me why all the ice caps and glaciers are melting,does that mean it's getting colder🤦♂️
@@lam19bo oh that thats called mother nature what a bitch lol 😆
@@moonbeam8120 then why the fuck did we have the record temperature beaten twice in three years where I live.
@@moonbeam8120 My ma said never trust someone that used z instead of said
Da klettert jemand hoch um es anzumachen und dann klettert er wieder runter ? 😳😳
This is truly embarrassing. The fact that in this day in age they continue to cause damage to the environment and waste tax payers money on the cleanup is ridiculous. That money could be better sourced, going into tackling the mental health crisis in Northern Ireland at the minute.
Ino they’re absolute muppets the one they have this year is bigger and I personally think someone is gonna get killed when it collapses
@@Badbhoys you’re right. I’ve just found out that someone fell to their death from one in larne. Last year a teenage boy was badly burned, houses had to be evacuated due to fire damage as well. What more will it take to stop this, one life lost is one too many.
I really can’t see why they are allowed to continue.
@@bmacdonald3557 honestly like Northern Ireland Fire & Rescue service have pleaded with them to make it smaller but they didn’t listen i think the police and the council should go in and tear it down
@@Badbhoys that’s what I’ve said along, it’s just a massive drain on resources. I think they police and council are afraid, last time they tried to manage one they got attacked. I’m not saying everyone at the bonfires would do that, but I think that’s what holds the police back. They try and turn a blind eye to avoid riots.
It’s truly ridiculous these things are still legal, especially when we all are so conscious of environmental damage.
@@bmacdonald3557 and its just dumb building a huge bonfire to burn a flag
I wonder how much CO2 it will produces?
Not too much. Still not good as the trees had to be cut down for this. Could’ve built like 10 houses with it.
@@haroldinho9930 they're just old pallets
quick question, what percentage of the earths atmosphere is C02 ? People who know that fact rarely complain about the quantity anything produces
always amuses me how people who claim claim racial & religious supremacy are the lowest & most stupid example of their race or religion in almost all cases.
meaning who in this case?
@@eimearc have guess
@@eimearc In this case, likely the bonfire builders as they typically write racist messages on the side and burn effigies of Irish politicians.
Not the brightest group and your man who fell off the Larne bonfire is a Darwin awards hopeful
It's always the ones who's ancestors were busy living in mud huts, with no clothing and eating dirt cookies while the rest of the world was building ships, exploring and industrializing that have the dumbest shit to say.
If you ever want a good example of how to go backwards look to the Northern Irish...
*small minority of loyalist Northern Irish...
@@arrandinsmore580 sorry Arainn, comment was not meant to be aimed at every person in Northern Ireland. Just the ones that involved in this kind of irresponsible bullshit...
Yet we call 1000 in an hour, what can you do chump!
@@zx10rmac84 Articulation isn't your strong point, is it?
It’s people like Boris Johnson who encourages them and Arlene Foster who actually thinks the lighting of huge bonfires creating untold environmental damage is an acceptable expression of unionist culture, Irish culture is about creativity in the arts, music , literature, dance , poetry etc, these philistines wouldn’t know anything about sophisticated culture , they’re an embarrassment to most people in Northern Ireland and the most frustrating part of it is tax payers from both sides of Northern Ireland pay for this mess in council grants and subsidies 🤦, the clean up alone across the country cost millions which could be better spent in hospitals and schools.
Las fallas de Valencia en el Ulster?? 😃
Isn't Jesus dead?
Never could I climb it
Craigyhill's bonfire was really good but it wasn't the biggest in Northern Ireland. Ballycraigy's was the biggest
Rathcraigy and Craigylin will be bigger.
@@19grand This year the biggest in Northern Ireland will definitely be Corcrain Portadown
@@madman1194 Thanks. Due to be lit next week. Do you know if its near finished?
@@19grand Yea I think it actually is finished now
Really that's a fucking hard one to follow. Here was I thinking there could only be a few does when in fact there's more
Tiocfaidh ar la.
It's Tiocfaidh
@@Irish_1916 one letter out but easily fixed lol.
They are getting in your head hahaha
So, out dated 🙄
@@zx10rmac84 like the bonfires aye
Why people are burning flag ? 👀
Because they are special people 😵
@@jamiemcc6253 ha ha ha YER very special lol
@@yorkymc 🤣🤣 How's Dole life treating you?
Because they’re brain dead.
Good one where did you get that one from a cereal box you twat
Nice lil joint for the world
Was it billys wig that caught fire ?
Wow 🔥😮
Those protestants up to no good as usual
ur ma
Fuck up fenion
@@denisosullivan4065 same goes to you fruit
You do realise catholics also have bomb fires especially in Londonderry
@@douglastaggart9360 it’s a father Ted reference man hahaha
I was there that night, didn't see myself in this video. Amazing night. The place was bouncing, music pumping, massive crowd, good times. There was another bonfire down the street too.
Guaranteed,there wasn't one person with a college degree there.
This isn't about culture or history,this is about poor,angry,sweaty people venting their anger,over their shitty lives,on the hottest week of the year.
In England,they are called football hooligans,not protectors of culture,in America,they call them hillbilly's not fucking history teachers.
The 12th isn't about the battle of the boyne,its about the battle of aughrim
Bonfires are an ancient,Irish tradition,century's older. These "celebrations" would not be allowed in Britain,or any civilized country.
Seems easy to criticise something you don't understand! Each area compete to have the biggest is all it is. When I was growing up the whole community took part with no friction!
I know people with degrees that cant give a definition of a man or woman so im not sure a collage degree is a sign of intelligence. Have you done any research into why fires are light on the 11th July, their symbolism within Unionist Culture. As to the switch from the Battle of Aughrim to the Battle of the Boyne, take that up with the pope that changed the calendar by 12 days only to find we still had something to celebrate on that day
This bonfire was not in Britain you clown.
There was at least one person there with more than a college degree there, and I was with said person.
While everyone else is trying to stop burning stuff, look at this!
These bonfires are an obscenity , the amount of pollution put into the atmosphere every year is appalling, the cost to the tax payers of the north of Ireland is huge and more than half want them replaced with beacons or banned outright.
The where of Ireland?
Mutants
It’s a shame no orangemen where under it when it fell.
Pathetic customer.
I hope you family ends up in it 👍
Unfortunate
It's a shame the best part of you ran down your mas leg
What an ill-informed comment. I don't know one Orangeman who goes to a bonfire on the 11th night, and the Orange Order is a religious order. And you want them to die because?
Why the foreign harp?
because this video is by "The Irish Independent* newspaper, thats their logo
A very powerful reason to repatriate the entire Unionist bloc back tp Britain - though the British dont want them.
This kind of primitive medieval bigotry has no place in a modern Europe. I believe Unionists will ultimately self destruct.
and this is their" CULTURE" ffs
John 3.16-21
I wish some of you would educate yourselves on the history of your northern protestant cousins instead of bigoted hate speach
Tiocfaidh ar la
Oh the humanity
Tallest bonfire was Ballycraigy Antrim beat craigy hill by a good few metres and didn't need any ratchet straps to hold her up ;)
You planter cunts are a cancer.
That's not something to be proud of.
Nope lol cope harder
Pity it didn’t fall on the bigots ….. orange scum …..
Shite. Fell over.
At that height it was always going to, you idiot.
All bonfires should be banned from all traditions for environmental protection and peoples health its ridiculous in these times of climate change
Irelands shame
May God forgive you all
The Union Jack is the Union of Jacob of the 12 tribes of Israel they are fulfilling the Covenant en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Covenant
@@Krawn_ look i couldn't care but see burning crosses and states of are holy mother is bang out of order grow up as if that's anything to celebrate
@@Krawn_ free Palestine.
It isn't tallest one antrim is
Has anyone mentioned that it's not the tallest yet?
I believe larne has just beaten the world record
rituals......
Is it?
@@jamiemcc6253 No its meant to represent the bonfires which where lit along the coast to guide the ships which would break the seige of Derry.
Any cash in that ash.
Brilliant 11th night at Craigyhill
Takes a special type of mouth breathing cretin to call this shite brilliant.
@@j63636 The IRA murdered and maimed fire service personnel and ambulance staff assisting victims of their 30 year terror campaign!
@@jonnyquest7099 Takes a special type of cretin to call himself Jonny Quest ! Soy boy no doubt ?
@@shanedl1793 FYI .....Pope Adrian IV gave Ireland to Henry II , the rampant papist Anglo Norman King way back in 1171. There's where your blame lies my friend! The infallible Pope started the ball rolling ! Nothing to do with Planters from 17th century In fact the Gaels were usurpers and Planters themselves! Not of these shores !!
@@j63636 Wrong. Learn your Irish history. The Gaels were invaders to these shores as were the Celts Then in 1171, Pope Adrian IV , under the Donation of Constantine, gave the island of Ireland to the rampant papist Anglo Norman King Henry II . In return Henry extracted a tax known as Peter's pence from every Irish household, payable to Rome! Henry was also tasked with force converting all the Irish inhabitants to Popery. Up until then the majority were pagan or Culdee Christians who didn't bow the knee to Rome ie those who found Christianity from St Patrick.
Greta Thunberg would be proud of the environmental impact.
So would she walk across the water Paul?
@@ronniemacleod841 What, you mean like Jesus?
Yes, Tweeting her disdain from the private yacht she travels around the world in, im sure...
@@janedoe-hq9vn She's probably sailing in a viking longboat, much like her ancestors of old.
@@janedoe-hq9vn pretty sure it’s electrical to persuade the politicians even more. I’m not joking.
Fenians don't like protestant bonfires but go on RUclips to watch them 😂
fenians.. wtf... these people really are living in cloud cuckoo land. it is 2021 not 1690. absolutely ridiculous
The ancient feni were an itinerant group who lived in Ireland.
There descendents are still with us.
Hence the word Fenian.
Do you even know what a FENIAN is?
@@tommyboyd9208 a murderer
Good point. They hate everything opposite to their view yet will make time to look up the very things they don't like 😀
Lol that's years ago the Boyne who's winning now !!! Just sick of Brits in government
Hey, we're a union, be nice and don't be bullying
No end in sight for bigotry
Agreed, you should really stop it.
Do people throw potatoes in wrapped in foil?
they do that in the small fires for the kids light earlier in the evening around the base
Down south you can get €5 per pallet. Imagine all the money that could be raised for charity with those pallets and donated in the memory of King Billy or some other Protestant hero. Would that not be a far better way of remembering the 12 July
Or even pay for coaches to take them to the battle site of the boyne here's the ADRESS VISIT THE BOYNE CO MEATH LEINSTER IRELAND 🇮🇪.... STERLING ACCEPTED
@@colonisedtartan9539 what’s the battle of the Boyne got to do with our culture and the burning pallets so it is?
Asking for a friend in Rathcoole
@@JT-xt8bh well if your friend from rathcoole can't explain to you . Your a lost cause .
@@JT-xt8bh thats like asking what does gravy have to do with a roast 🍽
Woow ....such environment friendly event 🤦♂️
@@magosdominus4027 Yawn, such a tired argument...
If he does own a car, I bet he doesn't pile it on top of other cars and set it on fire, every year.
Was down fr Belfast last night with my kids and the place was all well planned out great night great bonfire 🔥 amd well done to the people who collected all the pettets
You can’t even spell pallet….. why teach children the hatred you dirty scum have.
Stole the pallets
@@downhilloverkill8185 probably cost a fortune a pellet
@@downhilloverkill8185can confirm 😂
Reminds me so much of the KKK, burning crosses.. then again Loyalists and KKK are fairly similar.. :)
They are after all of the same Protestant Settler People's in the same time period.
You must be a Protestant to join the Orange Order, and the KKK.
How are they similar?
@@davealex6640 Ok, kind of get your point, but what makes you think I am catholic? Or even Christian for that matter ?!?! In truth I am neither, but no need to go there.. this is 2021 not 1521, things change my friend.. There is a God, but God does not write books..
@@jamiemcc6253 Is that worth replying too ?
Maybe hating foreignors, believing they are superior and just hating everyone not like themselves.. a bit like the Nazi's,burning effigies of whatever in america mainly minorities and N IRL the same.. they are very alike, but I will grant you one thing - you can buy the Rep Irl flag on KKK website these days..
@@davealex6640 Nathan Bedford Forrest (first Grand Wizard) Scottish Presbyterian, and Six other Scottish-Americans formed the first Klan 1865
Yeeoooo
thats like 40k worth of pallets
Happy 12th July to one and all.
Thats my birthday :O
Larne some spooky possums floating about co antrim
Leave them be it keeps them happy take that away you will be heading down a dangerous road once a year is minor
0:34 All of the community was out to watch it...bout 50 people
Solely basing your view from a video that was less than 2 minutes long AND you weren't there. I was and you're wrong. So shut up.
Absolute rain dead fannies
It took 55 minutes to fall down and it was cool
Who was at it?
A load of like minded backward thinking, bunch of simpleton's, most likely...
They there to many drunk people too
@@Ethan_MEB shut up
@@shutupjustshutupalright7207 why
it say four replies, but there's only one
It's so immature
How’s that immature? Lmao
@@Kyle1994NI yeah but it’s rlly sad. For some of them it’s the most eventful thing in their lives. Instead they could look for a job, educate themselves abs see the better, peaceful side of life
@@hill1629 ik m8 what u mean i just go out for a laugh im not Political myself i dont support any Politics i Despise the Government
@@Kyle1994NI gman that’s nice to hear that, tbf it does look like good craic hahah
God bless the republican tax payer for the fire service why are the unionist allowed to build that in the north and you would be stopped in england
Republicans don't pay taxes.
Most of SF supporters rely on benefits.
God bless the British tax payer paying for so called Republicans in northern ireland that are happy getting payed by British for there dole money
Good question. Why don't you ask Westminster?
What would happen if a different religions leader was put on a huge bonfire would it be allowed example the dali lamma mohammed or the leader of some other sect bet it wouldnt be allowed only if its the pope right?
So would you at that height, ✌️🇬🇧✌️
I was there 😂😂😂🖒
Me too!
I'm just an American of Irish Catholic descent. I was impressed with the bonfire and glad nobody was hurt when it collapsed. I'm sure I don't know all the history, but I don't see how all the hateful comments help anything.
Maybe you should learn the history so...
Maybe you should explain how all the hateful comments help anything.
John 3.16-21
Was it your great aunts dog or your great uncles dog that was Irish?
Basically, Dan, this bonfire is a hate symbol. It's an anti-Catholic celebration rooted in sectarian bigotry.
Love Northern Ireland 🇬🇧🏴
Ur a disappointment Tiocfaidh ar la
Disgusting tramps
More sectarian celebrating i see.
Different story when it's your culture celebrating terrorist like the I.r.a murdering innocents 👍
Same as the Easter Rising parades then?? 🤔
@@LivingOnaPrayer123 oh yes the parades where they celebrate failure.