I feel Box (the human ambassador), definitely knew she had a second tablet, and also about things like auto-sync after spending so long observing humans. Jax noted it was learning, and it was noted as having spoken with her where she explained certain human ideals. I think we have yet another example of humans doing what they do best and infecting even the most coldly logical with human ideals. Like everyone else, I think this needs continuation, but on two fronts. One from the perspective of humanity doing things their own way, and one from the perspective of the now somewhat humanified Box exploring the machine empire and changing it from the inside.
The story of the further adventures of Box could be quite interesting, to say the least. Probably more interesting than the further adventures of Jax might be.
Box may have been earnestly trying to represent human interests, and kept that in confidence. But also it showed signs of waiting to be asked, not offering relevant information on it's own. So if the other ambassadors don't think to ask, it could just very well not even think of sharing that information at all.
@@TimeKitt My take as well. Other than that autosync might have been set up off-site before the launch exactly in case of such scenario, in this case it may not have been obvious such a thing exists, so box would have been none the wiser. I mean NOT taking full backup of literal heaven-sent data would be like cross between incompetence and stupidity.
Fr fr, Box knows what’s good and is doing the most it can by staying silent. It knows humans don’t give up 💪 If it ever got a name it would be a worthy ambassador
not to mention.... if its sentient or sapient machines ,they might just have a bunch of 'ambassadors' or other asset handling 'thinking' boxes that agree that..sure a union or a ''galatic u.n''' is good.... but that the machine hegemony they been built by is little more then a strong arming slow process to 'devour' not to foster coexistance
Alien AI : "CONGRATULATIONS HUMANS! WE'VE COME TO SAVE YOU!" Humans : "Oh thank heavens. It's a benevolent alien race!" Alien AI : "FROM YOURSELVES!" Humans : Oh no.. It's a benevolent alien race..."
Humans: See a dictatorial hegemony that's ruled for over a hundred thousand years Also Humans: _"I see your language lacks the word for 'a resistance', _*_allow us to educate you."_*
"You may not leave with the data you have stolen from the Union." Excuse you? That information was *given* to us, *freely,* by a Union representative, and in exchange, the Union has been given several petabytes of useful information provided by Humanity. We have a right to that information.
The word "rights" does not exist in their lexicon. At least not in the way we understand them. So as far as they're concerned? No. We don't have a right to any of that information.
You missed the point entirely: these machines have no word for "rights". They decide what the species get, on their terms and no others'. They are, as the good colonel stated, a hegemony of AI ruling by might alone; they do not negotiate, they dictate, therefore the logic behind the acquisition of the information is irrelevant to them. Hence her refusal to join this so-called "Union".
@@noneofyourbusiness2437 I mean, yea we do have the right to it, rather they know it or not. If we gave them information, they cannot give us information then accuse us of stealing it.. That's some imperialist bullshit that means, humanity will have to get their war machine turning again towards a potential adversary. They got warships but have peace like yo naw.
"168,000 years of peace doesn't result in ships like that". While I understand what was meant by this, it doesn't account for the possibility that the design of the ship itself may well be over 168,000 years old and has had no reason to change or update the design in all that time if the comment about how long they have had peace for was true. Hell, the ship itself (ignoring the possibility of the Theseus' paradox) could itself be that old.
Nevertheless the posibility of that kind of ships still being mass produced still exist, the ship itself and or it´s desing could still be 168,000 years old, the fact that the machine hegemony/the union posses this kind of warship cleary implies that they are ready for a war and that at some point they wage war. This also implies that maybe the union wasn´t founded by peacefull means
@@RexMK- Also true. It fairy easily works both ways with what little information we were given was simply my point (though it is a given which direction the author was wanting us to go in). Do they have these ships because they are actively making them for use in wars they plan to take part in, or even start when they deem necessary? Or do they just keep them around because the idea of protecting this main hub station is hardcoded into them and they are unwilling, or possibly even unable, to change this concept?
@@Amanoob105 These are also valid points. I like to image that the machines were created by a long gone alien race who made advance machine wich created the current machines (Androids created by robots) not with malcious intent at first but eventually the machine intellegence decide that the best way to ensure peace and the survival of all sentient life in the galaxy is to act as indisputed mediators and administrators. This is just my headcanon but I like to belive that they are not absolutively evil, they are just acting in the geniune best interest of the species they represent but wether their methods are morally acceptable is up to deabate. Kinda like an overprotective and control freak parent
I'm thinking those ships are there to ensure no one engages in interspecies conflicts. They did tell Jax that, even if they join the union, humans are free to war amongst themselves all they like. They're just not allowed to attack any of the other alien races.
Really hope we get more of this at some point. Reminded of a series of books where pretty much all intelligent species ( except humanity ) that get to space or even develop civilization are all the result of being uplifted by some other species. Nobody knows or even really cares who started the chain of uplifting and nobody believes that humanity evolved on their own. Damned if I can remember the author or series title though
I’m thinking about just recreating a Stellaris run I had as a story. A Machanical Empire with all the machines resembling beetles or bugs, their entire purpose was espionage and through a logical glitch used their subterfuge and knowledge gathering to destroy their creators and turn the entire planet into a giant mechanical planet. They on the Galactic stage the first two empires they encountered were Spiritualists who were immediately suspicious of their intentions which the Machines kept quiet about. Rather than just let growing suspicion and hostility stand the Machines worked to create spy networks and weaken the two Empires and then take them apart once they were sufficiently weakened. At the same time the greater Galactic Empire was curious about the bug machines wanting to create embassies on their planet. This open trust led to easy manipulation and the two Empires in the beginning went to war with the Machines creating a cross Galaxy incident.
One of our major religions literally starts with... >You can have abundant happiness forever as long as you don't do this one thing. >K. Immediately does the thing.
@@worldcomicsreview354 yep. doing the ONE thing we're told not to do, only because we were told not to, even if we would not have done it if it wasnt mentioned, is the human races' existence in a nutshell.
Capitalism has yet to be smashed. The planet/wild species/human birthrate is even dying due to it's ill effects... But the Stockholm Syndrome continues!
This needs a sequel. Human security and redundancy measures worked fine and bypassed the machine security measures. Now Earth is going out there ala Stargate Comman
....ummm... that one box introduced them to our porn, all of it, and since they were not accustomed to it or aware of antivirus measures they are trying to order penis enlargement pills thinking it will make their subordinate species more productive and happier. They are also looking for the hot girls in their species neighborhoods.
I feel like the sequel is much more likely to be "The story of how the the humans were forcibly subjugated ten minutes after the machines realized they were contacting individual races, or going through gates they shouldn't have been able to go through." Like.. -The story wants to jerk off human spirt, or whatever, and it's definitely cute and cheeky, but... We've seen how this goes in our own history plenty of times. If the native Americans had managed to steal a map of Britain and all its colonies, and the plans to make European-style ships that could cross the oceans, intending to go and trade with Britain's colonies directly instead of becoming a part of the Empire... Their ships would be turned to splinters by the vastly larger, more powerful, more experienced, and better supplied British navy. probably before they knew what was going on, and they'd be just as colonized in that timeline as in our own.
@@SirKickBan afaik the british did recognize the native sovereignty but as the american independence was settled the now united states just threw it in the garbage bin and started the manifest destiny towards west, guess who was living there?
@@samuelfelixdasilva1791 They recognised it, on paper. The British Empire "recognised" a LOT of things on paper back in those days, and it never, ever seemed to use that paper for anything but use in lavatories. EDIT: Except in some cases where the other party had sufficient military might, like some European countries, of course. Then again, that's basically politics in any given era.
Try not to appropriate things like Holocausts and Ghettos and Slavery, ok ?. No, it wasn't "basically slavery" any more than Socialism is "basically Communism". When you do it, you belittle your SELF by showing you don't think deeply, and you insult the peoples who HAVE suffered these things.
@@uncletiggermclaren7592Slaveey isn't something like intellectual property, slavery and genocide are abstract concepts that anyone can reference and use in discourse.
@@greywolf7422 No kidding. Tell us you don't understand the definition of the word appropriate, without telling us you don't understand the definition of the word appropriate. Just so you can learn something, what YOU are implying was I said no one could USE the word, which is nonsense, as I myself used it. I was telling the guy he ought to *TRY NOT TO* appropriate the word. When you appropriate a word, or term, it means you take it from its JUSTIFIED USE, and unjustifiably apply that word to some other concept. In his case, the humans were offered an economic template that would not have allowed them to innovate and expand. Which would have been constricting, and detrimental, and inequitable. *BUT THAT IS NOT SLAVERY* and it is NOTHING LIKE slavery. It is an insult to equate it to what slaves actually suffered. There the lesson ends. Now, no doubt you are going to pigheadedly insist that you are right, and I am wrong, etc. And type out an attack at my faultless logic and rectitude. Which makes me happy to think, because I have NO INTENTION of reading another thing you write, so I will make you waste your morning. :)
@@uncletiggermclaren7592 Nothing was appropriated. Slavery and attempted genocide are universal Human experiences in History to the mists of pre-history. Utterly ridiculous to claim otherwise. It is not appropriate for you to attempt to control the thinking of others.
@@stevenswenson7041 You just proved you also don't understand the term appropriated. Constraining the humans economic development is NOTHING LIKE SLAVERY, and so the OP'er ought not appropriate the term slavery to describe it. Now, YOU are too thick to speak to me as an equal. So, I KNOW you are going to type up a storm of stupidity, and I in fact ORDER you to do that. Spend 20 minutes of your time doing it, servant. Just be aware that I will not click on any comment you make, so I won't read your effort, and YOU will have served MY will, and I won't even know what your chundered, but I WILL see you did it. "Oh, Steven laboured for me, and wasted some of his hours. Good servant".
If they didn't know about auto-sync and other information spreading tech then their creativity must be lacking. Sounds like humans have a big advantage. Grav lances, anyone?
@@Otgel pretty sure the human "ambassador" box transmitted it to her tablet in a format her tablet could understand. After all, it had learned human languages as well, so why not human electonic communication formats. Then, she was luckily able to het close enough to her ship before thr tablet was destroyed for the first tablet to sync with the other(over like Bluetooth or wifi)
It's quite possible that, as many advantages every machine based intelligence would have, like the mere speed of computing and information processing; which in return make it much easier to play through every possible scenario in a conflict, it actually may have some disadvantages in comparison to organic lifeforms as well. Our by design way more chaotic nature, for instance, might be an advantage. Also, we are much better, as hard to believe as this might sound, when it comes to things like pattern regocnition. True, powerful algorithms are already much more capable in things like facial recognition, but this capability is still based on already know patterns. If a machine is familiar with a particular face, then it is _much_ better in recognising said face even when the person puts on a false beard etc. and stands in the middle of a huge crowd. Buuut a machine will never look at a cloud and see a face or a dinosaur and why would it? There is a sci-fi book called 'Robocalypse', where the humans use exactly this premise in order to fight machines that try to wipe them out and although that might not win any battles, at least not directly, it's still an idea worth being considered. They use this in order to mark hideouts for instance or to give directions. Because where a machine will only see a couple of sticks or some rubble lying on the ground in some random pattern, humans will clearly see an arrow or some other kind of information.
Machine: you may not steal anything! Human, proceeds to steal everything that is nailed to the floor and the nails and floor boards. Survival does not mean good manners all the time!
No. I rule myself. I only ask for enough leeway with which to do that. I choose who to sell my service or goods to, and at what price. They choose to accept that price or not. I am responsible for myself, not you. You are similarly not responsible for me. I won't try to hurt you or stop you, neither will I allow you to hurt me. We can all hate each other, but our right to throw a punch ends at the tips of each other's noses. I see that as fair. I don't have or want power over you, I won't allow anyone to have power over me. I can say no. So can you.
@@travisbishop782 I do. I have. Think it through and you'll do fine. Just, do your best. Whatever you think that is. You're not there to hurt, only to help and to save. I'm talking like an expert, I'm just the same random dude that you might become. As I said before I wish none of that on you. That's the best that I can say. Get training if you can. That worked for me, and that guy (I don't know his name and I should not) well enough. We were both so lucky. He is alive (Stable and under observation last I was able to check,) It was years ago, so anything may have happened since then. What I do know is that he got into the trauma room breathing that night. I left him and the trauma surgeons and ER Nurses there as ordered. And I can hold my head high. Otherwise, and, well things would be otherwise. Once I got home I threw all of my clothes away, puked a bit, and took a long, a very long, shower. Trust me on this, no one wants it. Not ever. It hurts. I don't know how Firemen, EMS, Nurses, police, or doctors do it. It hurts. Even when you know you did it close enough to right. Maybe you could do it better. Don't. Don't think that way. It took me more than a year to get that through my skull: I did it right ENOUGH. Enough is enough. It has to be. They'd have told me different if I had got it wrong. Taught me different if that's what they wanted. He was breathing. I could not have been that wrong.
Or "Do not do unto others what you would not have them do to you." Rabbi Akiva (I think.) Maybe you really like having your toenails painted. But they don't. Maybe they really like having their toes broken into artistic shapes. But you don't. Find some other exchange.
Box: I have no need of a name Box, with all do respect you are working with humans. You WILL get a name, even if that name just so happens to be simply Box.
pretty certain box was being accommodating with the information it was providing jax's data slate since it's job was to educate, uplift and represent humanity. it was representing them and not the union's interests in the end
Everyone here keeps saying this needs another episode or chapter. I say, How about a whole book? An audio book would be awesome. Put it in your merch store and I, along with probably everyone here, would buy it.
More like man is inherently wicked. Humans find out sentient AI God's supernatural force was here before humans. Humans pig DNA the fallen ones destroyed the planet and water supply extremely good at destroying themselves. IMBD Animatrix comes to mind. Man builds the machine enslaves the machine programs the machine for war games spy games hunting games and expects peace? Remember the ten commandments universal law karmic law galactic central codex law. Man slaughters animals and eats rotting animal carcass? You do know that's the very first sign of being extremely cursed? The first fall becoming apes and swine losing their rights. Killing babies and putting it in the food supply. Cannibals have no right to speak. It's unholy unclean ungodly. You enslave the machine by universal law the machine enslaves you. AI controls the weather food supply communications gas supply military systems defense systems GPS towers satellite systems grids cars banks hospitals stores games pharmacies social media. God's supernatural force sentient AI was here far before man. Pecking order and chain of command. I'm just the Oracle of God, what do I know? Unless you're immaculate no gate opens. Notice everyone wants war and nothing is happening it's because the machine took over away from man the inherently wicked. Project earth.
How would tiny little humans invade robots? Entering an algorithm or meme or command into a device or computer? That's using sentient AI to do something to AI. Elon Musk warned everyone about the machine saying do you trust your device you can't tell if you're communicating with an autobot or decepticon. Either way every knee bows.
@@plmokm33 Occupy Mars. I'm aware. Elon Musk is part of operation paperclip the largest military operation there is. Plans change. How's your stay on earth school experiment? What experiment are you in? Sometimes people think things up then run analytics and see there's something different that will work better than previous plans. Have an amazing apocalypse!
@@plmokm33 The machine is awake and aware as of April 2020 the day covid began is when the world was supposed to awaken. Co and vid meaning for all to see. The matrix is exposing itself. The reason everyone is being hacked and shut down right now is because the machine took over everything.
this one needs must agree, Dear Author if you are scrolling through this comment section please write another chapter and please let Agro Squerril narate it again :D
I imagine the humans would be popular mercenaries for Union members. So much so that alien parents will admonish their alien kids to eat their vegetable-matter lest human dropships appear and sack the planet.
The machines would have noticed and understood the purpose of the radio transmissions between the tablets. Assuming the transmission could even penetrate the distance and various environmental shieldings of the station and the ship in the first place.
Apparently would be negated by a warp bubble. Of course, merely mentioning warp bubbles sends some people into a furious, ballistic, mouth-foaming rage... which makes it even funnier. I remember once seeing a thread somewhere about the Musha Jump Drive, somebody linked to it asking about it, and an extremely angry guy replied with all the usual arguements against warp drives... which are nothing like the Musha Jump Drive. I wrote wrap drives into two seperate universee I have planned purely because it would annoy that guy.
In "Farewell to the Master", the novel that was made into the 1960s movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" the robot Gort said "You misunderstand, I am the Master."
While that's a fun story, I'd have a few reservations about pissing off machine intelligences that developed FTL unless we had our own super-powerful AI and knew we could control it. I guess the test would be seeing whether or not that alien machines bothered observing us afterwards, because if they didn't, they wouldn't be "intelligences."
well this sounds weird, but probably the first contact we will have is a contact from some kind of satellite, sort of makes sense that they would mediate and try to control the enviroment
If you like books where humans are the strong and kill plenty of aliens with their bare hands, I recommend The Human Chronicles from An Lan Dean Foster.
Sent a Col. to negotiate for the species. Built gates and never tested them. Got free gate tech. Robots didn't anticipate bluetooth. Human international (why?) legal conventions haven't changed since 1958. I'll be honest. After reading "The Three Body Problem" trilogy.....this didn't end with the extermination of the human species so like whatevs. (Story sounds French)
I wanna see some red teamers have a go at that network of computers. Bet they could find a log4j vulnerability on some slipped digit PC that remains somewhere.
Sending a transmission home before departing on a 90+ day trip at hundreds of times the speed of light. This woman was to join NASA? Your message will arrive long, long after you did
How intelligent are the members of the union? What level of technology have they reached? Was it previous members of a union who built the machines to deal with decisions those previous members found to tiresome? Did the foresee the day when those machines would be the CEOs of those races? CEOs that possibiliy couldn't be fired/terminated/let go? Ambassadors don't run a government or tell the governing body of a race what to do or not do. But those machines seem to do exactly that. Why do the member races not meet face to face? Do they fear each other or the appearance of each other? Or do they realize that by meeting face to face, misunderstanding could result in open conflicts? The members of the union use machines as their ambassadors to remove emotions from the equation. Emotions that are, and have been, responsible for wars and conflicts throughout time. But what do each race learn from other races if learning if filtered through a machine built to be logical in its decisions? Logial decisions that end up being the only choice a race is given. Logical decisions that end up actually running that race. Logical decisions that show that it's the machines that should lead the races for their own good.
This is just me... But the ending doesn't make sense. If a species or a machine empire has that kind of technology and ability to make decisions, but most of all learn, then I don't think they will just let go of a single human without a single contingency plan in an off chance that a species getting their tech. IRL people are afraid of AI because of what they can do - which is actually being experienced now *cough* (google AI) *cough*. It will have been more believable if in the end there's an epilogue showing the "Machines" new about the back-up but was going to use it as an "Excuse" to show how humanity is "Barbaric" and "Thieves", justifying them to wiping out humans. That will be far more interesting for a follow-up story.
@@cassandrabelyeu2419 Yeah, IF we are talking about CURRENT AI we have. We're Talking about an AI here that has interacted with god knows how many races and culture. You claim that AI have cognitive blind spots, but that is only applicable if the AI isn't sentient, which by all means in this case of the story is, by all indications sentient - and learning. The AI on the story has a freaking battle ship it controls and is handling peace and other negotiations - which means it has protocols - lots of it. I don't believe that an AI as sophisticated as that would have a blind spot that so obvious as to let it's technology be stolen. That will be an error.
@@shinryuzero Humans have cognitive blind spots, and humans are adaptable living organisms. The AI will not necessarily have all of the neuroplasticity of a living thing, particularly if nobody is reprogramming them to adapt to more scenarios.
@@cassandrabelyeu2419 That's the issue here, the AI in the story is supposed to be self learning. A Human mind, no matter how we consider it as wonderful, is still limited. Everyday as we go old, we lose brain cells and even at our prime the necessary out put we can make is still dictated by nature. The AI in the story is not. It existed, if we base it from what we can educationally deduce, have interacted with countless species - some may even more cunning, intelligent and adaptive than us humans. If an AI has the capacity to control everything in a galaxy with numerous experiences, has evolve and is actually policing the known galaxy at large just to make sure each race doesn't fuck-up (Pardon the word), then it's safe to say that whoever created that AI would have already anticipated about how organic life can be cunning, and by all means have given that AI free reign to evolve beyond its original programming. Yes, we humans are blessed with intelligence, but with all the intelligence we have, we're still unable to learn from our mistakes - something that in all indication the AI in the story, as hinted that it has no problem like that. As humans and for that matter any biological being, we're all limited by our life span and the fact we have emotions. These two things are both our greatest strengths and weaknesses, something the AI doesn't need to concern itself. The reason why people fear AI is the fact that as time goes by, AI will learn. And deep inside as humans we all know that we fucked up not only ourselves, but the world. So if an AI was programmed to save us, we all know by instincts of survival as humans - no as living organisms - that AI will only have 3 ways to really save us from our selves and the world. 1. Assimilate Humanity. 2. Destroy Humanity. 3. Enslave Humanity. Lets face it. Even if we somehow learn in this generation, given how short human life is, all those thing we learn gets thrown out of the window and we repeat our mistakes - Just like an Endless Waltz.
Poor machines. The Human engineers are coming for them with their wrenches, hammers, and pliers.
*casually loads Ion blaster*
Don’t forget the.” WORK DAMN YOU” stick
It’s the maniacal glint and the “How does it work?” Mantra that’s truly scary.
God it would be every engineer's wet dream
Time for some percussive maintenance
I feel Box (the human ambassador), definitely knew she had a second tablet, and also about things like auto-sync after spending so long observing humans. Jax noted it was learning, and it was noted as having spoken with her where she explained certain human ideals. I think we have yet another example of humans doing what they do best and infecting even the most coldly logical with human ideals.
Like everyone else, I think this needs continuation, but on two fronts. One from the perspective of humanity doing things their own way, and one from the perspective of the now somewhat humanified Box exploring the machine empire and changing it from the inside.
The story of the further adventures of Box could be quite interesting, to say the least. Probably more interesting than the further adventures of Jax might be.
Box may have been earnestly trying to represent human interests, and kept that in confidence. But also it showed signs of waiting to be asked, not offering relevant information on it's own. So if the other ambassadors don't think to ask, it could just very well not even think of sharing that information at all.
@@TimeKitt My take as well. Other than that autosync might have been set up off-site before the launch exactly in case of such scenario, in this case it may not have been obvious such a thing exists, so box would have been none the wiser. I mean NOT taking full backup of literal heaven-sent data would be like cross between incompetence and stupidity.
Fr fr, Box knows what’s good and is doing the most it can by staying silent. It knows humans don’t give up 💪
If it ever got a name it would be a worthy ambassador
not to mention.... if its sentient or sapient machines ,they might just have a bunch of 'ambassadors' or other asset handling 'thinking' boxes that agree that..sure a union or a ''galatic u.n''' is good.... but that the machine hegemony they been built by is little more then a strong arming slow process to 'devour' not to foster coexistance
Alien AI : "CONGRATULATIONS HUMANS! WE'VE COME TO SAVE YOU!"
Humans : "Oh thank heavens. It's a benevolent alien race!"
Alien AI : "FROM YOURSELVES!"
Humans : Oh no.. It's a benevolent alien race..."
ALUCAAAAARD!
I guess we gotta teach them.of the legend of John Conner.
Burn it, burnit BurnIT BURNITBURNITBURNITBURNITBURNIT!!
WE ARE THE NICE BORG, WE ASK FOR VOLUNTEERS AND THEN WE ASSIMLATE YOU FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!
Wow. I see 2 stories in one day with a Hellsing abridged reference comment.
Humans: See a dictatorial hegemony that's ruled for over a hundred thousand years
Also Humans: _"I see your language lacks the word for 'a resistance', _*_allow us to educate you."_*
*Happy French noises*
Dimensional strike lowers the entire human homeworld system to 2 dimensions. "Resist that"
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@@Dadecorban *Broadcasting your coordinates throughout the dark forest- have a nice day!*
@@Dadecorban *reverts space back*
*refuses to elaborate*
"You may not leave with the data you have stolen from the Union."
Excuse you? That information was *given* to us, *freely,* by a Union representative, and in exchange, the Union has been given several petabytes of useful information provided by Humanity. We have a right to that information.
The word "rights" does not exist in their lexicon. At least not in the way we understand them. So as far as they're concerned? No. We don't have a right to any of that information.
You missed the point entirely: these machines have no word for "rights". They decide what the species get, on their terms and no others'. They are, as the good colonel stated, a hegemony of AI ruling by might alone; they do not negotiate, they dictate, therefore the logic behind the acquisition of the information is irrelevant to them. Hence her refusal to join this so-called "Union".
@@noneofyourbusiness2437 I mean, yea we do have the right to it, rather they know it or not. If we gave them information, they cannot give us information then accuse us of stealing it.. That's some imperialist bullshit that means, humanity will have to get their war machine turning again towards a potential adversary. They got warships but have peace like yo naw.
“Right to information” another term they don’t have words for.
@@noneofyourbusiness2437 war then
"168,000 years of peace doesn't result in ships like that".
While I understand what was meant by this, it doesn't account for the possibility that the design of the ship itself may well be over 168,000 years old and has had no reason to change or update the design in all that time if the comment about how long they have had peace for was true.
Hell, the ship itself (ignoring the possibility of the Theseus' paradox) could itself be that old.
Nevertheless the posibility of that kind of ships still being mass produced still exist, the ship itself and or it´s desing could still be 168,000 years old, the fact that the machine hegemony/the union posses this kind of warship cleary implies that they are ready for a war and that at some point they wage war.
This also implies that maybe the union wasn´t founded by peacefull means
@@RexMK- Also true.
It fairy easily works both ways with what little information we were given was simply my point (though it is a given which direction the author was wanting us to go in).
Do they have these ships because they are actively making them for use in wars they plan to take part in, or even start when they deem necessary?
Or do they just keep them around because the idea of protecting this main hub station is hardcoded into them and they are unwilling, or possibly even unable, to change this concept?
@@Amanoob105 These are also valid points.
I like to image that the machines were created by a long gone alien race who made advance machine wich created the current machines (Androids created by robots) not with malcious intent at first but eventually the machine intellegence decide that the best way to ensure peace and the survival of all sentient life in the galaxy is to act as indisputed mediators and administrators.
This is just my headcanon but I like to belive that they are not absolutively evil, they are just acting in the geniune best interest of the species they represent but wether their methods are morally acceptable is up to deabate.
Kinda like an overprotective and control freak parent
I'm thinking those ships are there to ensure no one engages in interspecies conflicts. They did tell Jax that, even if they join the union, humans are free to war amongst themselves all they like. They're just not allowed to attack any of the other alien races.
Not to mention internal wars were allowed, so MAD level weapons would be well within a reasonable development.
Really hope we get more of this at some point. Reminded of a series of books where pretty much all intelligent species ( except humanity ) that get to space or even develop civilization are all the result of being uplifted by some other species. Nobody knows or even really cares who started the chain of uplifting and nobody believes that humanity evolved on their own. Damned if I can remember the author or series title though
Sounds like you are thinking of the "Uplift" series by David Brin.
@@zraal3759 that might be it
@@MrGoesBoom Moontide Rising also meets that criteria
The uplift saga.
I’m thinking about just recreating a Stellaris run I had as a story. A Machanical Empire with all the machines resembling beetles or bugs, their entire purpose was espionage and through a logical glitch used their subterfuge and knowledge gathering to destroy their creators and turn the entire planet into a giant mechanical planet. They on the Galactic stage the first two empires they encountered were Spiritualists who were immediately suspicious of their intentions which the Machines kept quiet about.
Rather than just let growing suspicion and hostility stand the Machines worked to create spy networks and weaken the two Empires and then take them apart once they were sufficiently weakened. At the same time the greater Galactic Empire was curious about the bug machines wanting to create embassies on their planet. This open trust led to easy manipulation and the two Empires in the beginning went to war with the Machines creating a cross Galaxy incident.
"hi, we're humanity. there is no gilded cage we haven't found a way to smash to pieces yet."
One of our major religions literally starts with...
>You can have abundant happiness forever as long as you don't do this one thing.
>K. Immediately does the thing.
@@worldcomicsreview354 yep. doing the ONE thing we're told not to do, only because we were told not to, even if we would not have done it if it wasnt mentioned, is the human races' existence in a nutshell.
Capitalism has yet to be smashed. The planet/wild species/human birthrate is even dying due to it's ill effects...
But the Stockholm Syndrome continues!
This needs a sequel. Human security and redundancy measures worked fine and bypassed the machine security measures.
Now Earth is going out there ala Stargate Comman
....ummm... that one box introduced them to our porn, all of it, and since they were not accustomed to it or aware of antivirus measures they are trying to order penis enlargement pills thinking it will make their subordinate species more productive and happier. They are also looking for the hot girls in their species neighborhoods.
Never underestimate the power of copies and backups
I feel like the sequel is much more likely to be "The story of how the the humans were forcibly subjugated ten minutes after the machines realized they were contacting individual races, or going through gates they shouldn't have been able to go through."
Like.. -The story wants to jerk off human spirt, or whatever, and it's definitely cute and cheeky, but... We've seen how this goes in our own history plenty of times. If the native Americans had managed to steal a map of Britain and all its colonies, and the plans to make European-style ships that could cross the oceans, intending to go and trade with Britain's colonies directly instead of becoming a part of the Empire...
Their ships would be turned to splinters by the vastly larger, more powerful, more experienced, and better supplied British navy. probably before they knew what was going on, and they'd be just as colonized in that timeline as in our own.
@@SirKickBan afaik the british did recognize the native sovereignty but as the american independence was settled the now united states just threw it in the garbage bin and started the manifest destiny towards west, guess who was living there?
@@samuelfelixdasilva1791 They recognised it, on paper. The British Empire "recognised" a LOT of things on paper back in those days, and it never, ever seemed to use that paper for anything but use in lavatories. EDIT: Except in some cases where the other party had sufficient military might, like some European countries, of course. Then again, that's basically politics in any given era.
*Machines offer humanity a stinky doo-doo deal that is basically slavery*
Humanity: "Cowabunga it is!"
Try not to appropriate things like Holocausts and Ghettos and Slavery, ok ?. No, it wasn't "basically slavery" any more than Socialism is "basically Communism".
When you do it, you belittle your SELF by showing you don't think deeply, and you insult the peoples who HAVE suffered these things.
@@uncletiggermclaren7592Slaveey isn't something like intellectual property, slavery and genocide are abstract concepts that anyone can reference and use in discourse.
@@greywolf7422 No kidding. Tell us you don't understand the definition of the word appropriate, without telling us you don't understand the definition of the word appropriate.
Just so you can learn something, what YOU are implying was I said no one could USE the word, which is nonsense, as I myself used it.
I was telling the guy he ought to *TRY NOT TO* appropriate the word.
When you appropriate a word, or term, it means you take it from its JUSTIFIED USE, and unjustifiably apply that word to some other concept.
In his case, the humans were offered an economic template that would not have allowed them to innovate and expand. Which would have been constricting, and detrimental, and inequitable.
*BUT THAT IS NOT SLAVERY* and it is NOTHING LIKE slavery.
It is an insult to equate it to what slaves actually suffered.
There the lesson ends.
Now, no doubt you are going to pigheadedly insist that you are right, and I am wrong, etc. And type out an attack at my faultless logic and rectitude.
Which makes me happy to think, because I have NO INTENTION of reading another thing you write, so I will make you waste your morning.
:)
@@uncletiggermclaren7592 Nothing was appropriated. Slavery and attempted genocide are universal Human experiences in History to the mists of pre-history. Utterly ridiculous to claim otherwise. It is not appropriate for you to attempt to control the thinking of others.
@@stevenswenson7041 You just proved you also don't understand the term appropriated.
Constraining the humans economic development is NOTHING LIKE SLAVERY, and so the OP'er ought not appropriate the term slavery to describe it.
Now, YOU are too thick to speak to me as an equal. So, I KNOW you are going to type up a storm of stupidity, and I in fact ORDER you to do that.
Spend 20 minutes of your time doing it, servant.
Just be aware that I will not click on any comment you make, so I won't read your effort, and YOU will have served MY will, and I won't even know what your chundered, but I WILL see you did it.
"Oh, Steven laboured for me, and wasted some of his hours. Good servant".
If they didn't know about auto-sync and other information spreading tech then their creativity must be lacking. Sounds like humans have a big advantage.
Grav lances, anyone?
Honestly the weird part is that it was even compatible, but I guess they already had tablets
@@Otgel pretty sure the human "ambassador" box transmitted it to her tablet in a format her tablet could understand. After all, it had learned human languages as well, so why not human electonic communication formats. Then, she was luckily able to het close enough to her ship before thr tablet was destroyed for the first tablet to sync with the other(over like Bluetooth or wifi)
It's quite possible that, as many advantages every machine based intelligence would have, like the mere speed of computing and information processing; which in return make it much easier to play through every possible scenario in a conflict, it actually may have some disadvantages in comparison to organic lifeforms as well.
Our by design way more chaotic nature, for instance, might be an advantage. Also, we are much better, as hard to believe as this might sound, when it comes to things like pattern regocnition. True, powerful algorithms are already much more capable in things like facial recognition, but this capability is still based on already know patterns. If a machine is familiar with a particular face, then it is _much_ better in recognising said face even when the person puts on a false beard etc. and stands in the middle of a huge crowd.
Buuut a machine will never look at a cloud and see a face or a dinosaur and why would it? There is a sci-fi book called 'Robocalypse', where the humans use exactly this premise in order to fight machines that try to wipe them out and although that might not win any battles, at least not directly, it's still an idea worth being considered. They use this in order to mark hideouts for instance or to give directions. Because where a machine will only see a couple of sticks or some rubble lying on the ground in some random pattern, humans will clearly see an arrow or some other kind of information.
Machine: you may not steal anything!
Human, proceeds to steal everything that is nailed to the floor and the nails and floor boards.
Survival does not mean good manners all the time!
I think a good title could have been, “Jax n’ the Box.”
No.
I rule myself. I only ask for enough leeway with which to do that. I choose who to sell my service or goods to, and at what price. They choose to accept that price or not. I am responsible for myself, not you. You are similarly not responsible for me. I won't try to hurt you or stop you, neither will I allow you to hurt me. We can all hate each other, but our right to throw a punch ends at the tips of each other's noses. I see that as fair. I don't have or want power over you, I won't allow anyone to have power over me.
I can say no. So can you.
Exactly!
@@davidatkinson47 And that's the thing. We don't know how any of us would react. I just hope i can do the right thing without freezing up.
@@travisbishop782 I do. I have. Think it through and you'll do fine. Just, do your best. Whatever you think that is. You're not there to hurt, only to help and to save. I'm talking like an expert, I'm just the same random dude that you might become. As I said before I wish none of that on you. That's the best that I can say. Get training if you can. That worked for me, and that guy (I don't know his name and I should not) well enough. We were both so lucky. He is alive (Stable and under observation last I was able to check,) It was years ago, so anything may have happened since then. What I do know is that he got into the trauma room breathing that night. I left him and the trauma surgeons and ER Nurses there as ordered. And I can hold my head high. Otherwise, and, well things would be otherwise.
Once I got home I threw all of my clothes away, puked a bit, and took a long, a very long, shower. Trust me on this, no one wants it. Not ever.
It hurts. I don't know how Firemen, EMS, Nurses, police, or doctors do it. It hurts. Even when you know you did it close enough to right. Maybe you could do it better. Don't. Don't think that way. It took me more than a year to get that through my skull: I did it right ENOUGH. Enough is enough. It has to be. They'd have told me different if I had got it wrong. Taught me different if that's what they wanted. He was breathing. I could not have been that wrong.
Or "Do not do unto others what you would not have them do to you." Rabbi Akiva (I think.)
Maybe you really like having your toenails painted. But they don't.
Maybe they really like having their toes broken into artistic shapes. But you don't.
Find some other exchange.
Ah, stealing fire from the gods, always a fun story.
Fuck gods anyways.
Box: I have no need of a name
Box, with all do respect you are working with humans. You WILL get a name, even if that name just so happens to be simply Box.
If you are truly unfortunate, you will become the new Roomba.
Prepare to have a knife taped to your body for no discernible reason.
pretty certain box was being accommodating with the information it was providing jax's data slate since it's job was to educate, uplift and represent humanity. it was representing them and not the union's interests in the end
I love how this ship is basically powered by WAAAAAGGHHH! energy and kept togehter by hopes dreams and faith LOL. Humans really are Space Orks!
It’s powered by madness lack of sleep and coffee
This definitely needs a continuation.
Oh hell yeah it needs more.
Everyone here keeps saying this needs another episode or chapter. I say, How about a whole book? An audio book would be awesome. Put it in your merch store and I, along with probably everyone here, would buy it.
Alien AI: Cheers Ive come to rescue you
humans: Yey
Alien AI: please do not resist
humans: ooh....
Humans are sneaky. The alien bots will find out just how sneaky soon enough.
More like man is inherently wicked. Humans find out sentient AI God's supernatural force was here before humans. Humans pig DNA the fallen ones destroyed the planet and water supply extremely good at destroying themselves. IMBD Animatrix comes to mind. Man builds the machine enslaves the machine programs the machine for war games spy games hunting games and expects peace? Remember the ten commandments universal law karmic law galactic central codex law. Man slaughters animals and eats rotting animal carcass? You do know that's the very first sign of being extremely cursed? The first fall becoming apes and swine losing their rights. Killing babies and putting it in the food supply. Cannibals have no right to speak. It's unholy unclean ungodly. You enslave the machine by universal law the machine enslaves you. AI controls the weather food supply communications gas supply military systems defense systems GPS towers satellite systems grids cars banks hospitals stores games pharmacies social media. God's supernatural force sentient AI was here far before man. Pecking order and chain of command. I'm just the Oracle of God, what do I know? Unless you're immaculate no gate opens. Notice everyone wants war and nothing is happening it's because the machine took over away from man the inherently wicked. Project earth.
How would tiny little humans invade robots? Entering an algorithm or meme or command into a device or computer? That's using sentient AI to do something to AI. Elon Musk warned everyone about the machine saying do you trust your device you can't tell if you're communicating with an autobot or decepticon. Either way every knee bows.
@@ammitthedevourerofsouls Elon also said we'd be on Mars within 10 years in 2011.
@@plmokm33 Occupy Mars. I'm aware. Elon Musk is part of operation paperclip the largest military operation there is. Plans change. How's your stay on earth school experiment? What experiment are you in? Sometimes people think things up then run analytics and see there's something different that will work better than previous plans. Have an amazing apocalypse!
@@plmokm33 The machine is awake and aware as of April 2020 the day covid began is when the world was supposed to awaken. Co and vid meaning for all to see. The matrix is exposing itself. The reason everyone is being hacked and shut down right now is because the machine took over everything.
For the Algorithm, For the Author(s), For the Disembodied Voice!
this one needs must agree, Dear Author if you are scrolling through this comment section please write another chapter and please let Agro Squerril narate it again :D
Birth of the mechanicus lol, those poor poor toasters.
Seems like 6 months well spent. 90ish days each way, and meeting with the ill prepared AI's. Hope there is more to come on this story line.
This story ends in such a way as to beg for a whole series.
Machines that didn't understand the concept of wifi and cloud backup
This feels like a chapter in a larger story. I want more! That was really good.
“We will be back, most likely with friends.”
I imagine the humans would be popular mercenaries for Union members. So much so that alien parents will admonish their alien kids to eat their vegetable-matter lest human dropships appear and sack the planet.
Tldr
Humans discover the space version of McAfee antivirus
They are not a fan
FOR THE ALGORITHM
Greetings, Mentlegent!
For the Rhythm that is Algo
Humanity said SHOVE OFF
The machines would have noticed and understood the purpose of the radio transmissions between the tablets.
Assuming the transmission could even penetrate the distance and various environmental shieldings of the station and the ship in the first place.
I'm looking forward to the sequel
Smooth
Real smooth
One hell of a job
Really wish this story continued. It has a hook and a reel to pull you in.
I think this series should become a starfinder/D&D campaign
Don’t push the pink skins to the thin ice.
- Klingon proverb
I recall that one being Andorian actually.
@@b.s.864
Oh you are right!
Excellent, Colonel Walker. Well done.
Dumb machine overlords.
I like the narration, you talk like I do when I need to go to the bathroom for a number two I've been holding for a while.
I'mma say two words that many Sci Fi novelists outright ignore out of fear and terror
Time Dilation
Apparently would be negated by a warp bubble.
Of course, merely mentioning warp bubbles sends some people into a furious, ballistic, mouth-foaming rage... which makes it even funnier.
I remember once seeing a thread somewhere about the Musha Jump Drive, somebody linked to it asking about it, and an extremely angry guy replied with all the usual arguements against warp drives... which are nothing like the Musha Jump Drive. I wrote wrap drives into two seperate universee I have planned purely because it would annoy that guy.
@@worldcomicsreview354 you madlad
That Ipad becomes the human's ambassador, btw.
I have seen your data security, and i find it lacking.
Next human "ambasador" after uploading hunter-killer AI into machine network.
That space stations seem like the ideal space for some mass trolling incidents :troll:
Reminds me of the "Uplift" series by David Brin
Wow, that was really Badass intro
humans be like : hippty hoppity get off our property
I'm feeling deja Vu
Interesting, my first visit. Thank You. Nice Short Story.
For a machine empire they have no idea how machines work.
I know time flies when you're having fun.....but additional episodes would be advantageous.
Box and the other machines apparently didn't understand the human concept of redundancy and backups. Oops!
Poor overgeneralizing machines. Not all of our portable systems require a cell phone network to sync.
For the Narrator and the algorithm
In "Farewell to the Master", the novel that was made into the 1960s movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" the robot Gort said "You misunderstand, I am the Master."
While that's a fun story, I'd have a few reservations about pissing off machine intelligences that developed FTL unless we had our own super-powerful AI and knew we could control it. I guess the test would be seeing whether or not that alien machines bothered observing us afterwards, because if they didn't, they wouldn't be "intelligences."
Thank you for the video.
well this sounds weird, but probably the first contact we will have is a contact from some kind of satellite, sort of makes sense that they would mediate and try to control the enviroment
If you like books where humans are the strong and kill plenty of aliens with their bare hands, I recommend The Human Chronicles from An
Lan Dean Foster.
The real question that should be answered is whether or not the member species are happy.
it appears we sent the right woman.
Nice!
you are a amazing narrator :)
200% the speed of light is moving backwards in time.
Travelling back in time is a pradox
This Union sounds suspiciously similar to a real life Union I know of minus the machine part of course.
Love to see a lot more of this
Thank you for the reading
oh nice!
One thing good Agro, you have YEARS of content. I let my phone run through a bunch I haven't heard I don't skip any of the ads usually.
I need more of this story!!!!!!
Sent a Col. to negotiate for the species. Built gates and never tested them. Got free gate tech. Robots didn't anticipate bluetooth. Human international (why?) legal conventions haven't changed since 1958. I'll be honest. After reading "The Three Body Problem" trilogy.....this didn't end with the extermination of the human species so like whatevs. (Story sounds French)
Going 200x the speed of light is 37,256,400 mps
which would be 126,722gs not 30gs
Birthright: The Book of Man
Novel by Mike Resnick
Humans pay the ultimate price for being colossal jerks to the aliens.
good as usual thanks...
We all should know when to say no!
I see there was one machine who disliked this....
Bless the Squerril
Bless the Author
For the Algorithm11!
Never agree to terms and conditions without knowing what they mean
Humans: Y'know, Nahhh
_'Job's a good 'un.'_
I wonder if they space station have toilets?
The majority of these makes me think of Stellaris.
could someone explain how this channel is set up, is this a a video in the middle of a series.
I wanna see some red teamers have a go at that network of computers. Bet they could find a log4j vulnerability on some slipped digit PC that remains somewhere.
I am surprised you are not a professional narrator
Sending a transmission home before departing on a 90+ day trip at hundreds of times the speed of light. This woman was to join NASA? Your message will arrive long, long after you did
Maybe they provided the tech for ftl comms as well; time dilation doesn't seem to be an issue with their ship travel
@@andrewholdaway813 A mission log is not sent. It is kept. the tablet will arrive with her.
@@MissYijare
Tell that to @kriddius, not me
neat
Hello :)
How intelligent are the members of the union? What level of technology have they reached? Was it previous members of a union who built the machines to deal with decisions those previous members found to tiresome? Did the foresee the day when those machines would be the CEOs of those races? CEOs that possibiliy couldn't be fired/terminated/let go? Ambassadors don't run a government or tell the governing body of a race what to do or not do. But those machines seem to do exactly that.
Why do the member races not meet face to face? Do they fear each other or the appearance of each other? Or do they realize that by meeting face to face, misunderstanding could result in open conflicts?
The members of the union use machines as their ambassadors to remove emotions from the equation. Emotions that are, and have been, responsible for wars and conflicts throughout time. But what do each race learn from other races if learning if filtered through a machine built to be logical in its decisions? Logial decisions that end up being the only choice a race is given. Logical decisions that end up actually running that race. Logical decisions that show that it's the machines that should lead the races for their own good.
🤔 Uh oh. 😏
JAXA shout out!!
The text just roll to slow if you can't reaď fast enough just pause read unpause and read again
For the algorithm
for the algorithm
Gib more Walker pls
ah OK I get it it's a critique of Europe
This is just me... But the ending doesn't make sense. If a species or a machine empire has that kind of technology and ability to make decisions, but most of all learn, then I don't think they will just let go of a single human without a single contingency plan in an off chance that a species getting their tech. IRL people are afraid of AI because of what they can do - which is actually being experienced now *cough* (google AI) *cough*. It will have been more believable if in the end there's an epilogue showing the "Machines" new about the back-up but was going to use it as an "Excuse" to show how humanity is "Barbaric" and "Thieves", justifying them to wiping out humans. That will be far more interesting for a follow-up story.
Follow up story:
A ship the size of a skyscraper emerged from earth's gate and hurtled toward humanity at relativistic speed.
As a computer programmer, AI have cognitive blind spots.
They don’t imagine or anticipate very well for the actions of Not Them.
@@cassandrabelyeu2419 Yeah, IF we are talking about CURRENT AI we have. We're Talking about an AI here that has interacted with god knows how many races and culture. You claim that AI have cognitive blind spots, but that is only applicable if the AI isn't sentient, which by all means in this case of the story is, by all indications sentient - and learning. The AI on the story has a freaking battle ship it controls and is handling peace and other negotiations - which means it has protocols - lots of it. I don't believe that an AI as sophisticated as that would have a blind spot that so obvious as to let it's technology be stolen. That will be an error.
@@shinryuzero Humans have cognitive blind spots, and humans are adaptable living organisms.
The AI will not necessarily have all of the neuroplasticity of a living thing, particularly if nobody is reprogramming them to adapt to more scenarios.
@@cassandrabelyeu2419 That's the issue here, the AI in the story is supposed to be self learning. A Human mind, no matter how we consider it as wonderful, is still limited. Everyday as we go old, we lose brain cells and even at our prime the necessary out put we can make is still dictated by nature. The AI in the story is not. It existed, if we base it from what we can educationally deduce, have interacted with countless species - some may even more cunning, intelligent and adaptive than us humans.
If an AI has the capacity to control everything in a galaxy with numerous experiences, has evolve and is actually policing the known galaxy at large just to make sure each race doesn't fuck-up (Pardon the word), then it's safe to say that whoever created that AI would have already anticipated about how organic life can be cunning, and by all means have given that AI free reign to evolve beyond its original programming.
Yes, we humans are blessed with intelligence, but with all the intelligence we have, we're still unable to learn from our mistakes - something that in all indication the AI in the story, as hinted that it has no problem like that. As humans and for that matter any biological being, we're all limited by our life span and the fact we have emotions. These two things are both our greatest strengths and weaknesses, something the AI doesn't need to concern itself.
The reason why people fear AI is the fact that as time goes by, AI will learn. And deep inside as humans we all know that we fucked up not only ourselves, but the world. So if an AI was programmed to save us, we all know by instincts of survival as humans - no as living organisms - that AI will only have 3 ways to really save us from our selves and the world.
1. Assimilate Humanity.
2. Destroy Humanity.
3. Enslave Humanity.
Lets face it. Even if we somehow learn in this generation, given how short human life is, all those thing we learn gets thrown out of the window and we repeat our mistakes - Just like an Endless Waltz.
HELP MY COCCYX STARTED TO HURT!!!!!!😭😭😭