2019 Audi eTron - Coast to Coast
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In the spirit of cross country high speed record setting, think Canonball run, KBB's sister site Ride.Tech (watch their e-Tron cross-country video here • NYC to LA in an Audi E... ) thought it would be a "wise" idea to drive an Audi e-Tron coast-to-coast, testing both vehicle as well as the high-speed charging network from Electrify America. KBB's Micah Muzio was dragged by his luxurious hair into the effort. Watch it now. You know you want to.
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If you had to cross the country quickly in an electric car, which would you choose?
ID 4, coming soon.
The all electric mustang Mach E.
Model 3 please.
I DID cross the country in an electric car (there and back,) a Model 3. I wouldn’t do it any other way after that experience, though admittedly I did a long road trip, not a hard-charge.
I would like to do it in a tri motor Cybertruck when it comes out. 500 miles on a single charge, Woo-hoo
Ugh, sounds like torture. Interesting trip, and glad you did it.Thanks for the video.
It's rude that people with gas cars insist on parking at the charging stations at Walmart. They should be more strict and have security patrol and threaten to tow. At least a big bright sign that says electric cars only. I'm sure people know but just don't care.
Put the chargers in the very back of the parking lot. Nobody will block those spaces cause so many are lazy and want to park close to the store entrance.
@@adogg619 You have to run the electricity to the chargers. That is why they tend to be close to the building; copper and trenching is expensive. But they could put all the controllers and hardware out in the rear of the parking lot then the chargers could go there.
Get over it. EVs are congesting the HOV lane all because environmental wackos in government think it'll save the planet.
The public paid for the big portion of your electric car through tax subsidies anyways. Don’t be so rude.
Walmart is the problem. Go to Target instead.
You have just experienced being homeless , where's Sheryl Crow when you need her. lol
My parents just bought an e-Tron and I’m so excited because we’re taking our first trip down to Charleston SC from Wilmington NC. Hopefully all goes well!!!
what a waste of cash. should've gotten a model x.
Filip TM The current version of the Model X is very outdated. Yes it is a little bit more efficient than the e-Tron, but because of the slow charging speed it’s slower on road trips. Also it’s more expensive and the interior quality is basically shit. Don’t get me wrong I had a Model X, it was a great car, but to buy it instead of an e-Tron is really a waste of money. Especially with the new, more efficient version of the e-Tron, coming to the dealerships this January.
Lorenz Müller I couldn’t agree more. When you get inside it is much more comfortable and much better materials. Also my family likes to be a little different and wouldn’t buy a car just because of the brand. They didn’t want to be like every other EV owner with a Tesla
dont charge above 90%, it is just a waste of time
@@filip3148 model X is ugly as hell.
Thanks bro , but I think It was a very tiring trip، the hybrid is the best
Micah, PLEASE ANSWER: What was the total cost you paid for electricity to go 3,055 miles? Thank you.
The answer would be nearly meaningless if comparing to an ICE. EVs aren't hit with road taxes. Meanwhile, an ICE that weighs the same pays its entire share of road taxes.
@TCD most states are now taxing EVs annually to recoup the road tax. It’s built into annual registration costs.
@@MarkBraggs The taxes they collect aren't nearly enough. These are 5k and 6k pound vehicles. A similar weight ICE would be taxed at about $700 a year or more in many places. In the few states where they actually slap road taxes on EVs, it's a small fraction of that. Mind you, it's not just "road" taxes that set the price of gas, there also cap and trade, and there's also emission taxes on top of that to support subsidizes of "clean" transportation. It's not even close to a level playing field. We'd all all be paying $1.xx/gallon if not for government's hand.
TCD So if we are going by weight, semi trucks should pay massive taxes correct?
@@MarkBraggs They do, per gallon. We call them "gas taxes" or "fuel taxes", but these are really just road taxes that pay for our roads. A semi truck would pay thousands in taxes each year, and that's how it should be. SInce there's somewhat of link between weight, road wear and consumption, we tax ICE cars based on fuel consumption.
Well, since EVs are so much heavier than normal ICE, they should not only be taxed more than they are now, they should be taxed even more than the ICE cars simply due to their weight. Seriously, a Porsche Taycan Turbo S and a Tesla Model S P100D weigh more than an base level F150! Is it fair that an F150 pays more in taxes? Of course not.
Man Tesla really is a decade ahead of everyone else aren't they
Nope, it's not that much different with tesla, there are more charging points but that's about it.
@@danyellhenrique I don't know man, seems like much of the problems they was having would not have been an issue if they was driving a Tesla. It just not about having more changing points, the experience is what helps solidify their advantage. Plus with their advancements in drive train, you'll get much better range than what this vehicle can do too so the OP is not wrong actually. The experience speaks for itself.
@@Xemnas103 I speak from experience, the time to charge is long, some superchargers do it faster than others, range go down if you use air cond, and other stuff.
@@danyellhenrique I have an Model X and a Model 3, and I felt the same way before the 150kW unlock for the model 3. Honestly I hesitate to take my X on long road trips just cause the 3 charges much faster. Also these guys were stuck charging at 26kW at one point, that's insane to me.
A decade head start plus fully committed to electric, hence their fast-charge network currently infesting the planet.
The Tesla Fanboys/girls are on full throttle
I love road trips since I get to see the sights I want whenever I want. This video just reinforced my reasoning why I will never buy electric, my limited free time is too valuable to waste it charging.
Etron is a luxury city driver, not a roadtripper. There were just proving the point that it could be done if necessary. There are other electric options that would be much better than etron, and save you time in the long run. (Charging at home versus stopping for local fuel). Don’t discount that.
When you got to the end and started to mention a better way to do it, I fully expected you to say "In a Tesla Model 3 LR" or something similar. 170 real-world mile range must make a cross country trip painful. The Model 3 LR would easily get another 100 miles per charge. 50% longer range makes a big difference in a long trip like that. I also feel the current Supercharger network is superior to the Electrify America one. But I give total credit to VW for rolling out the EA network, and to Audi for taking the plunge with the e-Tron.
MJ Howson, my friend with a Model 3 LR made a cross country trip early in the summer and between going the normal pace of fast lane interstate 75-80mph and using the percentage of battery that can actually charge quickly around 80%. The effective continuous range of his Model 3 was about 220miles. He felt he stopped about twice as often and twice as long on each charging stop as he felt necessary for food, bathroom and stretches. I think EVs need at least 300 miles of “effective” range to be well suited for long distance travel. Around town city driving they are amazingly efficient.
@@NasaRacer So, going over the speed limit and "filling the tank" to only 80% decreases range? Yup. Same with an ICE car. I have a model 3 LR and disagree with your statement that it only has an effective continuous range of 220 miles.
Well we used to have a 55mph national speed limit for just that reason because it saves a lot of energy. But you try driving that speed on the freeways where you live and let me know how that works out for you. Second the rate of adding range to a liquid fuel vehicle is linear where with an EV battery charging the rate slows drastically over about 80% charge. So my friend on his trip found at a Tesla Supercharger it took nearly the same amount of time to charge from 10% to 80% as it does from 80% to 100% that combined with the fact that Superchargers aren't nearly as prevalent as gas station meant he was normally anywhere between 10%-20% each time he stopped to charge at a Supercharger during continuous long distance travel. He would then charge to about 85% and get back on the road. So that effectively means he was only using as little as 65% of the total battery capacity. But it was still the best way to cover the most miles in the shortest amount of time. Don't even get me started on how your range falls drastically if you want to run the heater as they talked about in this video. At least in a gas/diesel vehicle all the heat you want has very little if no effect on your range. Like I said EVs are amazing in certain use cases. (My mother has one for all city driving) but long distance high speed travel the technology still needs improvement.
@@NasaRacer We used to have a different speed limit? Batteries charge slower the closer they get to being full? WOW! Thanks, Captain Obvious!
@MJ Howson - Being generous towards a Tesla, official EPA highway range for a Model 3 LR is 318miles and assuming you hit supercharger spacing just right and pull in at 10% and charge until 85% when the speed of charging really slows. That gives you 75% usable battery capacity with reasonable charging times. That gives you 239miles of usable highway range. Then factor in that my friend traveled with the flow of fast lane traffic which was around 75-80mph opposed to EPA Highway testing which tops out at 60mph and that is how my friend consistently on a cross country trip from California to New York and back, would only get 220miles of "REAL WORLD" highway range between charging stops. So your estimate of 270 miles of real-world highway range for a Model 3 LR compared to the 170 miles for the Audi seems overly optimistic.
That car looks cool
All's I'm saying is at some point you kinda expected to see the car on the side of the road, burning, Jeff and Josh dancing semi-naked around a cactus dressed like Willie Nelson...and Micah laying on the ground, covered in mud, repeating: the horror, the horror...over and over again.
How much was the total cost for charging in all the places?
Repeat with a Model S Long Range?
In other words: If you wanna an EV, Tesla's still the boss.
@@matthewg.4238 consumer reports has it on their reccomendeds. Your looking at 2018's. 2020 have popping out improved ones.
Now try it again with a Model 3 LR AWD
Road trip it again with a Tesla vehicle and I’d be curious to know if your road trip experience would be more enjoyable.
You guys jumped on a grenade for higher knowledge. That looks like it sucked. Charge times and range will continue to be the bugaboo with electrics, making them ideal only for city driving.
I had a 69 vw. Had no heat in that car too.
Usable: Yes. Practical: No
patient 0!
1/3 the time was spent charging! Electric cars are not good for road trips.
It seems you had a better time than the TFL team did with the Model X towing video, actually better than most of the Tesla vids I've seen, but mainly because the charge times seem to be lower.
This is exactly the reason why Model Y with its supercharger network would win hands down -- against e-tron or other EV-SUV would be challengers
It's sad of VW to do that to that Audi .. Nonetheless it will never be a Tesla !!
Other EVs are garbage it seems...just go Tesla
Close to 33% of your trip time was spent charging up the car? That’s brutal!
Is there a reason y’all didn’t park correctly not once lmaoo
To make it easier for the tow truck.
You need to share a time and cost comparison if you drove a comparable Audi gasoline suv the same route!
C. Evans this should have been a 3 way test. Etron, gas q5 and a LR Tesla.
The cost consumption is meaningless in end. EVs are incentivized and aren't taxed like ICE cars are. Anywhere from $0.50. $0.75 of a gallon of gas is tax. That beyond other reasons would make a cost comparison unfair. Put a bigger battery in EV that would give equal range to an ICE, and how more expensive it would cost to operate an EV.
Felix from a purely personal budgetary perspective the cost would be helpful. But the bigger emphasis is the time. I’m curious to see the cost/ time comparison/ contrast.
@@middler5212 Just use Google and do the math. It takes about 40 hours of driving to go from NYC to SoCal. In an ICE, it takes 2 minutes to refuel a 20 gallon tank with a standard 10 GPM fuel pump. If you get 28 MPG, you would see a range of 560 miles. If you go 2,627.5 miles (Google estimate), you'll take less than 10 minutes of your time to refuel. That vs 21 hours charging an EV. So, with less time it takes to just charge an EV, you can go 1/2 way across the country in a normal ICE.
@@spamfried894 Totally valid point for all the people who only take 10 minutes worth of breaks on a 40 hour trip. Everyone else would probably make good use of a good chunk of the time spent charging. The reviewers mentioned charging up to 100% - not actually what you want to do to minimize time, as the last bit of charging is slower. They should have used an app to plan to trip and to advise them how much charging is needed between stops. However, given that this is such an expensive car, Audi really needs to work on closing the range gap with Tesla. An EV would still be more convenient for me though as during a year I'd avoid many more days of having to stop for gas or getting service done.
Any plans to redo the test with the most sold EV in North America of 2019? Audi e-Tron have such a small market share that it isn't helpful for the viewers to form an informed idea.
I have done a test roadtrip recently with a Tesla Model S
ruclips.net/video/tbO-77fYIPM/видео.html
Different experience compared to the less matured e-tron.
It's already been done and documented, many times. The point of this video is to make a demonstration for those who want an EV from a reputable car manufacturer.
@@MichaelHalcrow I'd argue that it's more representative for a more reputable news/media organization to conduct the test even if others have done before.
I will keep my gasoline powered SUV.
Should have taken a Tesla Model S with over 370 miles of range and an excellent charging network. The range of the eTron is awful and non-Tesla public charging stations are unreliable. Plus, who wants to stop at a Walmart?
you are way too honest about this......................
First, I've never heard anyone who managed to get the full 370 mile range out of a Tesla. Second, those Tesla chargers aren't in the best parking lots, mostly in any random lot rarely with any decent services, making Walmart an improvement. Also, i've seen videos on the Tesla charging network, they aren't as reliable as people like to make them out to be, not to mention DC fast charging is faster than the Superchargers. Finally, if electric cars are going to become big, they cannot all be from one brand. Other manufactures will need to make them and they will need to improve on the tech.
@@jhmcd2
No vehicle, ICE or EV, gets the EPA range unless you drive like a grandmother. You have to deduct about 20% to get the real number. The Supercharger that I use most often is in the parking lot of my supermarket. Very convenient. When traveling from NY to DC in my Tesla versus my previous EV, I’d argue that a supercharger in the parking lot of a Starbucks or a Barnes & Noble is much better than a public charger at a Walmart. Plus, Tesla Superchargers don’t sit broken for weeks like the non-Tesla public chargers do. You’re also incorrect about the speed of public DC chargers. Most are painfully slow, and nowhere near the 150KW speed of standard Tesla Superchargers. Tesla is quickly replacing these with faster 250KW Superchargers.
@@jhmcd2 Tesla superchargers charge at 150KW which is much faster than most non-tesla chargers
Upload your cross country video so we can see how it worked out for you.
You wanted to check the state of electric cars, but you didn’t use a Tesla? You would have spent less time charging and would have had much greater range. This is why you rarely see other brand electric cars in the US.
Electrify American is a joke 💩. As always EPA estimated is very spot on the Audi Etron 👍 Not sure why Porche is trying to cover their asses with Taycan EPA range of 204 miles. This is United States not Europe.
I’ll stick with Telsa lol
But for a Real Test use the systems like Heat and A/C normally. I hate when people do these EV tests, they turn off everything you'd normally use in a ride.. So No Real Test here.. Try again..
I wish the video was longer, with more details!!!!
Next time you want to drive coast to coast, hire a truck driver.
Well, diesel is still my favorite fuel.
Totally agree! At these speeds you can get about 800 miles in a new E220d. Mercs 2 litre diesel is amazing. Even their new inline 6 diesel. Diesel is simply the best type of engine to power a vehicle. It's torquey, efficient even in the city and has crazy range.
Why would anyone buy anything other than a Tesla if you want to road trip. What a nightmare.
Also, you guys are pantywaists! Lotta people drive Coast-to-Coast by themselves. Including myself a couple months ago in 4 days.
Pantywaists, eh?Just curious. Did you sleep in a bed during those 4 days?
Dude! Walmart has overnight campers - maybe even you could make friends! 😂
Yikes! What a disaster. Can't believe all those charging issues. Good thing they weren't busy. Imagine if people were waiting in line behind you.
Tesla: LA to Vegas
Audi: Coast to coast
Tesla Cybertruck: USA to Europe
Ford Mustang (Electric): USA to China
Tesla Semi: Earth to Mars
Electric cars are cool, but the tech is not quite there yet. Gas is still best, but hybrids are a great option.
What a miserable experience in a luxuary car...My $20k Nissan Sentra offer a much pleasant trip experience !!
Aaaand another missing the point. A flight would be even better, right?
LMAO
@@lukoradulic5340 Not at all. Road trips are fun, but range anxiety and sitting around charging would ruin that. Also, Flying is cheap and easy, if that's all you do. But once you're there, you won't have a car, which means you'd have to pay to rent a car or find some other way to get around. With that, driving can make sense.
Right now the only sensible way to drive coast to coast on electricity is with a Tesla. It’s great that Electrify America is putting all of these fast chargers into Walmart parking lots. But what is HORRIBLE is the reliability of these EE fast chargers is sub-par and it seems they don’t care about making their charging stations working and reliable. The “optics” may look good, but in reality they are nowhere near where Tesla is with their super chargers.
Electrify America is a fucking rip off lmao. Seriously, the Tesla supercharger network is LIGHT-YEARS away when it comes to reliability and efficient traveling. The etron range is a meme in itself, a model 3 with 325 miles of range it eats the etron for lunch....by the way you NEVER charge over 80% that's why you spent 21 hours charging lmao.
Look at the cost @ 3:15 because Micah can’t do math. Heard of Electrify America, cool they have fast DC charger network - but sounds like they need to update their equipment? Jiggle the connector like a running toilet whaaaat?! Plus according to charging screen they’re charging .26c per KWH which 20% more than the highest state cost (Mass.) of .22. A few states are even only .08c. What gives Electrify America?!
60 hour trip, 20 of which was spent charging. Not good. As comfortable as that car looks...not made for long road trips. Looks great for local driving or day trips. 175 miles real world range forces you to charge to full every stop (meaning long stops - charging from 75% to 100% takes longer than 0-75). A tesla is much more practical if road tripping is important.
I am sticking to my M3, thank you....Tesla is light years ahead of the others, starting with charging infrastructure alone. With all the constant upgrading, it's an iPhone on wheels!
Love to see a RS model of this Audi
Would be neat if you guys did a comparison of the cost and time it would take for a comparable Tesla (maybe the X 100kWh pack)
I did a 500 mile trip in my non Tesla EV on the busiest travel day of the year and I saw one other EV at the charger.
Trey So our experience wasn’t exceptional. Good to know!
@@MicahMuzio Depends on where you live. Here in Québec, there's ALWAYS an EV at a charging station. Sometimes you even have to wait... I'd be glad if we had Electrify America chargers in our Walmarts lol. Instead, Electrify Canada started implementing chargers in Ontario which has at least 5 times less EVs than we have
hi from Russia Sibir Tyumen) great video 👍 as always
Not that you're anxious to (ever) repeat this experience, but I'd love to see a do over with a Tesla. 👍👍
How much did you spend on electricity?
um yeah pass
What is the time when you drive with tesla?
Almost no difference.
@@KyleHubb No, there would be a considerable difference.
The Tesla:
A) More efficient
B) More range
C) Can charge at the same rate
Which means it gets more range for less time charging than you get in the e-tron.
Record is something like 45-48 hours
A Model X 2020 Long Range would have taken 8-9 hours less, and a total of 154$, says abetterrouteplanner.com - You can use that web service to play around with various routes and cars and see the differences.
@@KyleHubb Highly doubt that. More chargers and more stable charging speeds, longer range, and higher efficiency would cut a lot of time off.
Thanks for getting Collective Soul stuck in my head now ya jerks!
I understand the desire to make this a story, but how many people are driving their ICE cars across the country regularly? I would guess that most "long distance driving" for people to go visit family etc on a holiday weekend would call for maybe one or two charge cycles at most each way? I don't feel that range or recharge time is the be all end all way to evaluate a vehicle like an EV.
It doesn't matter. I don't want to own a second, third or fourth car just so I can travel the distance. Besides, this is all theory. In reality, you can't even charge an EV from 0-100% on a regular basis, even if it allows you to. It would degrade the battery much faster. I would never own an EV if I drive a couples hours one way on a regular basis or even on an infrequent basis, never mind across country.
Should’ve had a Audi Q8 doing the same trip to see the difference
Etron literally translates to shit for the French... not that far off imo
And this is why other vehicle manufacturers won’t be able to catch up to Tesla: lack of dependable charging infrastructure
Absolutely!
@@tgr.4550 Tesla Charging isn't that dependable either. It might be "fast charging", but real-world charging times vary. It can take an hour or more to charge at some locations.
I can't do 170 miles
My acura gets 400 miles per fill so I'd have to charge this 2 or 3 times a week
Range anxiety! But I really want a electric car one day
I’d rather have a gas car 😂
So you can cross the country in 40 hour-ish? I have always thought it would take far more than that.
Now come to think of it you're right
40ish hours of driving. That doesn't include stops for food, restrooms, sleep, etc. It takes me good part of week at human's pace.
Have they done this in any Tesla???
An AUDI sponsrd comercial. SAD
Most people don't have patience for the nuances of electronic cars. I would like to get where I'm going in as few stops as possible.
This just shows how terrible the electric car situation is. Car and charger not communicating? WTF?
We need ONE standard. One that is future proof. Like next 50 years future proof. And ALL electric cars, including Teslas need to support it. I should be able to get in my electric car in Europe, drive to the edge of the ocean, park on a ship, get off at New York and drive to LA with my car.
Alternative title: Why Tesla is the best electric car company in the world. At a charge rate of 600mi/h, a Tesla doesn't need to charge for more than 5 hours in total for the whole 3000mi trip.With the V3 it's gonna be more like 3 hours. 20 hours is a frickin joke.
51 mph average speed, counting charging, is not bad. If you had stopped at a hotel with a J-1772 charger, you could easily have gotten 200 miles of range while you slept.
Well guys that’s a road trip
I suspect that many electric car owners are also people who... attempt to shun large corporations. Which is interesting that the only place they could charge the car might be at Walmart. You can hate these big box stores but man you just cannot get rid of them.
The CSS charge connector sag you had shouldn’t be happening, if the EVSE vendor had followed the right protocol on polymer usage.
Sadly these electrify America chargers are lesser than a year old and they are failing. If you are short on range and not just doing this for a challenge there should be fall back.
A more robust connector anyone?
id like to see how well a EV will do driving up the Alcan to Alaska, in winter .
I never do a drive like that. But, I have done thousands of 1 hour, 1 way commutes. It would have been an absolute joy to have skipped hundreds of days of stopping for gasoline, allowing me to get home sooner. And Tesla's advanced driving assistance features would have left me more rested after the drive. A technology doesn't have to be perfect for all scenarios to be useful for a lot of people.
You parked like stereotypical audi drivers. Learn to park.
I can easily live with hybrids cars ( like Toyota Prius ). But driving electric cars long distances is a headache. Why can’t we have swappable battery in car?
Yeah its not ready for me. I want to be able to just get up all the sudden and be able to gobfrom new york to cali without "planning" and with ease.
Until then im gonna stick with gas cars
Damn, you guys looked miserable. Nice looking car, I'd buy a gas version if they made it until they get the range up into > 350 miles.
Thanks for the road trip guys, bugger that sitting at a charging station the majority of your road trip goes to show how useless electric cars are on long trips, and there only made for the city.
Poor souls that will be reviewing that car after three dudes just basically camped three days in it with nothing but walmart
Pretty cool road trip!
Um, that's exactly how truck driver training is done. Lol
The noise in the background of the video is so annoying, sounds like rusty nails on a swing set! 4:00 anyone else hear that?
Is it coincidence that you start and finish with the old Cannonball Run route?
I think EQC will be much better maybe..💫💫💫
Only in SoCal or inner cities can you drive a full electric car.
Electric car range at those speeds are awful. Wow. Towing a caravan with a 2 litre diesel let's you see double that range. And that is TOWING. Diesel cars are the best form of engine for powering a vehicle. It's not fair that they've been vilified by all the over exaggerated news about diesel. Modern diesels are very clean.
Great video Micah! Did you have fun?! 😂
This is the future, charging every 2 hrs, thanks Greta. Now bring me my TDI with dinosaur grease.
Ikr
I don't think these were tube socks.
Hydrogen cars > electric
Damn yall really tested this car. Good job
haha I was close to buy that one but the charging side was what backed me up... maybe soon if they better range.
You'd have to quadruple the range and triple the charge rate for an EV road trip to begin compete with an ICE road trip. That's not going to happen in the next decade or so.
I hope KBB sent this video to Audi!!!!
Howdy, awesome video as always, 😸😻😸
Electric cars are a lie😩