@@ttewi how about when the demon turned up to scare Lillie into the hole, followed by the Judge commenting on Cif's "intervention" by way of a "little push", when the two are chatting at the end of Lillie's run? Or the image of the demon that appears when you sign Cif's brand in a suitable room? And the arrangement of the demon's horns matching Cif's horns in their humanoid form? Or even just the four-eyed statues that turn up a lot in Cif's realm, much as the other statues are representative of the other lords' monster forms? Heck, with what you say, it sounds like you've not FOUGHT Cif in DIS, since she gets admin privileges there and calls up this demon form to fight the player - I would personally say that the four-eyed demon is Cif's representation of themselves, even if their "true" form is easily halted with one sword swipe.
@@MrSmegheneghan you could argue the projection is something Cif made up because her true form was too lame but personally I think the bedtime story implies the demon existed before her and the projection (and her human form ig) is based on it
@@spidermacho123 you can hit Cif's options, the left and right things that cast some of the spells. Except whilst one just sorta gets stunned when hit (letting you cancel a spell), the other one will completely halt the fight. Cif's background explains why this is the case.
Now granted, there's so much incredible art out there I have not yet experienced, plenty of which I never will. But out of everything I *have*...some friends of mine who put me on the game said as they watched me approach this moment "I don't want to over hype this, but this next room you're about to enter might have one of my single favorite moments in any video game I've ever played." ...and I don't want to over hype it, but this might have been one of my single favorite moments in any video game I've ever played. The synthesis of the game's mechanics and theming up to this sudden twist is out of this world. Incredibly done. Thank you so much for this game.
I hate that I got the cheese faster than most others here. This isn't a flex, I was looking forward to seeing what Cif was trying to tell me, only to wipe her out on the third try and cut her story short.
i thought i was the only one, considering its a character i find interesting, it made me feel like i messed up this badly when i found out there were other ways you could take this fight lmao
Cif has an existential crisis while I die 4000 times in the background. Great boss, the animations and variety of attacks were really surprising after the comparatively simplistic Tan Mon and Bee fights. That was probably intentional seeing as Cif turned on creative mode right before the fight started. I do feel kind of bad for taking the easy way out in the end, but I also wanted to actually finish the game in under 1000 hours.
"Long time ago..." Absolutely incredible song, made the literal hours worth of attempts trying to get past so much more bearable. It's just impossible to be salty when 1:28 kicks in. Even if that last input was rude and uncalled for and very slightly upsetting to fall victim to. Shine brightly, you glorious evening star.
I remember when I beat this boss for the first time I killed the little tadpole thing on the right (actual Cif) relatively quickly completely by accident. What happened was I somehow went back into the mentality that I could only pick up one block at a time, and when I attacked big demon Cif thing, the number 0 showed up and I thought that meant I was doing 0 damage lol, so I just went for the winged tadpole thing on the right since that seemed to be where a lot of attacks were coming from. Then I find out you can actually attack the big demon thing I think. So cool that there are a ton of different ways to approach a fight
The merchant right before this fight tells you to use the staff instead of the sword. Did they know about Cif's true form and knowingly mislead you? Cif takes many, many different forms in the game, but you only ever see her true form at this end of this route or at the end of route C. Interestingly, the only time Cif is honest with her genuine feelings for Add or Bee is when the game reveals her deception.
Sorry Cif. All your realization, sadness and growth. It's nothing in face of my determination. You never stood a chance. I think that's why there's the monologue at the beginning. Cif knows it cannot stop us. No matter how many times we die, no matter how many times she goes apeshit in her second phase, not matter how many time passes. Eventually, we'll find out or in She will burn out. She's the last line of defense, fighting a hopeless battle, and she knows it. In any other game, that'd be a heroic sacrifice. But she's no hero.
@joaogrrr Looking back I think Cif was evil, she had her own agenda and lev was also trying to take out Cif too if she could, the fact Cif knows Gray is Add and yet still fights her absolutely incredible how she really did have too much pride.
Aww, the youngest is trying her best! Let's see if "Go have a bath" is still effective! All jokes aside, what a beautiful melody -- awesome and profound, from the introduction piano in 5/4 to the DIS solo at 1:28. A beautiful theme to a truly unique encounter.
BURNOUT ON FIRST PLAYTHROUGH LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (It was by choice, not ignorance. MY choice.) (I have put my faith in me and outlasted nothingness itself.)
@@QJrocks Their minds are so frail. So volatile. So misguided. So easily frustrated. They're lost. And even then... Their dreams are filled with stars. Time and time again...
Back when we first unlocked soundtest I was convinced that Cif and Gray’s battle themes being the only two tracks titled in Suomi that there was some deeper meaning. Now that we know that both Ninnie tracks are also titled in Suomi I am very confused.
@@QJrocks I mean... She's the only other character that is named in the void besides the void lords and playable characters, ANNNDDD her name being Ninnie from Lillie, it's very suspicious
It’s funny seeing this, because if anything, Gray’s battle theme is the outlier. Cif and Ninnie are connected (A = 1, C = 3, L = 12, N = 14) but neither seem to link to Gray. Perhaps the connection is Ninnie being to Cif what Gray is to Add, in a sense?
@@EndlessWords-qs2di nah, I meant a connection between these two characters as in “Gray is Add and Cif is trying her hardest to live on in Add’s place”
I lost my shit when the game went real-time mode on me and she obliterated the UI. Actually doing the fight gives me an aneurism since you can only get hit once and I'm horrible at timing grid-based movements against SHMUP-style bullshit.
There are two types of people in the world: those who burn out, and cowards. Jk you can play however you want this theme is hella fire tho 5/4 will never be bad
i found the easy win by accident bc i assumed i had to interact with Cif's monster form in some way and just so happened to slash the correct one first lmao-- i didn't assume it was a survival round
@@MajokkoMoonie I was more under the impression that Lily was the closer correspondent. A good chunk of her themes (including an upcoming one) have various nods to Despair's theme, Erasure directly comments on the two's resemblance, and their stories are inversions of the other - (Spoilers for both ZeroRanger and Void Stranger upcoming, if it's not obvious) Despair was sent out to the depths of space to destroy humanity's foes. After defeating her, you must go back to the very beginning to settle things once and for all, ending Despair's existence to save earth. Lily voluntarily heads out to the depths of the void to protect the person she cares about. After rescuing her, you team up with her to head back to the very beginning to settle things once and for all, with Lily being the one saved in the end. Maybe I'm just overthinking it, but it's also a nice thought knowing that at least in some timeline, there's a Despair getting to live out a happier life.
@@QJrocks Yes, I was one of the very first people to push that comparison/connect that together, but that doesn't make Cif being equivalent untrue. The Lotus Jewel mural near the end of the reveal trailer places Cif in the same spot as Despair, and a certain ending as Cif gives you a unique start screen of her memory state, which is the same 7 - the same 7 as her brand. Lily IS pretty clearly a reincarnation of the woman who would become Despair, but within the terms of how the power was distributed, Cif is the correspondent to Despair despite being primarily a Dori correspondent otherwise, funnily enough fulfilling her original purpose of becoming FINALBOSS as was planned in ZeroRanger before Stage 4 was added.
@@MajokkoMoonie Ah, gotcha. I can't really deny that there's some sort of link between Cif and Despair, what with Cif sharing Despair's iconic hand and sword attacks. (Also, Cif outright saying that the void lords are beings of endless despair probably has some sort of meaning.) Out of curiosity, though, when was Despair associated with the number 7? I can't recall anywhere in ZeroRanger that says that, and Despair's attacks all use various Sanskrit numbers. I suppose you could infer it from Erasure having 0 and the different weapons being numbered 1-6, but I'm not certain if there's a more direct thing I'm missing.
TFW you spill your Danmaku all over your Sokoban.
Can't believe Cif's glasses were a hint to who the four-eyed demon really is...
The four eyed demon is not the actual Cif in this fight though
@@ttewi it's representative of Cif, given that it only appears when Cif is around.
@@MrSmegheneghan the demon is shown twice without confirmation that Cif is around, emerging from the comet in Gray's bedtime story and in the trailer
@@ttewi how about when the demon turned up to scare Lillie into the hole, followed by the Judge commenting on Cif's "intervention" by way of a "little push", when the two are chatting at the end of Lillie's run? Or the image of the demon that appears when you sign Cif's brand in a suitable room? And the arrangement of the demon's horns matching Cif's horns in their humanoid form? Or even just the four-eyed statues that turn up a lot in Cif's realm, much as the other statues are representative of the other lords' monster forms?
Heck, with what you say, it sounds like you've not FOUGHT Cif in DIS, since she gets admin privileges there and calls up this demon form to fight the player - I would personally say that the four-eyed demon is Cif's representation of themselves, even if their "true" form is easily halted with one sword swipe.
@@MrSmegheneghan you could argue the projection is something Cif made up because her true form was too lame but personally I think the bedtime story implies the demon existed before her and the projection (and her human form ig) is based on it
I spent 7 hours on this fight only to realise you can kill it in the first 10 seconds
wait, how?
@@spidermacho123 you can hit Cif's options, the left and right things that cast some of the spells. Except whilst one just sorta gets stunned when hit (letting you cancel a spell), the other one will completely halt the fight. Cif's background explains why this is the case.
@spidermacho123 m.ruclips.net/video/IjlNgQq66E4/видео.html&pp=ygUNVm9pZCBsb3JkIGNpZg%3D%3D
ILTATÄHTI translates to EVENING STAR, very fitting given the context of this fight. Poor Cif…
Especially fitting given Cif is short for Lucifer, aka the morning star
Actually I feel bad for all the void lords but Add had to cut them all down including her own special creation cif and lev.
Thank god I played Chrono Trigger
Yeah? Chrono trigger was awesome :)
BRO WAIT
Now granted, there's so much incredible art out there I have not yet experienced, plenty of which I never will. But out of everything I *have*...some friends of mine who put me on the game said as they watched me approach this moment "I don't want to over hype this, but this next room you're about to enter might have one of my single favorite moments in any video game I've ever played."
...and I don't want to over hype it, but this might have been one of my single favorite moments in any video game I've ever played. The synthesis of the game's mechanics and theming up to this sudden twist is out of this world. Incredibly done. Thank you so much for this game.
I hate that I got the cheese faster than most others here. This isn't a flex, I was looking forward to seeing what Cif was trying to tell me, only to wipe her out on the third try and cut her story short.
i thought i was the only one, considering its a character i find interesting, it made me feel like i messed up this badly when i found out there were other ways you could take this fight lmao
Cif has an existential crisis while I die 4000 times in the background. Great boss, the animations and variety of attacks were really surprising after the comparatively simplistic Tan Mon and Bee fights. That was probably intentional seeing as Cif turned on creative mode right before the fight started. I do feel kind of bad for taking the easy way out in the end, but I also wanted to actually finish the game in under 1000 hours.
"Long time ago..."
Absolutely incredible song, made the literal hours worth of attempts trying to get past so much more bearable. It's just impossible to be salty when 1:28 kicks in. Even if that last input was rude and uncalled for and very slightly upsetting to fall victim to.
Shine brightly, you glorious evening star.
smack bug :)
I can't believe she hit me with the Drakengard move.
I remember when I beat this boss for the first time I killed the little tadpole thing on the right (actual Cif) relatively quickly completely by accident. What happened was I somehow went back into the mentality that I could only pick up one block at a time, and when I attacked big demon Cif thing, the number 0 showed up and I thought that meant I was doing 0 damage lol, so I just went for the winged tadpole thing on the right since that seemed to be where a lot of attacks were coming from. Then I find out you can actually attack the big demon thing I think. So cool that there are a ton of different ways to approach a fight
I wasn't able to shine as bright as you.
P.S. Bossay.
The merchant right before this fight tells you to use the staff instead of the sword. Did they know about Cif's true form and knowingly mislead you?
Cif takes many, many different forms in the game, but you only ever see her true form at this end of this route or at the end of route C. Interestingly, the only time Cif is honest with her genuine feelings for Add or Bee is when the game reveals her deception.
Sorry Cif. All your realization, sadness and growth. It's nothing in face of my determination. You never stood a chance. I think that's why there's the monologue at the beginning. Cif knows it cannot stop us. No matter how many times we die, no matter how many times she goes apeshit in her second phase, not matter how many time passes. Eventually, we'll find out or in She will burn out.
She's the last line of defense, fighting a hopeless battle, and she knows it. In any other game, that'd be a heroic sacrifice. But she's no hero.
@joaogrrr Looking back I think Cif was evil, she had her own agenda and lev was also trying to take out Cif too if she could, the fact Cif knows Gray is Add and yet still fights her absolutely incredible how she really did have too much pride.
Aww, the youngest is trying her best! Let's see if "Go have a bath" is still effective!
All jokes aside, what a beautiful melody -- awesome and profound, from the introduction piano in 5/4 to the DIS solo at 1:28. A beautiful theme to a truly unique encounter.
the cif motiff (2:00) is so underappreciated, wish there were more songs that had it
tmw you spend 3 hours fighting and then you find the easy way
BURNOUT ON FIRST PLAYTHROUGH LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(It was by choice, not ignorance. MY choice.)
(I have put my faith in me and outlasted nothingness itself.)
Am I the only one that hears the Zeroranger boss theme at the beginning
No, I hear it too
Alexa, add dis song to my favorites playlist
"Hey, Cif?"
"Yeah?"
"I... I-" *death sfx*
Add...
Long time ago, you created me and my sisters.
Nurtured us.
Guided us.
You made us immovable.
Everlasting.
So that we'd be able to continue your work...
Manusya.
@@QJrocks
Their minds are so frail. So volatile. So misguided. So easily frustrated.
They're lost. And even then... Their dreams are filled with stars. Time and time again...
They reach for them, fruitlessly.
Repeating their mistakes.
Even in death.
Oh that track name is goddamn perfect.
Sick Chrono Trigger Reference
I want to say this song is amazing, but it keeps making me flash back to the countless times I got to phase 2 only to get ganked in 5 seconds.
Back when we first unlocked soundtest I was convinced that Cif and Gray’s battle themes being the only two tracks titled in Suomi that there was some deeper meaning. Now that we know that both Ninnie tracks are also titled in Suomi I am very confused.
Clearly, this means Ninnie was secretly a Void Lord all along!
@@QJrocks I mean... She's the only other character that is named in the void besides the void lords and playable characters, ANNNDDD her name being Ninnie from Lillie, it's very suspicious
It’s funny seeing this, because if anything, Gray’s battle theme is the outlier. Cif and Ninnie are connected (A = 1, C = 3, L = 12, N = 14) but neither seem to link to Gray. Perhaps the connection is Ninnie being to Cif what Gray is to Add, in a sense?
@@EndlessWords-qs2di nah, I meant a connection between these two characters as in “Gray is Add and Cif is trying her hardest to live on in Add’s place”
What if Ninnie is related to a future System Erasure game?
I lost my shit when the game went real-time mode on me and she obliterated the UI. Actually doing the fight gives me an aneurism since you can only get hit once and I'm horrible at timing grid-based movements against SHMUP-style bullshit.
Fun fact this was only few of the parts of the entire game that moves in real time regardless of how you move.
There are two types of people in the world: those who burn out, and cowards.
Jk you can play however you want this theme is hella fire tho
5/4 will never be bad
i found the easy win by accident bc i assumed i had to interact with Cif's monster form in some way and just so happened to slash the correct one first lmao--
i didn't assume it was a survival round
Technically all the void lords were holding back their true powers so we don’t see all their true forms but it’s interesting.
Most intense 10 seconds of my life
Spent like half a day bashing my head into the CIF wall to realise ... there is a much easyer way.
You are my sunshine...
Took 2 weeks to clear this one, without knowing proper way to cheese...
EZ boss, only took me a few thousand attempts.
Cif, deleting my HUD might be cool, but I'm pretty sure it's cheating.
I think just about everything they do in this fight is cheating tbh
Do you think Cif’s attacks being like despair is because Erasure told her about her sister?
What I gathered is that it's because Cif corresponds to Despair in the Void Stranger timeline, both being represented by the Sanskrit numeral for 7.
@@MajokkoMoonie I was more under the impression that Lily was the closer correspondent. A good chunk of her themes (including an upcoming one) have various nods to Despair's theme, Erasure directly comments on the two's resemblance, and their stories are inversions of the other -
(Spoilers for both ZeroRanger and Void Stranger upcoming, if it's not obvious)
Despair was sent out to the depths of space to destroy humanity's foes. After defeating her, you must go back to the very beginning to settle things once and for all, ending Despair's existence to save earth. Lily voluntarily heads out to the depths of the void to protect the person she cares about. After rescuing her, you team up with her to head back to the very beginning to settle things once and for all, with Lily being the one saved in the end.
Maybe I'm just overthinking it, but it's also a nice thought knowing that at least in some timeline, there's a Despair getting to live out a happier life.
@@MajokkoMoonieIt’s more likely that she’s using DIS power, and DIS is Primeval Fighter which makes up a part of/was piloted by Despair
@@QJrocks Yes, I was one of the very first people to push that comparison/connect that together, but that doesn't make Cif being equivalent untrue.
The Lotus Jewel mural near the end of the reveal trailer places Cif in the same spot as Despair, and a certain ending as Cif gives you a unique start screen of her memory state, which is the same 7 - the same 7 as her brand. Lily IS pretty clearly a reincarnation of the woman who would become Despair, but within the terms of how the power was distributed, Cif is the correspondent to Despair despite being primarily a Dori correspondent otherwise, funnily enough fulfilling her original purpose of becoming FINALBOSS as was planned in ZeroRanger before Stage 4 was added.
@@MajokkoMoonie Ah, gotcha. I can't really deny that there's some sort of link between Cif and Despair, what with Cif sharing Despair's iconic hand and sword attacks. (Also, Cif outright saying that the void lords are beings of endless despair probably has some sort of meaning.)
Out of curiosity, though, when was Despair associated with the number 7? I can't recall anywhere in ZeroRanger that says that, and Despair's attacks all use various Sanskrit numbers. I suppose you could infer it from Erasure having 0 and the different weapons being numbered 1-6, but I'm not certain if there's a more direct thing I'm missing.
I'm new to this, this one is in 5/4, right?
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