I really enjoyed that movie, but I've never read the book. That scene with the girl floating down by Depp's character was startling. It comes out of nowhere, and nothing is made of it; it just happens and the film moves on, and you're left puzzling over just what is going on. The whole movie is fun (although it did start to lose me toward the end), but a favorite scene involved Depp's character smoking all the time. He's around and handling all these expensive, antique books, puffing away, and I want to scream at the character. Then, that one older lady calls him on it with something like, "you're not going near my books while you're smoking" and I'm there going, "Yes! Finally someone said something!".
The Ninth Gate is one of my favorite movies (its a comfort film I put on all the time just for background noise and sometimes to get lost in because I love it so much) I only recently learned that it is based on a book and am tempted to give it a read.
I rewatched recently and noticed some things I didnt catch (or remember) when I originally saw it way back when. I always thought the mystery of the book and engravings could be solved by anyone. Corso, being the one who actually solved the mystery, was worthy. Whereas Balkan just wanted to pay for the results. After rewatching, it seems that Corso was more of a chosen candidate. He tells the brothers the copy he has belongs to Balkan. They shrug and say, each book has its destiny. Meaning the book is intended for him? The girl has to reveal that one of the engravings is a forgery. Without that external guidance, the mystery could not be solved.
I have a theory about a hidden subplot in the movie. Baroness Kesler was in the Nazi occult circles; in the book, Balkin gives Corso a picture of her, young next to Himmler. I think she sold out the Corizo brothers who were able to switch the one panel before they and their now altered copy were taken by the regime. Kesler was witness to Hitler failing the ritual, somehow resulting in her injuries. She would have been about 15, possibly seen the devil. Hitler presumably went out like Balkin as his corpse was allegedly bunt and shot through the head, neatly squaring the story with history. The ghosts of the brothers guarded the last woodcut until the right person for whatever reason came along and that was Corso.
It really is such a great movie. The underground world of book collecting was so fascinating. The relaxed pace of the movie and the great dialogue was so intoxicating. I’d say the weakest part is the abrupt ending. I know it was meant to be artistic. But I think there should have been a bigger pay off at the end. Also, who forged the fake picture and why? Was it the bookstore twins?
My interpretation of the green eyrd girl: she is first introduced when Balkin is talking about familiars which are traditionally thought to take the form of animals but as we see Balkin is missing information and his literal approach to things backfires on him, and much like the book bider brothers are implied to be demons in human from to facilitate " the Game" what if the girl is a would be familiar spirit tasked with protecting the books and the game until someone solves it, but more than that what if she's part of the test? What if we look at the movie from a Left Hand Path perspective where Lucifer is a Promethean Rebel figure?( Which is already implied by the focus on the " Light "aspect, the biok opens with " Thus let the light shine" and one of the main differences between Balkan and Corso's ritual is Balkan does his at the stereotypical " spooky dead of night" while the movie ends with Corso walking into a light) what if Lucifer doesn't want just anyone, not a mindless sicophant like Balkan, he wants someone worthy, so he makes their would-be familiar their last test, in order to put all the prices together , you have to make her like you? That's why the moment she anounts him is when he shows her compassion and loyalty unprompted. After all it was her who told him that the nineth engraving was a forgery. Do it ends up being Corsco who gets the ultimate price because he wasn't blinded by power or simpering devotion, and now he and his assigned familler get to live the high life in each other's compy forever after. Also another peice of supporting evidence , the familiar never does anything unprompted, he has to ask her, and if he says something like " stay here" that's usually when bad stuff happens to him because she was told not to interfere. The same thing happens when he talks her to pick for him. She can't. All she can do until the contract is signed if hint and help him only in ways she's asked to.
But some are chosen by Satan - but for reasons of fate say no. They know from experience Satan rules and God is dead he died on that cross for his own sins! Man must become God the throne is empty! These are the anomallys of the spiritual realm. In my case renaged on the blood pact with Lilith! Jilted at the altar! Fate sealed. Hell is destiny. A death for told. Hell is ( was God's) mercy. What will be Satan's? The Sigma's of Gnostic Theology or as science says - singularity.
This is an excellent comparison of a great book and film. Like many, I prefer the film for its more streamlined storytelling. Love the library scenes; I can almost smell the leather and paper.
I had watched the movie so many times. Then when I read the book, I was struck with how much Polanski had changed the tone. I liked how he simplified the plot. I agree with what you said here.
Again 😂 your channel butters my bread. Your on point Bob. This movie along with Angel Heart are my Occult favs. Polanski nailed it. Your review was perfectly accurate. My fav was Baron Kessler & her story of the author studying the black arts in Prauge. Just the writing & acting was so good id enjoy another entire film on the Baron or Balkon for that matter . Can you suggest plz sir any other movies or gems on antiquarian occult booksellers. I find your ch my new fav rabbit hole journey & anything you can assist & suggest id appreciate & devour. Im very fond of old classics b&w concerning the occult & booksellers.
I always perk up when an occult bookstore pops up in a movie, like in The Howling or The Craft. It's an underused trope and one I hope will be rectified. More movies about occult booksellers please.
Did nada for me. Didnt even finish it. Compared to the Irag early scenes in the Exorcist which really got the depth of the genre. These latest Exorcist movies really fall short. Although the acting in the Emily Rose movie they nailed it. And brought into the courtroom was a new twist that worked for me. Originallity
The English language can be tricky sometimes. Are you saying you "read" the book or one should "read" the book? Or perhaps it is both, to which I can attest to both sentiments.
I love this movie, listened to the audio book recently, I found I absolutely love it. I think the twist of the book as well as the intrigue is more interesting, but the movie is has such a magic to it, in terms of music and style. Both are great pieces of work
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I really enjoyed that movie, but I've never read the book. That scene with the girl floating down by Depp's character was startling. It comes out of nowhere, and nothing is made of it; it just happens and the film moves on, and you're left puzzling over just what is going on. The whole movie is fun (although it did start to lose me toward the end), but a favorite scene involved Depp's character smoking all the time. He's around and handling all these expensive, antique books, puffing away, and I want to scream at the character. Then, that one older lady calls him on it with something like, "you're not going near my books while you're smoking" and I'm there going, "Yes! Finally someone said something!".
Ha. Yeah, Depp's smoking is incessant.
The Ninth Gate is one of my favorite movies (its a comfort film I put on all the time just for background noise and sometimes to get lost in because I love it so much)
I only recently learned that it is based on a book and am tempted to give it a read.
Great book, but I think I liked the movie better. It was more focused and streamlined.
I rewatched recently and noticed some things I didnt catch (or remember) when I originally saw it way back when.
I always thought the mystery of the book and engravings could be solved by anyone. Corso, being the one who actually solved the mystery, was worthy. Whereas Balkan just wanted to pay for the results.
After rewatching, it seems that Corso was more of a chosen candidate. He tells the brothers the copy he has belongs to Balkan. They shrug and say, each book has its destiny. Meaning the book is intended for him? The girl has to reveal that one of the engravings is a forgery. Without that external guidance, the mystery could not be solved.
Good point.
Amazing movie! Never get tired of watching over and over again!
I have a theory about a hidden subplot in the movie.
Baroness Kesler was in the Nazi occult circles; in the book, Balkin gives Corso a picture of her, young next to Himmler.
I think she sold out the Corizo brothers who were able to switch the one panel before they and their now altered copy were taken by the regime.
Kesler was witness to Hitler failing the ritual, somehow resulting in her injuries.
She would have been about 15, possibly seen the devil.
Hitler presumably went out like Balkin as his corpse was allegedly bunt and shot through the head, neatly squaring the story with history.
The ghosts of the brothers guarded the last woodcut until the right person for whatever reason came along and that was Corso.
I like that.
It really is such a great movie. The underground world of book collecting was so fascinating. The relaxed pace of the movie and the great dialogue was so intoxicating. I’d say the weakest part is the abrupt ending. I know it was meant to be artistic. But I think there should have been a bigger pay off at the end. Also, who forged the fake picture and why? Was it the bookstore twins?
Oh, it was definitely the twins.
One of my all-time favorite movies. I think I need to read the book! Thanks for the video. 👏🏻👏🏻
It's a different ride but a great read.
My interpretation of the green eyrd girl: she is first introduced when Balkin is talking about familiars which are traditionally thought to take the form of animals but as we see Balkin is missing information and his literal approach to things backfires on him, and much like the book bider brothers are implied to be demons in human from to facilitate " the Game" what if the girl is a would be familiar spirit tasked with protecting the books and the game until someone solves it, but more than that what if she's part of the test? What if we look at the movie from a Left Hand Path perspective where Lucifer is a Promethean Rebel figure?( Which is already implied by the focus on the " Light "aspect, the biok opens with " Thus let the light shine" and one of the main differences between Balkan and Corso's ritual is Balkan does his at the stereotypical " spooky dead of night" while the movie ends with Corso walking into a light) what if Lucifer doesn't want just anyone, not a mindless sicophant like Balkan, he wants someone worthy, so he makes their would-be familiar their last test, in order to put all the prices together , you have to make her like you? That's why the moment she anounts him is when he shows her compassion and loyalty unprompted. After all it was her who told him that the nineth engraving was a forgery. Do it ends up being Corsco who gets the ultimate price because he wasn't blinded by power or simpering devotion, and now he and his assigned familler get to live the high life in each other's compy forever after. Also another peice of supporting evidence , the familiar never does anything unprompted, he has to ask her, and if he says something like " stay here" that's usually when bad stuff happens to him because she was told not to interfere. The same thing happens when he talks her to pick for him. She can't. All she can do until the contract is signed if hint and help him only in ways she's asked to.
Interesting hypothesis. I can see it.
Corso fullfils the Journey in the book plates Balkan does not because he was never chosen by Satan.
Hard to argue with that.
But some are chosen by Satan - but for reasons of fate say no. They know from experience Satan rules and God is dead he died on that cross for his own sins! Man must become God the throne is empty! These are the anomallys of the spiritual realm. In my case renaged on the blood pact with Lilith! Jilted at the altar! Fate sealed. Hell is destiny. A death for told. Hell is ( was God's) mercy. What will be Satan's? The Sigma's of Gnostic Theology or as science says - singularity.
This is an excellent comparison of a great book and film. Like many, I prefer the film for its more streamlined storytelling. Love the library scenes; I can almost smell the leather and paper.
Yes. Sometimes great books can make even greater movies… Angel Heart is another example.
I had watched the movie so many times. Then when I read the book, I was struck with how much Polanski had changed the tone. I liked how he simplified the plot. I agree with what you said here.
Thanks. I'll check it out.
Yes, the ninth gate is amazing. I'll have to check out that book.
It’s a helluva book.
Again 😂 your channel butters my bread. Your on point Bob. This movie along with Angel Heart are my Occult favs. Polanski nailed it. Your review was perfectly accurate. My fav was Baron Kessler & her story of the author studying the black arts in Prauge. Just the writing & acting was so good id enjoy another entire film on the Baron or Balkon for that matter . Can you suggest plz sir any other movies or gems on antiquarian occult booksellers. I find your ch my new fav rabbit hole journey & anything you can assist & suggest id appreciate & devour. Im very fond of old classics b&w concerning the occult & booksellers.
I always perk up when an occult bookstore pops up in a movie, like in The Howling or The Craft. It's an underused trope and one I hope will be rectified. More movies about occult booksellers please.
Did nada for me. Didnt even finish it. Compared to the Irag early scenes in the Exorcist which really got the depth of the genre. These latest Exorcist movies really fall short. Although the acting in the Emily Rose movie they nailed it. And brought into the courtroom was a new twist that worked for me. Originallity
I feel you on that.
Loved the movie 'ninth gate'
Yeah, it's pretty near perfect.
Lena Olin?
Indeed.
Read the book.
The English language can be tricky sometimes. Are you saying you "read" the book or one should "read" the book? Or perhaps it is both, to which I can attest to both sentiments.
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Loved the movie. The book? Not so much.
I can understand that.
Great movie!
Indeed!
I love this movie, listened to the audio book recently, I found I absolutely love it. I think the twist of the book as well as the intrigue is more interesting, but the movie is has such a magic to it, in terms of music and style. Both are great pieces of work
I totally agree!