Dark Souls Lore | Carim, A Comprehensive Look
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2016
- In this video we will be covering topics that I haven't seen talked about anywhere else! I hope you enjoy, and be sure to let me know what you thought in the comments!
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The " grand treachery" thing probably refers to you killing her. The same way Yuria's Ashes refer to her death and how Cornyx's ashes refers to his.
"Having three founders of the Black Church ensured Yuria’s legacy would survive. Her two sisters could carry the torch, making certain their lord claims the flame, for the sake of all Hollows."
"Cornyx was tired and defeated until he discovered one final pupil, like so many pyromancers before him"
Basically their ashes is being written in "real time".
I think the shape of the Eygon helmet is the head of a Gargula, just like its hammer that looks like a roof with four girdles, as we know the gargoyles symbolize that the demon never sleeps and that he keeps constant vigilance of the people of that place, The same thing that Eygon does, keeps constant vigilance of the maiden.
upon a closer look at the ring, helmet, and hammer, it looks like they all have the appearance of a bat either in or on them which makes sense because the the goddess and her chime.
What you said made me think now, about Lautrec and Anastacia, I know she's from Astora, but what if Lautrec came and brought her to Lordran? And forced her to become a fire keeper? And cut off her tongue so she would not say anything or curse them? Listening to Eygon, he and Lautrec look like two sides of the same coin, both serve the two goddesses of Carim, both are knights, while Eygon honors his words and hates betrayal, Lautrec cares little for honor, much less for betrayal, and both are more or less "linked" to a fire keeper, but what made me think about it was Lautrec's last dialogue "That Keeper has served me well, but ... enough with her ... Keh heh heh heh ..."
bite rings, spear for sapping hp... Arstor the Impaler... hes a vampire. dracula. vlad the impaler. etc
oh, i'd like to request a video similar to this one but about Astora, as carim and astora both intrigue me heavily due t items and npc
Yes, I agree that an Astora video would be very interesting! Same goes for Mirrah, I think.
Arstor Earl of Carim = Vlad Tepes, Count Dracula
And don't forget Morne who seems to look like a vampire-bat thing. Oh my... Carim is a land of vampires!
Nitenshi No, it's France. The cathedral they mention have gargoyles, same as the one in France
I think the line "I've long dealt in dark, it is my calling" has less to do with Carim and it's connections with dark sorcery, and more to do with being a firekeeper
Irina's "grand treachery" may have something to do with the Firekeeper Eyes you find in the darkened Firelink shrine - they appear in the same location Irina usually sits in and giving them to the Firekeeper lets you perform the "grand betrayal" as Ludleth puts it. Perhaps in a previous cycle, Irina did indeed become a Firekeeper who could see into the age of dark?
You know seeing an enlarged fire keeper soul doesn't half look like the chest of the Four Kings.
Nice video BTW, it's also great to see some new DS3 lore from you Mitch.
Thanks mate, always good to see you in the comment sections.
We hit 5k subs! Thanks everyone :D
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I wonder if Morne's name is just random or is named Morne because Caitha mourns undeserving dead.
people are usually named from birth so it's unlikely that his parents knew he was gonna be a big bad champion of caitha
I agree, that was the first thing that came to my mind when I read his name. I'm sure it was deliberate to give him this name.
Quality video man; a real joy to watch.
Thanks ST. I've been watching your video for a while now so it's great to hear that from you.
Watching this video, I thought of something. I've never seen it mentioned before.
Patches is from Carim.
He's got the same pale skin and sharp features that mark men like Oswald and Lautrec, and he ruthlessly distrusts clerics, calling them greedy and corrupt. And the clerics we hear most about being corrupt, or doing questionable things concerning human sacrifice, are from Carim.
could londor and carim be one in the same? Im asking because of three things.
1.Oswalds occupation as velka, this would mean nothing, but I believe velka is a heavy influence in the sable church of londor, as both oswald and yuria sell the miracle vow of silence. And velka was against the gods, so itd make sense that londor would also worship her as they too are against the gods and their age of fire.
2. the existence of the frostbite ring, the one we get from elfriede. this ring will have had to been made more recently, as frost was not something people used in either dark souls one or 2, meaning that elfriede will have had to have gotten this ring from its origins, meaning that wherever she came from, londor, had to be near carim in some way.
3. and this is what got me thinking, is the last line of the usurp the fire ending, when yuria speaks "Make londor WHOLE again" its an odd detail and a very specific choice of words. This implies the whole of londor has been either split up or londor broke off from a bigger land, like perhaps carim? the velka refferences, the fact that both velka and caitha are both dipped into dark magic, and that oswald who favours velka and is refered to as "oswald of carim" implies that londor is a broke off point of carim.
Im going to tell a story, this is merely speculation, but lets see if it makes sense to you.
Dark souls one, the land of new londo as been turned dark by the abyss, its many residents either dead or gone , and dark wraiths roam. Dark stalker kaathe, the primordial serpent, must leave new londo and find somewhere new to begin. so kaathe takes the survivers of new londo, all attuned to their use of the dark hand and power of the abyss, to the distant land of carim. While in carim, kaathe remains in hiding, and the old residents of new londo now reside in carim. while hear, they learn of velka and her views against the gods. time passes with their worship of both velka and thay of kaathe grows stronger, until 3 sisters build.a new church during dark souls 2, the sable church of londor, and split some of carim into londor. the church a hybrid worship of the abyss and velka, and kaathe influencing them in the shadows. roll dark souls 3
I like your well backed theory myself but the only thing I feel is off is that Oswald probably was not a follower of the sable church because in my thoughts, the sable church was newly erected after the time of the 1st and 2nd dark souls era (dark souls 1&2) however I could be wrong because Velkas daughters (I'm fairly certain the three sisters of the sable church are Velkas daughters) *COULD BE* seen as the shadowy silhouettes in the rare ring of sacrifice. The sable church is a prominent establishment and somewhat powerful religion, I just feel like it would have been mentioned during Oswald's time if it existed back then.
@@torrablackwell5701 I know, I did say the sable Church was founded around the time of dark souls 2 to dark souls 3. Oswald is very much a priest of velka rather than the sable Church.
This was such a great video, explains a lot about carim and their culture!
eygon: it's not like i want to protect her or something. baka
The one thing that has always bugged me with DS2 lore is that everything that happened during DS or even before that is forgotten and then curiously remembered in later cycles. The bite rings for example, in DS2 nobody knows they were crafted by sir Arstor but in DS3 which happens to be a later cycle the item description is there for all to see.
I always just assumed the helm was just another berserk reference
Your name is a berserk reference because your name starts off with B. What else starts with B? Berserk
@@galil5386 Dark souls was heavily heavily based off of Berserk so it's not unheard of to say.
@@Bettersucksaul Yeah not unheard of but its like the whole game's a berserk reference to some people
such an underrated channel. great work man, keep it up
So glad i found it
Ive just stumbled on this video but i gotta say wow. What a great telling
Damn I lost it at firekeeper's 'derp'. Great video! Really well-structured and thoughtful!
She's all like "WEWW LOOK AT DE FWAME"
There's something interesting about Irina, I figured in watching your video. It seems like she is tied with Caitha. Firstly because the relation between a maiden and her knight is supposed to reflect the relation between Morne and Caitha. But the most important thing, Caitha is believed to be either a goddess or a demoness, and is thus very ambivalent, much like Irina can lean toward Light or Dark.
I'm really not sure Caitha clergy is opposed of the linking of the fire, there's nothing to corroborate it. In fact, the Dark aspect of Caitha seems to be hidden by Morne (as her chime is a secret kept amongst clerics). But even though, it's not because she have an affinity toward the Dark, she embrace it and want the end of the fire (considering she ever exists, of course).
Also, there's someone I totally overlooked, it's the Archbishop of Carim. I first thought he was Morne but Morne is an Apostle so I wonder who he could be as he is never named. Could he be Lloyd? I don't think so, he's probably a new character in the story.
Very excited to watch this!
I'm excited to see what you think!
The Impaler titel is also the titel of Dracula. The Bite Rings explaines them selves in that context :)
and as u said, earl is similar to Count.
also, morne's armor looks similar to a gargoyle, and gargoyles were usually built onto churches etc. to "protect" them
Great vid, man. You're a good loremaster. Subscribed.
Maybe not have quite so much footage of you getting your ass kicked by mobs, though.
lmaooo
This turned out great! I'm really glad I got to discuss things with you prior to the video!!
Thanks for your help!
Thanks for the in-depth lore!
Thank you for watching!
ahhh! Solution, I keep seeing you pop up on /r/darksouls3 a lot! glad the community congregates around interesting RUclipsrs!
Thanks for this, very insightful.
Cheers dude!
Congrats on the 5k! Love your videos :)
thank you! love the support.
I think it likely that there's a connection between the feared "malleable stone" of the bite rings and the stony material of Morne's armor. The knights of carim are heavily tied to the church, and clerics dabble freely in the use of malleable stone. Food for thought.
I was wondering about that. It'd be interesting to know if the armour is made out of something other than titanite, as I theorise.
Very, very good video. Thank you so much. :)
I'm not really into Dark Souls lore as I am with Bloodborne, but since I got a copy of DS3 for 10 euros I'm going to get into it in the upcoming weeks. So, to kickstart this new adventure full of ridiculous deaths, a friend and I created our characters in advance and started to toy a bit with their backstories. Y'know, to get an idea of who our characters used to be before and do some fun roleplay between us as we chat or play together. When he told me his character was going to be from Carim, I immediately showed him this video to inspire him! :D
Glad to hear it!
How much is ten euro, in Canadian dollars?
Should be around 14.45 CAD. Pretty cheap! And I enjoyed the game so much so I'd say it was definitely worth it :)
the ring and tome are both near those dog, which are the only fat ones in the entire game... maybe they were eaten just before we got there. also, eigons weapon is extremely similar to the Grant in DS1 and even has the same stats requiredto use it
Awesome video! Ty!
Thanks!
Ah, another video! Always a pleasure!
I figured that Eigon was sort of tired of Erina due to the fact that despite the fact they were traveling together most if not all of the hardships had fallen on Eigons shoulders including the casting of miracles as well as physical comabt seeing as Erina is chronically enfeebled and didn't seem to be of much use on their journey.
the ring is a beautiful tear of caitha and so if tears are more beautiful near death then maybe caitha is dead or dying hence the theme that will be developed in the dlc's of ending the gods.
also why does our touch free her from the dark and how does she know we're a champion because of this? can't think of anything, any ideas
Maybe the Darkness gets temporarily frightened away by a vessel for cinder/embers.
Around 15:00, its dark miracles that she strengthens ;) good vids as usual though
if in carim sacrifices are performed in order to make special equipment could aygon's shield be his sister's transposed soul?or something like the rings?just find the unique skill curious as if she resents him?
It could be. I get the feeling that Eygon does hold a little bit of bitterness towards Carim, even though we can't really tell why.
really interesting thought
Maybe carims, I could only think transposition could be how arstor made the bite rings, definitely some sort of human sacrifice. Either way this definitely made me rethink some of the aspects of carim. Carim could be why patches hates clerics too. XD
As usual, amazing insights and i am glad you popped back over to Dark Souls with something so unexpected! i am curious though, you didn't mention anything about Tears of Denial's DkS2 as I assume you dont deem it important? I would love to knowif there is any connection because orginally it was a miracle of Shulva.
I really miss the way you presented your video from the Mound-Makers one but I can understand how long it takes to dish out such amazing finds. keep up the wondrous work! (P.S. eagerly waiting on the Old Hunters take you will do... i only need the patience!)
That's really interesting about the Denial miracle, I'm annoyed that I missed that. I'm just about to playthrough the Sunken King for the first time so I'll come back to on whether Shulva/Sanctum have any connection to Carim. I know next to nothing about it but imagine a Kingdom drowned by Caitha's tears. That would be cool.
In what way do you feel that the Mound Maker's video is different to this one? Was it because this one was more revolving around text while the Mount Makers was based around action? Thanks for your feedback! (More Bloodborne stuff in the future)
+Mitch L oh goodness! i just made a silly assumption that you would have played through it by now! please enjoy and sorry if i spoiled anything.
i definitely thought it was the most cinematic and engaging of all, but also maybe its what really made me get into your content so it may be a bit of a personal bias.
Hooray, cant wait!
Iakov Kurekhin I'll be honest, I really enjoyed making that video, it as good that I had a lot of visuals to work with, unfortunately since there isn't a lot of Carim to actually see in DS3, there wasn't much I could show, but I totally agree.
That's why I can't wait to cover the DLC. The snowy landscapes will make for some amazing shots.
maybe Morne as an Apostle could be related to Berserk's Apostles, where their "true" form was demonic and monstrous, thus inspiring the helmet design to be dragon/bird-like.
it's pretty far-fetched theory for sure, but it just clicked in my head for some reason
seems legit. Miyazaki dabbles in Berzerk
Your name is a berserk reference because you have a U as the second letter of your second name. Who else has U as the second letter of one of their names? Guts
Its not even happening to me but seeing you try to deal with that cathedral knight stoked my hatred for that enemy.
I don't think she was paralyzed. When you make her a firekeeper, she is standing.
Look again. No she isn't.
sir Fralim reporting in I loved it sir
Earl Arstor's name sounds very like Astora and I do remember something about a "master craftsman" in your Astora video, maybe a connection?
I still think that Caitha is/was Maiden Astraea. A benevolent figure that helps to comfort the lost, but has a demonic side.
Also, Morne was Garl Vinland.
I really want to play Demon's Souls :P PS3s are very cheap now, which is a good thing.
Same. I never had a PS3. Had a ps2 though.
demon souls isn't connected to the rest of the souls series sadly. although it would make sense if they were
Has From Soft ever explicitly stated that? I honestly can't remember, but even if they have, we can't always trust them. The lore is up to the community to decide how it's interpreted. And there's some evidence if you know where to look.
Chester is from Yharnam.
Saying Eygon is conflicted by Irina becoming a fire keeper is just wrong. He wants her to. He is pissed that she failed to do it at first. And the suggestion he supports the Dark is ridiculous. He kidnaps Irina if she learns any dark miracles, specifically to keep her from becoming corrupted by the dark. He swore to kill her if she did. Plus, the Morne ring doesnt boost Dark Miracles.
>an unique mineral resembling stone
>the helm has the apperance of a dragon
i just gonna leave that one there
Carim is the ringed city
6:21 True R1 spammer right there... other than that great video!!
Seeing as R1 is the primary button to attack...ya you will see lots of people using the button.. your comment is stupid and makes no sense, that’s like playing video games with friends and saying you can’t use this gun because I always die to it? You child get gud
I know the beast is from astora, but anyone see there might be a possible link between the beast of the evil eye and the spear favored by Arstor? both restore HP...
Aegon sounds like a realistic Jorah Mormont
So about the bite rings and the purging stones, I think its safe to say Arstor made the purging stones, but where it talks about him commissioning someone to make the rings I think it's just talking about the metal bit. After all, if you find a rock you REALLY like you can commission someone to set it into a ring for you, and I think he made the stones to be set into the rings. This wasn't theories or anything just an observation about the "commission" bit.
SculpterDan A commission is just payment for something, like placing an order, simple.
Eygon the tsundere knight
I didn't think Chester's location was disclosed
I swear I can hear very faintly The Light Of The Seven soundtrack from Game of Thrones in the background lmao or am I going mad?
IT IS!! AYYYY
"poisonous meats"
"gain HP"
hm
That doesn't seem to fit.
the bit about linking the fire being something the carim religion would be against seems wrong to me. If we consider the description of caitha's charm it sounds as though the hex and dark aspects of the religion were only known about by the tippest of the top auhtorities, and kept a secret from the masses. It's a bit similiar to how the way of white was telling humans that linking the fire would cure the darksign while simultaneously 'prudicing' the undead themselves.
what if Lautrec's maiden was the firelink guardian and DaS3 was trying to retcon Lautrec's plot in DaS?
This is what I was beginning to think.
What if Lautrec had a similar roll of looking after Anastacia, but instead of supporting her decision, Lautrec tried to kill her. Maybe that was why he was imprisoned and his returning to Firelink was finishing what he had started.
Are we going to get anymore Bloodborne lore? Keep up the great work
I will be, yes.
5:20
Uh
So, caithas chime in ds3 can cast miracles too
Could this mean that miracles are tied in general to hexes of old?
Another reason why Patches hates clerics.
Could you make a comprehensive look at catarina?? i mean assumptions could be made because of the lack of information but yeah just want more CATARINA
there is a term for characters like morne...tsundere ." Not like I care if become a fire keeper or anything baka "
I know I'm about 2 years out of fashion for commenting on this video, but I am really enjoying your videos!
Probably past time for caring much about this thought, but you (and many others) seem to take it as anything connected to the Dark must against the Age of Fire and therefore the Way of White. And when you operate under this assumption there are a lot of seeming contradictions in lore. Lots of confusing motives.
But, there is a lot of evidence to suggest there are Dark-attributed actors who are consistently working to prolong the Age of Fire and forestall the Age of Dark.
The best example of such an actor I can think of is Alsanna the Silent Oracle from the final DS2 DLC. She is a daughter, a fragment of Manus, yet inspired by her king she uses her power to contain the Old Chaos within Eleum Loyce. She is fully committed to her king's ideals.
Granted their deal is about containing whatever the Old Chaos is; not necessarily prolonging the Age of Fire. But, I think there are a lot of parallels. The Old Chaos is some spreading destructive force similar to the Abyss. The king used his mighty soul to build Eleum Loyce and then sacrificed himself to save the world from the Old Chaos, just as Gwyn sacrificed himself to prolong the Age of Fire to keep the Age of Dark at bay.
Personally, I think the Way of White was founded by such a Dark-attributed actor who was committed to Gwyn's vision of preserving the Age of Fire.
But, the main point is just because someone is Dark doesn't necessitate they're anti-Fire. Overcoming your nature for the greater good type shit.
i think Caitha was a firekeeper
Who else noticed 6:24 R1 spam
Playing through DS1 again and the tear stone rings claim to be from Catarina. So are Catarina and Carim are the same place? And why is the city still going by both names since both Seigmeyer and Morne both still exist in the same realm? How freaking old is Seigmeyer?
hm, i think only the Blue Tearstone Ring claims to be from Catarina.
I don't think Catarina and Carim are the same. Check the character creation, there are different character/face examples for both locations. :)
21:35 she is wearing gloves though
But can someone explain why the blue tear stone is from catarina
Carim the "tfw no gf" Kigndom
Are you still planning on continuing this topic? It seems you've covered a lot of things in the Dark Souls and Bloodborne lore following this but haven't created the second part of the Carim videos. At least, not that I can see...
What is the Darude-sandstorm please? 8D
PS: Oh wait I just realized it was the Light of the Seven! I knew it was some special amazing shit!
lol "agon"
i know im a bit late to the video,but eygons older sister likely got on his nerves and that why the ability on his shield is called moan,everyone with siblings will tell you the same you love them but they get on your nerves
one thing I don't understand is after hearing how Noble he was Eygan with his Maiden why does it seem that he seems so hateful and angry towards her when you approach her in the cell
Like in the video, I think he's more frustrated than angry. A knight's duty is important to him, even if he doesn't like dealing with Irina's bs.
Atleast we had a firekeeper XD so That dude is just jalous of our fire shrine and keeper 😀
no
+DarkBear just a joke jeez ofcourse he is not.
Irena is Eygons sister
Whats the name of the song in the background !!! Ahahhhh
Link to fanart at 1.15 and 1.25 please?
Hell if you had all the fanart sources that'd be amazing, ta.
an alternate definition of anathama can mean "a curse from the pope", it's literal definition is something people generally dislike.
The meaning of archdeacon is that of a high priest in modern Christian terminology.
the definition of Pontiff is literally Pope.
Sulyvahn's at it again boys.
Poor understanding of European titles. Earl = Count (Earl would have been used in say, the UK, equivalent to a Count on the continent). Sir does not imply knighthood, it could be the honorary prefix of the Earl. Earl was not replace by duke, duke is simply a higher ranking title - although earl is pretty high up there. So this guy was probably a powerful figure in Carim with a significant domain.
What's the song in the back
I'm going to start including track listings for my videos soon :)
Light Of The Seven
Idk why he didn't just say that lmao
Fromsoft have enough lore in dark souls for another 3 games.
Im as good as an as good as
alright then
Im using Proxy Holy shit what lmao
Fine line between lore and fan fiction....when will its pompous spewing end?
When you produce something better my dude :)
+Mitch L Not knocking the production value, if you're speaking from a technical standpoint. For what it's worth, you and Paragon have some of the higher tier production quality lore vids. Just that line between reference and inference....sometimes causes fan fiction. It happens....
What if...Carim and Catarina are the same region but in different timelines/dimensions hence sharing the same goddess but whose purpose has changed from mourning for those close to death to mourn for those who have lost loved ones?
That could explain the reason for the same looking ring, but in different color and effect.
lol, halfway thru the video, just thought id point out, those are NOT her fingers you weirdo, shes wearing gloves : P
Astor the Impaler, so like Vlad the Impaler. Pretty sure its safe to assume Carim is like Romania.