the rifle instruction technique was simplified sometime after 2005. For example: back in basic training in 2002 we had 4 different drills on how to clear a malfunction (as shown in the video), later it was reduced to 2. One thing I noticed is that the slings are not lengthened with paracord, which is a thing we already did back in 2002.
@@DaletheStgwDude there were a couple other changes, but since I threw away all my old manuals I can't really help you there. You easily find them at gunshows though
en 2005 dans l'infanterie j'ai appris: 1. tap, rack, ready (defaut percussion ou ejection, se regle les deux de la meme maniere) 2. bloquer l'arretoir de culasse en arriere, changement de magasin, fermeture de la culasse (defaut d'alimentation) 3. tourner buse rotative en diagonale (encrasement, gel) 4.bayonette au canon et se preparer au nahkampf (arme totalement inutilisable)
C'est un excellent fusil d'assaut. La 1ère fois que je l'ai utilisé, lors du tir fédéral de 2004, c'est la société de tir qui me l'a prêté. À 300 mètres, j'ai fait 20/20 touchés, 67/85 points.
Great subtitles. Thanks for making our instructional videos understandable to a larger audience. However there never was and never will be any rifle denominated “M90” - this is an invention of yours.
Couple of comments and addendums, for those interested: 1:29 Rifles shown in this film are of the standard production SG 541 pattern with modified receiver magazine stabilizing pressing. The earlier versions had stress concentrations that led to cracks. 2:49 The open-handed grip method is strange and doesn't seem to reflect the current state of training. To the best of my knowledge, the practice was inspired from US principles, abandoned in 2003 in favor of a natural grasp, despite persisting in military manuals. 3:44 Idem with the index finger magazine catch actuation. Very strange. 4:15 Note the use of the old pattern dummy Gw Pat 90 (Manip Pat) of solid brass. This was later replaced with injection-molded orange plastic with an aluminium base. 9:02 Note that pragmatically, this drill can be replaced outright with a simple "tap-rack". 11:42 Good argument for a floppy bipod with no locking function: more durable in the field 14:11 Note the "15m" instead of the narrated 50m. The German version and the manual confirms that 50m is the correct distance. 18:00 The militiamen seem to be unfortunately negligently pointing their firearms very close to the neighbors' feet. 18:52 *Malfunction 1, sorry for the mistake.
oh and on the topic of the open palm "grip": i saw it in the offical manual and i assume people have been copying that. i tried to explain it to people multiple times that a firm grip is better but then they revert to "muh manual" then again, a warrant officer wanted to tell me once that a bullet drop occurs because a projectile flies upwards becasue of the spin and not because the barrel is angled upwards compared to the line of sight
I had to teach that open handed "grip" style in 2010 as a sergeant. I knew virtually nothing about shooting back then, but it struck even me as odd. Its in the manual, though, so I figured theres some sense behind it. Nobody could give me an answer though and since I couldnt answer my recruits questions about it either, we all decided to ditch that style and only use it when some higher ups that cling to the manual were checking in on us. Now 12 years later, I can firmly say this grip style is not only weird and senseless, but can be downright dangerous.
@@schussfreudech I frankly don’t understand it either, I don’t see any advantage to palming it, only disadvantages. Weirdly enough, the pre-NGST manuals show a much more natural grasping of the handguard. Strange!
@@DaletheStgwDude In 2017 the colonel in charge of the school pressed us to do it by the manual even though everybody else was against in, including the PzGren major attached to our RS to teach exactly that type of training. As far as I was told the flat palm is supposed to help with accuracy by avoiding pressure on the handguard due to the non free floating barrel as well as well as preventing conscripts from "jerking" the offhand and thus the accuracy of the shots, due to naturally trying to compensate recoil, I thought this could have made sense in the long distance ranges when we really didn't shoot that much rapid fire but basically that. It seems like a very situational grip used universally. I confirm that that way of holding the rifle is still the standard practice in the FLAB/DCA but I have not seen anybody else use it, Feldis from outside the flab that end up with us always tell us they find it weird.
Thank you for posting this! Really love the content you share and hope to see even more on the Stgw90 in particular going forward alongside your stgw57 uploads. Please keep up the excellent work!
This is incredible, it surpasses movies, games, and even reality by far. I used to be a Vietnam Black Beret, but isn't this movement amazing? The movement is amazing, everyone watch! Such intense training habits are ingrained in them. Back when I was a Black Beret, I don't know if I could have won in battle. But this amateur video shows soldiers with such a high level of perfection, it's amazing. I've never seen anything like this, not in Vietnam, Israel, or even in America 🇺🇸
17:00 Another difference to later training (at least in the infantry) is the fire position of the soldiers. After body armour was introduced to the fighting troops, the shooting position was to front face the enemy. By this you would have the full protection effect, while facing sideways would mean you'd expose the "not armored" side. It was quite the task to teach older soldiers to change this during repetion courses 😂
I don't know why but between me half-understanding the awful Swiss-German and the grunt at 14:30 straight up MISSING the target- this video was pure comedy to me. Also the music is great wtf
Another nice translation. Thank you Dale. Had to do a double take on the camo pattern. For a moment I thought it was US Army European. But both that and this Swiss pattern were designed for central Europe so it fits they are similar.
Dale if you could do a deep dive on this rifle I think the videos would be a big hit because these guns are rare and expensive in America just like the STG 57
In 1990 we were the first battalion that was issued the Fass90. At the time there was some confusion on the manipulation of the new rifle. In the mid 1990 our association, ASSU Mendrisiotto e Basso Ceresio, was part of the development and introduction of what was to become the NTTC (Nuova Tecnica di Tiro di Combattimento), developed from the teachings of the Taylor practice.
De mémoire, les preceptes de chuck taylor on été adapté pour le fass90 par le col. Bäriswil et Perotti sauf erreur, ce qui a donné naissance à la NTTC (aujourdhui IT) et aux TAI (technique action immediate)
@@raphaelglauser3508 exactement ça, avant que la technique fut adoptée par l'armée des membres d'associations ont participé aux cours donnés par Bäriswil et au Tessin ces cours ont étés transmis par ASSU MBC. Plusieurs instructeurs militaires et des corps de police on eu leur introduction à ces techniques de tir Taylor pendant ces formations.
Though I don’t wish for conflict or war, the Swiss military is the one military I’d like to actually see go into a combat environment to see how it handles itself because its so foreign in regards to being a purely defensive force.
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the rifle instruction technique was simplified sometime after 2005. For example: back in basic training in 2002 we had 4 different drills on how to clear a malfunction (as shown in the video), later it was reduced to 2. One thing I noticed is that the slings are not lengthened with paracord, which is a thing we already did back in 2002.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing
@@DaletheStgwDude there were a couple other changes, but since I threw away all my old manuals I can't really help you there. You easily find them at gunshows though
@@Kampfhamster81 I think I have the Probeausgabe for the Stgw 90 NGST manual. I’ll check later
@@DaletheStgwDude also sent you a hint on a private channel
en 2005 dans l'infanterie j'ai appris:
1. tap, rack, ready (defaut percussion ou ejection, se regle les deux de la meme maniere)
2. bloquer l'arretoir de culasse en arriere, changement de magasin, fermeture de la culasse (defaut d'alimentation)
3. tourner buse rotative en diagonale (encrasement, gel)
4.bayonette au canon et se preparer au nahkampf (arme totalement inutilisable)
C'est un excellent fusil d'assaut. La 1ère fois que je l'ai utilisé, lors du tir fédéral de 2004, c'est la société de tir qui me l'a prêté. À 300 mètres, j'ai fait 20/20 touchés, 67/85 points.
Great subtitles. Thanks for making our instructional videos understandable to a larger audience. However there never was and never will be any rifle denominated “M90” - this is an invention of yours.
Yes absolutely.
To be fair, « assault rifle 90 » doesn’t exist either and sounds strange to me. I decided to take a liberty here.
Couple of comments and addendums, for those interested:
1:29 Rifles shown in this film are of the standard production SG 541 pattern with modified receiver magazine stabilizing pressing. The earlier versions had stress concentrations that led to cracks.
2:49 The open-handed grip method is strange and doesn't seem to reflect the current state of training. To the best of my knowledge, the practice was inspired from US principles, abandoned in 2003 in favor of a natural grasp, despite persisting in military manuals.
3:44 Idem with the index finger magazine catch actuation. Very strange.
4:15 Note the use of the old pattern dummy Gw Pat 90 (Manip Pat) of solid brass. This was later replaced with injection-molded orange plastic with an aluminium base.
9:02 Note that pragmatically, this drill can be replaced outright with a simple "tap-rack".
11:42 Good argument for a floppy bipod with no locking function: more durable in the field
14:11 Note the "15m" instead of the narrated 50m. The German version and the manual confirms that 50m is the correct distance.
18:00 The militiamen seem to be unfortunately negligently pointing their firearms very close to the neighbors' feet.
18:52 *Malfunction 1, sorry for the mistake.
i do the index finger mag release too. i works really well when you have small hands
oh and on the topic of the open palm "grip": i saw it in the offical manual and i assume people have been copying that. i tried to explain it to people multiple times that a firm grip is better but then they revert to "muh manual"
then again, a warrant officer wanted to tell me once that a bullet drop occurs because a projectile flies upwards becasue of the spin and not because the barrel is angled upwards compared to the line of sight
I had to teach that open handed "grip" style in 2010 as a sergeant. I knew virtually nothing about shooting back then, but it struck even me as odd. Its in the manual, though, so I figured theres some sense behind it. Nobody could give me an answer though and since I couldnt answer my recruits questions about it either, we all decided to ditch that style and only use it when some higher ups that cling to the manual were checking in on us.
Now 12 years later, I can firmly say this grip style is not only weird and senseless, but can be downright dangerous.
@@schussfreudech I frankly don’t understand it either, I don’t see any advantage to palming it, only disadvantages.
Weirdly enough, the pre-NGST manuals show a much more natural grasping of the handguard. Strange!
@@DaletheStgwDude In 2017 the colonel in charge of the school pressed us to do it by the manual even though everybody else was against in, including the PzGren major attached to our RS to teach exactly that type of training.
As far as I was told the flat palm is supposed to help with accuracy by avoiding pressure on the handguard due to the non free floating barrel as well as well as preventing conscripts from "jerking" the offhand and thus the accuracy of the shots, due to naturally trying to compensate recoil, I thought this could have made sense in the long distance ranges when we really didn't shoot that much rapid fire but basically that.
It seems like a very situational grip used universally.
I confirm that that way of holding the rifle is still the standard practice in the FLAB/DCA but I have not seen anybody else use it, Feldis from outside the flab that end up with us always tell us they find it weird.
Thank you for posting this! Really love the content you share and hope to see even more on the Stgw90 in particular going forward alongside your stgw57 uploads. Please keep up the excellent work!
This is incredible, it surpasses movies, games, and even reality by far.
I used to be a Vietnam Black Beret, but isn't this movement amazing?
The movement is amazing, everyone watch!
Such intense training habits are ingrained in them.
Back when I was a Black Beret, I don't know if I could have won in battle.
But this amateur video shows soldiers with such a high level of perfection, it's amazing.
I've never seen anything like this, not in Vietnam, Israel, or even in America 🇺🇸
17:00 Another difference to later training (at least in the infantry) is the fire position of the soldiers. After body armour was introduced to the fighting troops, the shooting position was to front face the enemy. By this you would have the full protection effect, while facing sideways would mean you'd expose the "not armored" side. It was quite the task to teach older soldiers to change this during repetion courses 😂
2:55 the music is very 1990s, love it 😂👍🏻
Danke Dale fürs Hochladen, die Erinnerungen kommen hoch (Sommer RS 2003 / Singer Finger 😉)
C'est jamais trop tard pour apprendre!
Thanks Dale. I appreciate and enjoy these videos.
You’re welcome! Glad you enjoy! Two more parts to come!
Another fantastic upload! Thanks Dale! 👍
I don't know why but between me half-understanding the awful Swiss-German and the grunt at 14:30 straight up MISSING the target- this video was pure comedy to me. Also the music is great wtf
Great in this video show the "real" mud conditions
That open palm support hand grip seems like a modified form of support used by the masochists that do high power service rife competitions.
I think that’s where the inspiration came from!
Another nice translation. Thank you Dale.
Had to do a double take on the camo pattern. For a moment I thought it was US Army European. But both that and this Swiss pattern were designed for central Europe so it fits they are similar.
Good work on the subs, Dale-man
Thanks! This one was a bit more challenging than previous ones, because of the on-screen text.
Dale if you could do a deep dive on this rifle I think the videos would be a big hit because these guns are rare and expensive in America just like the STG 57
Thank you for your hard work!
Real interesting that shoot to wound and warning shots were an official part of guard doctrine.
In 1990 we were the first battalion that was issued the Fass90.
At the time there was some confusion on the manipulation of the new rifle.
In the mid 1990 our association, ASSU Mendrisiotto e Basso Ceresio, was part of the development and introduction of what was to become the NTTC (Nuova Tecnica di Tiro di Combattimento), developed from the teachings of the Taylor practice.
De mémoire, les preceptes de chuck taylor on été adapté pour le fass90 par le col. Bäriswil et Perotti sauf erreur, ce qui a donné naissance à la NTTC (aujourdhui IT) et aux TAI (technique action immediate)
@@raphaelglauser3508 exactement ça, avant que la technique fut adoptée par l'armée des membres d'associations ont participé aux cours donnés par Bäriswil et au Tessin ces cours ont étés transmis par ASSU MBC.
Plusieurs instructeurs militaires et des corps de police on eu leur introduction à ces techniques de tir Taylor pendant ces formations.
これは、凄い、映画とかゲームとか現実とか遥かに超えてる。
俺もとベトナムのブラックベレーだけどこんな動き凄く無い
動き凄いぞ、皆んな見ろ
凄え訓練の癖が染み付いてる。
そら昔のブラックベレーの俺なら戦いに勝つか知らないが
こんなアマチュアのビデオがこんな完成度高い兵隊凄え
見た事が無い、ベトナムでもイスラエルでもアメリカでも🇺🇸
good . thanks
More good history preserved on the internet.
Though I don’t wish for conflict or war, the Swiss military is the one military I’d like to actually see go into a combat environment to see how it handles itself because its so foreign in regards to being a purely defensive force.
those damn pouches! i hated them! And as you can see here, closing them is the one action that actually takes the most amount of time.
A perplexing design for sure
@@DaletheStgwDude knowing we are the inventors of velcro makes it even more ridiculous
Did the m71 helmet the soldiers are wearing saw combat
Technically no Swiss militiamen saw combat in Switzerland, so no.
@@DaletheStgwDudewas the m71 exported to other countries or used by milita groups in Yugoslavia
🇨🇭💪🏻
All of us in the US watching them throw $250 magazines on the ground.
Must be why the seem to emphasize securing the magazine pouch lid before getting back into the fight after a magazine change, lol.
It costs you about $25 if you lose your magazine.
Die Musik ist geil :D
ทัพไทยเริ่มชัดเจนก็จะเป็นมาตรฐาน
Kei Splischu?
Absolutes Neff
9:21 le web va être terrible 😂
do the french speak swiss
@WebmsJU sounds like french.
Funny Swiss war language is German and instructional language is French
French, German and Italian dubs exist.
It’s not. We have four linguistic regions and one army.