AD Twisted Fate got MASSIVE CHANGES. 2 LOADED DICE, W CRIT DAMAGE, E WORKS ON TOWERS AND MORE.
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
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Riot said that they were looking to make the game more fun instead of making it 1000% competitive all the time and I think that's so damn great! Hope to see more changes like this in the future to other champions with funky build options
When’d they say that? They’ve been supporting funky stuff since at least the zed and brand jungle changes lol.. people just don’t play funky stuff, they want to win
24:20 I think the total gold hustled includes the amount critically hustled, so it's not 924 + 148. I think. If so, then it seems pretty reasonable. 924 - 148 = 776; 776 / 203 = 3.8 avg gold per minion, which, if the die is weighted towards 6, make sense, since a regular d6 averages 3.5
EDIT: This doesn't account for kills, which would be 924 / 220 = 4.2 avg gold if total and total critical are separate. Or 776 / 220 = 3.5 (and some change) avg gold if total includes total critical. at 26 minutes 980 / 233 = 4.2 avg if they're separate or 794 / 233 = 3.4 avg gold if they are combined.
EDIT EDIT: Reviewing the wiki, on live TF's dice have a 13.33% each chance of rolling 1-5 and a 33.33% chance of rolling a 6. This would make 4 the average result. At around 26 when you speculate it should be around 700 something, you've got 233 kills+cs, which would be at 932 expected gold on live. My conclusion is that one of these 3 possibilities is true:
1)TF's main roll has been boosted to an average of 4.2 (given the consistency between ) either intentionally or in error, and the total stat is separate from the total critical stat; 2) TF's main roll has been normalized to a regular d6 and it the total includes the total critical amount (seems unlikely given it's called loaded dice and the 26 min mark it'd be pretty low); or 3) TF's main roll is unchanged, the total stat is separate from total critical, and you're just really lucky on the roll this game (possible, though unlikely).
Math is so sexy
@@Smoth48 😘
You didnt take into account the fact that number of cs doesnt translate 1 to 1 to lasthits, for example, pekin at some point did krugs which are 4 cs but give you 8 lasthits. I am too underslept atm to rerun the math, but that might fix your calculations
Just kiss me already bro damn
I must concur with the thirsty repliers. I was about to do the same thing in the comments, but your hands are faster than mine.
pekin I'm having a horrible day getting absolutely bent over by life but the joke about uno at 3:28 made me laugh a lot. thanks bro
the world's best twisted fate "pekin of wolves" shows us once more how to play an interesting pick know colloquially as ayy dee tee eff, now we shall return to the commentary and let the master do the work.
What a weird way to spell gross gore
@wilson0213 what? did I use a word that means something like that /genq
@@bagbag9099 it’s a joke bro gross gore is a TF one trick who is clearly not the best
@@wilson0213 OH my bad
I don't think the Loaded Dice was bugged or anything. Did the math when you were at 212 CS and you were averaging 3.74 gold per creep, which is a little above average but not a ton, just got decent RNG in your favor on it. That was with removing the critical gold hustled, 980 total minus 186 crit gold = 794 divided by 212 CS = 3.74 gold averaged per CS.
average on loaded dice is 4 since its weighted towards 6
@@wverms also its killing a unit, not getting a cs. camps, wards, champs all also count towards the passive
It wasn't a modem issue, it was a tactical disconnect to make the game more even and showcase more full-build TF
The Hisoka TF build, from HxH. First thing that popped into my mind watching this.
i think the red card damage bug (double damage essentially) might be because of not separating aoe damage from the initial target damage and basically stacking them on top of eachother, doubling the final damage
El mismísimo PekinWoof, el destacado midlaner vuelve a sorprendernos con otro BANGER. Gracias por tanto y perdón por tan poco.
SPANISH GANG, LETSGOOO
alguien tiene el link del listado de cambios que hicieron a los campeones? no lo logro encontrar 😭
riot saw all your tf one shot videos and were like "yeah this guy needs a cool looking buff so lets give him even better pushing and aa resets :) "
Just so you know, red card wasn't bugged, the splash damage was fine, the target took more because it converted the base ad to magic damage
Which is weird cos that's not how it's worked before. Normally it deals a modified total damage (including the base attack) and deals that same damage to all targets in the AoE (besides on-hit effects applied to the main target). However in the video its doing exactly double the damage to the main target as other targets in the AoE, implying the changes have made the target take red card damage from both the attack as well as the AoE.
You don't know how excited I am about those changes, holy. My only fear is that they're gonna nerf him right after this, but damn I didn't expect them to do such drastic changes.
and you can bet it will be because of the gold generation... Riot hates that
That escape act with the "may I introduce you to..." drop was so neat, well done! :)
the passive crit scaling is such a cool idea thanks rito! fun video pekin
So, you kept talking about the total gold hustled being bugged, but if the total gold includes the crit gold, it's only like 90 over what you think is normal. However, also consider you were killing shaco boxes from clone (which you triple up on), killed quite a few champions, and some jungle monsters like krugs give unholy amounts from loaded dice that doesn't show on your CS well.
I hope that these fun changes go through and bring back old stuff that other champs had. Like Ap Zeri miss her so much
Ap Yi, miss tou
@@user-ef4lr7to5m Fuuuuuuck that.
I think the Kraken > Rageblade > Terminus/Jaksho would work really well, like with varus or kalista. Base numbers/gold gain is crazy
The issue is Rageblade now would be bad(or at least worse) on TF because it removes all crit chance.
@@jonp1952 new rage blade doesn't remove crit, also the build is onhit so crit wouldnt' matter too much here
@@Misthallow the changes for AD TF are supposed to be crit based but yeah I get you
Rageblade locks out teminus and viceversa
@@andreadelu1753 rageblade does not lock out terminus, and neither does terminus to rageblade
I was just watching the Vandiril video on this and hoped there'd be a Pekin showcase soon, yet it is already here. Cheers Pekin of Wolves
If you assume that "Total Gold Hustled" also includes "Total Gold Critically Hustled" then it's entirely within line. TF should be generating an average of 3.85 gold per CS, and 800 gold at 212 CS is just below that.
Red card wasn't bugged, at 11:22 it dealt 232 to the other minions, the primary targets got damaged by the stacked deck and showed 465 magic dmg
he didnt have stacked deck up though he was only at 1 stack towards it, it is available at 3 stacks and the buff icon lights up
Noice. I am new to league so my account isnt high enough honor to play PBE sadly. Love ur videos because I have ear issues and you dont scream into the mic. It's nice
what tf r u watching that mic screaming has become norm for u…
everyone on youtube lol
This is awesome!
I’ve been dying for them to make these types of changes to kennen.
at 26:11 total passive gold 980 with 212 cs is right, about 180 gold from crit, so normal passive is 800, a d6 average is 3.5, 3.5*200=700, you said loaded dice is weighted towards 6 so it makes sense that you get higher than average you might have actually gotten lower than you were supposed to
AP Twisted Fate players that build rapidfire for higher ranged yellow cards will also benefit from these changes now that TF abilities have crit scaling.
rapidfire actually makes sense now in ap builds
Man I have loved your content these past fews years. It's honestly made my league play time way more fun. I'm a huge TF guy and your at least one of the reasons. It sucks that I can't play the game anymore. Once vanguard is on my league time has to stop but thanks for making the trip fun.
Right on time for my tea. Well done Pekin
23:36 it wasn't that you didn't kite shaco well enough its that he used his ult to dodge your last auto that would have killed him. Rip.
12:45 "Nice Predict" LMAO Pekin is trying so hard to keep his mental
Regarding if pick a card benefits from infinity edge, I don’t know if it does but most if not all abilities that have crit scaling of that kind do.
Plus you only have two basic abilities for Navori to refund CDR on, one of those is your lowest-focus ability and the other is already really low CDR, so Navori actually may not be so great for AD TF.
31:20 That's what she said
After Hwei I always imagined how cool it would be if TF’s W worked like Hweis unique casting, so instead of pressing W and waiting you would just press WQ/WW/WE.
I really agree with the description
This change is also a buff to AP TF which is already pretty strong. As a TF main its going to suck not being able to play my champ anymore :(
It’s funny seeing this video, I just played my first placement for the season against an ad tf
the total gold hustled probably counts the crit gold into it, which would make the amount correct, since it gives 4g per kill on avg
Any chance you're gonna try out one shot blue card with a collector added in now that TF can use the ad scalings? Seems like a 10% true damage plop would make a pretty significant addition to the one shot, especially considering the new interaction with crit chance on his w.
Also thanks Riot for reseting TF with stacked deck, feels so much nicer than trying to sift thru the jungle for plants to prepare for a fight. Kinda sad I can't keep stacked deck ready while hitting turrets anymore, but the extra pushing power on a champ that already wrecks towers is nice in its own way
Nahhh wait - I've been playing lethal tempo attack speed TF adc with the bois for fun for a while now, but it might actually become viable this season? Actually so hyped for that!
I love these changes. I love TF, especially AD.
Maybe a hybrid TF build with Shiv and Guinsoo could be fun
4:55 literally nerd emoji face 🤓☝️ never change pekin of wolfes
pekin you are so good at what you do
When Senna first came out I was hoping they would make her heal and ult shield scale with AP so that she had an alternate build path that was a true support. But no.
At around 10-11 minutes, I am pretty sure the kraken slayer damage git converted into magic by w
your loaded dice gold is correct, simple maths, its loaded towards six so lets call it an AVG 5 per CS - 200 CS = 200 x 5 - so around 1000 would be a AVG total for your current game
Where did you see that changes on Twisted Fate? i've already read the entire patch notes and nothing about that changes. Its upcoming in the next patch?
I googled it and seems it will go live the 24th of January
Part of the W change is that cards can crit now, i dont think it was a bug
it's online in pbe, i don't see it in live servers (euw) as of now and from the patch note for 14.2 that i saw it won't be added for now, hope it gets released anyway or it's just sad that riot won't implement this change, i want to build rfc in ap build but rn it's so inefficient to build
Better than the 9 years video :)
What I'd love for TF is for them to change his W to how hwei works, so when he presses W instead of having the super awkward cycle to pay attention to and fiddle with you can press W - Q for red card or W - E for stun etc, plus then the auto reset becomes a lot more usable too
then i would play him!!
Nah the cycle is iconic and actually allows for further skill expression and counterplay.
just practice, you'll get used to it.
Nope, the cycling card mechanic is a reference to how you shuffle a deck of cards, so removing that is like removing part of his identity.
It's like saying Jhin should have another ult shot if the 4th shot killed an enemy
Disagree
Pekin I'm not a fan of the E passive working on towers because now you can't prep it for an enemy
Surely you just take essence reaver not Tri force? Has crit and spellblade. And you don't necessarily have to spam blue for mana if ur trying to push
As a clearly Ad jungle TF main i love this changes!
Thought Yone was on the enemy team for some reason and thought you'd let them take first turret when you only had a few hits left on mid lol.
That’s kind of a crazy buff that’s sick
Makes me think on hit ad tf jungle might be broken.
I hope so, nexus blitz reminded me how fun ad jg tf is
Hullbreaker tf coming right up
Crit AP blue card tf gonna go crazy when arena comes back
I feel like if you would go bt instead of stormrazer u could 1v5 every fight. U deal so much damage and lifesteel+trinity tankyness would allow you to be an unkillable demon :)
damn AD twisted fate has always been my spicy pocket pick. Glad its getting some support
the extra w damage was just the sheen/tri force no?
I hope this doesn't make him overturned forcing Riot to nerf him...
Classy Pekin
21:07
well you have near 200 cs and the passive averages 5 gold per kill so 900g-1000g sounds right to me
why would you think the total gold hustled is bugged? if you killed 212 units at 27 minutes and got like 4 gold average per kill, you get 800 gold, +186 from crit kills that's 986, it's not that far fetched imo.
UNO Twisted Fate build, seems funny
Finally another champ next to CORKI I can slap IE with Shadowflame on for big magic dmg crits
so when are the ap miss fortune buffs happening 😏
Says he likes the different styles riot makes between ad and ap. talks about changes that just makes ad better.
I think instead of Q (or E) Ad ratio they could've given a burst of movement speed when you proc E
Like the new item changes they are fun. Lethality feels a bit strong though
check out if sundered sky item gives full bonus dmg to W bc of the 100% crit from sundered sky passive
it's the year of TF letsfuckinggo!
The only thing about this that upsets me is if you have guinsoos you have no crit chance and I imagine that means that it removes the crit based buffs. I always loved Guinsoos and Runaan's on TF when I used to play him as an "ADC"
Guinsoos does not take your crit chances away anymore, as of 14.1
Do you guys even read items tooltips or patches?
There are so many changes to the game in this patch it's hard to pay attention to every single individual thing. @@yossam6722
Brutal 💪🏼💪🏼
Can you try Q max with shiv? I've got a feeling that would be pretty nice but I haven't tried it yet.
Dopa would have loved the changes :D and so does midbeast xD
Now we gotta get pekin ad tf kraken + stacked deck 1 shot
And now AD TF is S ranked in top/mid/bot.
The idea was cool at first. But the reality is that TF's kit is too fucking busted for an ADC to have. The ratios need to be removed, AD TF is such a huge mistake.
ok this is enough to bring me back to TF damn.
I like these changes I feel like it’ll help tf with the less favorable match ups
not going rageblade is wild
The one shot blue card man 🤰🤰🤰🤰🤰🤰😳😳😳😳😳
The total gold hustled probably includes the critically gold hustled?
Honestly they should get rid of his AA reset on W, it just seems weird and not needed imo however give his e an active, either
1. AS buff for 3 hits
2 immediate stacked deck again with an AA reset
3 quick move speed sprint
4 this would be op but his E reactivates his last pick a card
I don't think it's THAT weird. This is helpful to TF in that you can now fake it kinda like Annie's passive. This means you can now Gold Card when 1 away from Stacked Deck and then immediately after proc it, instead of always HAVING to be fully stacked before going in. It's different sure, but it also allows you to proc Stacked Deck without enemies immediately walking away from you because you have it.
Runaans would of went HAM
Does the Shadowflame "crit" give the bonus gold as well?
I've been saying for years we need more hybrid scaling on more champs!
Awesome vid pekin, can you do a Vlad vid next?
People really ab to hate me running AD bruiser tf top with triforce lolol
Does w count as on-hit? For rage blade reasons. Double blue card
Wow these changes are crazy! Riot actually start making things more fun!
The TF goat is back
COOL! now even TF can build _hulk breaker_ ! :D
*smile in sarcasm*
how does his E work cause from what i can tell there is no reason to not keep it up at all times
Don't think 1300 was a predict lol. He just fired it where u was before u side stepped so u dodged it then u flashed back into the original line for the hook xd
LMFAO I CALLED IT
AP TF GOT NERFED CAUSE OF THE AD TF CHANGES
-25% ap ratio on stacked deck + blue card, this probably kills 1 card 1 shot build
I still kinda don't understand the critical passive thing if someone could explain it,do you have to have a certain crit chance to roll 2 dice?or does it always roll 2 dice on a critical kill?
Always roll 2 dice on critical hit
What’s the sound at 5:21? I’ve always wanted to know
It’s a ward breaking
would runaan work on his W? i feel like lethal tempo will be a thing here
They should bring back statik shivv lebolanc