"Berenike" is the anglicized version of the ancient Greek name "Βερενίκη", which is a name given to women. This might mean that Berenike is actually not the name of the land they come from, but the queen they serve? There is a village of the same name somewhere in the mountains of Greece, every time I drive by and see the sign it reminds me of Dark Souls.
@@saxogatley1166 You mean Baldr? Don't say words like appropriate if you're trying to seem serious. You don't really get the context. "Appropriated" is actually just "inspired" with unnecessarily added negative connotation. Most cultures appreciate when other people enjoy or make reference to them instead of getting needlessly offended
Couple of things: "jon hancock" pointed out that the silver and gold coins are both found in Anor Londo in mimic chests. Also, there is the "Soul of a Proud Paladin" in DS3, but there isn't anything in the description to make me think that there is a connection to Paladin Leeroy. Still wanted to make the correction when I said Leeroy was the old mention of a Paladin in the series. Thank you to the commenter who pointed that out. I'll make actual annotations for these in the video when I get back after the weekend. Also the music! I know I forgot to put it in the description. I'll update it when I'm at a computer, but for now the track listing is: -"Dark Sun Gwyndolin Theme" -"Deacons of the Deep Theme" -"Light of the Seven" from GoT -"Time" from Inception
I don't buy into it at the moment. That "thing" doesn't really look like what I would expect Lloyd to look like, honestly. He's said to have a halo above his head and wield a sword. That being said, it could still be him, which would be very interesting, so I'm looking forward to experiencing the DLC nonetheless. Hopefully there will be a lot of lore videos to be made from it!
I heard the theory somewhere on the internet but I think it was made by Vaati. He mentioned in his analysis of the DLC trailer that he believes the boss to be Lloyd. You should watch it.
If you look at the gold coin and imagine seeing a face looking to the right, it kinda matches up with the DLC boss. Long hair, long face, short, upturned nose, almost skeletal-looking. That is if he isn't looking to the left, which produces a different "face". Along with Hawkshaw's video, I'm all on board with the curse being made by the WoW until it became an actual epidemic. Lloyd becoming an exile and losing power and influence, except inside this magical painting, seems like a fitting punishment. That and possibly becoming undead himself and getting doused with Estus, which he made a counter for in the real world.
I love your videos, man. Some of the highest quality lore I've seen so far. I also respect you for being able to call out some of the bigger channels like ENB and Vaati. I have enjoyed their content as well, but you've got balls, sir.
This video kind of cemented a seed that had been in my head for a long time. Namely, that you HAVE to die to go to Lordran. It’s not simply a rite. Every character who has come to Lordran has had to be undead to do it. I used to think certain things were weird and incompatible, like Gwyn having an uncle when he is one of the first 5 people to exist. But I think it makes a lot of sense when you consider that everything before the Age of Fire happened in some land of the living, where nearly every character in the game was living at some point. The Age of Fire wasn’t the true beginning for humanity. During the Age of Ancients, people were off doing lots of cool stuff, just not in Lordran, because to get to Lordran you had to be dead and no one yet had figured out how to be dead yet still alive. Of course, this is pretty speculative, but it makes so many things so much more sensible, to me.
Copper coin depicts a Old Man McLoyf god of drink and medicine, I always thought he was the third New Londo Sealer. The others, of course Ingward, and Yuri I believe. Balder and Berenike had similar goals, and while Balder was a nation, Berenike was just an order of knights. Since they had similar goals and often found in the same places, could it be that Berenike order is from Balder. While there is no hints behind it a lot of people assume that Tarkus was leader of the Berenike Order, based off of similar equipment. I do not believe anyone created the Undead Curse, nor can anyone create an Undead. It's a natural phenomenon that occurs when the flame fades the light souls die and the dark soul takes control. Leeroy was not "produced" or created, he unfortunately went Undead and trying to rid themselves of him the Way of White sent him on a suicide mission that only the undying could achieve. Alfather Lloyd, I'm not sure if I want to shout out all my ideas on him if you were going to make a video specifically on him, but... Allfather Lloyd runs the Way of White. His symbol is the white circlet. He apparently is Gwyns uncle. First I believe that Allfather Lloyd is the one and only God of Dark Souls universe. Gwyn, Nito, and the Witch of Izalith were all self proclaimed gods, I just refer to them as Lords, but Lloyd is the true God. He's not Gwyn's uncle, that's just gibberish that all kings say to get Divine Right to rule. The Way of White praises Lloyd not Gwyn. Gwyneth is only the messenger of Lloyds will. Lloyd is not of this world, he is the all-knowing, all-seeing, formless deity, that watches over the world from the heavens. Now in DS3, Lloyd has been forgotten, the Way of White disbanded becoming the Way of Blue. Then the Angels descended from the heavens. Why? Maybe some dlc will tell.
You clearly dont know what angels are in DS3. And there is no evidence to back up your theory on Lloyd. And finally, you already fight one of the Sealers aiding Lautrec and loot another Sealer's corpse in Blighttown.
@@ibn_adham No I don't so enlighten me. My proof is parallels to real life history. Lloyd is set up exactly how God is portrayed in all religions. Last one, your probably right, I don't know where I got that idea.
This, my friend, is possibly my favorite Video on your Channel. I Love the Balder Knights. I Love everything about them. Their Moveset or... theyre fun to Fight. Perfect in every way.
Balder and Berenike Knights can be found at these locations i. Undead Church - Both Balder and Berenike, but Berenike only exist once ii. Sen's Fortress - Both Balder and Berenike iii. Painted World of Ariamis - Only Berenike It seems to be that Berenike Knight have different mission because the last place we found them is in the Painted World before the Priscilla fog gate, and Black Iron Tarkus body found before the painting. It looks like they are specifically searching for that painting and get inside to meet with Priscilla The last place we found Balder Knight is inside Sen's Fortress, in my opinion, their mission is to stop Berenike Knight for some reason. But because of both becoming hollows, they both turn on us The Chosen Undead.
I'm so happy I wasn't the only one who felt like this lore was not really touched upon at all. I feel like there's many other topics and all of the souls games that haven't been touched upon at all, or just mentioned. Your videos are awesome keep up the good work! :)
I often find that Dark Souls has a lot of unspoken lore and interesting tales, so congratulations on providing this information. It is very interesting stuff and your research has much depth to it. Thank you for the video~
Great video man. I like that it adds nicely to Hawkshaw's one 'The Way of White', which theory made much sense to me and accepted it quite smoothly. I truly hope that one of these upcoming DLCs takes us to some of these human lands outside Lordran, where we could find more clues about Velka and the Furtive Pygmy. It's deliberated the fact that at this point we still don't know much about them. That you can make a Beatrice lore video and not a convincing one about Velka-Pygmy, being these two hugely important characters. It'd be nice if you could risk a theory about them :)
You've made a very good point about "spawn" of the undead and Way of White. Now the intro makes more sense for me, especially the moment, when the girl (probably member of the church) is dropping a little ember on dead body (probably she's making the dark sign inside this man and by that, creating an undead) My thoughts about Balder: we know that knight king Rendall failed. Or did he? That's what Crestfallen Merchant says but he also says that Tarkus failed to reach Anor Londo and we know it's not true. When we kill Gwynevyre we're attacked by one balder knight and one berenike knight. They're the only ones in human form in whole game. There is a possibility that the unhollowed balder knight is actually knight king Rendal, as we've never found his body earlier, or fought his hollowed version (if he failed in Sens Fortress, we could've met him just like prince Riccard). On the other hand that knight drops nothing related to the king, but still, legends about him are too glorious for somebody to be unable to defeat iron golem. Lastly, some words about Berenike: Tarkus is the most interesting character of that land, especially his place of death near the painting. My theory is that he dragged attention of guardians and by that let other Berenike knight(s) safely enter the Painted World of Ariamis. We fight one respawning knight just before Priscilla and she says "this land is peaceful, its inhabitants kind" which suggests Berenike knight is ok living in that world. I also believe gold and silver coins belonged to Berenike and Balder knights who have joined darkmoon blades as it was their last act of leaving connection with human world.
Great video,these little pieces of lore add a lot of hints on what started this mess that is the Dark Souls's reality. Any theories on how the Way of White(and above all Allfather Lloyd) could create the Curse,if that's the case?
This was an awesome video! Just recently found you and you put out great stuff! And if you're looking for some more info on Balder and the Berenike knights you should check out Plague of Gripes DS1 playthrough, he gets really into them and their etymology when he hits Sen's fortress
Hey man! I don't know how I forgot about this channel, I watched the Giants video when it came out. I don't know why I haven't subscribed yet, well, I guess I got some binge-watching to do!
I know I'm super late, but i was thinking about the description of the steel protection ring. It states that by legend, knight king Randall slashed drake in pieces, and if we take it as truth, the only dragon cut in pieces is the undead dragon in painted world. So maybe, Randal, pretty much alone, made it to anor londo, even to the painting. MAYBE he's the berenike knight you find there. There isn't pretty much any information about kingdom of Berenike, and balder and berenike knights had very much same goals and were fighting together, as you can see from the duo in dark anor londo
I'm pretty sure some items talk about people believing that linking the fire allegedly cures hollowing (it obviously doesn't) and could be a reason that the balder knights wanted to fulfill the prophecy.
I want some lore on how the games dark souls 1-3 and how they eras have changed, how known heros fade into legends and possibly where past areas may be now or how they have changed in the world.
Couldn't it be reasoned the Berenike were trying to find a cure, or at the least some bloody answers? Knowing only that the undead curse is associated with the gods of Anor Londo. It must have been a tough time for the Baldur Knights as well thinking about it, knowing the source of the curse and I guess their intent must have been the usurpation of the flame plus the bonus of the strength of the lord soul pieces they could gather. Is there any correlation between Lotheric and where Baldur was supposed to be?
I think the undead curse goes back to the seed of evil back in Demons Souls, who was likely the cursed offspring of both the Great Tree and the vice of man. I always wondered what the difference between an undead and demon. Whether its possession from fell souls or rampart madness... Perhaps a combonition of both. its interesting enough to speculate about.
no discussion about tarkus? he was probably an elite knight of berenike, and his corpse may lend some insight into what these guys wanted from anor londo
the Berenike knight who is a member of the Darkmoon covenant isn't the only one to make it to Anor Londo Black Iron Tarkus also technically made it to Anor Londo he just fell off the rafters and died.
I'm surprised that it's like no Japanese people ever really told to other people what their understanding of the same item descriptions are in their own langage in YT comment sections... Or even other places, I guess...
I don't think its that crazy If these kingdoms actually originated in Boletaria. Even Paladin Leeroy seems to be venerating Garl Vinland. The shield designs of Berenike, Tarkus, and Baldur could fit in the Boletarian coat of arms now to mention it. Check it out its not that insane to piece it all together.
"His insides were lined with metal" I am the only one who thinks it's suspicious that this gargantuan legendary warrior said to have endurance unlike any other supposedly is felled in sens fortress and now there is an Iron Golem???
In regards to the Way of White creating the curse, I would cordially disagree. I would think the religion formed, or reformed, around the undead curse. As for "spawning" and "producing" undead, I consider it more as they would force people to BECOME undead as a way of controlling the populace/ help ensure the fire is linked. They did not necessarily create the curse. After all, the curse appears two more times with the absence of the way of white. As for my opinion of how the curse arouse because it is the natural state of humans/gods/etc. Now, my evidence should be taken with a grain of salt since it might be symbolic more than literal. The opening movie for Dark Souls shows hollows and the furtive pygmy as the originators of humans at the about to start age of fire. It's likely humans gained their more human appearance because of the age of fire and the linking of the flames is needed to make them mortal and not undead. I believe the undead are attached to bonfires/ fires because of Gwyn's linking of the fire (maybe?) and caused him to turn hollow. Or perhaps it is because of undead's mix of soul, humanity, and curse that allows them to (not sure).
Ok this is so interesting. I didnt play the first dark souls because it felt so clunky but when you gameplay photage looks so fluid. Do you have mods or something or you pc is better than mine? Note that dark souls 2 feels so much better
I have the 60 fps unlocked and that's it. I actually feel the complete opposite; I kinda loathe how DS2 feels to play. I guess it depends what you're used to.
what if knight king rendel is the first born after his god status was taken. it would explain why he wants to get to anorlondo and why there are balder knights in sens fortress. intrestingly, the serpent men also connect to the nameless king. im not saying the idea is completely flawless,but there is some thematical symmetry.
side note: ricard has the elite knight set in ds1 but in ds3 he is summoned naked, and anri has a stolen armor set. do you think anri took it off him? or hte elite knight against the fountain at the very beginning of the game.. or perhaps, that was ricard
Wait!!! In 15:00 -iis, the Balder knight and the other one (I forgot its name) are found in the orenstein and smough area, AFTER gwyndolin stops his illusion, which means orenstein and smough were illusions! I have no doubts about it, can anyone back up my theory?
The fact you fight "Ornstein" again in 2 (and his weapon is in 3, right?) may mean he's an illusion... if he was up with the NK training then the one in Anor Londo may be fake, if it makes you feel better :3
How the hell can Gwyn have an uncle, Gwyn is literally the Father of the Gods, if he had an uncle then he'd have to have a father, he was the first of his race and nothing but a hollow before finding the Light Soul in the First Flame
I think it can be pretty fairly surmised using the evidence we have available. I like to think of the hollows we see in the first cinematic as being ancient humans reduced to creatures that are neither living nor dead by the Age of Ancients rolling around, and the kinda "Ash seeketh Embers" thing where the hollows were attracted to the first flame but most were burnt to ash except the 4 we know as the bearers of the soul and then they spilt there souls to make there respective races then marched on the Dragons, which means Gwyn is the very first of the "God" race
Given that the Painter Girl refers to Gael as Uncle Gael, yet he is almost certainly not of biological relation to her, I take it that the relationship between Lloyd and Gwyn was of a similar nature, not one of blood relation but one of affection and admiration.
So it’s not just me? Granted, I’m only as far as ds1, but short of later games saying “Yeah, actually, all that stuff wasn’t true, the REAL story is completely different.” which I certainly wouldn’t put past them, I really, really can’t imagine how that could possibly make any sense whatsoever...
It can be reset and I think it's defeat is what triggers the bat demons to come down in the first place, so it's not unreasonable to say that you become the chosen undead when you beat the thing etc, etc. The Gods are looking to kindle the flame after all.
I can’t remember what lead me to believe this. But I’m rather positive that the berenike knights are not from a place called berenike but are instead knights serving under a special knight named berenike. They are knights in berenikes likeness therefore berenike knights. I believe knight berenike is from balder himself
Lol this is TOTALLY speculation. But what if knight King rendal became the iron golem. We know that its core had a dragon knuckle. What if it was the dragon which this powerful man cut down. And they fused his soul to it. It'd make more sense why the STRONGEST summon wants to help you with a pretty easy fight :)
Honestly I wish we got more reference to Balder and Berenike in 3. Lore-wise both sequels of Dark Souls 1 are kind of a mess. Dark Souls 2 gives little to no actual lore or answer and simply piles on more questions, and throws stuff willy-nilly (its nature as a delayed and half-finished sequel being part of the problem), and 3 felt more like the spiritual 2 that just happens to have references to the actual DS2, rather than a proper followup.
Your vids cover so much more depth and breadth of a given souls topic compared to Vaati m8. This vid is extremely appreciated. Not naysay Vaati, but in comparison to how comprehensive your vids are, his vids feel like sparknotes.
the entire vid is purely speculative. based on a description that can be read in a total different way( balder set). no connection between thorolund and balder has been made. also we dont know if rendall was undead (onion bro daughter).
The point is that when u start your vid by saying that it is a subject that hasn't been explored enough and that enb's vid was silly suggests or implies that you have a fuller aspect of the subject. Yet you don't. And maybe that was the reason why there are very few mentions on that subject. There is simply not enough info on Balder or Vinheim or Carim or..... a lot of parts of the game. That is the point.
You'd be amazed at what kind of information can be extracted by putting pieces together regarding obscure parts of the story. I made a video on Carim that was over half an hour long which had a very rigorous investigation process to put every single piece of evidence together to form a semi-complete look at the unseen kingdom, but I suppose that's all "baseless speculation" as well, right? if you know about the design philosophy that Miyazaki has, then you'd know that the story structure doesn't just allow speculation, it encourages it.
Look i don't want to be disrespectful or demeaning. This vid is also ~20 min. I know about Miyazaki and his design philosophy.Which could also be interpreted as he is doing half the job and the rest of us just complete it.The thing about Balder is that it is barely mentioned in the entire trilogy. And using a coin to connect it to thorolund is a leap i wouldn't never make (and not for a lack of imagination). Also if you look at the balder sword desc. the word spawn is replaced by the word outbreak (go figure, but it follows the rules of the curse). That goes against the 'spawned' part of your theory. Which to me feels like you choose what fits to your speculation and what doesn't is simply cast aside.
Not sure that I agree with that theory 100% at the moment. Honestly I feel like people should just clear their minds for the DLC and just enjoy it before trying to analyse everything.
Ok, I'm sorry but, where you find the gold and silver coins are NOT where you have said they are. The gold and silver coins {the 5 silver and 3 gold coins} are both found in anor londo in mimic chests. Not by silver knights or in sens fortress.
That's OK! I'd like people to correct me on things more often. I'm just out of town at the moment, but I'll add it as an annotation in the video when I return.
@@xenoblade6209 Yeah I heard that one. Saw a pretty nice Vaati's video, though I didn't buy it straightly... :/ DS world is about the endless loop of the ages. Nonetheless, pretty cool theory
Sometimes...just sometimes, subjects aren't picked apart bc there's just not enough info. In that case, this happens. A grasping at straws to create "lore". There's a reason ENB, the OG GOAT (and probably most knowledgeable fellow of lore regarding DS1 for a plethora of reasons) didn't expand on what you see as "goofy".
An interesting opinion. However, I think it's naive to think (especially when it comes to Dark Souls) that "there's nothing there" just because there's less item descriptions to read about. For instance, we never even see Carim in the flesh, yet there's enough information in the games for form a perspective of sorts of what the kingdom may have been like. I don't think ENBs work on this topic is goofy as in "bad," I just think that there could have been a more thorough investigation. If you disagree with points presented in the video, present your own counter-points and I'll read them.
I'd like to thank the Kingdom of Balder for their exceptional sword.
Thank you, Balder. You made the game easier.
SwitcherooU that side sword tho... mmmmf. So good!
@@SunnyAznable baldur fuckin swag sword, what an Og
Also their shield. Highest stability regular shield in the game.
"Berenike" is the anglicized version of the ancient Greek name "Βερενίκη", which is a name given to women. This might mean that Berenike is actually not the name of the land they come from, but the queen they serve? There is a village of the same name somewhere in the mountains of Greece, every time I drive by and see the sign it reminds me of Dark Souls.
I don’t think so. Balder is a Norse god. Are those knights serving a Norse god? It’s just appropriated.
@@saxogatley1166 there is a kingdom in berserk called Balden and theres some seemingly solid speculation balders name is inspired by that
@@saxogatley1166 You mean Baldr? Don't say words like appropriate if you're trying to seem serious. You don't really get the context. "Appropriated" is actually just "inspired" with unnecessarily added negative connotation. Most cultures appreciate when other people enjoy or make reference to them instead of getting needlessly offended
"thou who are Undead art chosen."
Guess everyone wanted that Golden Ticket to Kingseeker Frampt's chocolate factory
4:30 -- Wow, I never noticed the connection between Leeroy's set, and that of the Drangleic Hollow Soldiers from Dark Souls 2.
I know right!
THE IMPLICATIONS
Perhaps the undead aslyum in dark souls 1 is a way of white prison made for undead.
Finally, Balder gets it's deserved recognition...
Sempre bom achar um BR por aqui...Ou um PT, não sei de onde é. Abraço!
@@murilloorlando PT, para saberes.
Que aleatorio
Can't get around the Leeroy Jenkins vibe... Paladin... in the dungeons...
Miyazaki admitted he was based off of the video
I was always curious about Balder, especially given its homophone namesake god.
Couple of things:
"jon hancock" pointed out that the silver and gold coins are both found in Anor Londo in mimic chests.
Also, there is the "Soul of a Proud Paladin" in DS3, but there isn't anything in the description to make me think that there is a connection to Paladin Leeroy. Still wanted to make the correction when I said Leeroy was the old mention of a Paladin in the series. Thank you to the commenter who pointed that out. I'll make actual annotations for these in the video when I get back after the weekend.
Also the music! I know I forgot to put it in the description. I'll update it when I'm at a computer, but for now the track listing is:
-"Dark Sun Gwyndolin Theme"
-"Deacons of the Deep Theme"
-"Light of the Seven" from GoT
-"Time" from Inception
Hey Mitch, there is a theory floating around that the boss found whipping itself in the DS3 DLC is Allfather Lloyd. What do you think?
I don't buy into it at the moment. That "thing" doesn't really look like what I would expect Lloyd to look like, honestly. He's said to have a halo above his head and wield a sword. That being said, it could still be him, which would be very interesting, so I'm looking forward to experiencing the DLC nonetheless. Hopefully there will be a lot of lore videos to be made from it!
I heard the theory somewhere on the internet but I think it was made by Vaati. He mentioned in his analysis of the DLC trailer that he believes the boss to be Lloyd. You should watch it.
he is the one that thinks the giant,horn-helmed, warriors in the dlc are part of the undead legion because wolves
If you look at the gold coin and imagine seeing a face looking to the right, it kinda matches up with the DLC boss. Long hair, long face, short, upturned nose, almost skeletal-looking. That is if he isn't looking to the left, which produces a different "face". Along with Hawkshaw's video, I'm all on board with the curse being made by the WoW until it became an actual epidemic. Lloyd becoming an exile and losing power and influence, except inside this magical painting, seems like a fitting punishment. That and possibly becoming undead himself and getting doused with Estus, which he made a counter for in the real world.
That gwyndolin fight was nerv wrecking to watch ^^
Loving ‘Light of the Seven’ playing quietly in the background
I love your videos, man. Some of the highest quality lore I've seen so far. I also respect you for being able to call out some of the bigger channels like ENB and Vaati. I have enjoyed their content as well, but you've got balls, sir.
Thanks for your support!
Ok after seeing this I am convinced that there is more than enough content for a DS4 if we ever get one...
This turned out amazing Mitch! I love working with you on these :D
Thanks for your help and support!
One of my favorite lore things is the interesting cultures of dark souls I just love to learn about them and do cosplays and stuff about them.
This video kind of cemented a seed that had been in my head for a long time. Namely, that you HAVE to die to go to Lordran. It’s not simply a rite. Every character who has come to Lordran has had to be undead to do it. I used to think certain things were weird and incompatible, like Gwyn having an uncle when he is one of the first 5 people to exist. But I think it makes a lot of sense when you consider that everything before the Age of Fire happened in some land of the living, where nearly every character in the game was living at some point.
The Age of Fire wasn’t the true beginning for humanity. During the Age of Ancients, people were off doing lots of cool stuff, just not in Lordran, because to get to Lordran you had to be dead and no one yet had figured out how to be dead yet still alive. Of course, this is pretty speculative, but it makes so many things so much more sensible, to me.
Copper coin depicts a Old Man McLoyf god of drink and medicine, I always thought he was the third New Londo Sealer. The others, of course Ingward, and Yuri I believe.
Balder and Berenike had similar goals, and while Balder was a nation, Berenike was just an order of knights. Since they had similar goals and often found in the same places, could it be that Berenike order is from Balder.
While there is no hints behind it a lot of people assume that Tarkus was leader of the Berenike Order, based off of similar equipment.
I do not believe anyone created the Undead Curse, nor can anyone create an Undead. It's a natural phenomenon that occurs when the flame fades the light souls die and the dark soul takes control. Leeroy was not "produced" or created, he unfortunately went Undead and trying to rid themselves of him the Way of White sent him on a suicide mission that only the undying could achieve.
Alfather Lloyd, I'm not sure if I want to shout out all my ideas on him if you were going to make a video specifically on him, but...
Allfather Lloyd runs the Way of White. His symbol is the white circlet. He apparently is Gwyns uncle.
First I believe that Allfather Lloyd is the one and only God of Dark Souls universe. Gwyn, Nito, and the Witch of Izalith were all self proclaimed gods, I just refer to them as Lords, but Lloyd is the true God.
He's not Gwyn's uncle, that's just gibberish that all kings say to get Divine Right to rule.
The Way of White praises Lloyd not Gwyn. Gwyneth is only the messenger of Lloyds will.
Lloyd is not of this world, he is the all-knowing, all-seeing, formless deity, that watches over the world from the heavens.
Now in DS3, Lloyd has been forgotten, the Way of White disbanded becoming the Way of Blue. Then the Angels descended from the heavens. Why? Maybe some dlc will tell.
You clearly dont know what angels are in DS3. And there is no evidence to back up your theory on Lloyd. And finally, you already fight one of the Sealers aiding Lautrec and loot another Sealer's corpse in Blighttown.
@@ibn_adham
No I don't so enlighten me.
My proof is parallels to real life history. Lloyd is set up exactly how God is portrayed in all religions.
Last one, your probably right, I don't know where I got that idea.
This, my friend, is possibly my favorite Video on your Channel. I Love the Balder Knights. I Love everything about them. Their Moveset or... theyre fun to Fight. Perfect in every way.
I’m new to your lore videos but i shall surely be returning to watch more :)
dude mimics are monsters. It ate the balder knights and thats why it has the coins
Balder and Berenike Knights can be found at these locations
i. Undead Church - Both Balder and Berenike, but Berenike only exist once
ii. Sen's Fortress - Both Balder and Berenike
iii. Painted World of Ariamis - Only Berenike
It seems to be that Berenike Knight have different mission because the last place we found them is in the Painted World before the Priscilla fog gate, and Black Iron Tarkus body found before the painting. It looks like they are specifically searching for that painting and get inside to meet with Priscilla
The last place we found Balder Knight is inside Sen's Fortress, in my opinion, their mission is to stop Berenike Knight for some reason.
But because of both becoming hollows, they both turn on us The Chosen Undead.
I'm so happy I wasn't the only one who felt like this lore was not really touched upon at all. I feel like there's many other topics and all of the souls games that haven't been touched upon at all, or just mentioned. Your videos are awesome keep up the good work! :)
Thanks! I'm glad that people are still interested!
Fantastic video Mitch, love the focus on some of the more obscure lore. Keep them coming!
The more obscure the better!
I often find that Dark Souls has a lot of unspoken lore and interesting tales, so congratulations on providing this information. It is very interesting stuff and your research has much depth to it. Thank you for the video~
Thanks for watching!
Can't wait for the lore videos on Ashes of Ariandel. Haven't played it yet but I think you are right about a lot of things in this video.
Great video man. I like that it adds nicely to Hawkshaw's one 'The Way of White', which theory made much sense to me and accepted it quite smoothly. I truly hope that one of these upcoming DLCs takes us to some of these human lands outside Lordran, where we could find more clues about Velka and the Furtive Pygmy. It's deliberated the fact that at this point we still don't know much about them. That you can make a Beatrice lore video and not a convincing one about Velka-Pygmy, being these two hugely important characters.
It'd be nice if you could risk a theory about them :)
10:15 coin face for Lloyd looks like the big skull in Ash lake
You've made a very good point about "spawn" of the undead and Way of White. Now the intro makes more sense for me, especially the moment, when the girl (probably member of the church) is dropping a little ember on dead body (probably she's making the dark sign inside this man and by that, creating an undead)
My thoughts about Balder: we know that knight king Rendall failed. Or did he? That's what Crestfallen Merchant says but he also says that Tarkus failed to reach Anor Londo and we know it's not true. When we kill Gwynevyre we're attacked by one balder knight and one berenike knight. They're the only ones in human form in whole game. There is a possibility that the unhollowed balder knight is actually knight king Rendal, as we've never found his body earlier, or fought his hollowed version (if he failed in Sens Fortress, we could've met him just like prince Riccard). On the other hand that knight drops nothing related to the king, but still, legends about him are too glorious for somebody to be unable to defeat iron golem.
Lastly, some words about Berenike: Tarkus is the most interesting character of that land, especially his place of death near the painting. My theory is that he dragged attention of guardians and by that let other Berenike knight(s) safely enter the Painted World of Ariamis. We fight one respawning knight just before Priscilla and she says "this land is peaceful, its inhabitants kind" which suggests Berenike knight is ok living in that world.
I also believe gold and silver coins belonged to Berenike and Balder knights who have joined darkmoon blades as it was their last act of leaving connection with human world.
Great video,these little pieces of lore add a lot of hints on what started this mess that is the Dark Souls's reality.
Any theories on how the Way of White(and above all Allfather Lloyd) could create the Curse,if that's the case?
Have a look at Hawkshaws vid in the description if you're interested in the Way of White. He goes into some really great detail.
Sooo good bro! Nailed it!
Thanks dude! Glad you enjoyed.
The description on the ring says it was the head bishop who was uncle to Gwyn, not Lloyd himself
This was an awesome video! Just recently found you and you put out great stuff! And if you're looking for some more info on Balder and the Berenike knights you should check out Plague of Gripes DS1 playthrough, he gets really into them and their etymology when he hits Sen's fortress
I'll be sure to check it out!
I love in depth speculation and theories about oscure parts of souls.
such a nice break from polotics....... dammit ashenhollow....
I just started playing DS again too. Still as cool as I remember it.
Nice Video!
…or the mimic ate the Balder knights, thereby the coins they carried ended up within it?
"Excuse me Hades, do you think you could speak up a bit?" -JonTron
Hey man! I don't know how I forgot about this channel, I watched the Giants video when it came out. I don't know why I haven't subscribed yet, well, I guess I got some binge-watching to do!
Good to have you back! I hope you enjoy the newer content.
finally! new video!
Would really like to see a video on Gwynn’s children and you’re thoughts on each of there respective theory’s and story’s.
I know I'm super late, but i was thinking about the description of the steel protection ring. It states that by legend, knight king Randall slashed drake in pieces, and if we take it as truth, the only dragon cut in pieces is the undead dragon in painted world. So maybe, Randal, pretty much alone, made it to anor londo, even to the painting. MAYBE he's the berenike knight you find there. There isn't pretty much any information about kingdom of Berenike, and balder and berenike knights had very much same goals and were fighting together, as you can see from the duo in dark anor londo
I'm pretty sure some items talk about people believing that linking the fire allegedly cures hollowing (it obviously doesn't) and could be a reason that the balder knights wanted to fulfill the prophecy.
want to see lore on areas and connectivity with previous souls games
I want some lore on how the games dark souls 1-3 and how they eras have changed, how known heros fade into legends and possibly where past areas may be now or how they have changed in the world.
this guy Lloyd got more merchandise than Krusty the clown
Couldn't it be reasoned the Berenike were trying to find a cure, or at the least some bloody answers? Knowing only that the undead curse is associated with the gods of Anor Londo. It must have been a tough time for the Baldur Knights as well thinking about it, knowing the source of the curse and I guess their intent must have been the usurpation of the flame plus the bonus of the strength of the lord soul pieces they could gather.
Is there any correlation between Lotheric and where Baldur was supposed to be?
I think the undead curse goes back to the seed of evil back in Demons Souls, who was likely the cursed offspring of both the Great Tree and the vice of man.
I always wondered what the difference between an undead and demon.
Whether its possession from fell souls or rampart madness... Perhaps a combonition of both. its interesting enough to speculate about.
no discussion about tarkus? he was probably an elite knight of berenike, and his corpse may lend some insight into what these guys wanted from anor londo
yay! new vid!
id love to see a video on Priscilla.. cuz fluffy tail is best
Another great video, it seems like Lloyd may be in the DLC. What is the music in the background?
I've listed the music in a comment at the top, can't edit video description on mobile.
and thanks!
It was the Light of the 7 from GoT I was talking about. It was really familiar to me burr I couldn't remember where.
Very interesting theory.
mindblown!
"soul of a proud paladin" are items you pick up in ng+ in ds3 so there's probably more than one paladin
I've added a correction for this, thanks for pointing it out.
does anybody know the background music playing at 10:30 ?
the Berenike knight who is a member of the Darkmoon covenant isn't the only one to make it to Anor Londo Black Iron Tarkus also technically made it to Anor Londo he just fell off the rafters and died.
In hindsight the way of white undead thing, wasn't far off
I'm surprised that it's like no Japanese people ever really told to other people what their understanding of the same item descriptions are in their own langage in YT comment sections... Or even other places, I guess...
I don't think its that crazy If these kingdoms actually originated in Boletaria. Even Paladin Leeroy seems to be venerating Garl Vinland. The shield designs of Berenike, Tarkus, and Baldur could fit in the Boletarian coat of arms now to mention it. Check it out its not that insane to piece it all together.
What if rendals first name is King and his title is just knight
This nigga really choked his fight with gwyndolin 😂😂💀💀
"His insides were lined with metal" I am the only one who thinks it's suspicious that this gargantuan legendary warrior said to have endurance unlike any other supposedly is felled in sens fortress and now there is an Iron Golem???
In regards to the Way of White creating the curse, I would cordially disagree. I would think the religion formed, or reformed, around the undead curse. As for "spawning" and "producing" undead, I consider it more as they would force people to BECOME undead as a way of controlling the populace/ help ensure the fire is linked. They did not necessarily create the curse. After all, the curse appears two more times with the absence of the way of white.
As for my opinion of how the curse arouse because it is the natural state of humans/gods/etc. Now, my evidence should be taken with a grain of salt since it might be symbolic more than literal. The opening movie for Dark Souls shows hollows and the furtive pygmy as the originators of humans at the about to start age of fire. It's likely humans gained their more human appearance because of the age of fire and the linking of the flames is needed to make them mortal and not undead.
I believe the undead are attached to bonfires/ fires because of Gwyn's linking of the fire (maybe?) and caused him to turn hollow. Or perhaps it is because of undead's mix of soul, humanity, and curse that allows them to (not sure).
Ok this is so interesting. I didnt play the first dark souls because it felt so clunky but when you gameplay photage looks so fluid. Do you have mods or something or you pc is better than mine? Note that dark souls 2 feels so much better
I have the 60 fps unlocked and that's it. I actually feel the complete opposite; I kinda loathe how DS2 feels to play. I guess it depends what you're used to.
Mitch L Now that you enlightened me i shall try to play the game like that
what if knight king rendel is the first born after his god status was taken. it would explain why he wants to get to anorlondo and why there are balder knights in sens fortress. intrestingly, the serpent men also connect to the nameless king. im not saying the idea is completely flawless,but there is some thematical symmetry.
Am I the only one think of Fume Knight Straight sword when they look at the Sword of Judgement ?
side note: ricard has the elite knight set in ds1 but in ds3 he is summoned naked, and anri has a stolen armor set. do you think anri took it off him? or hte elite knight against the fountain at the very beginning of the game.. or perhaps, that was ricard
I'd have to look into it, not sure how rare the Elite Knight set is, but it's probably worth investigating. Thanks for your comment!
ive been saying for months now that i believe Lloyd will be a boss in one of the DLCs
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ahhh, many things should be included in the DLC, but I'm afraid we're gonna end up with extra mystery.
Well, you were wrong. It would have been nice to involve Lloyd or Velka. Getting the nameless king was great though.
Wait!!! In 15:00 -iis, the Balder knight and the other one (I forgot its name) are found in the orenstein and smough area, AFTER gwyndolin stops his illusion, which means orenstein and smough were illusions!
I have no doubts about it, can anyone back up my theory?
The fact you fight "Ornstein" again in 2 (and his weapon is in 3, right?) may mean he's an illusion... if he was up with the NK training then the one in Anor Londo may be fake, if it makes you feel better :3
How the hell can Gwyn have an uncle, Gwyn is literally the Father of the Gods, if he had an uncle then he'd have to have a father, he was the first of his race and nothing but a hollow before finding the Light Soul in the First Flame
I think it's odd as well, but does it actually say anywhere that Gwyn was the first "man" ever?
I think it can be pretty fairly surmised using the evidence we have available. I like to think of the hollows we see in the first cinematic as being ancient humans reduced to creatures that are neither living nor dead by the Age of Ancients rolling around, and the kinda "Ash seeketh Embers" thing where the hollows were attracted to the first flame but most were burnt to ash except the 4 we know as the bearers of the soul and then they spilt there souls to make there respective races then marched on the Dragons, which means Gwyn is the very first of the "God" race
Uncle doesn't have to be literal, maybe Lloyd was just old in appearance and was close to/advised Gwyn.
Given that the Painter Girl refers to Gael as Uncle Gael, yet he is almost certainly not of biological relation to her, I take it that the relationship between Lloyd and Gwyn was of a similar nature, not one of blood relation but one of affection and admiration.
So it’s not just me? Granted, I’m only as far as ds1, but short of later games saying “Yeah, actually, all that stuff wasn’t true, the REAL story is completely different.” which I certainly wouldn’t put past them, I really, really can’t imagine how that could possibly make any sense whatsoever...
You ever thought about doing a LoreThrough? A lore lecture/ Playthrough?
I wouldn't rule it out completely! Maybe after the DLC is released and the series can be examined in its entirety.
Regarding Paladin Leeroy, Hakshaw (?) and you kind of called it :)
the Iron Golem protecting the doorway that's been broken the Gargoyles only take the chosen Undead it must have been another way
It can be reset and I think it's defeat is what triggers the bat demons to come down in the first place, so it's not unreasonable to say that you become the chosen undead when you beat the thing etc, etc. The Gods are looking to kindle the flame after all.
one hundred years ,they should have been rock climbing
I can’t remember what lead me to believe this. But I’m rather positive that the berenike knights are not from a place called berenike but are instead knights serving under a special knight named berenike. They are knights in berenikes likeness therefore berenike knights. I believe knight berenike is from balder himself
The silver coins are found in Anor Londo, in a mimic, not Sens Fortress. Lightning on a stick is found in Sens Fortress. Lol
What if the Profaned Flame is the warped remnant of the Way of White?
Game Of Thrones soundtrack!!! :D
Lol this is TOTALLY speculation. But what if knight King rendal became the iron golem. We know that its core had a dragon knuckle. What if it was the dragon which this powerful man cut down. And they fused his soul to it. It'd make more sense why the STRONGEST summon wants to help you with a pretty easy fight :)
I'd be lying if that thought hadn't crossed my mind. It'd be an awesome twist on things
if being hollow is the original state of man, then how would one go about 'crafting' or creating an undead?
Holy Shit that is weed level ascendency of thought
TARKUS TARKUS TARKUS!!!!!!!!!!
dlc lore hype. ending the curse dlc. what could it mean!?!?
Inb4 DkS2 premonitions
Honestly I wish we got more reference to Balder and Berenike in 3. Lore-wise both sequels of Dark Souls 1 are kind of a mess. Dark Souls 2 gives little to no actual lore or answer and simply piles on more questions, and throws stuff willy-nilly (its nature as a delayed and half-finished sequel being part of the problem), and 3 felt more like the spiritual 2 that just happens to have references to the actual DS2, rather than a proper followup.
What did you say?
DId mimics used to be people then?
Your vids cover so much more depth and breadth of a given souls topic compared to Vaati m8. This vid is extremely appreciated. Not naysay Vaati, but in comparison to how comprehensive your vids are, his vids feel like sparknotes.
Balder - filthy dex "builders"
Berenike - STRONK meta gamers
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I was using both rings in ds3 when i kept asking myself "who the f is he!?" Thank you for the insight, mitch L.
- git gud
the entire vid is purely speculative. based on a description that can be read in a total different way( balder set). no connection between thorolund and balder has been made. also we dont know if rendall was undead (onion bro daughter).
Lore videos are always speculative and never claim to be the objective truth. Your point?
The point is that when u start your vid by saying that it is a subject that hasn't been explored enough and that enb's vid was silly suggests or implies that you have a fuller aspect of the subject. Yet you don't. And maybe that was the reason why there are very few mentions on that subject. There is simply not enough info on Balder or Vinheim or Carim or..... a lot of parts of the game. That is the point.
You'd be amazed at what kind of information can be extracted by putting pieces together regarding obscure parts of the story. I made a video on Carim that was over half an hour long which had a very rigorous investigation process to put every single piece of evidence together to form a semi-complete look at the unseen kingdom, but I suppose that's all "baseless speculation" as well, right? if you know about the design philosophy that Miyazaki has, then you'd know that the story structure doesn't just allow speculation, it encourages it.
Look i don't want to be disrespectful or demeaning. This vid is also ~20 min. I know about Miyazaki and his design philosophy.Which could also be interpreted as he is doing half the job and the rest of us just complete it.The thing about Balder is that it is barely mentioned in the entire trilogy. And using a coin to connect it to thorolund is a leap i wouldn't never make (and not for a lack of imagination). Also if you look at the balder sword desc. the word spawn is replaced by the word outbreak (go figure, but it follows the rules of the curse). That goes against the 'spawned' part of your theory. Which to me feels like you choose what fits to your speculation and what doesn't is simply cast aside.
Do you agree with Vaati that the big creature boss from the DS3 DLC is Lloyd? Pretty sure that's what he said anyway
Not sure that I agree with that theory 100% at the moment. Honestly I feel like people should just clear their minds for the DLC and just enjoy it before trying to analyse everything.
Mitch L Yeah i'm not really sure where the idea came from but october 25th can't come soon enough :D
The boss is referred to as a father.
There was a translation thing or something that meant Allfather.
by the way of white lol
TARKUUUUUUUS
just me, or is the audio really low on this video 😒
sorry! I was recording late at night and I couldn't be super loud. Won't happen again.
Ok, I'm sorry but, where you find the gold and silver coins are NOT where you have said they are. The gold and silver coins {the 5 silver and 3 gold coins} are both found in anor londo in mimic chests. Not by silver knights or in sens fortress.
I will make a correction for this.
Thank you. I didn't notice how rude my comment was. I'm sorry for the way I had phrased it.
That's OK! I'd like people to correct me on things more often. I'm just out of town at the moment, but I'll add it as an annotation in the video when I return.
Can someone tell me if demon souls is an official part of dark souls?
There are some theories... Especially considering Patches is on both but I never heard a good enough one...
@@tuduman9917 I think demon souls might be before the age of fire
@@xenoblade6209 Yeah I heard that one. Saw a pretty nice Vaati's video, though I didn't buy it straightly... :/
DS world is about the endless loop of the ages.
Nonetheless, pretty cool theory
Let's put it this way. If the Way of White were around today, they'd be endorsing Donald Trump for president! xD
Loved the video dude!!!
That seems like an unnecessary politicization of a piece of lore.
Oh, does it? DOES IT? I bet you're not even a real prophet.
I foresee much kek in your future.
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Thanks mate! I appreciate the support.
Sometimes...just sometimes, subjects aren't picked apart bc there's just not enough info. In that case, this happens. A grasping at straws to create "lore". There's a reason ENB, the OG GOAT (and probably most knowledgeable fellow of lore regarding DS1 for a plethora of reasons) didn't expand on what you see as "goofy".
An interesting opinion. However, I think it's naive to think (especially when it comes to Dark Souls) that "there's nothing there" just because there's less item descriptions to read about. For instance, we never even see Carim in the flesh, yet there's enough information in the games for form a perspective of sorts of what the kingdom may have been like. I don't think ENBs work on this topic is goofy as in "bad," I just think that there could have been a more thorough investigation. If you disagree with points presented in the video, present your own counter-points and I'll read them.
Not first ;c
I think Gael is alffather Lloyd