@@satumattinen715 I am 50/50 swedish/fin and grew up with alooot of people who are 50% finnish here in suburbs of Stockholm. I think the "hate" between us mostly comes from finnish people, becuse people are very supportive of finnish achievments etc here lol. We even cheer you on if got eliminated in the hockey tournament. Cant speak for other places in Sweden tho.
@soph6094 Correction: No, she did Not say that she's a Swedish-speaking FINN, she said that she's a Swedish-speaking FINLANDER (finländare). Please see my comment.
Both my parents are Swedish speaking, so I'm a Swedish speaking Finn. My wife speaks only Finnish so we communicate in Finnish, but our child is bi-lingual. I speak Swedish with him, my wife speaks Finnish.
And she speaks in swedish there... I like that fact that we have two official languages and also samish language have samae status in there areas where sami people live in, also so many accents even in finnish tribes.
I'm a swedish speaking finn from Helsinki and both of my parents speak swedish at home but some of my friends speak finnish with one parent and swedish with another. What she said about different accents in different parts of the country is true, the most unique finlandssvenska is found in Närpes.
There are Finns in Finland who's native language is Swedish, and there are Swedes in Sweden who's native language is Finnish. In both countries we have Sami who's native language is Sami. Then there's Swedes in mostly Tornedalen that speaks Meänkeli, which is a finnic language very closely related to Finnish. All this because todays Sweden and Finland originally were one country that was split in two through the middle.
@@wdvnge That's a misconception.The early medieval nation of Sweden originated in the trading area along the coastal areas of the Baltic Sea and along Mälaren. Finns were proper citizens of the Kingdom of Sweden. To call it an occupation is like saying Russia is occupying St. Petersburg because the swamp there used to be Swedish. Fun fact: Finland was a part of Sweden for several hundred years longer than the southern provinces of contemporary Sweden.
When I went to Sweden for one term/semester as a Swedish-speaking Finn exchange student, I found myself in a sort of limbo. I was the only international student to attend classes in Swedish because it's my mother tongue (duh), all the other exchange students had their classes in English. I never sounded Sweden-Swedish enough to blend in seamlessly with the rest of my class, and since Swedish was my native language I wasn't "foreign enough" to really blend in with the other international students that had come there from farther away. It was a weird experience. I also remember when applying for a library card, the librarian immediately pointed me to their very limited Finnish book section. It was an unknown concept for most Swedes I met that I actually spoke Swedish as my first language, and everyone thought I had a Finnish accent when in fact it was Finland-Swedish. The teacher during my first class actually asked if I understood everything he said in Swedish and that if he should switch to English instead. In many cases, I actually spoke better Swedish grammatically than my Swedish classmates.
So sorry that your study time did not go as you imagined. I myself discovered at the age of 30 that I didn't really know who I was. My friends suddenly asked if I'm Swedish or Finnish. I was born in Sweden to Finnish parents. I stopped speaking Finnish around the age of four/five. My parents have always spoken Finnish to me and I have answered in Swedish. When I got the question from my friends, I was partly caught off guard and partly I realized that I hadn't thought about and gained insight into my nationality. I remember that it was mostly my friends who divided back and forth what I could possibly be. For many years I felt that I was in some kind of no man's land, today I see myself as a Swede with Finnish blood which gives me an extra wealth and an ability to look at things more easily from more angles. Wonderful to have another homeland to relate to in different ways during the course of life. Among the absolute most beautiful of my memories are the long summer holidays on my grandparents' farm in central Finland, sweet memories.
It's definitely a case of being in a limbo. Too "Swedish" in Finland, too "Finnish" in Sweden. However, at least in Sweden I don't have to answer questions about how many relatives I have in Sweden (none, to my knowledge) and listen to people that think they are funny when speaking some jibberish that sounds Swedish-esque. I'm literally at the point that I'll punch the next person that uses words like "skaggaböle" in a sentence and expect a laugh in return. It would be like me saying shit like "yksi kaksi shampoolainen kolmisoppi" to be "funny" to them.
Famous Swedish speaking Finns: the president of Finland Alexander Stubb. Actually he is bilingual. Or almost a polyglot; speaks also English, German and French.
new Finn here 💙 I don’t know if you have already reacted to this but ’Singles guide to Finland’ by Dating Beyond Boarders could be an interesting watch! your perspectives are great 🤝 keep them videos coming!
I have been watching a lot of your videos, and yes, I am a Swedish speaking Finn too as she is. And as she said, it is very easy for us to recognize from what part of the country the person are if you talk with a stranger that are also a Swedish speaking Finn, the dialect is pretty different in the Vasa region from Helsinki/Turku.
My mom is from a Swedish speaking Finnish family, although she grew up bilingual due to speaking Finnish with her friends. My dad was from a strictly Finnish speaking family. We grew up bilingual as most Swedish speaking Finns do. In our case we spoke Finnish with my dad and his relatives, Swedish with my mom and her relatives. We went to Swedish speaking schools in Helsinki. My youngest sibling is 17 years younger than I and when they moved to the countryside when she was 11 she switched to a Finnish speaking school as they were no Swedish language schools nearby. My siblings are both married to Finns from Finnish speaking families and are raising their kids bilingual he same way we were raised.
@@eveliinaniilivuo7329 Yeah, but some Finns deny any connection between Finnish and Finland Swedish prosodies. (I had a long discussion with one of them last week.)
@@herrbonk3635 This finn doesnt obviously finnis affects the swedish dialect spoken here. In fact when i compare norwegians who live in the north and norwegians of the south, northern norwegian tone of speaking sounds a lot like finnish - southern really does not. Lot of finns has moved to northern norway trhoughout couple of centuries, one would think is has had an effect no the dialect too.
Hello Actually, there is a Nobel prize winner that is a finn-swede. His name is Ragnar Granit and he got the medicine prize 1967. I have been told that he is a distant relative to me and I have never met him. Otherwise, most of the Finnish swedish speaking areas is located on the west coast around city of Vasa and around the southwest part near Åbo (Turku) including mpst of the archipelago stretching to the island of Åland. My fathrrs mother lived her whole life in the archipelago without knowing any finish. Think it was quite common in her generation and before. She was born in the 1920s. My father moved to Sweden after his education in Vasa, in the earl 1960s. I still have a lot of relatives along the archipelago and we have a house that my late father built. I really enjoy listening to the finnas swedish dialekt.
We've got a Finnish speaking minority in Sweden as well up in the north. My grandmother from Tornedalen was a native speaker of Tornedalean Finnish which is called Meänkieli.
Technically speaking, I think Meänkieli is considered a separate language from Finnish in Sweden, but from a linguistic viewpoint, it's a regional dialect of Finnish with a little larger amount of Swedish loanwords than dialects in Finland.
My family is Finland-swedish or as it is called Swedish speaking Finns. We come from the Turku and archipelago area. I live now on the the Åland islands which are an autonomous region in Finland and have only Swedish as their official language. When I moved here from the mainland I had to adapt my language because they don't use the Finnish words I normally mix into my Swedish. The dialect is a bit different but still many words here are similar to Finland Swedish. There was always a closer contact to Sweden here. 🇦🇽
She said it pretty well at the beginning of the video. Finlandssvenska is a version of Svenska (Swedish) not spoken in Sweden, but in Finland. Just like American English is a version of English not spoken in England, but in the US. I'm not a Swedish speaking Finn, I'm a Swedish speaking Swede btw, but I understood everything she said because it is the same language, just different dialects.
It's sad that so many Swedes today don't know Swedish history and are surprised when people from Finland speak Swedish (finlandssvenska) as their mother tongue. To be fair, many Finns, especially young ones, don't know Finnish history very well either. Unfortunately there are less compulsory history courses in Finnish schools today than back in my day 30 years ago. History is important in order to understand why the world is the way it is.
I’m not Swedish Finnish but have relatives that you can say are. I’m Swedish but my grandma’s brother is a Finnish war child who came with his younger brother to Sweden during the Finnish civil war. They got split up and Yrjö was placed with my grandma in Falun. He didn’t speak the language and when the war was over and he was forced to move back (he wanted to stay) he couldn’t speak with his family since he’d forgotten Finnish. Now he speaks both fluently, he and his wife switch seamlessly when speaking to us. I think it’s basically the same for us Nordic countries with our native language and English, I choose to think in English to keep up my proficiency now that I don’t live abroad anymore.
Sweden was a big Power between 1611-1718. Sweden had part of Norway and all of Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and part of Russia. Since then the people living at the coast of Finland speaks swedish. We also have people living along the Torne River in Sweden that speak a finnish dialect called Meänkieli.
You need to add a couple of hundred years there for Finland. Swedish immigration/colonization of coast of Finland began in earnest in the middle of the 13th century.
You asked us what we Finlandssvenskar speak, well... We have this saying: "Some speak what they can, and some speak what they want" 😉 (Because when you speak 3+ languages, you speak what you want... I speak 5. And yes we switch between them midsentence if we feel like).
The history is, that Finland was an eastern part of Sweden from 1100's till 1807, when Russia invaded and captured eastern Sweden. So that's why swedish was the administrative language in Finland and most of the officials were send from Sweden to govern the eastern part of imperium. That's how swedish speakers came as a ruling minority in Finland for 700 years. Also for higher education a finn must learn swedish to get into University. That's how also some people of finnish origin got to rise into the swedish speaking minority. Even under Russian rule swedish kept it's status as a administrative language close to 1900's till finns started to demand for University teach in finnish. Basicly as English has replaced Irish and Scottish, Swedish muted the Finnish language. And since Finland came intependent 1917 it has been bi-lingual by law.
100% Correct. Its all documented. Swedes even built protestant churches here as to quell the local population. Because what better than religion back in those days. And the language was of course Swedish. And yes you are 100% correct as well, since 1917 it has been bi-lingual. My grandfather born in Finland and Finnish citizen all his life, fought in the second world war for Finland. Never spoke a word of Finnish. Swedish dialect. Finnish calls us "hurries".
I am Finland's svensk and at home we spoke swedish. My grandmother was totally Finnish and she took care of me quite a lot when I was a child, which means I also learned Finnish before entering Swedish speaking school. Nowadays the younger generation (borned after 2000) attend to mix Finnish and swedish in a way I think sounds absolutely terrible 😁 and I would say it's rather common especially around the Helsinki area..
i know what you mean because my brothers children speak finnish with their mothers and swedish with my brothers they switch direcly and i think that is impressiv
My paternal grandfather was a Swedish only speaking Finn and moved over to Sweden as very young(Russians attacking Finland) in the early 1900's. He was born in Ekenäs south of Helsingfors(he taught me I was not allowed to use the Finnish name as it was a Swedish town in his eyes). So I have some Finnish in me even though they themselves actually never saw themselves as Finns.
My father in law came from Åland (the island between Sweden and Finland) and spoke finnish-swedish. They, as I understand, prefer to speak only Swedish, watch Swedish TV, often go to Swedish uni etc. (I applied for a job there once).
For nearly 700 years - from sometime in the 12th century to 1809 - Sweden and Finland were the same country unclear when it started, but people have not been occupied for 700 years. However, Russia occupied Finland when the Swedes lost the war against Russia
This is the issue. Sweden and Finland were the same country.. They didn't "move" to Finland from modern day Sweden as Finland didn't exist but as a province of Sweden. And by Finns that originally meant Swedish speaking people from the "Province of Finland". Our peoples are ethnically mixed with each others long before there even was a concept of countries.
Must add Gustaf Mannerheim to names of extremely important FinlandsSvenskar without him Finland as a country would probably not exist. Also noteworthy is that Finlands current president Alexander Stubb is FinlandsSvensk. There’s also a FinlandsSvensk special-status region between Finland and Sweden called Åland 🇦🇽with is own rather autonomous governance with it’s own Parliament much like Scotland in the UK. They have their own seat on the Nordic Council and special status within the EU with regards to taxes. 🇸🇪❤️🇦🇽
As a Swede, I consider her “dialect” to be the absolute finest. Hoppeligen - I'll start using! (Dwayne... now you've made a mess of everything. Haven't you studied Swedish/Finnish several times?)
She speaks Swedish (Finlandssvenska) but I think her speed of speaking is very normal. Like a basic conversation speed.
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Sweden-Finland (Finnish: Ruotsi-Suomi) is a name sometimes used in the 20th century for Sweden during the era from the 13th century to the end of the Finnish War in 1809, when Sweden also included the area that is today independent Finland.
I can, usually, clearly hear the difference a Swedish speaking Finn (finlandssvensk) och a Finn speaking Swedish as a second language. To me the ”finlandssvenska” dialect and melody is very distinct and recognisable. And I can, easily, recognize if a person has a finnish accent when speaking Swedish (i e is not ”finladssvensk” but finnish). The word chocolate, for instance. In Swedish you would pronounce it (slight variations, of course, depending which dialect you have: choklad/sjoklad/schoklad. But a Finn who is speaking Swedish as a foreign language usually says: soklat. I have a colleague who is a Swedish speaking Finn (in her early 60’s) and she was born in Finland and grew up there, but doesn’t know Finnish. And I have another colleague who is a native Finnish speaker (mid 60’s) and who has lived in Sweden for at least 30 years and you can hear that she is speaking Swedish, as a second language, and with a Finnish accent.
I'm form Estonia and I've been using Duolingo to learn Swedish. It's really hard to understand when Swedes speak but finlandssvenska is much easier to understand. Their pronunciation sounds more clear and normal.
She looks like a Swedish babe, broad Finnish accent in her Swedish that I place somewhere in Helsinki 1925. Proud to be a Finnish, mastering swedish, even English, German and somewhat Italian. Jajamensan!❤🎉
She is not much for history, Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim was also a Swedish speaking Finn. He lead the white side in the Civil war against the communist in Finland and later Finland through WW2 and managed to keep it' independent.
That was my first thought after she concluded her title list. Hey was considered the “Finn of the (20th) Century,” being simultaneously both the most loved and hated (by Finns) Finn. Hw was from an aristocratic family with branches in both Finland and Sweden, and at one time I believe, before Finnish independence, served in the Russian military.
In "highest up" northern Sweden they speak finnish as much as swedish. We have moved all over the place through history. I think the finns are our closest "sibling". At least in my opinion. Not by distans but by blood. In Skåne, southern sweden, they may feel more connected with Denmark but over all in Sweden, our loyalty will extend most to Finland I think. 🇸🇪❤🇫🇮 Looks-wise the Norwegians is probably the closest but they kinda detest us. Sooo...that's a thing. Can't blame them really. At least lately 🫣😳😂
I'm finnish speaking Finn, so it's my mother tongue but since swedish is one of the official languages I'm fairly fluent in swedish language too. Every finnish speaker must learn swedish at school. Again depending which part of the country you are from defines if you're going to need the swedish language or not. Some people love the swedish language, some are not so keen to study it.
I am "både och", that is Swedish meaning "both and/of", so I am born and raised Finnish person, and my father was a Swedish mother language person and my Mother a Finnish mother language person, so I learned both languages in my home as a young child. And as a Bonus, that most Finnish mother language persons do not understand (they hate to be forced to learn Swedish in school, used to be in my school years starting from year/grade 3 onwards forced to learn Swedish and English year/grade 6) - Once you know how to speak Swedish, the learning, speaking and pronouncing English is a child's play, since English is the same language family with Sweden and Finland is not and is totally light years a way from either English or Swedish. So be smart. make life easier for you and learn Swedish when it will be taught in the school and you learn roughly half of English language the same time and with the same effort..
Aderton d-juur borrar borrhål. That's one of the things sounding strange to swedes we say arton but they aderton. Then the pronounced d's where swedes just say jur. I'm not sure about the b's and p's so I just put it in.
I am Finlandssvensk. I am from a city in Ostrobothnia (which is a majority Swedish speaking region in Finland), where the dialects are very archaic and are often difficult to understand for Swedes and possibly Swedish speakers from the south of Finland. My entire family and all my friends speak Swedish, and I practically never need Finnish in my day-to-day life (other than in for example Finnish class in school). I've studied it 11-12 years in school, but can only hold very basic conversations as my vocabulary is very small and grammar isn't that good. Some of us Finland/Fenno-Swedes (Finlandssvenskar) have Swedish ancestry, and some have Finnish. Back in the day Finns used to "Swedify" their names and started speaking Swedish, as that was the languages of administration and higher education. Personally most of my ancestors (that I know of) were Swedes who migrated to Ostrobothnia between the 1300s and 1600s, and have stayed here until today. I do a few Finnish ancestors from the region "Southern Ostrobothnia", who swedified their names and started speaking Swedish. In Ostrobothnia it's common to have mostly Swedish ancestry, while on the south coast it's more common to have Finnish ancestors who switched to Swedish. At least as far as I'm aware. I'd say I'm firstly Finland-Swedish and secondly Finnish. I'm very proud of my heritage and culture (which is heavily influenced by Swedish culture), but will still root for Finland over Sweden any day of the week :)
I (a Swedish-American dual citizen) had a Finnish roommate in college (in the US). He was studying for his master’s degree in political science. He was from a formerly Fenno-Swedish family which had some time ago changed their last name to a Finish one, and switched to speaking primarily Finnish. From what I remember him telling me, this had happened a pretty long while back, during the period of Finnish National Romanticism. So he and his family were Finnish speakers, but he spoke Swedish fluently, which was one of the reason we ended up swapping our roommates, and sharing a dorm room my second freshman semester, when I had only lived in the US for a couple of years. Thanks to him I was able to go to bars when I was 19, using one of his IDs. Even though we entered bars together with two different IDs with the same name and photo, the doormen almost never said anything. That wouldn’t happen in the US now, but 1990 was a different era. (some )Finland-Swedish ones are in my opinion among the most beautiful Swedish dialects. The dialect of this girl wasn’t it. To my ears her dialect sounds more to me like Swedish with a Finnish accent. Nothing particularly wrong with that I suppose. The one example I can think of is the actress Stina Ekblad, who I primarily remember from portraying Ismael in Fanny and Alexander.
@@fordhouse8b From what I've seen in interviews online Stina Ekblad speaks standard Finland-Swedish with some Sweden swedish influence, probably due to having maybe been long in Sweden. She is originally from Solf, a village in Korsholm, Ostrobothnia (where my mom, grandma, great grandma etc. are from). Her real dialect from the village she was born in is way different to that of the dialect she speaks in the interviews on Swedish TV.
@@Cronin_ I suppose it isn’t surprising that her accent has changed over time. My own English accent has changed since I returned to the US as a teenager. It even changed enough that people commented on it when I returned for Christmas break after my first semester in college. And that was just from living in a different part of the same US state for a few months.
@@fordhouse8b I read that she speaks "Högsvenska", aka Standard Finland-Swedish (basically a neutral Finland-Swedish dialect that doesn't use any Finland-Swedish words) when speaking in the media, but switches to her native dialect when she returns home to Solf to visit. Many Finland-Swedes are the same way, by speaking Högsvenska with others and immediately switching to their dialect when speaking with others who speak the same dialect
Fun Historic fact regarding famous Finnish Swedes: -Karin Månsdotter, Queen of Sweden year 1568, was married with Sweden's King Erik XIV. -They were both imprisoned in Sweden after an uprising. -In 1573, Karin and their joint children were moved to Turku (Åbo) Castle, in what was then eastern Sweden (today western Finland). -After Erik's death, in prison in Sweden, 1577, Karin was released. -She got a manor, Liuksiala Kungsgård in Tavastehus county, outside Turku (Åbo), where she lived until her death in 1612. -We, Finns and Swedes, share the same royal history and other history for 600 years. From, among the time when we were the same country. -Karin Månsdotter became a very respected person in Turku (Åbo) and the surrounding area and is buried in Turku (Åbo) Cathedral. -In Turku (Åbo), Swedish still are used in public a lot, besides Finnish. And in a number of municipalities neighboring Turku (Åbo), Swedish is still the majority language among the population.
Thanks for very interesting episode Dwayne. I ll copy wiki for you here so no need to look up : "In the 19th century Johan Vilhelm Snellman and others began to stress the need to improve the status of Finnish. Ever since the days of Mikael Agricola, written Finnish had been used almost exclusively in religious contexts, but now Snellman's Hegelian nationalistic ideas of Finnish as a fully-fledged national language gained considerable support. Concerted efforts were made to improve the status of the language and to modernize it, and by the end of the century Finnish had become a language of administration, journalism, literature, and science in Finland, along with Swedish. "
This is one of several reasons why their is a different relationship between Sweden and Finland and Sweden and the other nordic countries. When Sweden joined the EU and much later NATO we first talked to the Finnish government. When Sweden gets a new government they first have meetings with the Finnish government before talking to any other nations government. Sweden has a deeper military cooperation with Finland than with any other nation. Sweden and Finland was the same country for nearly 700 years. So it is lot of history between our 2 countries/peoples . When I was young it was a swedish man in politics that commented on Swedens relationship with the nordic countries and said that if you need to row a boat cross the baltic sea you do not ask any other than the finns if they also need to make that trip becouse you know that if the finns want to do it then they will not focus on who sits in the front or the back of the boat or on wich side, left or right, but they will focus on doing what it takes to get the job done. This ofcourse was not a comment about rowing a boat cross the baltic sea but about mentality. We know the Finns.
She is speaking swedish dwayne! I know many people have already commented about that, but please like- 😢😢 Also, the reason many people in Finland speak swedish and many people in Sweden speak finnish is probably related to the finnish war of 1808-1809 where Russia attacked Finland which was at the time still owned by Sweden. The order after the war was over was put in the tornion joki, so on the other side of the river you might have a cousin that still lived in Sweden while you were now in Russia. I am still in school, so i dont know all about history, but i can tell you more in finnish even if you dont speak or understand it. Venäjän keisari Aleksanteri antoi Suomelle autonomian koska jos suomalaiset kapinoisivat se ei loppuisi hyvin hänelle. Tämä sota alkoi siitä että Napoleon, hyvin tiedetty Ranskan keisari halusi valloittaa Ison-Britannian joten hän halusi laittaa sen kauppasaartoon. Ranska teki sopimuksen Venäjän kanssa (Tilsitin sopimus) eli Venäjän piti saada Ruotsi suostumaan kauppasaartoon. Venäjä sai käyttää mitää vaan taktiikkaa tähän, kunhan se saisi Ruotsin suostumaan kauppasaartoon. Venäjä hyökkäsi Ruotsin omistamaan Suomeen, tämä sota siis on nimetty Suomen sodaksi koska se käytiin Suomen alueella. Melkein kaikki sotilaat jotka taistelivat tässä sodassa Ruotsille olivat suomalaisia. Ruotsin suunnitelma tähän sotaan oli pidättää Venäjäläisiä kai yhdessä paikassa niin kaun että Ruotsista tulee lisäjoukkoja. Ruotsilla oli siis hyvä suunnitelma, mutta suunnitelman toteutus oli hirveä. Pahoin tapahtuma sodassa Ruotsille oli viaporin (Suomenlinnan) menettäminen. Venäjäläiset sotilaat soittivat rumpuja linnan edessä että Ruotsalaiset sotilaat eivät saisi unta ja ei voisi tapella. Näin viapori syrjääntyi Venäjälle. Hamiinan rauha tapahtui Haminassa, siellä sota loppui ja sitten sovittiin että raja Ruotsin ja Venäjän välillä vedettäisiin Tornion jokeen. Well, that was fun to write! Im not suprised if you didnt read the whole thing, ecpesially if you dont understand finnish.
swedish speaking finns are found quite lot in northern finland and northern sweden where there is a land border. She is chopping and changing between both during her dialogue.
The whole video is about SWEDISH speaking finns so, no, Dwayne shes not speaking finnish. Strictly speaking its "finlandssvenska" so swedish, not finnish XD
You should watch Mandelin's video of Moomin. In that video he speaks finnish instead of english but quite slowly so easier to listen. English subtitles.
Finland was Sweden's eastern part for about 600 years (800 years if you count since the "Crusades"). The Pope saw Finland as a Swedish missionary area already in 1120. But Swedes have also been settling the southwestern coast of Finland since the 800's. The nation Finland started emerging under Russian rule in the late 1800's, and declared independence from Russia 1917. This is the reason Sweden and Finland today are like siblings. We cooperate in most things. There are Swedes in Finland, and Finns in Sweden. I'm Swedish since birth. But my roots come from Tornedalen. Where my ancestors (a Swede from Stockholm and a Finn from Nyland) moved in the 1550's, when Gustav Vasa wanted the North colonized. Those 2 are one part of why I'm 46% Finnish today.
What does that mean? "Finland was Sweden's eastern part, not part of Sweden"? Dude. Finn's paid taxes for Sweden. Finn's were the ones who were your soldiers in wars. Finn's were the ones, who Sweden didn't want to speak anything else than swedish. But we were not part of Sweden? How is that? We only got the chance to be a demolarized region under Russian rule. At that time, we could speak Finnish freely, build our own defense forces and administration, and keep our own taxes. As ironic as it is, considering what kind of country Russia is anyway.
I'm just saying that Finland was Sweden's eastern part. The Finns were part of Sweden, paid taxes just like any other Swede ( Balt or German). Saying that Sweden didn't want you to speak anything else than Swedish is taking it a bit too far. If that was the case there would be no Finnish language after 800 years. There was no official policy that refused Finnish. It was discourage though, authorities used Swedish for example. You also have to remember that during that time German, Latin and French were the dominant languages of the Baltics. If you want to see how Sweden "Swedified" an area you can take a look at how they handled Scania in the 1600's. Finland was never treated the way the "Danes" were.
@@BerishStarr well I don't know how Danes were treated. I'm just saying that we were part of Sweden at that time. Even tho we didn't have any rights to decide about anything. But we didn't have that same autonomous status as we had under Russian rule. Which is interesting when you think about what kind of country Russia is. On the other hand, we know that Russia gave Finland autonomy only because they wanted us on their side and further away from Sweden. And this was the best way to succeed in that, because Finns cannot be forced into anything. So it was psykology game. And about that language position. There is very conflicting information about this, because the documents preserved by Finland from that time tell a very different story than the Swedish documents from that time. However, only the other had a reason to embellish things. But you are right that we are a nation of brothers and even though you swedes sometimes get on Finns' nerves, in the end we are and always will be by your side and support you in everything. 🇫🇮🤝🇸🇪
@@PataassaIn reality when Gustav Vasa turned into Lutheranism, Sweden forced the Finns read Finnish and Agricola to translate the Bible and create written Finnish. The written Finnish language is what Sweden forced Finns into. Even in Stockholm there was and still is a church for the Finnish speakers. The Finns have never been forced to speak Swedish, the exception being the Finnish population in Sweden after Finland and Sweden had become two separate countries.
@@sampohonkala4195 So you say that because of the fact that swedish king (Wasa) wanted Finn's who understood only Finnish start reading bible (because he wanted one religion and one lanquage) and he forced someone to write that in Finnish, it does it erase the fact that Finnish speakers were treated differently than Swedish speakers? I think they are two completely different things.
A number of people, including me, explained a lot about the phenomenon that is the "Finnish-Swedish" minority in Finland - in the previous video with her... She has spoken Swedish in all the videos you have watched from her, it is just that the dialect sounds more Finnish (but not really). If you heard a majority Finn (Finnish as mother language) try to speak Swedish it would sound very different to what is presented in the video. Instead of a melodic sound like in the video, it would be transformed into a series of coughs and unnatural "even-ness" (flat) sound to the pronunciation of each word.
Rephering to her in the video: we do have something called finlandismer in Finnish swedish. means we have borrowed words from Finnish to swedish and in these are word I would say Swede's mostly dont know what they mean, a little bit depending on that is there realtives in Finland or no
It's funny to me how many native English speakers (looking at you Brits and USA) are fascinated by bilingual people. Speaking only one language is rare, not the norm. It's also interesting to see that Dwayne can't tell Finnish and Swedish apart, considering how long he's been watching videos in both languages.
As far as I understand, 'finnish swedish' doesn't use pitch accent, so it would sound less melodical to you, and perhaps is the reason why you're mixing it up with finnish.
Well it was also the Grand Duchy of Finland for 108 years. We weren't independent, but we had such an extensive autonomy, it was very close to independence (at least between 1863 and 1899)
You seem to have trouble distinguishing Swedish from Finnish. If you hear the word Finland it's Swedish as Finland is Suomi in Finnish. And Sweden is Routsi in Finnish.
@@herrbonk3635 I've never heard of a swede that has problems distinguishing between Swedish and Finnish, Sounds strange to me. I can understand that Dwayne has but swedes, don't think so. I'm talking about the Finnish language not the language she is speaking. He thought she was speaking Finnish.
@@tonyxjr1956 The prosody is so similar so some swedes actually mistake it for Finnish, especially old people without perfect hearing. I've seen that many times.
She is speaking Swedish (and some English) but with a Finnish accent, she is most likely a decendant from Swedish people that moved to Finland during the years(1323 -1809) when Finland was a part of Sweden. (Yes that includes the Kalmar-union 1397-1523)
@@eveliinaniilivuo7329In theory, yes. However in the context of this video it is worth noticing that Stubb is a Swedish speaking Finn. Actually bilingual as his father speaks Swedish and mother Finnish. But he is a Swedish speaker first.
👩🏻🌾🏞️🌅🇫🇮 Hello, Dwayne! Let me see if I can make the distinction clear between the different citizen groups of Finland. I will have to simplify the matter a bit, because the reality is slightly more complicated. Okay. Here we go. This is the short version. You may have noticed, Dwayne, that Kat said (in Swedish) that she considers herself to be a Swedish-speaking (her mother tongue) FINLANDER, not a FINN. This lies at the heart of the matter. I'm a Swedish-speaking Finlander myself too, and I would never call myself a FINN, because a FINN is somebody who speaks Finnish as his or her mother tongue, first of all. In addition, a Finn considers himself or herself to be a FINN by heritage, customs and culture, has usually gone to a Finnish-language school, has Finnish-speaking friends and family, reads Finnish-language books etc. A FINN belongs to an 'ethnic' group called Finns. (Although DNA has shown that genetically the FINNS are not as homogenous as previously thought. So, the above distinguishes the FINNS from the Swedish-speaking FINLANDERS. The word FINLANDER means EVERYBODY living in Finland and is a general and very handy term to include all who are citizens of Finland or live here permanently, irrespective of their ethnic background. This useful word Finlander (Finländare in Swedish, and suomenmaalainen in Finnish) has unfortunately not really caught on neither among the Finns nor among the Swedes in Sweden). In Swedish, I say that I'm a finlandssvensk, that is, a Finland-Swede. The FINNS have translated that to suomenruotsalainen in Finnish. Any which way you say it, it's kind of clumsy. We have a problem with keeping the two words, FINN and FINLANDER apart when it comes to foreigners making or knowing the difference in meaning between them. Unfortunately, those who should know and make that distinction, namely the Swedes in Sweden, usually call us all FINNS, in Swedish, finne (in the singular), finnar in plural. They think purely of the population of Finland as a whole. But they are incorrect in calling us Finland-Swedes (or Swedish-speaking Finlanders) for FINNS. We just hope that they will learn to see the difference some day. This is how most of us call ourselves, although there are some that don't really care what they are being called. Evidently, they don't mind or don't see the distinction made by the words Finn and Finlander. So, call us whatever you like as long as you don't call us FINNS. Perhaps you may see the difference if you would be a proud Scot or an Irishman and foreigners would keep calling you English... I might add that we used to make up some 10% and more of the population in Finland, and contrary to what some Finns say our group is not diminishing in numbers. Not too far in the future we'll be as many as the entire population on Iceland - and they have their very own country. In 2017, we numbered some 290,000. The Finland-Swedes live along the southern and western coasts of Finland, in the archipelago and, of course, on the totally Swedish-speaking Åland Islands. The Finland-Swedes are not shrinking in numbers. It only appears so, because the Finnish inhabitants have become proportionally larger. As the capital, Helsinki still has a large proportion of Swedish-speakers and is therefore officially a bilingual city. Cities, towns and counties are officially designated as either only Finnish, only Swedish, or mixed with a majority of either one language. I have to add that the meanings of the words that I tried to explain are also the ones recommended by The Institute for the Languages of Finland.
I am one. Ostrobothnia region. We speak Swedish dialect. Even Swedes does not know we exist but some Swedes like when i was in Gothenburg does understand our dialect lol. However Närpes Swedish dialect can be more tricky.
We like to put "ligen" as a suffux, ie "gladeligen", "sorgeligen", and so on, so I don't really get what she means there. Hoppeligen is used in Sweden with the exact same meaning.
@@herrbonk3635 I agree that it's not common, but (most) people will understand. My dialect is primarily the Stockholm/Uppsala region, or Mälardalen, but I spent all my summers as a kid in the Gothenburg area and/or in Jämtland, and has now been living in Blekinge and Malmö for over 10 years, so I'm a bit all over the place
@@matshjalmarsson3008 Yes, most Swedes would probably be able to guess what it means. (I'm from Mälardalen-Roslagen too, but have never heard hoppeligen here.)
She is ethnically Finnish. She just speaks Swedish instead of Finnish because her parents taught her that as her mother lanquage. They have continued the tradition for probably hundreds and hundreds of years, ever since the time when Finland was part of Sweden. Finland was part of Sweden for about 600 years. At that time, Sweden tried to make / force all Finns speaking only swedish. For some people that worked, some not so well. From this time, however, Swedish-speaking Finns remained in Finland, who today make up about 5% of Finns. However, they are completely Finnish, only their mother lanquage is different from other Finns.
It is absolutely incorrect to say that Sweden tried to make all Finns speak Swedish. In reality when Gustav Vasa adopted Lutheranism, the decision forced Agricola to start translating the Bible into Finnish as Lutherans are supposed to be able to read the Bible. What followed was that the Finns were forced to learn to read Finnish, as you were not allowed to marry without that skill. However, the upper education in Finland was in the majority language of Sweden, Swedish. Therefore If you wanted to study in University you had to learn Swedish. But that was really a very small minority of the people.
@@sampohonkala4195 Kustaa Wasa had motto: one religion and one lanquage. And that lanquage was swedish in Sweden and in Finland. Nobody killed because of Finnish lanquage. But speaking Finnish ment that you had worst works, you had to pay more taxes and so on. So is that not forcing? You don't get the same rights in your own homeland that other Finn's who has took swedish as their speaking lanquage does? I think it kind of is. ruclips.net/video/1lzLk6XtjCQ/видео.htmlsi=MrXwM97ut_OgHjY4
@@Pataassa Simply not true. The Finns were ruled by exactly the same law as the Swedes. Finns just like Swedes were farmers that owned their farms and few people had any other work than agriculture. There is no reason to think Finns paid more taxes.
@@sampohonkala4195 Tämä on suoraan Wikipediasta: Brahelle, että smoolantilaisena hän oli "tässä maassa muukalainen" ja sanoi surevansa "sitä hetkeä, jolloin hän tuli tähän maahan". Västmanlandin rykmentissä Suomen sodassa vuonna 1808 palvellut vänrikki Carl Johan Ljunggren kuvaili rannikon ruotsinkielisten muistuttaneen paljon Ruotsin rahvasta, mutta sisämaan talonpoikien olleen ulkonäöltään vastenmielisiä ja juroja. Heillä oli päässään kalottimainen lakki ja jaloissaan punaiset säärystimet ja jalkineina oli pieksuiksi nimitetyt kengät. Heidän ihonsa oli savupirttien likaamana likaisenruskea ja he puhuivat "käsittämätöntä siansaksaa". And same in English: This is straight to Wikipedia: Brahe that as a Småland he was "a stranger in this country" and said he mourned "the moment he came to this country". Lieutenant Carl Johan Ljunggren, who served in the Västmanland regiment in the Finnish war in 1808, described that the Swedish-speakers of the coast resembled the people of Sweden a lot, but that the peasants of the interior were repulsive and rude in appearance. They had a helmet-like cap on their heads and red leggings on their feet and shoes called pieks. Their skin was dirty brown, stained with cigarette butts, and they spoke "unintelligible slang". Does that sound like Finnish speakers was treated same as swedish speakers? And that is just one story that I found fast for Wikipedia.
@@Pataassa Actually I am aware of a multitude of descriptions of the Finns written by the Swedish, Swedish speakers and people from other countries. I have translated and published such descriptions into Finnish by Augustin Ehrensvärd, Carl Gustaf Ramsay, Emil Nervander and started the one by Ehrström, which was later translated by others. If you widen your knowledge beyond random stories in Wikipedia, you will notice that although Finnish speakers were seen somewhat exotic, disrespect is extremely rare. Especially Ramsay (KIA in the battle of Lapua 1809) was genuinely interested in the Finnish customs and fashion. The tone changes towards the end of the 1800's when Finland was a Grand Duchy and the former majority language Swedish had become a minority language in Finland. This culminated in the language battles and the attempt to prove that the Swedish speakers were somehow superior, to give a reason for upper education and government to remain primarily functioning in Swedish.
"A little" accent from Helsinki? 🤔😂 Hm. I find it to be a lot like "riks-finlands-svenska"... My accent used to be much "rougher" on the edges, and perharps a little bit slower when I lived i Österbotten as a child. The real "riks-svenska" dialect can be found on the finnish side actually... Like a bit south to Vaasa if I'm not remembering wrong. But that came out of an idea of how the language has been preserved (or NOT progressed) since Finland was a part of Sweden. Most people today think that the real "riks-svenska" (average-swedish) is a dialect that is found just north of Nyköping.
I read an article quite a long time ago that there is only one single municipality/commune (cannot remember the name) in the world where 100% of the inhabitants have Swedish as their maternal language and it is situated in Finland (not Sweden) I don't know if this is still the case . . .
4:24 Yeah, well, it makes sense that Swedish has variations on dialect too. 🤔 As we have different dialects in Finland well. For example, you as British person are most likely able to distinguish some of the different British dialects, knowing that their accent/dialect is certain kind and thus are most likely from that certain area etc. Well we also have different dialects in Finnish language. (I really don't know about them that much, but to say some examples:) Minä, Mie, Miä, Mää, Mä These all words mean the same as the word *I* in English. But as for the, 'correct' kirjakieli = '(I'm just going to call it 'proper, written Finnis' because I don't know better word/correct term here.) Finnish that is recognized as the form that is to be used in public documents, news and all that, the word minä is the word to use.
You were really confused by that clip. But since you found it "really interesting" I suggest you watch it again to really understand what she's saying. She explains it really well. Actually, it seems like you misunderstood the most important of the concept. - Namely that she is Finnish, living in Finland. But. She speaks swedish.
When following subtitles, it is difficult if the speaker is speaking too fast. But yes, I know she's a Finnish person who speaks Swedish. It's in the title of the video. Her explanation, however, was difficult to follow with subtitles. I won't be watching again. I got the premise of the video.
Actually, I think she is speaking a bit slowly in swedish 😜 she pronounces the words more so they sound a bit harsh and the words are very melodic with the finnish dialect 🤗 / from a swede living at "västkusten" the West Coast ☀️
She is not speaking Swedish-Finnish she is speaking "Högsvenska"... Directly translated has "High Swedish". Its the proper way to speak it without accent actually from old days. As Swedes themselves would speak it when their king went about on his conquering escapades through Poland and Russia. In St. Petersburg today you can find still some Swedish speaking ppl due to the now ancient occupation. Same as in the Baltic countries.
Its a bit complicated to explain.. but now a day Finnland was the eastearn part of Sweden for at least 700 years! Soo.. for 700 years swedish become the administartive language/the language of the elit! But altso by swedish setlers in the south of finnland and on the west coast! Or they got abducted first and have to learn swedish to survive.. you know, be christians and swear allegiance to the swedish king!? In anyway.. Finish-Swedish.. or rather east swedish is one of the best swedish dialects.. they still pronunce all the letters.. and sometime use older swedish words! Its altso cald "Moomin swedish"! And there is one caveat.. at Åland.. they only speak swedish.. becuse its habiatated by swedes and is closer to Stockholm/Uppland then to finnland! However.. there is a UK guy on youtube, that moved to Finnland for love, to find that she was a finn-swed in a swedish speaking area and her parents speak swedish at home! So now he need to learn two extra languages!😄
most rote back to past wars and Finland was a part of Sweden and in some part of the country it was mandatory to speak Swedish. Sorry is to mutch go in to here it easier to look it up.
Well she speaks Swedish that is easy to understand. In my home city the "Swedish" is horrible. Regular Swede wouldn´t understand that or if, only some words form here and there. I understand a little bit, but that is very different than the Swedish we had to learn in school.
Därför hon pratar "Högsvenska". Inte Finlandssvenska. Kan du förstå om ja skriver på: Eje vise om et ji en vatuschvensk? vannifroan ji tu et då? har et nain tjelg då el bara skotar ett runt å drar na härvor? ;)
@@SteamboatW I have a lof ot Swedish relatives, and grew up in a Finnish town where most people are Swedish speaking Finns, and in my experience Swedish speaking Finns absolutely speak slower. But I suppose it might depend on which finlandssvensk dialect you are used to. I grew up on the west coast in Ostrobothnia.
You wondered of two spoken languages? And u live in US? Most of the southern people there speak spanish. About that 'dialekt'. Yes in 'deep south' and Texas have different style to talk than in NewYork or in Cali. Swizerland have three different official languages italy, german and france. Nowday here in Finland there are many more russian and arabian speaking people than swedish :) The world changes. For people who says that swedish talking finns comes from sweden. Thats not so easy to jude it that way. For 600 years ago ther came maybe some swedes ordered by the swedish king. Not a hole nation :D They put finns to talk swedish. But there is a little throuth. When first people came to here in the begining. Some people came from russia and from the other side same time there came people from sweden. But that was much much before any swedish king was even found. The samis was here first. Like Indians in US. White people pushed them up north. My both parents speak swedish as motherlanguage either have eny root from Sweden. We have some roots from north-east of Finland, Carelia/Kainuu. I speak both. Better finish. Soon here will not be anymore of that swedish era left. Maybe in Ostrobotnia (middle-west part) what can have only swedish talking villages.
Maby you need to understand "the mumin" aswell? For me, as a Swede, I DO NOT find the finns as outlanders. We are connected. As norway, danmark and before island. Island became more distant after like 1995??
As a Swede it’s very difficult to visit finland cuz I feel like 50% understand swedish and 50% don’t understand a word so I never know if I should start a conversation in swedish or english😅
2:25 It is because she is: a) dodging a bullet b) it is very complicated, and there has been a lot of attempts to rewrite the history of Swedish rule and Russian rule, not only to white wash history (both for Sweden and for Russia, as well as to sometimes to make them worse or black/white than they were), but also to push personal interests (like few "historians" who have written fictional versions of Finnish history to make their own family look better). c) there are still a lot of bitter Finns who hate Finnish-Swedes since they are the ancestors of the filthy rich Swedish ruling class from the ancient days of Sweden's colonization of Finland. Also, it doesn't help that most Finnish-Swedes are still indeed much wealthier, better educated and more posh than normal Finns. But just to iterate, it is just mostly jealous bigotry based on stuff that happened hundreds of years ago d) there has been a rise in Finnish far-right Nationalists that have been trying to push forward really ridiculous theories about Finnish history, origins and Sweden's role with Finland. So dodging this question altogether, can skip some of those ridiculous arguments in the comments 2:45 She is speaking Swedish (as pointed out by others) but she is actually speaking rather "slowish" and taking time to articulate things so well, even I can understand her (and my Swedish is rubbish) 7:13 It truly matters a lot. When I am at my Ullanlinna apartment in Helsinki, I hear Swedish almost more than Finnish and street signs are written in Swedish and Finnish, however, when I am in my Rovaniemi apartment in Lapland, I never hear or see any Swedish at all. I've lived the majority of my life in Lapland, and I think I have heard Swedish spoken only once or twice there. Even Swedish tourists use just English, since most people in Lapland speak so poor Swedish compared to their English, using Swedish there makes no sense
If you would listen to Mark Levengood. You would hear that he's speakning in the same way as this girl did in this video. She's NOT speak finnish in this video. THIS IS the way how the Finlandssvenska // Finnish swedish is. And they often do speak a bit faster as well.
A curiosity: The eastermost part of Finland where a substantial portion of the population speaks swedish is a small town on the south coast called Lovisa. Someone told me that they used to have a strange swedish accent, with rolling "r", down in the throat, like in american english. I don´t know if they still talkes this way. But if so, it would be the only swedish dialect with this sound. In fact, although the swedish speakers are just 5.4 % of the population, there are big differences in accent. When me and my finnish born wife was walking around in Vasa (or Vaasa in finnish) I heard a strange language that I presumed was icelandic. It was spoken on a café by a group of people around 30 years old, men and women. Surprised I said to my wife: "Icelanders? What are they doing in Vasa?" "That language was not icelandic", my wife replied, "I guess it was a bunch of rural people from Oravais or another village here in Ostrobothnia were people speaks swedish". "I didn´t understand a word of that", I said. "Well, these people were quite young", my wife said, "you should listen to very old folks here i Ostrobothnia, THAT is a real challenge to understand".
Her "standard Fenno-Swedish" is more mutually intelligible with "rikssvenska" than it is with some other Fenno-Swedish dialects. Dialekte från miin region påminde meir om norrländsk dialekte. Di föstar no va man seir men ibland kanski man måst uppreip na gangor ele sej e på na ader sätt. Märks bäst i militärn tå nylänninga o österbottninga e på sama plats.
official name: fennoswedish, also id say as a rule, if youre a swedish speaking finn from southern finland, you know finnish well, if youre from western finland (the only 2 areas with any significant amount of fennoswedes), your finnish is gonna be a lot worse because most towns have a majority swedish speakers and you dont "need" to learn finnish and you dont come in contact with it really
Even I, who am from Vasa, speak very poor Finnish. Here we're only about 24% who are Swedish speakers, but we still can get by practically perfectly without Finnish
Svenskar, Finnar, Finlandssvenskar, Sverigefinnar... Svenskar speaks Swedish, Finnar speaks Finnish, Finlandssvenskar are Finns that speaks Swedish, Sverigefinnar are Finns or Swedes (with Finnish roots) that speaks Finnish and live in Sweden.
We love our Finnish neighbours, Love from Sweden
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Most of my friends seem to disagree with me, but i love my Swedish neighbours🇫🇮🇸🇪
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Thank you, Patrik! Right back at you!
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@@satumattinen715 I am 50/50 swedish/fin and grew up with alooot of people who are 50% finnish here in suburbs of Stockholm.
I think the "hate" between us mostly comes from finnish people, becuse people are very supportive of finnish achievments etc here lol. We even cheer you on if got eliminated in the hockey tournament.
Cant speak for other places in Sweden tho.
@@satumattinen715 I think that since the war broke out in Ukraine, we in the north countries stick together more than ever
She’s speaking Swedish here, not Finnish😂 As she said, she’s a Swedish-speaking Finn
@soph6094 Correction: No, she did Not say that she's a Swedish-speaking FINN, she said that she's a Swedish-speaking FINLANDER (finländare).
Please see my comment.
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Both my parents are Swedish speaking, so I'm a Swedish speaking Finn. My wife speaks only Finnish so we communicate in Finnish, but our child is bi-lingual. I speak Swedish with him, my wife speaks Finnish.
And she speaks in swedish there... I like that fact that we have two official languages and also samish language have samae status in there areas where sami people live in, also so many accents even in finnish tribes.
I'm a swedish speaking finn from Helsinki and both of my parents speak swedish at home but some of my friends speak finnish with one parent and swedish with another. What she said about different accents in different parts of the country is true, the most unique finlandssvenska is found in Närpes.
There are Finns in Finland who's native language is Swedish, and there are Swedes in Sweden who's native language is Finnish. In both countries we have Sami who's native language is Sami. Then there's Swedes in mostly Tornedalen that speaks Meänkeli, which is a finnic language very closely related to Finnish.
All this because todays Sweden and Finland originally were one country that was split in two through the middle.
No, not originally. There are historical mentions of ”land of the finns” before the swedish takeover/occupation.
@@wdvnge And which were those lands? Was that before or after they occupied/took over Sweden?
@@wdvnge That's a misconception.The early medieval nation of Sweden originated in the trading area along the coastal areas of the Baltic Sea and along Mälaren. Finns were proper citizens of the Kingdom of Sweden. To call it an occupation is like saying Russia is occupying St. Petersburg because the swamp there used to be Swedish.
Fun fact: Finland was a part of Sweden for several hundred years longer than the southern provinces of contemporary Sweden.
When I went to Sweden for one term/semester as a Swedish-speaking Finn exchange student, I found myself in a sort of limbo. I was the only international student to attend classes in Swedish because it's my mother tongue (duh), all the other exchange students had their classes in English. I never sounded Sweden-Swedish enough to blend in seamlessly with the rest of my class, and since Swedish was my native language I wasn't "foreign enough" to really blend in with the other international students that had come there from farther away. It was a weird experience. I also remember when applying for a library card, the librarian immediately pointed me to their very limited Finnish book section. It was an unknown concept for most Swedes I met that I actually spoke Swedish as my first language, and everyone thought I had a Finnish accent when in fact it was Finland-Swedish. The teacher during my first class actually asked if I understood everything he said in Swedish and that if he should switch to English instead. In many cases, I actually spoke better Swedish grammatically than my Swedish classmates.
So sorry that your study time did not go as you imagined. I myself discovered at the age of 30 that I didn't really know who I was. My friends suddenly asked if I'm Swedish or Finnish. I was born in Sweden to Finnish parents. I stopped speaking Finnish around the age of four/five. My parents have always spoken Finnish to me and I have answered in Swedish. When I got the question from my friends, I was partly caught off guard and partly I realized that I hadn't thought about and gained insight into my nationality. I remember that it was mostly my friends who divided back and forth what I could possibly be. For many years I felt that I was in some kind of no man's land, today I see myself as a Swede with Finnish blood which gives me an extra wealth and an ability to look at things more easily from more angles. Wonderful to have another homeland to relate to in different ways during the course of life. Among the absolute most beautiful of my memories are the long summer holidays on my grandparents' farm in central Finland, sweet memories.
It's definitely a case of being in a limbo. Too "Swedish" in Finland, too "Finnish" in Sweden. However, at least in Sweden I don't have to answer questions about how many relatives I have in Sweden (none, to my knowledge) and listen to people that think they are funny when speaking some jibberish that sounds Swedish-esque. I'm literally at the point that I'll punch the next person that uses words like "skaggaböle" in a sentence and expect a laugh in return. It would be like me saying shit like "yksi kaksi shampoolainen kolmisoppi" to be "funny" to them.
Famous Swedish speaking Finns: the president of Finland Alexander Stubb. Actually he is bilingual. Or almost a polyglot; speaks also English, German and French.
new Finn here 💙 I don’t know if you have already reacted to this but ’Singles guide to Finland’ by Dating Beyond Boarders could be an interesting watch! your perspectives are great 🤝 keep them videos coming!
I have been watching a lot of your videos, and yes, I am a Swedish speaking Finn too as she is. And as she said, it is very easy for us to recognize from what part of the country the person are if you talk with a stranger that are also a Swedish speaking Finn, the dialect is pretty different in the Vasa region from Helsinki/Turku.
My mom is from a Swedish speaking Finnish family, although she grew up bilingual due to speaking Finnish with her friends. My dad was from a strictly Finnish speaking family. We grew up bilingual as most Swedish speaking Finns do. In our case we spoke Finnish with my dad and his relatives, Swedish with my mom and her relatives. We went to Swedish speaking schools in Helsinki. My youngest sibling is 17 years younger than I and when they moved to the countryside when she was 11 she switched to a Finnish speaking school as they were no Swedish language schools nearby. My siblings are both married to Finns from Finnish speaking families and are raising their kids bilingual he same way we were raised.
She spoke zero finnish dwayne, just like the last video
That's true, but she *sounds* very Finnish indeed, especially to an outsider like Dwayne.
@@herrbonk3635 even as a sweedish speaking finn she sounds rly finnish!😅
@@eveliinaniilivuo7329 Yeah, but some Finns deny any connection between Finnish and Finland Swedish prosodies. (I had a long discussion with one of them last week.)
@@herrbonk3635 This finn doesnt obviously finnis affects the swedish dialect spoken here. In fact when i compare norwegians who live in the north and norwegians of the south, northern norwegian tone of speaking sounds a lot like finnish - southern really does not. Lot of finns has moved to northern norway trhoughout couple of centuries, one would think is has had an effect no the dialect too.
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Actually, there is a Nobel prize winner that is a finn-swede. His name is Ragnar Granit and he got the medicine prize 1967.
I have been told that he is a distant relative to me and I have never met him.
Otherwise, most of the Finnish swedish speaking areas is located on the west coast around city of Vasa and around the southwest part near Åbo (Turku) including mpst of the archipelago stretching to the island of Åland. My fathrrs mother lived her whole life in the archipelago without knowing any finish. Think it was quite common in her generation and before. She was born in the 1920s.
My father moved to Sweden after his education in Vasa, in the earl 1960s. I still have a lot of relatives along the archipelago and we have a house that my late father built.
I really enjoy listening to the finnas swedish dialekt.
Proud to be a Finn-Swede 🇫🇮⚡️🇸🇪
We've got a Finnish speaking minority in Sweden as well up in the north. My grandmother from Tornedalen was a native speaker of Tornedalean Finnish which is called Meänkieli.
Technically speaking, I think Meänkieli is considered a separate language from Finnish in Sweden, but from a linguistic viewpoint, it's a regional dialect of Finnish with a little larger amount of Swedish loanwords than dialects in Finland.
My family is Finland-swedish or as it is called Swedish speaking Finns. We come from the Turku and archipelago area. I live now on the the Åland islands which are an autonomous region in Finland and have only Swedish as their official language. When I moved here from the mainland I had to adapt my language because they don't use the Finnish words I normally mix into my Swedish. The dialect is a bit different but still many words here are similar to Finland Swedish. There was always a closer contact to Sweden here. 🇦🇽
She said it pretty well at the beginning of the video. Finlandssvenska is a version of Svenska (Swedish) not spoken in Sweden, but in Finland. Just like American English is a version of English not spoken in England, but in the US.
I'm not a Swedish speaking Finn, I'm a Swedish speaking Swede btw, but I understood everything she said because it is the same language, just different dialects.
She speaks Swedish - Finlandswedish :) I'm one too, I speak a dialect :) Greetings from Finland
It's sad that so many Swedes today don't know Swedish history and are surprised when people from Finland speak Swedish (finlandssvenska) as their mother tongue. To be fair, many Finns, especially young ones, don't know Finnish history very well either. Unfortunately there are less compulsory history courses in Finnish schools today than back in my day 30 years ago. History is important in order to understand why the world is the way it is.
I’m not Swedish Finnish but have relatives that you can say are. I’m Swedish but my grandma’s brother is a Finnish war child who came with his younger brother to Sweden during the Finnish civil war. They got split up and Yrjö was placed with my grandma in Falun. He didn’t speak the language and when the war was over and he was forced to move back (he wanted to stay) he couldn’t speak with his family since he’d forgotten Finnish. Now he speaks both fluently, he and his wife switch seamlessly when speaking to us. I think it’s basically the same for us Nordic countries with our native language and English, I choose to think in English to keep up my proficiency now that I don’t live abroad anymore.
Sweden was a big Power between 1611-1718. Sweden had part of Norway and all of Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and part of Russia. Since then the people living at the coast of Finland speaks swedish. We also have people living along the Torne River in Sweden that speak a finnish dialect called Meänkieli.
You need to add a couple of hundred years there for Finland. Swedish immigration/colonization of coast of Finland began in earnest in the middle of the 13th century.
Wow, she is a beautiful "charmtroll" 🥰 I love the Finnish/Swedish accent.
You asked us what we Finlandssvenskar speak, well... We have this saying: "Some speak what they can, and some speak what they want" 😉 (Because when you speak 3+ languages, you speak what you want... I speak 5. And yes we switch between them midsentence if we feel like).
The history is, that Finland was an eastern part of Sweden from 1100's till 1807, when Russia invaded and captured eastern Sweden. So that's why swedish was the administrative language in Finland and most of the officials were send from Sweden to govern the eastern part of imperium. That's how swedish speakers came as a ruling minority in Finland for 700 years. Also for higher education a finn must learn swedish to get into University. That's how also some people of finnish origin got to rise into the swedish speaking minority. Even under Russian rule swedish kept it's status as a administrative language close to 1900's till finns started to demand for University teach in finnish.
Basicly as English has replaced Irish and Scottish, Swedish muted the Finnish language. And since Finland came intependent 1917 it has been bi-lingual by law.
100% Correct. Its all documented. Swedes even built protestant churches here as to quell the local population. Because what better than religion back in those days. And the language was of course Swedish.
And yes you are 100% correct as well, since 1917 it has been bi-lingual. My grandfather born in Finland and Finnish citizen all his life, fought in the second world war for Finland. Never spoke a word of Finnish. Swedish dialect.
Finnish calls us "hurries".
I am Finland's svensk and at home we spoke swedish. My grandmother was totally Finnish and she took care of me quite a lot when I was a child, which means I also learned Finnish before entering Swedish speaking school. Nowadays the younger generation (borned after 2000) attend to mix Finnish and swedish in a way I think sounds absolutely terrible 😁 and I would say it's rather common especially around the Helsinki area..
i know what you mean because my brothers children speak finnish with their mothers and swedish with my brothers they switch direcly and i think that is impressiv
My paternal grandfather was a Swedish only speaking Finn and moved over to Sweden as very young(Russians attacking Finland) in the early 1900's. He was born in Ekenäs south of Helsingfors(he taught me I was not allowed to use the Finnish name as it was a Swedish town in his eyes). So I have some Finnish in me even though they themselves actually never saw themselves as Finns.
My father in law came from Åland (the island between Sweden and Finland) and spoke finnish-swedish. They, as I understand, prefer to speak only Swedish, watch Swedish TV, often go to Swedish uni etc. (I applied for a job there once).
For nearly 700 years - from sometime in the 12th century to 1809 - Sweden and Finland were the same country
unclear when it started, but people have not been occupied for 700 years. However, Russia occupied Finland when the Swedes lost the war against Russia
Correct, there never was a country before they become one, with Sweden. They were a natural part of Sweden.
This is the issue. Sweden and Finland were the same country.. They didn't "move" to Finland from modern day Sweden as Finland didn't exist but as a province of Sweden. And by Finns that originally meant Swedish speaking people from the "Province of Finland". Our peoples are ethnically mixed with each others long before there even was a concept of countries.
Hello! I’m a finnswede 🥳 I’m sadly very bad at the finnish language, I’ve lived in Finland my whole life.
Must add Gustaf Mannerheim to names of extremely important FinlandsSvenskar without him Finland as a country would probably not exist. Also noteworthy is that Finlands current president Alexander Stubb is FinlandsSvensk. There’s also a FinlandsSvensk special-status region between Finland and Sweden called Åland 🇦🇽with is own rather autonomous governance with it’s own Parliament much like Scotland in the UK. They have their own seat on the Nordic Council and special status within the EU with regards to taxes. 🇸🇪❤️🇦🇽
As a Swede, I consider her “dialect” to be the absolute finest. Hoppeligen - I'll start using!
(Dwayne... now you've made a mess of everything. Haven't you studied Swedish/Finnish several times?)
She speaks Swedish (Finlandssvenska) but I think her speed of speaking is very normal. Like a basic conversation speed.
Sweden-Finland (Finnish: Ruotsi-Suomi) is a name sometimes used in the 20th century for Sweden during the era from the 13th century to the end of the Finnish War in 1809, when Sweden also included the area that is today independent Finland.
Sverigefinnar, the reverse, is also a thing. And, for extra credit, sverigefinlandssvenskar.
I can, usually, clearly hear the difference a Swedish speaking Finn (finlandssvensk) och a Finn speaking Swedish as a second language. To me the ”finlandssvenska” dialect and melody is very distinct and recognisable. And I can, easily, recognize if a person has a finnish accent when speaking Swedish (i e is not ”finladssvensk” but finnish). The word chocolate, for instance. In Swedish you would pronounce it (slight variations, of course, depending which dialect you have: choklad/sjoklad/schoklad. But a Finn who is speaking Swedish as a foreign language usually says: soklat. I have a colleague who is a Swedish speaking Finn (in her early 60’s) and she was born in Finland and grew up there, but doesn’t know Finnish. And I have another colleague who is a native Finnish speaker (mid 60’s) and who has lived in Sweden for at least 30 years and you can hear that she is speaking Swedish, as a second language, and with a Finnish accent.
I'm form Estonia and I've been using Duolingo to learn Swedish. It's really hard to understand when Swedes speak but finlandssvenska is much easier to understand. Their pronunciation sounds more clear and normal.
She looks like a Swedish babe, broad Finnish accent in her Swedish that I place somewhere in Helsinki 1925. Proud to be a Finnish, mastering swedish, even English, German and somewhat Italian. Jajamensan!❤🎉
That is NOT a Finnish accent in Swedish... It's her dialect.
She is not much for history, Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim was also a Swedish speaking Finn. He lead the white side in the Civil war against the communist in Finland and later Finland through WW2 and managed to keep it' independent.
Not only that. He is one of the (if not THE) most influential Finns of all time.
That was my first thought after she concluded her title list. Hey was considered the “Finn of the (20th) Century,” being simultaneously both the most loved and hated (by Finns) Finn. Hw was from an aristocratic family with branches in both Finland and Sweden, and at one time I believe, before Finnish independence, served in the Russian military.
@@fordhouse8bhe was indeed an outspoken loyal subject of the Tsar and part of their military/aristocratic elite.
In "highest up" northern Sweden they speak finnish as much as swedish. We have moved all over the place through history. I think the finns are our closest "sibling". At least in my opinion. Not by distans but by blood. In Skåne, southern sweden, they may feel more connected with Denmark but over all in Sweden, our loyalty will extend most to Finland I think. 🇸🇪❤🇫🇮
Looks-wise the Norwegians is probably the closest but they kinda detest us. Sooo...that's a thing. Can't blame them really.
At least lately 🫣😳😂
I'm finnish speaking Finn, so it's my mother tongue but since swedish is one of the official languages I'm fairly fluent in swedish language too. Every finnish speaker must learn swedish at school. Again depending which part of the country you are from defines if you're going to need the swedish language or not. Some people love the swedish language, some are not so keen to study it.
I am "både och", that is Swedish meaning "both and/of", so I am born and raised Finnish person, and my father was a Swedish mother language person and my Mother a Finnish mother language person, so I learned both languages in my home as a young child. And as a Bonus, that most Finnish mother language persons do not understand (they hate to be forced to learn Swedish in school, used to be in my school years starting from year/grade 3 onwards forced to learn Swedish and English year/grade 6) - Once you know how to speak Swedish, the learning, speaking and pronouncing English is a child's play, since English is the same language family with Sweden and Finland is not and is totally light years a way from either English or Swedish. So be smart. make life easier for you and learn Swedish when it will be taught in the school and you learn roughly half of English language the same time and with the same effort..
I am from the South of Finland and I am swedish speaking although I can speek finnish.
Aderton d-juur borrar borrhål.
That's one of the things sounding strange to swedes we say arton but they aderton.
Then the pronounced d's where swedes just say jur. I'm not sure about the b's and p's so I just put it in.
I am Finlandssvensk. I am from a city in Ostrobothnia (which is a majority Swedish speaking region in Finland), where the dialects are very archaic and are often difficult to understand for Swedes and possibly Swedish speakers from the south of Finland. My entire family and all my friends speak Swedish, and I practically never need Finnish in my day-to-day life (other than in for example Finnish class in school). I've studied it 11-12 years in school, but can only hold very basic conversations as my vocabulary is very small and grammar isn't that good.
Some of us Finland/Fenno-Swedes (Finlandssvenskar) have Swedish ancestry, and some have Finnish. Back in the day Finns used to "Swedify" their names and started speaking Swedish, as that was the languages of administration and higher education.
Personally most of my ancestors (that I know of) were Swedes who migrated to Ostrobothnia between the 1300s and 1600s, and have stayed here until today. I do a few Finnish ancestors from the region "Southern Ostrobothnia", who swedified their names and started speaking Swedish.
In Ostrobothnia it's common to have mostly Swedish ancestry, while on the south coast it's more common to have Finnish ancestors who switched to Swedish. At least as far as I'm aware.
I'd say I'm firstly Finland-Swedish and secondly Finnish. I'm very proud of my heritage and culture (which is heavily influenced by Swedish culture), but will still root for Finland over Sweden any day of the week :)
I (a Swedish-American dual citizen) had a Finnish roommate in college (in the US). He was studying for his master’s degree in political science. He was from a formerly Fenno-Swedish family which had some time ago changed their last name to a Finish one, and switched to speaking primarily Finnish. From what I remember him telling me, this had happened a pretty long while back, during the period of Finnish National Romanticism. So he and his family were Finnish speakers, but he spoke Swedish fluently, which was one of the reason we ended up swapping our roommates, and sharing a dorm room my second freshman semester, when I had only lived in the US for a couple of years. Thanks to him I was able to go to bars when I was 19, using one of his IDs. Even though we entered bars together with two different IDs with the same name and photo, the doormen almost never said anything. That wouldn’t happen in the US now, but 1990 was a different era. (some )Finland-Swedish ones are in my opinion among the most beautiful Swedish dialects. The dialect of this girl wasn’t it. To my ears her dialect sounds more to me like Swedish with a Finnish accent. Nothing particularly wrong with that I suppose. The one example I can think of is the actress Stina Ekblad, who I primarily remember from portraying Ismael in Fanny and Alexander.
@@fordhouse8b From what I've seen in interviews online Stina Ekblad speaks standard Finland-Swedish with some Sweden swedish influence, probably due to having maybe been long in Sweden. She is originally from Solf, a village in Korsholm, Ostrobothnia (where my mom, grandma, great grandma etc. are from). Her real dialect from the village she was born in is way different to that of the dialect she speaks in the interviews on Swedish TV.
@@Cronin_ I suppose it isn’t surprising that her accent has changed over time. My own English accent has changed since I returned to the US as a teenager. It even changed enough that people commented on it when I returned for Christmas break after my first semester in college. And that was just from living in a different part of the same US state for a few months.
@@fordhouse8b I read that she speaks "Högsvenska", aka Standard Finland-Swedish (basically a neutral Finland-Swedish dialect that doesn't use any Finland-Swedish words) when speaking in the media, but switches to her native dialect when she returns home to Solf to visit. Many Finland-Swedes are the same way, by speaking Högsvenska with others and immediately switching to their dialect when speaking with others who speak the same dialect
Fun Historic fact regarding famous Finnish Swedes:
-Karin Månsdotter, Queen of Sweden year 1568, was married with Sweden's King Erik XIV.
-They were both imprisoned in Sweden after an uprising.
-In 1573, Karin and their joint children were moved to Turku (Åbo) Castle, in what was then eastern Sweden (today western Finland).
-After Erik's death, in prison in Sweden, 1577, Karin was released.
-She got a manor, Liuksiala Kungsgård in Tavastehus county, outside Turku (Åbo), where she lived until her death in 1612.
-We, Finns and Swedes, share the same royal history and other history for 600 years. From, among the time when we were the same country.
-Karin Månsdotter became a very respected person in Turku (Åbo) and the surrounding area and is buried in Turku (Åbo) Cathedral.
-In Turku (Åbo), Swedish still are used in public a lot, besides Finnish. And in a number of municipalities neighboring Turku (Åbo), Swedish is still the majority language among the population.
Thanks for very interesting episode Dwayne.
I ll copy wiki for you here so no need to look up :
"In the 19th century Johan Vilhelm Snellman and others began to stress the need to improve the status of Finnish. Ever since the days of Mikael Agricola, written Finnish had been used almost exclusively in religious contexts, but now Snellman's Hegelian nationalistic ideas of Finnish as a fully-fledged national language gained considerable support. Concerted efforts were made to improve the status of the language and to modernize it, and by the end of the century Finnish had become a language of administration, journalism, literature, and science in Finland, along with Swedish. "
This is one of several reasons why their is a different relationship between Sweden and Finland and Sweden and the other nordic countries. When Sweden joined the EU and much later NATO we first talked to the Finnish government. When Sweden gets a new government they first have meetings with the Finnish government before talking to any other nations government. Sweden has a deeper military cooperation with Finland than with any other nation. Sweden and Finland was the same country for nearly 700 years. So it is lot of history between our 2 countries/peoples . When I was young it was a swedish man in politics that commented on Swedens relationship with the nordic countries and said that if you need to row a boat cross the baltic sea you do not ask any other than the finns if they also need to make that trip becouse you know that if the finns want to do it then they will not focus on who sits in the front or the back of the boat or on wich side, left or right, but they will focus on doing what it takes to get the job done. This ofcourse was not a comment about rowing a boat cross the baltic sea but about mentality. We know the Finns.
And that is probably what is called the Finnish SISU.
She is speaking swedish dwayne! I know many people have already commented about that, but please like- 😢😢
Also, the reason many people in Finland speak swedish and many people in Sweden speak finnish is probably related to the finnish war of 1808-1809 where Russia attacked Finland which was at the time still owned by Sweden. The order after the war was over was put in the tornion joki, so on the other side of the river you might have a cousin that still lived in Sweden while you were now in Russia.
I am still in school, so i dont know all about history, but i can tell you more in finnish even if you dont speak or understand it.
Venäjän keisari Aleksanteri antoi Suomelle autonomian koska jos suomalaiset kapinoisivat se ei loppuisi hyvin hänelle. Tämä sota alkoi siitä että Napoleon, hyvin tiedetty Ranskan keisari halusi valloittaa Ison-Britannian joten hän halusi laittaa sen kauppasaartoon. Ranska teki sopimuksen Venäjän kanssa (Tilsitin sopimus) eli Venäjän piti saada Ruotsi suostumaan kauppasaartoon. Venäjä sai käyttää mitää vaan taktiikkaa tähän, kunhan se saisi Ruotsin suostumaan kauppasaartoon. Venäjä hyökkäsi Ruotsin omistamaan Suomeen, tämä sota siis on nimetty Suomen sodaksi koska se käytiin Suomen alueella. Melkein kaikki sotilaat jotka taistelivat tässä sodassa Ruotsille olivat suomalaisia. Ruotsin suunnitelma tähän sotaan oli pidättää Venäjäläisiä kai yhdessä paikassa niin kaun että Ruotsista tulee lisäjoukkoja. Ruotsilla oli siis hyvä suunnitelma, mutta suunnitelman toteutus oli hirveä. Pahoin tapahtuma sodassa Ruotsille oli viaporin (Suomenlinnan) menettäminen. Venäjäläiset sotilaat soittivat rumpuja linnan edessä että Ruotsalaiset sotilaat eivät saisi unta ja ei voisi tapella. Näin viapori syrjääntyi Venäjälle. Hamiinan rauha tapahtui Haminassa, siellä sota loppui ja sitten sovittiin että raja Ruotsin ja Venäjän välillä vedettäisiin Tornion jokeen.
Well, that was fun to write! Im not suprised if you didnt read the whole thing, ecpesially if you dont understand finnish.
I clicked on the translate function and am very surprised that the translation is completely correct. Many times it gets completely crazy translated.
swedish speaking finns are found quite lot in northern finland and northern sweden where there is a land border.
She is chopping and changing between both during her dialogue.
The whole video is about SWEDISH speaking finns so, no, Dwayne shes not speaking finnish. Strictly speaking its "finlandssvenska" so swedish, not finnish XD
True. But just as he says, it's a form of Swedish that sounds very Finnish.
@@herrbonk3635 I suppose to a foreign ear it does ring very finnish as opposed to swedish
@@akkyraa To a swedish ear too though. The prosody is more similar to finnish than to swedish.
@@herrbonk3635 I wont disagree about the general prosody but the words coming out is still 100% swedish sooo
You should watch Mandelin's video of Moomin. In that video he speaks finnish instead of english but quite slowly so easier to listen. English subtitles.
I livein the one region of Finland that is pretty much 100% swedish speaking, the Åland islands everyone here speak exclusively swedish
Finland was Sweden's eastern part for about 600 years (800 years if you count since the "Crusades"). The Pope saw Finland as a Swedish missionary area already in 1120. But Swedes have also been settling the southwestern coast of Finland since the 800's.
The nation Finland started emerging under Russian rule in the late 1800's, and declared independence from Russia 1917.
This is the reason Sweden and Finland today are like siblings. We cooperate in most things. There are Swedes in Finland, and Finns in Sweden.
I'm Swedish since birth. But my roots come from Tornedalen. Where my ancestors (a Swede from Stockholm and a Finn from Nyland) moved in the 1550's, when Gustav Vasa wanted the North colonized. Those 2 are one part of why I'm 46% Finnish today.
What does that mean? "Finland was Sweden's eastern part, not part of Sweden"? Dude. Finn's paid taxes for Sweden. Finn's were the ones who were your soldiers in wars. Finn's were the ones, who Sweden didn't want to speak anything else than swedish. But we were not part of Sweden? How is that?
We only got the chance to be a demolarized region under Russian rule. At that time, we could speak Finnish freely, build our own defense forces and administration, and keep our own taxes. As ironic as it is, considering what kind of country Russia is anyway.
I'm just saying that Finland was Sweden's eastern part. The Finns were part of Sweden, paid taxes just like any other Swede ( Balt or German).
Saying that Sweden didn't want you to speak anything else than Swedish is taking it a bit too far. If that was the case there would be no Finnish language after 800 years.
There was no official policy that refused Finnish. It was discourage though, authorities used Swedish for example. You also have to remember that during that time German, Latin and French were the dominant languages of the Baltics.
If you want to see how Sweden "Swedified" an area you can take a look at how they handled Scania in the 1600's. Finland was never treated the way the "Danes" were.
@@BerishStarr well I don't know how Danes were treated. I'm just saying that we were part of Sweden at that time. Even tho we didn't have any rights to decide about anything. But we didn't have that same autonomous status as we had under Russian rule. Which is interesting when you think about what kind of country Russia is. On the other hand, we know that Russia gave Finland autonomy only because they wanted us on their side and further away from Sweden. And this was the best way to succeed in that, because Finns cannot be forced into anything. So it was psykology game.
And about that language position. There is very conflicting information about this, because the documents preserved by Finland from that time tell a very different story than the Swedish documents from that time. However, only the other had a reason to embellish things.
But you are right that we are a nation of brothers and even though you swedes sometimes get on Finns' nerves, in the end we are and always will be by your side and support you in everything. 🇫🇮🤝🇸🇪
@@PataassaIn reality when Gustav Vasa turned into Lutheranism, Sweden forced the Finns read Finnish and Agricola to translate the Bible and create written Finnish. The written Finnish language is what Sweden forced Finns into. Even in Stockholm there was and still is a church for the Finnish speakers. The Finns have never been forced to speak Swedish, the exception being the Finnish population in Sweden after Finland and Sweden had become two separate countries.
@@sampohonkala4195 So you say that because of the fact that swedish king (Wasa) wanted Finn's who understood only Finnish start reading bible (because he wanted one religion and one lanquage) and he forced someone to write that in Finnish, it does it erase the fact that Finnish speakers were treated differently than Swedish speakers? I think they are two completely different things.
A number of people, including me, explained a lot about the phenomenon that is the "Finnish-Swedish" minority in Finland - in the previous video with her...
She has spoken Swedish in all the videos you have watched from her, it is just that the dialect sounds more Finnish (but not really). If you heard a majority Finn (Finnish as mother language) try to speak Swedish it would sound very different to what is presented in the video. Instead of a melodic sound like in the video, it would be transformed into a series of coughs and unnatural "even-ness" (flat) sound to the pronunciation of each word.
Rephering to her in the video: we do have something called finlandismer in Finnish swedish. means we have borrowed words from Finnish to swedish and in these are word I would say Swede's mostly dont know what they mean, a little bit depending on that is there realtives in Finland or no
It's funny to me how many native English speakers (looking at you Brits and USA) are fascinated by bilingual people. Speaking only one language is rare, not the norm. It's also interesting to see that Dwayne can't tell Finnish and Swedish apart, considering how long he's been watching videos in both languages.
I can tell the apart, however she does speak very fast. So following the subtitles was difficult
As far as I understand, 'finnish swedish' doesn't use pitch accent, so it would sound less melodical to you, and perhaps is the reason why you're mixing it up with finnish.
Finland was like a province in Sweden for over 600 years.
And it has only been Finnish for 100 years.
Well it was also the Grand Duchy of Finland for 108 years. We weren't independent, but we had such an extensive autonomy, it was very close to independence (at least between 1863 and 1899)
You seem to have trouble distinguishing Swedish from Finnish. If you hear the word Finland it's Swedish as Finland is Suomi in Finnish. And Sweden is Routsi in Finnish.
Not Routsi but Ruotsi.
Of course he has! The prosody is so similar to Finnish that it even fools Swedes sometimes.
@@herrbonk3635 I've never heard of a swede that has problems distinguishing between Swedish and Finnish, Sounds strange to me. I can understand that Dwayne has but swedes, don't think so. I'm talking about the Finnish language not the language she is speaking. He thought she was speaking Finnish.
@@tonyxjr1956 The prosody is so similar so some swedes actually mistake it for Finnish, especially old people without perfect hearing. I've seen that many times.
@@jennifer1329 You are so correct. Slipped at the keyboard 🙂
She is speaking Swedish (and some English) but with a Finnish accent, she is most likely a decendant from Swedish people that moved to Finland during the years(1323 -1809) when Finland was a part of Sweden. (Yes that includes the Kalmar-union 1397-1523)
The president of Finland, Alexander Stubb speaks perfect swedish.
@@erikstenviken2652 wow, so does majour of us 'ordinary' ppl, so nothing to brag bout there stubb.
@@eveliinaniilivuo7329In theory, yes. However in the context of this video it is worth noticing that Stubb is a Swedish speaking Finn. Actually bilingual as his father speaks Swedish and mother Finnish. But he is a Swedish speaker first.
👩🏻🌾🏞️🌅🇫🇮 Hello, Dwayne!
Let me see if I can make the distinction clear between the different citizen groups of Finland.
I will have to simplify the matter a bit, because the reality is slightly more complicated.
Okay. Here we go. This is the short version.
You may have noticed, Dwayne, that Kat said (in Swedish) that she considers herself to be a Swedish-speaking (her mother tongue) FINLANDER, not a FINN. This lies at the heart of the matter.
I'm a Swedish-speaking Finlander myself too, and I would never call myself a FINN, because a FINN is somebody who speaks Finnish as his or her mother tongue, first of all. In addition, a Finn considers himself or herself to be a FINN by heritage, customs and culture, has usually gone to a Finnish-language school, has Finnish-speaking friends and family, reads Finnish-language books etc.
A FINN belongs to an 'ethnic' group called Finns. (Although DNA has shown that genetically the FINNS are not as homogenous as previously thought.
So, the above distinguishes the FINNS from the Swedish-speaking FINLANDERS. The word FINLANDER means EVERYBODY living in Finland and is a general and very handy term to include all who are citizens of Finland or live here permanently, irrespective of their ethnic background. This useful word Finlander (Finländare in Swedish, and suomenmaalainen in Finnish) has unfortunately not really caught on neither among the Finns nor among the Swedes in Sweden).
In Swedish, I say that I'm a finlandssvensk, that is, a Finland-Swede. The FINNS have translated that to suomenruotsalainen in Finnish. Any which way you say it, it's kind of clumsy.
We have a problem with keeping the two words, FINN and FINLANDER apart when it comes to foreigners making or knowing the difference in meaning between them. Unfortunately, those who should know and make that distinction, namely the Swedes in Sweden, usually call us all FINNS, in Swedish, finne (in the singular), finnar in plural. They think purely of the population of Finland as a whole. But they are incorrect in calling us Finland-Swedes (or Swedish-speaking Finlanders) for FINNS. We just hope that they will learn to see the difference some day.
This is how most of us call ourselves, although there are some that don't really care what they are being called. Evidently, they don't mind or don't see the distinction made by the words Finn and Finlander.
So, call us whatever you like as long as you don't call us FINNS. Perhaps you may see the difference if you would be a proud Scot or an Irishman and foreigners would keep calling you English...
I might add that we used to make up some 10% and more of the population in Finland, and contrary to what some Finns say our group is not diminishing in numbers. Not too far in the future we'll be as many as the entire population on Iceland - and they have their very own country. In 2017, we numbered some 290,000.
The Finland-Swedes live along the southern and western coasts of Finland, in the archipelago and, of course, on the totally Swedish-speaking Åland Islands. The Finland-Swedes are not shrinking in numbers. It only appears so, because the Finnish inhabitants have become proportionally larger. As the capital, Helsinki still has a large proportion of Swedish-speakers and is therefore officially a bilingual city. Cities, towns and counties are officially designated as either only Finnish, only Swedish, or mixed with a majority of either one language.
I have to add that the meanings of the words that I tried to explain are also the ones recommended by The Institute for the Languages of Finland.
Finland is bilingual country. Swedish language is the 2nd official language.
So. naturally swedish speaking people do exist.
I am one. Ostrobothnia region. We speak Swedish dialect. Even Swedes does not know we exist but some Swedes like when i was in Gothenburg does understand our dialect lol. However Närpes Swedish dialect can be more tricky.
She is married to Dave Cad, and they speak three languages to their son, Finnish, Swedish and English
We like to put "ligen" as a suffux, ie "gladeligen", "sorgeligen", and so on, so I don't really get what she means there. Hoppeligen is used in Sweden with the exact same meaning.
Hoppeligen is not very common in Sweden though. (Or what dialect where you thinking about?)
(We also tend to say sorgligt [nog] or sorgesamt instead of sorgeligen, but gladeligen is more common.)
@@herrbonk3635 I agree that it's not common, but (most) people will understand.
My dialect is primarily the Stockholm/Uppsala region, or Mälardalen, but I spent all my summers as a kid in the Gothenburg area and/or in Jämtland, and has now been living in Blekinge and Malmö for over 10 years, so I'm a bit all over the place
@@matshjalmarsson3008 Yes, most Swedes would probably be able to guess what it means. (I'm from Mälardalen-Roslagen too, but have never heard hoppeligen here.)
She is ethnically Finnish. She just speaks Swedish instead of Finnish because her parents taught her that as her mother lanquage.
They have continued the tradition for probably hundreds and hundreds of years, ever since the time when Finland was part of Sweden. Finland was part of Sweden for about 600 years. At that time, Sweden tried to make / force all Finns speaking only swedish. For some people that worked, some not so well.
From this time, however, Swedish-speaking Finns remained in Finland, who today make up about 5% of Finns.
However, they are completely Finnish, only their mother lanquage is different from other Finns.
It is absolutely incorrect to say that Sweden tried to make all Finns speak Swedish. In reality when Gustav Vasa adopted Lutheranism, the decision forced Agricola to start translating the Bible into Finnish as Lutherans are supposed to be able to read the Bible. What followed was that the Finns were forced to learn to read Finnish, as you were not allowed to marry without that skill.
However, the upper education in Finland was in the majority language of Sweden, Swedish. Therefore If you wanted to study in University you had to learn Swedish. But that was really a very small minority of the people.
@@sampohonkala4195 Kustaa Wasa had motto: one religion and one lanquage. And that lanquage was swedish in Sweden and in Finland. Nobody killed because of Finnish lanquage. But speaking Finnish ment that you had worst works, you had to pay more taxes and so on. So is that not forcing? You don't get the same rights in your own homeland that other Finn's who has took swedish as their speaking lanquage does? I think it kind of is. ruclips.net/video/1lzLk6XtjCQ/видео.htmlsi=MrXwM97ut_OgHjY4
@@Pataassa Simply not true. The Finns were ruled by exactly the same law as the Swedes. Finns just like Swedes were farmers that owned their farms and few people had any other work than agriculture. There is no reason to think Finns paid more taxes.
@@sampohonkala4195 Tämä on suoraan Wikipediasta: Brahelle, että smoolantilaisena hän oli "tässä maassa muukalainen" ja sanoi surevansa "sitä hetkeä, jolloin hän tuli tähän maahan". Västmanlandin rykmentissä Suomen sodassa vuonna 1808 palvellut vänrikki Carl Johan Ljunggren kuvaili rannikon ruotsinkielisten muistuttaneen paljon Ruotsin rahvasta, mutta sisämaan talonpoikien olleen ulkonäöltään vastenmielisiä ja juroja. Heillä oli päässään kalottimainen lakki ja jaloissaan punaiset säärystimet ja jalkineina oli pieksuiksi nimitetyt kengät. Heidän ihonsa oli savupirttien likaamana likaisenruskea ja he puhuivat "käsittämätöntä siansaksaa".
And same in English: This is straight to Wikipedia: Brahe that as a Småland he was "a stranger in this country" and said he mourned "the moment he came to this country". Lieutenant Carl Johan Ljunggren, who served in the Västmanland regiment in the Finnish war in 1808, described that the Swedish-speakers of the coast resembled the people of Sweden a lot, but that the peasants of the interior were repulsive and rude in appearance. They had a helmet-like cap on their heads and red leggings on their feet and shoes called pieks. Their skin was dirty brown, stained with cigarette butts, and they spoke "unintelligible slang".
Does that sound like Finnish speakers was treated same as swedish speakers? And that is just one story that I found fast for Wikipedia.
@@Pataassa Actually I am aware of a multitude of descriptions of the Finns written by the Swedish, Swedish speakers and people from other countries. I have translated and published such descriptions into Finnish by Augustin Ehrensvärd, Carl Gustaf Ramsay, Emil Nervander and started the one by Ehrström, which was later translated by others.
If you widen your knowledge beyond random stories in Wikipedia, you will notice that although Finnish speakers were seen somewhat exotic, disrespect is extremely rare. Especially Ramsay (KIA in the battle of Lapua 1809) was genuinely interested in the Finnish customs and fashion.
The tone changes towards the end of the 1800's when Finland was a Grand Duchy and the former majority language Swedish had become a minority language in Finland. This culminated in the language battles and the attempt to prove that the Swedish speakers were somehow superior, to give a reason for upper education and government to remain primarily functioning in Swedish.
She's speaking swedish :D
"A little" accent from Helsinki? 🤔😂 Hm. I find it to be a lot like "riks-finlands-svenska"... My accent used to be much "rougher" on the edges, and perharps a little bit slower when I lived i Österbotten as a child. The real "riks-svenska" dialect can be found on the finnish side actually... Like a bit south to Vaasa if I'm not remembering wrong. But that came out of an idea of how the language has been preserved (or NOT progressed) since Finland was a part of Sweden. Most people today think that the real "riks-svenska" (average-swedish) is a dialect that is found just north of Nyköping.
@dwayne have you been to Finland yet 🙂
Ok. Im Finnish and understand Swedish quite good, beacuse of school, but never even try To speak it. English and spanish Yes.
I read an article quite a long time ago that there is only one single municipality/commune (cannot remember the name) in the world where 100% of the inhabitants have Swedish as their maternal language and it is situated in Finland (not Sweden) I don't know if this is still the case . . .
It is, sadly, not still the case.
4:24 Yeah, well, it makes sense that Swedish has variations on dialect too. 🤔
As we have different dialects in Finland well.
For example, you as British person are most likely able to distinguish some of the different British dialects, knowing that their accent/dialect is certain kind and thus are most likely from that certain area etc.
Well we also have different dialects in Finnish language.
(I really don't know about them that much, but to say some examples:)
Minä, Mie, Miä, Mää, Mä
These all words mean the same as the word *I* in English.
But as for the, 'correct' kirjakieli = '(I'm just going to call it 'proper, written Finnis' because I don't know better word/correct term here.)
Finnish that is recognized as the form that is to be used in public documents, news and all that, the word minä is the word to use.
I was married to a Swedish speaking finn, so i guess our daughter is half swedish and half swedis speaking finn...
You were really confused by that clip. But since you found it "really interesting" I suggest you watch it again to really understand what she's saying. She explains it really well. Actually, it seems like you misunderstood the most important of the concept. - Namely that she is Finnish, living in Finland. But. She speaks swedish.
When following subtitles, it is difficult if the speaker is speaking too fast. But yes, I know she's a Finnish person who speaks Swedish. It's in the title of the video. Her explanation, however, was difficult to follow with subtitles. I won't be watching again. I got the premise of the video.
i love that moomin dialect....
Actually, I think she is speaking a bit slowly in swedish 😜 she pronounces the words more so they sound a bit harsh and the words are very melodic with the finnish dialect 🤗 / from a swede living at "västkusten" the West Coast ☀️
She is not speaking Swedish-Finnish she is speaking "Högsvenska"... Directly translated has "High Swedish". Its the proper way to speak it without accent actually from old days. As Swedes themselves would speak it when their king went about on his conquering escapades through Poland and Russia. In St. Petersburg today you can find still some Swedish speaking ppl due to the now ancient occupation. Same as in the Baltic countries.
Its a bit complicated to explain.. but now a day Finnland was the eastearn part of Sweden for at least 700 years!
Soo.. for 700 years swedish become the administartive language/the language of the elit! But altso by swedish setlers in the south of finnland and on the west coast! Or they got abducted first and have to learn swedish to survive.. you know, be christians and swear allegiance to the swedish king!?
In anyway.. Finish-Swedish.. or rather east swedish is one of the best swedish dialects.. they still pronunce all the letters.. and sometime use older swedish words! Its altso cald "Moomin swedish"!
And there is one caveat.. at Åland.. they only speak swedish.. becuse its habiatated by swedes and is closer to Stockholm/Uppland then to finnland!
However.. there is a UK guy on youtube, that moved to Finnland for love, to find that she was a finn-swed in a swedish speaking area and her parents speak swedish at home! So now he need to learn two extra languages!😄
most rote back to past wars and Finland was a part of Sweden and in some part of the country it was mandatory to speak Swedish. Sorry is to mutch go in to here it easier to look it up.
Well she speaks Swedish that is easy to understand. In my home city the "Swedish" is horrible. Regular Swede wouldn´t understand that or if, only some words form here and there. I understand a little bit, but that is very different than the Swedish we had to learn in school.
Me as a Swede can hear and understand evrerything she says....=)
Därför hon pratar "Högsvenska". Inte Finlandssvenska. Kan du förstå om ja skriver på: Eje vise om et ji en vatuschvensk? vannifroan ji tu et då? har et nain tjelg då el bara skotar ett runt å drar na härvor? ;)
FY FAN!!!
Swedish Speaking Finns talk much faster than the average Swedish Speaking Swedes.
Except it's the other way round... :D
Finland Swedes are kind of famous for speaking in a slow and cumbersome way.
No they don't
@@sk70091 Yes, they do.
@@SteamboatW I have a lof ot Swedish relatives, and grew up in a Finnish town where most people are Swedish speaking Finns, and in my experience Swedish speaking Finns absolutely speak slower. But I suppose it might depend on which finlandssvensk dialect you are used to. I grew up on the west coast in Ostrobothnia.
@@sk70091 Try Åland and Nyland... They sound like m-pists.
You wondered of two spoken languages?
And u live in US? Most of the southern people there speak spanish.
About that 'dialekt'. Yes in 'deep south' and Texas have different style to talk than in NewYork or in Cali.
Swizerland have three different official languages italy, german and france.
Nowday here in Finland there are many more russian and arabian speaking people than swedish :)
The world changes.
For people who says that swedish talking finns comes from sweden. Thats not so easy to jude it that way.
For 600 years ago ther came maybe some swedes ordered by the swedish king. Not a hole nation :D They put finns to talk swedish. But there is a little throuth.
When first people came to here in the begining. Some people came from russia and from the other side same time there came people from sweden. But that was much much before any swedish king was even found. The samis was here first. Like Indians in US. White people pushed them up north.
My both parents speak swedish as motherlanguage either have eny root from Sweden. We have some roots from north-east of Finland, Carelia/Kainuu. I speak both. Better finish. Soon here will not be anymore of that swedish era left. Maybe in Ostrobotnia (middle-west part) what can have only swedish talking villages.
She is a SWEDISH speaking finn
Maby you need to understand "the mumin" aswell? For me, as a Swede, I DO NOT find the finns as outlanders. We are connected. As norway, danmark and before island. Island became more distant after like 1995??
Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim var finlandssvensk.
As a Swede it’s very difficult to visit finland cuz I feel like 50% understand swedish and 50% don’t understand a word so I never know if I should start a conversation in swedish or english😅
If not at west coast down from Kokkola(Karleby) Or south coast some Porvoo region Or so, Better with English.
There is a very easy remedy to this problem of yours: speak English like a normal person
2:25 It is because she is:
a) dodging a bullet
b) it is very complicated, and there has been a lot of attempts to rewrite the history of Swedish rule and Russian rule, not only to white wash history (both for Sweden and for Russia, as well as to sometimes to make them worse or black/white than they were), but also to push personal interests (like few "historians" who have written fictional versions of Finnish history to make their own family look better).
c) there are still a lot of bitter Finns who hate Finnish-Swedes since they are the ancestors of the filthy rich Swedish ruling class from the ancient days of Sweden's colonization of Finland. Also, it doesn't help that most Finnish-Swedes are still indeed much wealthier, better educated and more posh than normal Finns. But just to iterate, it is just mostly jealous bigotry based on stuff that happened hundreds of years ago
d) there has been a rise in Finnish far-right Nationalists that have been trying to push forward really ridiculous theories about Finnish history, origins and Sweden's role with Finland.
So dodging this question altogether, can skip some of those ridiculous arguments in the comments
2:45 She is speaking Swedish (as pointed out by others) but she is actually speaking rather "slowish" and taking time to articulate things so well, even I can understand her (and my Swedish is rubbish)
7:13 It truly matters a lot. When I am at my Ullanlinna apartment in Helsinki, I hear Swedish almost more than Finnish and street signs are written in Swedish and Finnish, however, when I am in my Rovaniemi apartment in Lapland, I never hear or see any Swedish at all. I've lived the majority of my life in Lapland, and I think I have heard Swedish spoken only once or twice there. Even Swedish tourists use just English, since most people in Lapland speak so poor Swedish compared to their English, using Swedish there makes no sense
Swedish speaking Finns mix a lot of Finnish words when they speak Swedish. Obviusly people from Sweden don't understand those words.
This is not a Swedish speaking Finn, itś a Finn speaking Finn-Swedish
Where is sweden you live allso sounds diffrent. Denmark too. prtobably the whole world.
If you would listen to Mark Levengood. You would hear that he's speakning in the same way as this girl did in this video. She's NOT speak finnish in this video. THIS IS the way how the Finlandssvenska // Finnish swedish is. And they often do speak a bit faster as well.
A curiosity: The eastermost part of Finland where a substantial portion of the population speaks swedish is a small town on the south coast called Lovisa. Someone told me that they used to have a strange swedish accent, with rolling "r", down in the throat, like in american english. I don´t know if they still talkes this way. But if so, it would be the only swedish dialect with this sound. In fact, although the swedish speakers are just 5.4 % of the population, there are big differences in accent. When me and my finnish born wife was walking around in Vasa (or Vaasa in finnish) I heard a strange language that I presumed was icelandic. It was spoken on a café by a group of people around 30 years old, men and women. Surprised I said to my wife: "Icelanders? What are they doing in Vasa?" "That language was not icelandic", my wife replied, "I guess it was a bunch of rural people from Oravais or another village here in Ostrobothnia were people speaks swedish". "I didn´t understand a word of that", I said. "Well, these people were quite young", my wife said, "you should listen to very old folks here i Ostrobothnia, THAT is a real challenge to understand".
Her "standard Fenno-Swedish" is more mutually intelligible with "rikssvenska" than it is with some other Fenno-Swedish dialects.
Dialekte från miin region påminde meir om norrländsk dialekte. Di föstar no va man seir men ibland kanski man måst uppreip na gangor ele sej e på na ader sätt. Märks bäst i militärn tå nylänninga o österbottninga e på sama plats.
Ere Nykaabi du e ifrån, eller nånstans därifrån hålle?
@@Cronin_ Close enough
Someone pointed it out but she is speaking swedish not finnish, tbh those languages are nothing alike xD
official name: fennoswedish, also id say as a rule, if youre a swedish speaking finn from southern finland, you know finnish well, if youre from western finland (the only 2 areas with any significant amount of fennoswedes), your finnish is gonna be a lot worse because most towns have a majority swedish speakers and you dont "need" to learn finnish and you dont come in contact with it really
Even I, who am from Vasa, speak very poor Finnish. Here we're only about 24% who are Swedish speakers, but we still can get by practically perfectly without Finnish
swedish-speaking Finn
samma på svenska
Svenskar, Finnar, Finlandssvenskar, Sverigefinnar... Svenskar speaks Swedish, Finnar speaks Finnish, Finlandssvenskar are Finns that speaks Swedish, Sverigefinnar are Finns or Swedes (with Finnish roots) that speaks Finnish and live in Sweden.