Yeah. Clayton was no jock but he had his moments. Clayton unlike jock always played a shinning night jock would do just as much black mailing and do whatever it took to win or make the deal and come out on top. Jock and jr shared that in common. A trait bobny lacked i loved bobby character too cause i like the thin line between the two. Such as when bobby gave up the company and gave it back to JR and telling him he could no longer wake up every day seeing what he was looking at in the mirrot. But even jock had a moral code and a line he would not step over. Admitting he taught jr every dirty trick in the book and how to always win but he never taught him when to stop and know when enough is enough the show had a brilliant writing cast thats for sure. First 6 seasons anyways especially the first 3. After jim davis/jock died the show was never quite the same
Clayton was an idiot. If anything had happened to Wes, Clayton would've been the prime suspect. You don't tell someone you'll track them down & kill them.
@@Via_The_Void I agree with you that is true Clayton told everyone in that room he would kill Wes if he was proven to be a lier and not Jock............so even if Clayton never found Wes, if Wes later died Clayton would be the main suspect. so yes I agree Clayton was a idiot and a moron.
Let me tell you one thing, at the end of the episode when Clayton tells Parmalee that he’ll track him down and kill him; the reaction in Bobby’s eyes was priceless. Truly one of the best scenes in Dallas history.
@@Via_The_Void i agree Clayton was a idiot for saying he would Kill Wes Parmale if it turned out he was not jock..... that is stupid because if Wes had died in the future and not by Clayton.....the police would question him since a whole room of people heared him say it.
Uh yeah and that didn't happen. When a show starts letting one person (Larry Hagman) control everything it will slowly be ruined. This story line should have gone ahead.... Steve forest was great and Howard keel should have never been on Dallas. Disagree with me.... ? Hmmm Larry gave us i dream of Jeanie and Joel grey as the devil plus the child bride nonsense. Ohhh... but that's understandable because he was such a beautiful free spirit and had parades on the beach in front of his house... how fun .... some.might call that a kook. I submit that jr could have been played by a lot better people than Hagman and the show would have still flourished.
I think they missed a great opportunity to have Wes parmalee be jason Ewing instead. jason Ewing against Jr and Bobby with Jamie and Jack would have been great
@@nrkgalt yeah. Not bad... at least it would have added up to something. It's a well prepped storyline and then nothing... too bad, lots of great acting and it props up Jock as a mythical figure. Had Bobby not been resurrected... it would have made a poignant storyline jock being told Bobby was dead. Plus, Steve Forrest was a fine actor.
I wanted Steve Forrest as Jason Ewing. That would have filled the spot left by Jock and could have made it where Jason marries Ellie after Claytons sudden death and Jamie And Jack are step siblings.
“I got something to say, and it may as well get got said right now. Anybody who wants to do business with Ewing Oil...” I vividly remember watching this in the fall of ‘86. I don’t care what anybody says this was great and not only the last great season of the series, but one of the best ever.
This is the only time that I have been impressed with Clayton Farlow because his threat was powerful. I’m glad that the producers didn’t resurrect Jock Ewing by replacing Jim Davis. I think half of the viewers would have a hard time seeing anyone try to even attempt filling Jim Davis’ boots. I always thought that if they did replace Jim Davis regarding Davis’ looks, it would have been Buddy Ebsen. I always thought that their faces showed a convincing resemblance
The real Jock Ewing would have flattened Clayton as soon as he ran his mouth off at him that's what should have proved to the world that Parmalee was a liar , he calmly took Clayton's threat in a cold and dispassionate manner. The real Jock was all fire and passion.
Nothing against Steve Forrest, but I think the producers lost their nerve when trying this storyline and learned Jock could only be played by Jim Davis. I think it would have been interesting if Punk Anderson would've been discovered with connections to Parmalee, to try to root out Clayton so he could've make a move to get in on Southfork or Ewing Oil. It's too bad they couldn't have created a better, long lasting role for Steve Forrest, but as a different character.
Morgan Woodward, Steve Forrest, Barbara Bel Geddes, Larry Hagman, Ken Kercheval, Howard Keel are all gone now, funny it dont seem that long ago Dallas was on tv, but they will never be forgotten.
even JR was shocked that Clayton said he would Kill Wes Parmalee if he turned out to be a fake.. threatening someones life...is not good because if later something happens to that person......... the first thing police do is go to the person who made the threat.........and there are plenty of people who heared him make that threat. and I know Clayton had good reason...but still you don't publicly make that announcement.
Clayton was an idiot! No two ways about it. As much as I liked the character & Howard Keel, Jock's return was the one thing which would've made Dallas compelling & watchable again. So when they dropped this storyline, the Producers shot the show in the foot by doing so.
Clayton was lightweight compared to Jock. The only issue I have is with the writing, Wes/Jock should've been more confrontational the way Jim Davis was.
Via_The_Void , True! Jock always came out swinging with words or fists or both if necessary. 😂 If Wes had clocked Clayton everyone would have believed that he was Jock.
@@phalynwilliams4119 Yeah he should've said "Don't you talk to me like that Farlow! Here's what real power feels like!!" Before punching him in the gut!! Bobby & JR would've known straight away who he was then.
Because it is clearly explained that not all his memory has come back. He still had huge blanks and could not remember everything. That is mentioned a few times.
It's apparent that he was going to be Jock until the cast told the brass they didn't like it so they scrapped the idea. I would be most interested in reading the scripts, future scripts, after it was proven that Wes was Jock. You know they exist. Because ditching the storyline was done at the last minute.
I'm a minority here but I liked this fake Jock storyline and I do think Steve Forrest was a HUGE addition to regular cast in Dallas. Too bad the producers brought him only in Season 9. If they've found him earlier I would love to see him married to Miss Ellie. Much much more suitable than Clayton altho I'm not a Clayton basher. But on the other hand I don't think Forrest would suit as just a support character within Southfork Ranch, he has too much strength and charisma. For that, I think Clayton was better as a support character and with a more passive role.
I agree I also liked the Fake Jock Ewing Story... and Steve Forrest would have been a good replacement as Jock. the trouble is both the Cast and the Majority of fans didn't want anyone to replace Jim Davis.
@@randyhatteberg6000 Yes Randy he was really meant to be Jock but a backlash from a vocal section of the fanbase made the Producer's change their minds & write the character out.
I felt they really missed an opportunity with Jason Ewing and saying he died in 1984, I would have loved to see Jason Ewing interact with JR and Bobby.
I agree. Wes parmalee should have been jason ewing coming back to dallas , jr remembering him from his childhood. Bring jason back first then jamie and jack later on. Jason ewing was jocks older brother
Producers allegedly intended Parmalee to be Jock but backed down when they realised in the meantime that the storyline wasn't going down well with the viewers. So yeah, in the end he was written out of the show.
there is a book, Dallas The Complete Series, where the show's producers did hire an actor to play Jock after JD's death. that man was Howard Keel. Jock would have survived the crash but would have had surgery to change everything....that was until HK said that JD was a very close friend of his, and it really touched him that JD, after all his hard work, became a superstar with Dallas, so he turned down playing Jock and CF was created for him.
@@twc3546 Actually, Jim Davis was already dead in real life by the time Howard Keel came on to play Clayton Farlow, near the end of season 4 but the show's producers didn't want to kill the Jock Ewing character off just yet and had the character in South America offscreen when the Sue Ellen/J.R. custody battle/divorce storyline played out with Sue Ellen running off to the Southern Cross with Dusty and Clayton protecting her and John Ross. I am pretty sure JohnBlack2345's assertion that Howard Keel was meant to play Jock Ewing as a direct replacement for Jim Davis is incorrect since Davis was unable to perform due to his terminal illness (multiple myeloma) and did not appear in the last two episodes of season 4. His character was kept alive off screen for the first 12 episode of season 5. As I said before, Davis died while the fourth season was still airing and Keel made his first appearance as Farlow during the fourth season, so he was never meant to be a replacement for Davis as Jock Ewing. In fact, the producers had already made the decision when Davis died that they wouldn't recast Jock Ewing with another actor and even considered leaving his name and photos in the opening credits for the duration of the series. As a Dallas native, I am glad they never recast Jock Ewing with another actor. Jim Davis IS Jock Ewing and no one could have played him like he did.
The Wes storyline ended too abruptly. Although they said Xrays showed Wes had the same injuries as Jock. Even if they were in the same crash they wouldn’t have identical scars. But did Wes come thru the rehab thinking he was really Jock due to hearing actual Jocks ramblings when he had the fever
I love this. Clayton going balls out. Those poor writers, Jock (real or fake), Clayton, good for a song and a dance in a 50s musical, playing a hard-ass. The writers had gold. Should have made Parmalee Jock, and Clayton, J R, and Bobby psycho.
She wasn't. She was emotional and upset because of her love for Jock. She was torn between Clayton and Wes because on a certain level she believed that Wes could be Jock.
He wasn't Jock Ewing . Wes parmalee or Wyatt Haynes was in the helecopter crash with Jock and had total memory loss believing he was Jock that's how he managed to convince miss Ellie almost destroying her marriage to Clayton. Jock unfortunately ended up at the bottom of a swamp
When I heard about Jock Ewing coming back into Dallas ( years ago). I imagined at first that JR would be happy to have his daddy back & would work with Wes/Jock to get rid of Clayton. Of course it turned out to be the opposite effect only JR & Bobby didn’t believe him and other family members did.
I have a question, if Jock and Wyatt Haines were in the same chopoer , why did Haines parmalee survive and Jock didn't ? And did Haines parmalee know what happened to Jocks body ? Did he see what happened to Jocks body?
The Wyatt Haines explanation was only thought up at the last minute when it became clear to the Producers that Steve Forrest playing Jock wasn't going to be accepted by the fans.
Yeah, I guess we suppose to believe a delirious, feverish rambling Jock told Wyatt Haines about Harv Smithfield. And Jock had a picture of him handy in South America. SMH 😂
@@jameshendricks2197 he was supposed to be originally. When Bobby returned from the dead, the show lost credibility and didn’t want to resurrect another character. I liked Wes but not as jock. In the dream, his name was Ben Stivers and he was meant to be Jock. I think they originally meant to keep this but backed out. That’s why there was so much plot holes. Not bc the show wanted you to wonder if he was Jock, but bc they just flat out backed out and created an undoable mess
I know right! He did remember some things and passed all their tests. I personally believe he was Jock. But to your point when he stood up there he said I have known most of you all my life. Okay some people could have quizzed him. Now as the story goes a deleriois/rambling/feverish Jock kept talking about his life. And Wyatt Haines (who they thought was Parmalee) was there at the time. Now come on you mean to tell me Jock would mention things about most of the people in that room? And Parmalee would remember come on. So correct they his family and some of the people in that room should have quizzed. him.
@@connerhuston2613 The Wyatt Haines explanation didn't make sense, especially as Wes's X ray's were identical to Jock's. Two different men cannot have identical X ray's.
@@Via_The_Void , exactly and even if you could believe (get past) the whole crazy delirious Jock Ramblings of his life in front of Wes Parmelee/Wyatt Hains part. How could you possibly explain the identical X-rays?
Wes Parmelee was going to be revealed as Jock. But, fans didn't like it, because they felt it was a disservice to Jim Davis. So, the writers made Parmelee a business associate of Jock, who was on the helicopter.
I loved JR and thought he could have been fine on his own show. However, I think the show jumped the shark for me when Farlow married Miss Ellie and suddenly a migration flow of every Tom, Dick and Harry was coming onto South Fork claiming to be a Ewing. Who wasn't a Ewing by then? I think around season 7 or 8 it should have ended because it got too silly and predictable. The Writers completely lost control of the script and the show just became a merry go round of Husband, boy friend and wife swapping-all on the same property of course with everyone still being friends and so understanding. Sorry, even though I took Drama and literary film study in college, not even my suspension of belief can go that far. Pam with Bobby, Jenna with Bobby, Jenna with Ray, Pam with Mark. It became the Melrose Place of the night time soaps. Everyone's screwing everyone else more than you would if there was a Swingers party going on at the ranch. Every time Writers don't have any real story lines or can't come up with any, they fall back on every body swinging from one sex partner with another. Yet, all that took place and no fire works, no fights? I mean really, come on. In real life people kill each other over things like that. NO one, especially Bobby, is non chalet about stuff like that. I think the producers punted on a lot of real life action that could have been used from how people really re-act when this kind of stuff goes on. But they kept it all composed and with everyone so polite and all this non-sense. People just aren't like that and the Writers really lost grip on some sense of reality when it comes to human behavior. I kind of stopped watching around season 7 or 8 but always stepped in just to watch JR do his thing. If TV is supposed to be as realistic as possible and you have them behaving so far from what real people do in certain situations in real life than its just impossible for me to watch and enjoy. It took JR and a bunch of other GROWN men 8 or 9 years to leave a house where they have no privacy and everyone is in their marriage business. I just find it old after a while. Just like the Cliff Barnes vs JR storyline. IT just seems to me a person is sick in the head if they can't move on from a guy they hate and get on with his life and realize he's not in JR's League. But I have the first 6 or 7 seasons on DVD. However, like most great shows, the first two or three years are always the best because they're new and the story lines are taking shape. I still say Dallas was a better show than Dynasty, although I watched both until the story lines got old and repetitive. I miss Larry. I watched him as a kid as Major Nelson. What a wonderful person that guy was. He will always be an Icon.
He thing that always gets me, if these Ewings were multi millionaires or billionaires, why did they all live in that South Fork Ranch together? My God, if my family was that wealthy I sure wouldn't want to live at home with my Parents. I'd have my own mansion to live in
I thought this made an interesting story and the actor was good. However, if he had turned out to be the "real Jock" I think it would have been an insult to the late Jim Davis. He made Jock Ewing come alive and the character died when Davis died.
Agreed. Although the new Dallas from a few years back was pretty damn good I think. JR's Masterpiece and Cliff going down for it was the crowned jewel of the show. Hagman would have been very proud I think.
@@johanbrand8601 No way the whole thing with JR marrying a woman that was what 30 years younger than him? Some farmer's daughter? That was a joke that pretty much jumped the shark of the show.
the guy who played wes parmilee would have been the perfect replacement for jock Ewing they both sounded alike and even had his mannerisms down pact that being said I just that cliffhanger music in the end
I loved Steve Forrest but have to disagree about the mannerisms being the same or even close for that matter. Wes was a very polite and well mannered guy and Jock was very gruff and didn't take any shit from anyone. But yes, had they allowed Steve to study Jim Davis a little more, I do agree he would have been a great replacement. A great looking older man. Better looking than Jim Davis.
How ridiculous! I had not even known as a kid they had tried to bring back Jock! No wonder my family and I stopped watching after 1984. As if getting rid of Barbara Bel Geddes was not bad enough. The show was already going downhill....
I agree with Bob and J.R.that phoney Wes Was Not Jock There's no such thing as Reincarnation.Thats like someone Coming up to me saying he's my Dad after my dad died 23 years Ago.
And after listening to this clip once again. That's another thing Parmalee said Anyone or any of you wanting to do business with Ewing oil the man to talk to is ME. So how is Wyatt Haines (the guy Bobby said Parmalee was at the end of the story) suppose to know anything about the oil business? I would have loved if they questioned him about that. If Parmalee was able to answer those questions what excuse could they use then? Parmalee was Jock
I think wes was jock. if you remember the final episode he was in it seemed like he balling out because his family could not handle the truth about who he is.
Donna Miller This was a fantastic plot line, but I don’t think he was real. The real Jock Ewing would have burned the entire family and all of Ewing Oil to the ground before he backed down and ran away.
I agree, i think he was Jock and i think that is the truth he told Mrs.Ellie when he left town and i think that was why she was upset and told Clayton she talk to him latter.
They Originally had planed for Wes to Really Be Jock. but Fans out cry at the time and outrage made them change their mind they didn't want someone else playing Jock. if you watch the whole Storyline.. you see hints come out that he really might be jock. as the storyline went on.
That's not true. By the time, the season 10 episode premiered, the show had already filmed Steve Forrest's last episode, revealing Wes was a con. There was no fan outrage, at least none that prompted him to leave the show as he was already gone when his episodes aired.
I'm not sure. When they first brought him on in season 9 as Ben Stivers, I thought he would turn out to be Jason Ewing, Jock's brother and Jack and Jamie's father.
Yes, I thought that scene was an indicator that maybe Ben was Jason with a new face/plastic surgery because Jack got a strange vibe from him and the storyline was that Jack and Jason didn't get along.
Jason Gibson now if they had brought wes parmalee on as Jason Ewing,jocks brother that would have been a great story!!! Jason and jock from the early years, and Jason as uncle of bobby and jr and ray and Garry,and father of jack and jamie
@@johanbrand8601 I thought it was a great tribute to Jim to bring Jock back. Steve Forrest's performance is sometimes very akin to Jim's performance as Jock.
He actually was really meant to be Jock Ewing recast with another actor (Steve Forrest) but some of the fans of the show got into a hissy fit & felt it was disrespectful to Jim Davis who had originally played the role.
@@Via_The_Void and when Bobby was resurrected the show got cold feet and didn’t want to resurrect another character. They had also done in the beginning of dream season with mark graison. Problem with paramalee is after the cold feet it created plot holes and continuity issues that left many fans believing he was Jock but walked away. That was not the plan
I never could take Clayton seriously. Someone that age should be focusing on trying to have solid bowel movements, and trying not to break their hip. Fistfights with guys in their late 20s and early 30s are pretty silly for someone that age. Honestly, Clayton was a classic cheesedick! My favorite Clayton scene was when he had a heart attack at the Ball. Jumping around like a jackass when Punk won. He had known Punk for five minutes, but he acted like they were childhood friends. Clayton was insufferable.
Clayton’s most badass moment.
Yeah. Clayton was no jock but he had his moments. Clayton unlike jock always played a shinning night jock would do just as much black mailing and do whatever it took to win or make the deal and come out on top. Jock and jr shared that in common. A trait bobny lacked i loved bobby character too cause i like the thin line between the two. Such as when bobby gave up the company and gave it back to JR and telling him he could no longer wake up every day seeing what he was looking at in the mirrot. But even jock had a moral code and a line he would not step over. Admitting he taught jr every dirty trick in the book and how to always win but he never taught him when to stop and know when enough is enough the show had a brilliant writing cast thats for sure. First 6 seasons anyways especially the first 3. After jim davis/jock died the show was never quite the same
Bobby: No one wants to listen to your lies.
Wendell: Actually I do.
The “Wes Parmalee is Jock Ewing” is the best plot since Jock died
It was totally far-fetched, but it was awesome.
the irony of this is Steve Forrest and Jim Davis did an episode of night gallery together
WOW cool I wanna see that. Thumbs UP
One of the best scenes of the later seasons. The Wes/Jock question was also the last really gripping storyline of the series, imo.
YES! I really loved the Wes Parmalee storyline!!!
He's not John Ross Ewing sr Jock come from the grave and kick his ASS good.
who sold this son of bitch a ticket
I believe Ewing Boys wouldn't Fuck him up real Good
He will never Jim Davis bka Jock Ewing Hell to da NAW NAW
When you have JR speechless and Bobby shocked, you’re the real deal. Clayton was a boss here.
Clayton was an idiot. If anything had happened to Wes, Clayton would've been the prime suspect. You don't tell someone you'll track them down & kill them.
@@Via_The_Void He didn't give a flying f!
@@Via_The_Void I agree with you that is true Clayton told everyone in that room he would kill Wes if he was proven to be a lier and not Jock............so even if Clayton never found Wes, if Wes later died Clayton would be the main suspect. so yes I agree Clayton was a idiot and a moron.
Clayton right here
Finally, Clayton showing guys!
"Who sold that son of a b^!c# a ticket?"
If it takes me the rest of my life, I'm going to find a reason to use that line..🤣
Let me tell you one thing, at the end of the episode when Clayton tells Parmalee that he’ll track him down and kill him; the reaction in Bobby’s eyes was priceless. Truly one of the best scenes in Dallas history.
plus the music at the end...
Bobby never heard Clayton guarantee a man he would kill him if he found out he was a liar. JR looked like he was rather proud of Clayton.
JohnBlack2345 ...I’m sure he was.
Clayton was still an idiot though!
@@Via_The_Void i agree Clayton was a idiot for saying he would Kill Wes Parmale if it turned out he was not jock..... that is stupid because if Wes had died in the future and not by Clayton.....the police would question him since a whole room of people heared him say it.
For a man whose vocal cords were damaged in the helicopter crash, he sure has a clear and rich tone to his voice.. lol
Everyone knows a helicopter crash makes a man's voice smoother and less gravelly.
It wasn't his vocal cords that were damaged it was the laryngeal nerve.
This show had the BIG men of the Old West. Howard Keel, Jim Davis , Morgan Woodward and Steve Forrest.
Don't forget George Kennedy.
When a storyline becomes unbelievable, the show soon goes off the air.
Uh yeah and that didn't happen. When a show starts letting one person (Larry Hagman) control everything it will slowly be ruined. This story line should have gone ahead.... Steve forest was great and Howard keel should have never been on Dallas. Disagree with me.... ? Hmmm Larry gave us i dream of Jeanie and Joel grey as the devil plus the child bride nonsense. Ohhh... but that's understandable because he was such a beautiful free spirit and had parades on the beach in front of his house... how fun
.... some.might call that a kook. I submit that jr could have been played by a lot better people than Hagman and the show would have still flourished.
@@jeffcarr1754 what a stupid post
@@jeffcarr1754 You had me until your last sentence.
@@jeffcarr1754 stuff it Jeff.
"The Hell you are !" Love JR!
This storyline is my Dallas guilty pleasure of the series. Sorry I loved it back then. THUMBS UP
I think they missed a great opportunity to have Wes parmalee be jason Ewing instead. jason Ewing against Jr and Bobby with Jamie and Jack would have been great
Yes. Good point. I was ok with him as Jock.
@NM1Raider that's the point. He should have come back as Jason.
The plot twist should have been that Wes Parmalee was an imposter hired by Jeremy Wendell as part of a plot to take over Ewing Oil.
@@nrkgalt yeah. Not bad... at least it would have added up to something. It's a well prepped storyline and then nothing... too bad, lots of great acting and it props up Jock as a mythical figure. Had Bobby not been resurrected... it would have made a poignant storyline jock being told Bobby was dead. Plus, Steve Forrest was a fine actor.
I wanted Steve Forrest as Jason Ewing. That would have filled the spot left by Jock and could have made it where Jason marries Ellie after Claytons sudden death and Jamie And Jack are step siblings.
“I got something to say, and it may as well get got said right now. Anybody who wants to do business with Ewing Oil...” I vividly remember watching this in the fall of ‘86. I don’t care what anybody says this was great and not only the last great season of the series, but one of the best ever.
I totally agree
Wes parmalee had that expression on his face when he called out punk anderson was like damn it punk you better back up my story lol
I think Wes could’ve taken Clayton
He was pretty light on his feet making his way onto the stage.
"I'm Jock Ewing."
"The HEEEEEEEELL yoooou aaaaare."
This is the only time that I have been impressed with Clayton Farlow because his threat was powerful. I’m glad that the producers didn’t resurrect Jock Ewing by replacing Jim Davis. I think half of the viewers would have a hard time seeing anyone try to even attempt filling Jim Davis’ boots. I always thought that if they did replace Jim Davis regarding Davis’ looks, it would have been Buddy Ebsen. I always thought that their faces showed a convincing resemblance
I honestly did not mind seeing Jock returned, I would've loved to see the subsequent fireworks and fallout.
i was never a fan of Wes. Jock was gone and they should have left things that way.
Ya I thought all this "I'm Jock Ewing" stuff was a pretty big stretch though it made for a reasonably interesting storyline !
The real Jock Ewing would have flattened Clayton as soon as he ran his mouth off at him that's what should have proved to the world that Parmalee was a liar , he calmly took Clayton's threat in a cold and dispassionate manner. The real Jock was all fire and passion.
I always knew Parmalee was a Fraud but he’s an interesting character. 😀😀😀
Nothing against Steve Forrest, but I think the producers lost their nerve when trying this storyline and learned Jock could only be played by Jim Davis. I think it would have been interesting if Punk Anderson would've been discovered with connections to Parmalee, to try to root out Clayton so he could've make a move to get in on Southfork or Ewing Oil. It's too bad they couldn't have created a better, long lasting role for Steve Forrest, but as a different character.
He was jock....and punk would never do anything like that
Morgan Woodward, Steve Forrest, Barbara Bel Geddes, Larry Hagman, Ken Kercheval, Howard Keel are all gone now, funny it dont seem that long ago Dallas was on tv, but they will never be forgotten.
And Jeremy Wendell snake that he is, is still alive and kicking at 96. 🐍
@@KeithFroehlich07 I know
@@KeithFroehlich07 The great William Smithers he was terrific as Jeremy Wendell.
even JR was shocked that Clayton said he would Kill Wes Parmalee if he turned out to be a fake.. threatening someones life...is not good because if later something happens to that person......... the first thing police do is go to the person who made the threat.........and there are plenty of people who heared him make that threat.
and I know Clayton had good reason...but still you don't publicly make that announcement.
That's not cool
Astraldragon1 exactly!! It takes a lot to shock JR
Clayton was an idiot! No two ways about it. As much as I liked the character & Howard Keel, Jock's return was the one thing which would've made Dallas compelling & watchable again. So when they dropped this storyline, the Producers shot the show in the foot by doing so.
Bobby was stunned, but JR was standing there like "Screw the lie detector test shoot him now!" 🤠
This was the moment Clayton proved he could equal Jock's strength.
BS. If someone threatened the real Jock Ewing like that, Jock would've dropped him on the spot, Clayton included.
Clayton was lightweight compared to Jock. The only issue I have is with the writing, Wes/Jock should've been more confrontational the way Jim Davis was.
Via_The_Void , True! Jock always came out swinging with words or fists or both if necessary. 😂 If Wes had clocked Clayton everyone would have believed that he was Jock.
@@phalynwilliams4119 Yeah he should've said "Don't you talk to me like that Farlow! Here's what real power feels like!!" Before punching him in the gut!! Bobby & JR would've known straight away who he was then.
@@Via_The_Void , Exactly! 😂
Dallas history; the first time JR, Bobby, and Clayton are all on the same side.
Haha true. They were all on the same side with the ranch war a few years later too.
Wendell was in there like a rat up a drain pipe
The absurdity that JR and Bobby wouldn't sit down and grill him with childhood questions is baffling!
How about miss Ellie? What could she have asked him about?
Because it is clearly explained that not all his memory has come back. He still had huge blanks and could not remember everything. That is mentioned a few times.
@@lindakristinekjrlibraten5759Less on a G rated show than an R rated movie but either way more info than even contemporary AI could handle
It's apparent that he was going to be Jock until the cast told the brass they didn't like it so they scrapped the idea.
I would be most interested in reading the scripts, future scripts, after it was proven that Wes was Jock.
You know they exist.
Because ditching the storyline was done at the last minute.
I'm a minority here but I liked this fake Jock storyline and I do think Steve Forrest was a HUGE addition to regular cast in Dallas. Too bad the producers brought him only in Season 9. If they've found him earlier I would love to see him married to Miss Ellie. Much much more suitable than Clayton altho I'm not a Clayton basher. But on the other hand I don't think Forrest would suit as just a support character within Southfork Ranch, he has too much strength and charisma. For that, I think Clayton was better as a support character and with a more passive role.
I agree I also liked the Fake Jock Ewing Story... and Steve Forrest would have been a good replacement as Jock. the trouble is both the Cast and the Majority of fans didn't want anyone to replace Jim Davis.
Is Was Parmalee Jock Ewing?
@@randyhatteberg6000yes!!
I liked it as well and wished that he had been Jock. I didn't like the abrupt way it ended.
@@randyhatteberg6000 Yes Randy he was really meant to be Jock but a backlash from a vocal section of the fanbase made the Producer's change their minds & write the character out.
The plot about Jock coming back was too silly.
Dallas and Dynasty are the 2 best shows
I'm still amazed today in 2024 just how much love & affection there is for Dallas and Dynasty.
Deep down, I think JR liked and respected Clayton......especially after this scene.
He did
Wes would have been a better replacement in the Ewing family than Clayton. He never fit in with the Ewings.
I felt they really missed an opportunity with Jason Ewing and saying he died in 1984, I would have loved to see Jason Ewing interact with JR and Bobby.
Damn straight! I couldn't ever stand Clayton or his dumb ass son Dusty. Jock Ewing was the second greatest character ever on the show next to JR.
I agree. They should have introduced Jason Ewing instead of just Jamie and later Jack.
I agree. Wes parmalee should have been jason ewing coming back to dallas , jr remembering him from his childhood. Bring jason back first then jamie and jack later on. Jason ewing was jocks older brother
Wes was really Jock Ewing all along.
Producers allegedly intended Parmalee to be Jock but backed down when they realised in the meantime that the storyline wasn't going down well with the viewers. So yeah, in the end he was written out of the show.
Oh wow interesting!!!
I was wondering about this. It seemed too real!
He was gone so fast. Didn’t really let the storyline unfold
This guy was obviously not Jock. He was younger and his personality was nothing like his.
there is a book, Dallas The Complete Series, where the show's producers did hire an actor to play Jock after JD's death. that man was Howard Keel. Jock would have survived the crash but would have had surgery to change everything....that was until HK said that JD was a very close friend of his, and it really touched him that JD, after all his hard work, became a superstar with Dallas, so he turned down playing Jock and CF was created for him.
JohnBlack2345 Clayton was on several episodes when Jim was still alive, so he couldn’t have been Jock
@@twc3546 Actually, Jim Davis was already dead in real life by the time Howard Keel came on to play Clayton Farlow, near the end of season 4 but the show's producers didn't want to kill the Jock Ewing character off just yet and had the character in South America offscreen when the Sue Ellen/J.R. custody battle/divorce storyline played out with Sue Ellen running off to the Southern Cross with Dusty and Clayton protecting her and John Ross. I am pretty sure JohnBlack2345's assertion that Howard Keel was meant to play Jock Ewing as a direct replacement for Jim Davis is incorrect since Davis was unable to perform due to his terminal illness (multiple myeloma) and did not appear in the last two episodes of season 4. His character was kept alive off screen for the first 12 episode of season 5. As I said before, Davis died while the fourth season was still airing and Keel made his first appearance as Farlow during the fourth season, so he was never meant to be a replacement for Davis as Jock Ewing. In fact, the producers had already made the decision when Davis died that they wouldn't recast Jock Ewing with another actor and even considered leaving his name and photos in the opening credits for the duration of the series. As a Dallas native, I am glad they never recast Jock Ewing with another actor. Jim Davis IS Jock Ewing and no one could have played him like he did.
The Wes storyline ended too abruptly. Although they said Xrays showed Wes had the same injuries as Jock. Even if they were in the same crash they wouldn’t have identical scars. But did Wes come thru the rehab thinking he was really Jock due to hearing actual Jocks ramblings when he had the fever
@@Chemdawg2009 there were 2 episodes where Keel and Davis both appeared, however they had no scenes together
I love this. Clayton going balls out.
Those poor writers, Jock (real or fake), Clayton, good for a song and a dance in a 50s musical, playing a hard-ass. The writers had gold. Should have made Parmalee Jock, and Clayton, J R, and Bobby psycho.
He was Jock. Remember, we never saw his final conversation between him and Ellie.
Mrs. Ellie was spineless.
She wasn't. She was emotional and upset because of her love for Jock. She was torn between Clayton and Wes because on a certain level she believed that Wes could be Jock.
Ellie and Ray both knew he was Jock. I think deep down JR and Bobby knew it too, but neither wanted to give up their power.
I don't know about Bobby and especially JR believing he was Jock. The other two especially Miss Ellie yes.
He wasn't Jock Ewing . Wes parmalee or Wyatt Haynes was in the helecopter crash with Jock and had total memory loss believing he was Jock that's how he managed to convince miss Ellie almost destroying her marriage to Clayton. Jock unfortunately ended up at the bottom of a swamp
Who the sold that SOB a ticket!
He looks nothing like Jock
When I heard about Jock Ewing coming back into Dallas ( years ago). I imagined at first that JR would be happy to have his daddy back & would work with Wes/Jock to get rid of Clayton.
Of course it turned out to be the opposite effect only JR & Bobby didn’t believe him and other family members did.
I have a question, if Jock and Wyatt Haines were in the same chopoer , why did Haines parmalee survive and Jock didn't ? And did Haines parmalee know what happened to Jocks body ? Did he see what happened to Jocks body?
The Wyatt Haines explanation was only thought up at the last minute when it became clear to the Producers that Steve Forrest playing Jock wasn't going to be accepted by the fans.
That was one of Clayton's toughest moments! He proved he was a force to be reckoned with! Dallas was one of the greatesr television series ever!
Which season was this ?
@@ronkali5365 Season 10
I ALSO LIKED THE BD CALHUNN STORYLINE
@kappelmeister123 that's where the show really started going downhill
not me
Me too
Steve forrest don't even talk like Jim Davis
Clayton earned his stripes here. He was badass.
JR “the hellll you are” brilliant
How did Wes recognize Harv Smithfield and he even knew who Jock's tailor was! 🤔
Because he was jock!!
@@donnn-ow4rj Lol!!! 😆
Yeah, I guess we suppose to believe a delirious, feverish rambling Jock told Wyatt Haines about Harv Smithfield. And Jock had a picture of him handy in South America. SMH 😂
@@jameshendricks2197 he was supposed to be originally. When Bobby returned from the dead, the show lost credibility and didn’t want to resurrect another character. I liked Wes but not as jock. In the dream, his name was Ben Stivers and he was meant to be Jock. I think they originally meant to keep this but backed out. That’s why there was so much plot holes. Not bc the show wanted you to wonder if he was Jock, but bc they just flat out backed out and created an undoable mess
He was Jock. He saw his family's true nature and that they would rather have him dead. So he just left town lol
I grew to like Clayton.He stood up for his new family
i hated how miss ellie stood up for that parmalee
Me too
Because she knew the truth. Wes was Jock all along.
THE HELL U ARE JR SAID!!!!!!!
What am I missing here? Couldn't any family member quiz Wes to see if he was really Jock?
I know right! He did remember some things and passed all their tests. I personally believe he was Jock. But to your point when he stood up there he said I have known most of you all my life.
Okay some people could have quizzed him. Now as the story goes a deleriois/rambling/feverish Jock kept talking about his life. And Wyatt Haines (who they thought was Parmalee) was there at the time. Now come on you mean to tell me Jock would mention things about most of the people in that room? And Parmalee would remember come on. So correct they his family and some of the people in that room should have quizzed. him.
@@connerhuston2613 The Wyatt Haines explanation didn't make sense, especially as Wes's X ray's were identical to Jock's. Two different men cannot have identical X ray's.
@@Via_The_Void , exactly and even if you could believe (get past) the whole crazy delirious Jock Ramblings of his life in front of Wes Parmelee/Wyatt Hains part.
How could you possibly explain the identical X-rays?
@@connerhuston2613 Wes was Jock. It's as simple as that.
@@Via_The_Void , agreed
This fiction was stranger than fiction.
Identity theft....the 1986 version
Steve Forrest was an awesome actor
That is the type of thing that Jock would do. 😂
Wes Parmelee was going to be revealed as Jock. But, fans didn't like it, because they felt it was a disservice to Jim Davis. So, the writers made Parmelee a business associate of Jock, who was on the helicopter.
Great storyline back in 1986
One of my favorite storylines since Jock died.
Just a shame that they didn't follow through & make Steve Forrest's character Jock.
@@Via_The_Void , the prevailing reason was fan backlash didn't want him to be Jock.
@@connerhuston2613 I know, such a shame though as Steve Forrest would've been a great Jock Ewing. Sadly it wasn't meant to be.
JR Is a total Bad ass and a sceamer but you gatta love him this scene is a CLASSIC J R said your not my Daddy
"The hell you are, everybody can see you're not my daddy"
I loved JR and thought he could have been fine on his own show. However, I think the show jumped the shark for me when Farlow married Miss Ellie and suddenly a migration flow of every Tom, Dick and Harry was coming onto South Fork claiming to be a Ewing. Who wasn't a Ewing by then? I think around season 7 or 8 it should have ended because it got too silly and predictable. The Writers completely lost control of the script and the show just became a merry go round of Husband, boy friend and wife swapping-all on the same property of course with everyone still being friends and so understanding. Sorry, even though I took Drama and literary film study in college, not even my suspension of belief can go that far. Pam with Bobby, Jenna with Bobby, Jenna with Ray, Pam with Mark. It became the Melrose Place of the night time soaps. Everyone's screwing everyone else more than you would if there was a Swingers party going on at the ranch. Every time Writers don't have any real story lines or can't come up with any, they fall back on every body swinging from one sex partner with another. Yet, all that took place and no fire works, no fights? I mean really, come on. In real life people kill each other over things like that. NO one, especially Bobby, is non chalet about stuff like that. I think the producers punted on a lot of real life action that could have been used from how people really re-act when this kind of stuff goes on. But they kept it all composed and with everyone so polite and all this non-sense. People just aren't like that and the Writers really lost grip on some sense of reality when it comes to human behavior. I kind of stopped watching around season 7 or 8 but always stepped in just to watch JR do his thing. If TV is supposed to be as realistic as possible and you have them behaving so far from what real people do in certain situations in real life than its just impossible for me to watch and enjoy. It took JR and a bunch of other GROWN men 8 or 9 years to leave a house where they have no privacy and everyone is in their marriage business. I just find it old after a while. Just like the Cliff Barnes vs JR storyline. IT just seems to me a person is sick in the head if they can't move on from a guy they hate and get on with his life and realize he's not in JR's League. But I have the first 6 or 7 seasons on DVD. However, like most great shows, the first two or three years are always the best because they're new and the story lines are taking shape. I still say Dallas was a better show than Dynasty, although I watched both until the story lines got old and repetitive. I miss Larry. I watched him as a kid as Major Nelson. What a wonderful person that guy was. He will always be an Icon.
Right and Major Nelson is who he will always preferentially be to me
He thing that always gets me, if these Ewings were multi millionaires or billionaires, why did they all live in that South Fork Ranch together? My God, if my family was that wealthy I sure wouldn't want to live at home with my Parents. I'd have my own mansion to live in
The thing...
It's Colonel Sanders!
This went off the rails
Jock had retired . Now 5 yrs later he wants take over again. Not something real jock would do
Some epic hair in this episode
And this is why Dallas was sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better than dynasty
Dallas was a lot more grittier than Dynasty.
Why even start this if not going to finish it?
I thought this made an interesting story and the actor was good. However, if he had turned out to be the "real Jock" I think it would have been an insult to the late Jim Davis. He made Jock Ewing come alive and the character died when Davis died.
This storyline was an experiment to see if they could recast the role of Jock with another actor. It sadly didn't work.
The last great storyline of Dallas.
Agreed. Although the new Dallas from a few years back was pretty damn good I think. JR's Masterpiece and Cliff going down for it was the crowned jewel of the show. Hagman would have been very proud I think.
I did like new Dallas too. I liked JR's letter to Bobby.."That malignant little troll Barnes"...LOL Classic JR to the end.
@@KeithFroehlich07 this was the worst storyline of the entire series!
@@johanbrand8601
No way the whole thing with JR marrying a woman that was what 30 years younger than him? Some farmer's daughter?
That was a joke that pretty much jumped the shark of the show.
Maybe Keels best work on Dallas?
MultiCased Yes! You ain't never lied! 😃
Keel's best work on Dallas? That ain't saying much. Keel sucked.
@@reneep9972 Sad but true. He was a good character Clayton but in no way was he better than Jock Ewing.
@@reneep9972 not a fraction as much as you
That was cool dramatic scene ending
the guy who played wes parmilee would have been the perfect replacement for jock Ewing they both sounded alike and even had his mannerisms down pact that being said I just that cliffhanger music in the end
I loved Steve Forrest but have to disagree about the mannerisms being the same or even close for that matter. Wes was a very polite and well mannered guy and Jock was very gruff and didn't take any shit from anyone. But yes, had they allowed Steve to study Jim Davis a little more, I do agree he would have been a great replacement. A great looking older man. Better looking than Jim Davis.
Wes Parmalee (what a name!) is a very attractive man!
How ridiculous! I had not even known as a kid they had tried to bring back Jock! No wonder my family and I stopped watching after 1984. As if getting rid of Barbara Bel Geddes was not bad enough. The show was already going downhill....
I agree with Bob and J.R.that phoney Wes Was Not Jock
There's no such thing as
Reincarnation.Thats like someone
Coming up to me saying he's my
Dad after my dad died 23 years
Ago.
He was jock!! Jock never died. He went missing in plane crash. No body was found because he survived.
I loved this show ❤.
WOW.....CLAYTON.....HE MEANS BUSINESS....
I love it!!
And after listening to this clip once again. That's another thing Parmalee said Anyone or any of you wanting to do business with Ewing oil the man to talk to is ME. So how is Wyatt Haines (the guy Bobby said Parmalee was at the end of the story) suppose to know anything about the oil business? I would have loved if they questioned him about that. If Parmalee was able to answer those questions what excuse could they use then? Parmalee was Jock
Of course he was Jock. The Wyatt Haines explanation was only used when they had to write him off the show.
I think wes was jock. if you remember the final episode he was in it seemed like he balling out because his family could not handle the truth about who he is.
this,was,a,great storyline
Donna Miller This was a fantastic plot line, but I don’t think he was real. The real Jock Ewing would have burned the entire family and all of Ewing Oil to the ground before he backed down and ran away.
I agree, i think he was Jock and i think that is the truth he told Mrs.Ellie when he left town and i think that was why she was upset and told Clayton she talk to him latter.
They should have made him jock for real the character. Was needed
They Originally had planed for Wes to Really Be Jock. but Fans out cry at the time and outrage made them change their mind they didn't want someone else playing Jock.
if you watch the whole Storyline.. you see hints come out that he really might be jock. as the storyline went on.
That's not true. By the time, the season 10 episode premiered, the show had already filmed Steve Forrest's last episode, revealing Wes was a con. There was no fan outrage, at least none that prompted him to leave the show as he was already gone when his episodes aired.
I'm not sure. When they first brought him on in season 9 as Ben Stivers, I thought he would turn out to be Jason Ewing, Jock's brother and Jack and Jamie's father.
Yes, I thought that scene was an indicator that maybe Ben was Jason with a new face/plastic surgery because Jack got a strange vibe from him and the storyline was that Jack and Jason didn't get along.
radrobd in the early years movie jock and Jason had a big fight the night of the oil fires in pride texas and they parted ways
This whole story line was an insult to Jim Davis. Jim Davis has past on give his character respect. Steve Forrest is no Jim Davis.
Jason Gibson now if they had brought wes parmalee on as Jason Ewing,jocks brother that would have been a great story!!! Jason and jock from the early years, and Jason as uncle of bobby and jr and ray and Garry,and father of jack and jamie
Jim Davis would always be Jock Ewing
Exactly!! This storyline WAS an insult!!
@@johanbrand8601 I thought it was a great tribute to Jim to bring Jock back. Steve Forrest's performance is sometimes very akin to Jim's performance as Jock.
It would have been interesting if Wes Parmalee turned out to be Jock Ewing. Great storyline.
He actually was really meant to be Jock Ewing recast with another actor (Steve Forrest) but some of the fans of the show got into a hissy fit & felt it was disrespectful to Jim Davis who had originally played the role.
@@Via_The_Void and when Bobby was resurrected the show got cold feet and didn’t want to resurrect another character. They had also done in the beginning of dream season with mark graison. Problem with paramalee is after the cold feet it created plot holes and continuity issues that left many fans believing he was Jock but walked away. That was not the plan
They should have brought Steve Forrest as Jason instead of the fake Jock storyline
I would have preferred meeting Jason Ewing as well instead of just Jamie and Jack.
Punk had a hell of a voice.
Actor is still alive. In his ninties. Did several episodes of Gunsmoke
LOVED Punk!!!
He was intimidating as hell in the final Walking Tall as the mob boss.
Morgan Woodward, the sunglasses wearing chain gang foreman, in "Cool Hand Luke".
Clayton best badass moment
This is Clayton At his best never cared for his character but everyone is united behind Clayton there.
You go Clayton!!!!!!
clayton he's no business threatening wes
If that would've been Jock, he would have beaten the living fuck out of Farlow.
@@tombstone1111 Got that right!
@@tombstone1111 The irony is that he was intended to be Jock.
I never could take Clayton seriously. Someone that age should be focusing on trying to have solid bowel movements, and trying not to break their hip. Fistfights with guys in their late 20s and early 30s are pretty silly for someone that age. Honestly, Clayton was a classic cheesedick! My favorite Clayton scene was when he had a heart attack at the Ball. Jumping around like a jackass when Punk won. He had known Punk for five minutes, but he acted like they were childhood friends. Clayton was insufferable.
Why doesn't JR and Bobby just ask him where their birthmarks are?
Do Caucasian people have birth marks?
@@vanessadorahill292 LOL, some of us do.
A lot of Grey hair there.
Whoa, Clayton!
They pushed Wes too far!
Do business with Wes! He has no legal counsel and no knowledge of Ewing oil's accounts. 😋😄😄
He was jock just accept it
They should have made him Jock