Is It WRONG to Redesign Characters? (Why People Are Mad) || SPEEDPAINT + COMMENTARY
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Redesigns are so common in art in general and in fandom especially, it's wild to see such strong reactions to it lately. I wonder If I avoided the worst of it for so long because my fandoms were chill about it or because it has gotten worse lately.
The backlash occured because some of the people who were doing redesigns hadn't watched the shows before making the redesigns, to the point were one person was making a redesign based of fanart instead of footage from the actual show. They didn't even credit the person who's fanart they referenced then proceded to make a redesign that didn't allign with the elements of the story that the character was based on. This led to a huge junk of the community showing backlash for redesigns. Hope that explains why redesigns now get a lot of hate by default.
@@Shadowyartsdirty3 I guess i can see how that would escalate.
The gross ones are "redesigns" of changing Cannon black characters into "generic Barbie/Ken" white people.
I can't remember who, but an artist had their OC, that was Cannon black, into generic white.
@@AuroraPaintBrush4444 Oh wow, that is awful
@@Shadowyartsdirty3You’re referring to a single incident where LavenderTowne made a redesign video for Hazbin Hotel before watching it. I definitely agree she should’ve watched the whole season before making the video, but it’s still a massive overreaction to become angry and hateful over what was essentially naive ignorance. She didn’t credit the fan art she was referring to because the article she took it from never listed credit, and as far as she was aware, it was from the show itself.
You can criticize her for rushing videos and not taking time to research things properly, but I think it’s far fetched to say everyone hates redesigns because of that single incident specifically.
Maybe you’re talking about something else, but I’ve watched a ton of these redesign videos and I don’t know of anyone else who did what you mentioned aside from LavenderTowne.
I don’t think redesigns are inherently bad, especially when most artists state that they’re meant for fun. Fans of the characters should take a moment to consider if the redesign was made in bad faith instead of assuming and jumping off artists off the bat.
Lavendertowne especially makes me sad. She's always very respectful in her videos, saying multiple times how these are for fun. But the Hellaverse fandom is way too toxic for that ig. It was so sad seeing her, and other creators getting hate, and harassed for just a fun project they decided to do. It's all super sad :
@@Ja7nD03the hate she got was wrong, but redesigning characters and criticizing them while not actually knowing anything about why their designs are as such is quite disrespectful, even if done for fun. I think it stops being harmless when you criticize the character design falsely.
@@NyehNyeh12 I was referring to her new video of redesigning. The critique was okay for the first video, harassment wasn’t ofc but critique yes.
my opinion.. its okay to redsign.. i think it ccan be flattering. what isnt flattering is saying your redesigning it because you think its trash. especially animated characters who cant have too much detail becaue you have to draw it it over and over again. or because its not in an art style you like... it doesn't make it bad it just means you don't like it. That's like me taking one piece characters and redsigning them to look like bleach characters and calling it better. its uncalled for.
100 percent agree. I love redesigns, I even do them myself, I think its a great way for a community to come together and show their creativity. My problem is when the person doing the redesign has clear bad intentions. Like saying their design is better than the og or that the og is terrible and that's why they have to "fix it"
The most common reason people hate redesigns is because they call it "fixing", or at least talk about the process as if it was fixing it. (Like, 90% of Momo Yaoyorozu redesigns, even if they don't call it fixing her, definately intend to "fix" her)
Another controvery comes from race, gender, and sexuality swaps, as well as giving a character a drastically different body type, or erasing an important part of their design.
And finally, there's the cultural designs. Like, I saw a video where a group of artists redesigned Pokemon, and what they actually meant was removing every interesting feature from Pokemon because its "not accurate" (they couldn't understand that the Pokemon they were redesigning weren't based on European folklore, but instead, a variety of myths and legends from throughout the world)
What’s the Pokémon video, I would like to know how they did that
@@NoEyes Some of Subjectively's "fixing the worst Pokemon" videos, like the Gen 5 video (where they ALSO complain about Simipour being too humanoid.. and then make it MORE humanoid)
to be completely honest, I think fixing momo is justified.. as she is LIKE 15 OR 16 YEARS OLD.
Me when i see redesign of Celestia and whine of her doesn't have sun colours.
The sun Is Literally white
Is the sun not yellow/orange since its burning??? @@Amanecer458
My personal opinion is that redesigns are fine, as long as they don't say they are 'fixing' art. Because fixing implies that something is wrong with the art to begin with. I also don't like it when they do race swaps or completely change the character's attitude. Those both ruin characters.
It's not like these redesigns are cannon so idk why people would get all worked up on this
Because some people can't accept that not everyone is a fan of the original design. There's nothing malicious abt redesigns unless you go about it with the intention of "fixing" art. Fixing art and providing a redesign are not the same but they get interchanged a ton
It's not too different than taking a random oc and say "here look I made it look better", big industry artists...or just big artists: are still artists. These characters have a copyright so it depends on the intent and redesign itself.
(edit): Forgot to add, most redesign are made with no ill-intent. Such as AU designs, but I wouldn't call that a redesign.
@Luxxcia it's really up to the intent yea. If you do it with the intent of "fixing", yea I can see that being problematic. But someone going "hey here's how I would have made these :)" isn't problematic, and has been done for years. So I have no clue why people are so up in arms abt redesigns all of a sudden
Sincere thank you for touching on this topic, I seriously am sick of media stans harassing & threatening those who do redesigns, even if it's the smallest change of a character. ❤❤❤
Redesigns are fine, my only problem with the Hazbin redesigns is that a lot of them felt like their intention was to "fix" the originals, rather than just putting a fun personal spin on the characters. With like, mlp redesigns, I never had any doubt that the original designs were respected or loved, like, it never felt like the intention was to "fix" it.
I have seen hazbin resigns by people who clearly were just... playing around and having fun, and those designs didn't get the hate that these other designs got. I also think, though, that this might be fueled by the fact that Hazbin got a lot of negative press on RUclips, it was pretty difficult to find people who praised the show, and anyone who did often prefaced it with the fact they know the show is flawed
which is, of course, true
but it made it seem like you were supposed to be ashamed of liking the show, which probably made fans of the show more sensitive to criticisms or negative talk about it
hypersensitivity to criticism in response to the prescription of hyper-negativity (because the show has pretty good reviews and seems rather loved, even if the way people on youtube talked about it wouldn't have given you that impression) is a pretty common problem in fandom spaces
but, I mean, in my opinion this situation has a lot of nuisance, and a lot of that is in the context around the whole thing.
The Original lavender town video (and I adore lavender town, to be clear, and I never commented nor do I endourse the hate she got)
but her original video was bad. It set out to critique designs for a show she hadnt finished watching, and it ignored a lot of the design conventions of said show. Which would be fine if criticism wasnt her goal, but the fact that was her goal meant that it came off like
she didnt think that it was worth it to understand the reasons behind the choices made for the character designs, like she thought those designs were so bad that she could scrap everything about them
which just feels incredibly disrespectful and dismissive, and I was super disappointed
and a lot of my critique of those types of redesign videos, again, the ones made to improve on the original designs, comes from people who dismiss the originals and dont acknowledge why certain design desicions were made
the implication being that the artists behind the original designs do not deserve to be acknowledged as intelligent artists making decisions for like
reasons.
and I think thats super gross for artists to do to each other
But overall its
I dont know, thats just what I think, obviously people can disagree and I also disagree with the notion all redesigns are all bad and pretentious
Normally redesigns are fine, you just gatta do the bare necessity of like... Being... Respectful?
Yeah, HH and HB definitely have one of the strongest hatedoms as of recently, and I think it's kind of created a vicous cycle. Any actual criticism is shrugged off by parts of the fandom who think it's just blind hate, which intern creates more exagartive detractors of the show, creating a cycle. Both sides need to chill tbh. 100% agree with what you said.
Just popping in to say: AMAZING COMMENT THANK YOU. This really puts into words my own personal discomfort with the sorts of “fix-it” redesigns that feel especially prevalent with Hazbin Hotel (and, occasionally, Helluva Boss). I don’t even mind critique, but it always just came across as overly negative for the sake of being overly negative, if you know what I mean.
All this to say, thank you 🙏
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i think she brought up something similar in her fixing art video
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I think it's fascinating that there's been a big trend of drawing Miku Hatsune as if she was from your own hometown or country lately, and I've not noticed anyone shouting how "race bending is bad!!!" about it. Which has been refreshing! I remember watching all the hate that artists like Thumin would get for drawing their favorite characters black, whether as art cosplay or just a hypothetical of "what if this popular character was black?" and using that as character design practice. It's usually just for fun, yet people get so heated! It's been nice seeing people just have fun with redesigns for a bit, even if it's just for a "trend".
lavendertowne deserved none of the hate period.
While she definitely didn't deserve hate, I do feel that criticism was warranted. She herself admitted that the video was rushed and that showed in the fact that she coloured someone's fan art thinking it was official. It was still def overblown and it really showed the uglier side of the fandom and I say that as someone who is a part of it
I personally enjoy seeing redesigns. I like seeing others twist on characters in their styles. Most of the ones I've watched were just for fun and respect to the IPs. I remember someone telling me redesign videos was a form of bullying and became confused from their statement. 🤔
I felt so bad for LavanderTowne
Same.....
What happened to her?
@@zack_feldmanshe got a lot of unnecessary hate for her Hazbin hotel redesigns
@@L1_1XX how unfortunate. She’s such a kind soul.
While I think redesigns are fine, I do find it a little pretentious when people say they "fixed" a design.
3:58 Is this a Bill Wurtz reference by any chance? "Open the border. Stop having it be closed."
For me the issue comes when either the character redesign is used to change immutable characteristics of the character or it is done for profit without the blessings of the original designer. This includes if the redesigner is the copyright owner of the character but is not the creator and especially if they bought the rights to the character, or took over the company that owns the character, with the intention of changing the immutable characteristics of that and or other characters.
The only times I think it is okay to change a characters immutable characteristics are because there was a body swap or because they were reincarnated into a new body. Both of which can make for great fan fiction plots.
It is our job as artists and writers to tell a story. It is not our job to be politically correct.
Thank you so much for actually taking the time to consider this in a nuanced and respectful way. I agree with your points, so I don't really have anything to add, but I just wanted to say I'm happy to hear a voice of reason above all the bizarre aggressiveness on both sides. Another great video!
Personally? I see nothing wrong with redesigning a character *as long as it's not made with the intentions of mocking the original*
Redesigns for all i know are supposed to be fun stuff you do when you want to put your spin on an existing character and see how you'd do it in your own way, whether you want to make them historically/culturally accurate or just want to have fun
Although i can't really speak for everyone whether they're okay with their ocs to be redesigned by others, so I'd say you should ask them if they're okay with it (i personally don't mind when people redesign my ocs, i do admit I'm not the best character designer, haha)
"Character redesign is contraversial." Okay... then why does Fan Art exist, when fan art is made in a fans own representation of the original character and is usually done in a way that redesigns something, such as hair, clothing, body shape, body proportions?
Biggest example, some people draw their favorites with much bigger and larger assets than the original, some draw their favorites more cuter than the original, some draw it more "mature" from what maturity is in their perspective.
That’s a really good point
That is very true! Hell due to mild fluctuation in how one of the characters of one of my fandoms has his eyes depicted (most of the time it's green, but sometimes it's brown) I just decided "we make his eyes brown and green in this house"
Personally I like the character redesigns, and it wouldbe very cool if the redesigns being used for a show's potential episode on trying different looks, etc.
Redesigns are a blast! And I’m gonna keep drawing my MLP redesigns, thank you very much.
I do redesign videos! Funnily enough, I don't know how many of them can be considered a regular redesign because I always put a big spin on it and never try to fix or change the original media but add to the fanfare
Ultimately it's such an inconsequential thing that becomes a battleground because some 12 year old wanted to feel big by starting some "discourse"
Wait, where's squarespace? Did you get divorced?
It's surprising to see that this discourse has turned into such a big thing. I'm sure there are people out there who get too big for their britches and act like transformative work *is* an objective thing, but pretty much all of the redesigns I've seen don't claim to be anything other than subjective changes based on subjective critique. Idk, I think as long as you're upfront about what you're trying to do and give actual critique rather than hate, you're good. It always seemed to me like being transformative and incorporating oneself into the work are just the nature of fan art, redesign or not, so the concept of seeing those things as an issue is pretty foreign to me 😅
I think it all comes down to attitude, if you’re coming from a place of positivity like a “what if _ was ____” scenario or something. But when you’re coming from a place of trying to feign superiority like “this person’s designs are complete shit and I’m gonna fix them because my personal taste is the objectively correct good version”, that’s when people start having problems. Nobody likes a stuck up jerk who thinks they’re better than everyone else, but unfortunately it’s an attitude that’s become more common in the art sphere lately.
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I wanna do one just for fun, why are people hating on them?
This 'fix' trend, is just ragebait from the meme police
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Everyone's a critic on redesigns until they see R34.
Why are people mad about redesigns?
Nobody wear only one set of clothes for events from wedding to funerals no?
I personally find that it's justification to a moral high ground to "at least try to contact" and when getting no reply proceeding anyways. If you need permission you need permission, no matter if you get rejected or no reply at all.
And as someone who already sturggles with "fanart" (specially if there is profit of SOME sort), I also dont like "redesign" or "artfix" or anything like that. Create your own things.
Gee, reminds me of my artschool classmates. 90% of them were super talented and could draw everything, but at the same time, they were so not creative they NEVER knew what to draw, especially if they couldn't to still life or shit like that (aka copying)... sad times.