Today i continued my education to become a Enviromental Operating technician (Water & Sewage) Today we started our course in Automation. Im a Swede with a pretty good grasp of the english language. I can tell you, these videos from a total beginners perspective, and not having english as a main/native language these videos were both easy to understand and grasp/follow. Great videos !
Good video. I'm an ME so I don't have to work directly on PID loops, but work in automation so I'm around them often. Back in college when we programmed them in our circuits class they had us manually use a fan to cool a resistor to a specific temperature, and then a PID loop. The precision was night and day.
my college did a similar thing, but it was controlling an inverted pendulum and trying to keep it straight up while inverted. If tuned properly and the error is not large enough saturate the control gain, it can keep an object at naturally unstable equilibrium really well. Although if you have a naturally stable system, then it's even better in case there was a failure in the pid system, at least there is some backup.
I'm an ME too. Do you enjoy automation? I really enjoy learning about electronics, programming, logic, and efficiency. I can spend hours reading and thinking about it. Maybe I should of done software or electrical haha
Very good refreshing - I took 6 courses in Control Systems in the University long years ago and I loved this subject a lot, I was A student in this subject doing it with Analog circuits but today I do it with microcontollers along with Analog + DigiPots and Digital Variable Capacitor along with keyboard and switches. This is amazing.
Thanks for the video. It really helps a lot. PID Controllers are such an important concept that can be very difficult to grasp at first. I'm going to recommend this video to some students at my alma mater. I think it will really help them understand what the Control Systems professors are talking about.
Thanks in a million. Great content. Awesome. Very well explained. I couldn't find this explanation--simply put anywhere else. Great teachers are hard to find. Grade: A++💥
Howdy. I like how RealPars focus on the essential in these tutorials. Digital controllers are usually described as summing of the P, I and D blocks. As in the clip. There are still lots of analog controllers in use. They are usually bulit using operational amplifiers. The description usually is the P, I and D in cascode or series. The math is different for summing and cascode. However. The derivative parameter Td usually is at most 1/10 of the integral parameter Ti. Usually Td is even way smaller than 1/10 of Ti. The math for both summing and cascode will be the same closely enough. Regards.
Hi @101NU70. Thanks for your comment. We included those curves just to illustrate how different PID settings might affect the process variable. As we try to illustrate later in the video, desired PID response differs greatly from one process to another. A PID controller response for one process may be disastrous for another process.
Excellent video, I almost understood haha. This topic is very difficult aaaaaah maybe i'm just a poor high school student with no enough context of what's going on, but I liked the explanation very much.
@@realpars hola que tal, saludos desde Argentina, los cursos que hay en la página, ¿Son todos en idioma ingles? Hago la pregunta porque yo no se el idioma ingles hablo solamente el idioma español.
Hello, @luck3949. Thank you for your question. The feedback is always working, adjusting to the set point. The control window adjusts as needed. Remember it is trying to reach the setpoint when you set it will. An automobile cruise controller does just that. Therefore, that is one example. You are looking to achieve a stable, slow process. And only one variable at a time. There is no set formula for advanced tuning of a PID controller and no step-by-step process that will work in every scenario, but with an understanding of how a PID controller works and enough practice, it is definitely possible. You can practice by downloading the great PID Simulator app from the Microsoft Store! Here is the link for your learning: pidexplained.com/how-to-tune-a-pid-controller/
probably incorporate other data points...tmk PID often is only self-referential, but smarter controllers can take in more data, and basically use non-linear control algorithms
If you see like, Shinko or Omega temperature controller there implementations are perfect. I also have developed PID controller but not like Shinko performance they use first auto tune which oscillate 2 cycles to find P,I,D,ARW(anti reset windup),and then control. They used Fuzzy PID I check many times, with graph and different setup. In this you get Error and rate of error as input with that Kp,Ki,Kd calculate with fuzzy interference and find control output to operate the heater. But in shinko device graph of the control always same minimum rise time and almost no overshoot . But in my case graph is not always the same. My question how to correct this algorithm? for this we donot need powerful MCU, 8-bit MCU is enough it is all about algorithm.
Hi @john. Several manual tuning methods begin by observing the process variable dynamic response to a setpoint step response. This response is then used to determine PI and D settings if required. As mentioned in the video, manual or auto-tuning will result in preliminary PID values but more often than not, further tweaking is required.
@@realpars yes, thank you. My question wasn't clear. Is there an analytical way to determine the exact feedback parameters if the transfer function of the "plant" is known?
@@jazzjohn2 Hi @john. I've not done such an exercise personally but I have read that software such as Simulink and Mathlab is capable of assisting. Sorry I can't be of more help.
@@jazzjohn2 Student of Electrical Energy Systems Engineering here. Yes, there are methods for analytically calculating controller gains based on the desired response and transfer function of the plant, for example full state feedback etc. You can learn more about this in classes about control systems and even here on RUclips. Unfortunately, I am a bit rusty with the exact methods but at least I can tell you that such methods exist.
Hi there, Thanks for reaching out. That's a tough question to answer. Can you provide more details please? Do you have power near the valve? Can it be electric? Will it be pneumatic? Is the water clean? What flow rate are you considering? Thanks!
@@realpars gud day sir, ty for the time for giving a reply, i'm a student working on a thesis, im planning to apply PID control on adjusting water flow for aquaponics, inorder to do that i've done some checking on which component i'm going use and a "Motorized Valve" has a good potential in it, the project prototype is a small scale so im going to use a modified version of it "A Servo Motor + Ball Valve (for water)"
Nice video, but I think it's a mistake to introduce the PID parameters without mentioning that there are different types of PID controllers. The model presented here is parallell PID, where each parameter is applied to the error separately. In the industry, another very common type instead defines a parameter called gain which is then applied to the proportional, integral and derivative parameters. The I and D parts of the PID are then usually called Integral Time and Derivative Time. If one applies the same values to these different models of PID or tries to tune it the same way as is presented here it could lead to a lot of problems.
Hi @isakoqv. Thanks for your feedback and comments. It’s difficult to encapsulate PID details in a short RUclips video. Your comments about Gain, Integral Time, and Derivative Time are true and those terms are important. We hope to discuss those terms and more such as Reset Windup, MPR and RPM in later videos. Discussing and observing P, I, and D response to error is an interesting challenge because obviously in a dynamic environment, the error is always changing because of the controller response. As for tuning, there are lots of so-called tuning methods and as you say, not all are appropriate or advised as blanket methods for every application.
@@realpars It was years ago when I learned Ziegler-Nichols method and Cohen-Coon for tuning a PID controller. Now, I forget all of them. I turned to become a programmer not related to Control System/Engineering. Only occasionally I want to relearn this interesting field.
Hello @Lovro Sipovac. Thanks for your input. In fact, when maintaining the process at an exact setpoint value is not critical, P-only controllers will do just fine. And, as you say PI controllers are is sufficient in most cases. Adding D to some loops can cause no end of troubles.
@@realpars I benefited from adding a D in a very few cases when I wanted to "choke" the abrupt change, but yes, it's mostly a headache :) But adding a feed forward value is a fantastic measure if an approximate value is known. A good example would be tension control when spooling out VFD controlled winch (motors actually) when you have a good estimate of required holding torque and uncertanties are represented by inertia/friction in the complete driveline. For instance, you want to hold 10T on the winch while it spools out .... you calculate that in order to do so you need to hold 20% torque on motor(s) in ideal system (no friction etc.) ... then you just feed forward that value, or whatever you calculate for particular tension, tweak it so it works well on variable setpoint and voila! :)
A good shout Eric. I managed to scrape through Control Systems online but found the formulae tough going. A good explain with practical examples would have helped a lot.
@@YewrMan We had a teacher who really did not get it, to simplify this subject. Quite the opposite. Later we had a teacher who knew the formulas and told us. They are plain math. No fancy stuff, not even the integral part which is just the sum of something.
@@mortenlund1418 Morten, is there any RUclips channels or elsewhere you can recommend that shows good practical explains of the mathematics of Control Systems. I think online study can be hit or miss depending on the lecturer. Some are brilliant and patient in explaining stuff and check that you understand and you learn the topic not just how to answer questions. But others just want to get through their online lecture quickly and at the end of the semester give you loads of hints to get you to pass the exam even though you barely understand the topics on it.
Thank you for sharing your feedback, Eric! I will certainly go ahead and pass this on to our course developers for future video courses. Thanks again, and happy learning!
5:00 As long as an error exists the integral action will continue”. That is not correctly stated. What he said is applicable to proportional control as well. So what is it that differentiates proportional control from integral control ? The correct statement is “As long as an error exists the integral output will continue TO INCREASE (over time).” With proportional control if the error hold steady, so does the controller output . But with integral control even if the error holds steady, the controller output will continue to increase.
Hello @MyMusic. Thanks for reaching out. The problem with Proportional-Only control is that once the error become stable, there is no proportional action therefore no corrective action. This results in something called Offset. Adding Integral action will attempt to remove the offset. You are correct when you stated “As long as an error exists the integral output will continue TO INCREASE (over time). As this video was at an introductory level, we did not go into a great amount of detail. If you are interested, you can check out our free series on PID Control at: learn.realpars.com/courses/PID-Controller One of the videos in this free series is available on RUclips at: ruclips.net/video/E780BPOjKwM/видео.html Thanks again for your comments and feedback! It’s always great to hear from our viewers!
Can you do a video on " how Exactly does data transfer happen in physical level in wires or fiber optic cable."So that even non tech savvy person can understand. How exactly is 1 bit transferred between two points like New York and London ,like by switching the Voltage for s bit the whole distance? Switching it for each bits? Smart ways? How? For 1 packet ? Update: sure get highly technical but start from simpler level and get into the depth slowly. And the reason I'm asking it here because I believe no other can explain it better than you.❤️
Sort of an impossible question to answer without getting technical. There are lots of different protocols using different ways to encode signals on the "physical level". Electrical signals have properties like amplitude, frequency and phase. You can use any combination of these to encode signals. The protocol determines the meaning of a given change to a given property.
Thanks for your feedback and suggestion! I will certainly share this with our course developers, hopefully we can focus on that in a future video courses. Thanks again for sharing and happy learning!
If the output is a relay and the final element is a pump than the pump will be on and off multiple times and the inrush current will damage the electric motor in time.
I'm trying to control the temperature as a process variable, and the control element is heater. I'm using relay to control heater. Will I able to implement PID system in the current settings ? This project is being developed using Arduino. My current system is running using On/ Off control which is not accurate. Please help !
Hi there. Thanks for reaching out. ON/OFF control of any heating loop will not produce anything acceptable. (Accept in our homes apparently). As for Arduino PID, there are oodles of very helpful online sources. If you do a search for "Arduino POD", I think you'll be pleased with the available help.
I don't understand one part of the process. How does the PID output control the working element. The output from PID is basically a sum of three different error perspectives. The larger the error, the longer it exists and the more it fluctuates, the bigger the output from PID is. But how does it affect the working element. Let's say we have a valve that controls water flow. How do we convert the PID output (a value) to the signal that controls the valve?
Hi @singleaspringle. Thanks for your question. Please excuse me if I have misunderstood your question ...... but here goes my answer. The controller output is a variable 4 to 20 mA signal which corresponds to 0 to 100% of the controller output range. The control valve is a pneumatic device operated over its entire 0 to 100% stroke by an air signal of 3 to 15 psi. The instrument that converts current to pneumatics is called an I/P converter. In a nutshell, when the controller output is at 4ma, the valve gets 3 psi and the valve is either fully closed or fully open. (Depending upon the system design). So, we can stroke the valve from 0% to 100% by changing the current output of the controller. I hope that helps?
@@realpars so the way to control the device with PID output is dependant on the specific system we are implementing PID to? For different devices the converting needs to be done differently?
@@singleaspringle6941 We're not actually "controlling" a device. We "operate" a device that acts on the process. We are controlling a process. We manipulate the process with some type of final actuator that is operated by the controller.
The graph PV vs. time at 4:36 is completely wrong. With proportional term only, the PV steady value can not be larger than PV. Read again the classical textbooks or run more carefully the simulators!
Hello Mihai Dinca. You have a fine eye for detail. We're assuming you are referring to SP and PV. We thank you for pointing out this graphical faux pas. On rare occasions, graphics that are in an original storyboard don't get translated as they should. We look forward to hearing from you again in the future.
The proportional control is wrong, You can't have an output bigger than the set point only with a proportional. When the Kp tends to infinity the stationary error tends to zero, but It is only theory, in practice when the Kp is very big, the output oscilate.
Hello @Gustavo Aquino. Thanks for reaching out........ About your fist point, check out our reply to Mihai Dinca 2 months ago where we explained that on rare occasions, graphics that are in an original storyboard don't get translated as they should. As per your second point, we agree totally. Increasing the Gain will certainly get you closer to the septpoint, but if you set it too high, the output will oscillate.
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Today i continued my education to become a Enviromental Operating technician (Water & Sewage)
Today we started our course in Automation.
Im a Swede with a pretty good grasp of the english language.
I can tell you, these videos from a total beginners perspective, and not having english as a main/native language these videos were both easy to understand and grasp/follow.
Great videos !
That's amazing to hear! Thank you very much for sharing.
@@realpars likewise ! Thank you
By Far the Best Explanation for PID's I have ever had the pleasure to Learn. This is a game changer for my foundation.
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I love it when my furnace kicks in at 65º and then heats the house to 75º, that 10º fluctuation is so glorious.
Bro has a Johnson Controls a19 on his wall.
75° is hot enough to cook chicken
Good video. I'm an ME so I don't have to work directly on PID loops, but work in automation so I'm around them often. Back in college when we programmed them in our circuits class they had us manually use a fan to cool a resistor to a specific temperature, and then a PID loop. The precision was night and day.
Hi @MeltingRubberZ28. Sounds like your fan/resistor activity was interesting. Was the temperature controlled by modulating the fan speed?
@@realpars yes
my college did a similar thing, but it was controlling an inverted pendulum and trying to keep it straight up while inverted. If tuned properly and the error is not large enough saturate the control gain, it can keep an object at naturally unstable equilibrium really well. Although if you have a naturally stable system, then it's even better in case there was a failure in the pid system, at least there is some backup.
I'm an ME too. Do you enjoy automation? I really enjoy learning about electronics, programming, logic, and efficiency. I can spend hours reading and thinking about it. Maybe I should of done software or electrical haha
@@JB-ri6zp yeah. Job is rewarding and the pay is good.
Very good refreshing - I took 6 courses in Control Systems in the University long years ago and I loved this subject a lot, I was A student in this subject doing it with Analog circuits but today I do it with microcontollers along with Analog + DigiPots and Digital Variable Capacitor along with keyboard and switches. This is amazing.
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Thanks for the video. It really helps a lot. PID Controllers are such an important concept that can be very difficult to grasp at first. I'm going to recommend this video to some students at my alma mater. I think it will really help them understand what the Control Systems professors are talking about.
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Thanks in a million. Great content. Awesome. Very well explained. I couldn't find this explanation--simply put anywhere else. Great teachers are hard to find. Grade: A++💥
Glad it was helpful! Thanks a lot for your positive feedback, John!
Thank you very much! By far its the best explanation I have heard for PID controllers...
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Very good explination. Concise and easy to understand. Thank you very much.
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Cool of you to go here. Thanks for the effort. Great video,
Thank you, Morten!
What an educative and iteresting channel. Congrats again.
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not to sound dramatic but this is the best video I have ever watched
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@@realpars good animations
Very detailed video. Our Wecon PLC support PID tuning.
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Howdy.
I like how RealPars focus on the essential in these tutorials.
Digital controllers are usually described as summing of the P, I and D blocks. As in the clip.
There are still lots of analog controllers in use. They are usually bulit using operational amplifiers. The description usually is the P, I and D in cascode or series.
The math is different for summing and cascode. However. The derivative parameter Td usually is at most 1/10 of the integral parameter Ti. Usually Td is even way smaller than 1/10 of Ti. The math for both summing and cascode will be the same closely enough.
Regards.
Great amazing content. It really facilitates understanding of the topic. Thank you thank you thank you.
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Automotive guy here; when viewing ECU "live data" with a scan tool the term PID is used... I think I understand why now. Cool video!
Thank you, Alan!
Hi @Alan Townsend. Just out of curiosity, what piece of equipment is the ECU out of?
Networked control units in light duty automotive; engine / powertrain, body, stability control, etc.
Thanks sir you making my day Today actually I daily face PID setting...
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very informative and conceptual video.
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I think, that violet curve in graph at time 0:39 is wrong. It have bring near SP line, not go over line. Or not?
Hi @101NU70. Thanks for your comment. We included those curves just to illustrate how different PID settings might affect the process variable. As we try to illustrate later in the video, desired PID response differs greatly from one process to another. A PID controller response for one process may be disastrous for another process.
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Excellent video, I almost understood haha. This topic is very difficult aaaaaah maybe i'm just a poor high school student with no enough context of what's going on, but I liked the explanation very much.
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@@realpars hola que tal, saludos desde Argentina, los cursos que hay en la página, ¿Son todos en idioma ingles? Hago la pregunta porque yo no se el idioma ingles hablo solamente el idioma español.
Does integral block integrate the error in sliding window or from the beginning of time?
Hello, @luck3949. Thank you for your question. The feedback is always working, adjusting to the set point. The control window adjusts as needed. Remember it is trying to reach the setpoint when you set it will. An automobile cruise controller does just that. Therefore, that is one example. You are looking to achieve a stable, slow process. And only one variable at a time. There is no set formula for advanced tuning of a PID controller and no step-by-step process that will work in every scenario, but with an understanding of how a PID controller works and enough practice, it is definitely possible. You can practice by downloading the great PID Simulator app from the Microsoft Store!
Here is the link for your learning: pidexplained.com/how-to-tune-a-pid-controller/
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Thanks a lot. Very clear and understandable
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Can anybody explain fuzzy PId which used in commercial temperature controller to avoid overshoot and reduce rise tine
probably incorporate other data points...tmk PID often is only self-referential, but smarter controllers can take in more data, and basically use non-linear control algorithms
If you see like, Shinko or Omega temperature controller there implementations are perfect. I also have developed PID controller but not like Shinko performance they use first auto tune which oscillate 2 cycles to find P,I,D,ARW(anti reset windup),and then control. They used Fuzzy PID I check many times, with graph and different setup. In this you get Error and rate of error as input with that Kp,Ki,Kd calculate with fuzzy interference and find control output to operate the heater. But in shinko device graph of the control always same minimum rise time and almost no overshoot . But in my case graph is not always the same. My question how to correct this algorithm? for this we donot need powerful MCU, 8-bit MCU is enough it is all about algorithm.
If the step response of a system is known, can correct values of PID be calculated to achieve a desired response, or is tuning always required?
Hi @john. Several manual tuning methods begin by observing the process variable dynamic response to a setpoint step response. This response is then used to determine PI and D settings if required. As mentioned in the video, manual or auto-tuning will result in preliminary PID values but more often than not, further tweaking is required.
@@realpars yes, thank you. My question wasn't clear. Is there an analytical way to determine the exact feedback parameters if the transfer function of the "plant" is known?
@@jazzjohn2 Hi @john. I've not done such an exercise personally but I have read that software such as Simulink and Mathlab is capable of assisting. Sorry I can't be of more help.
@@jazzjohn2 Student of Electrical Energy Systems Engineering here. Yes, there are methods for analytically calculating controller gains based on the desired response and transfer function of the plant, for example full state feedback etc. You can learn more about this in classes about control systems and even here on RUclips. Unfortunately, I am a bit rusty with the exact methods but at least I can tell you that such methods exist.
hi, ty for wonderful explaination about PID, can i ask for some pointers or suggestion on what type of water valves can i use for PID controll?
Hi there, Thanks for reaching out. That's a tough question to answer. Can you provide more details please? Do you have power near the valve? Can it be electric? Will it be pneumatic? Is the water clean? What flow rate are you considering? Thanks!
@@realpars gud day sir, ty for the time for giving a reply, i'm a student working on a thesis, im planning to apply PID control on adjusting water flow for aquaponics, inorder to do that i've done some checking on which component i'm going use and a "Motorized Valve" has a good potential in it, the project prototype is a small scale so im going to use a modified version of it "A Servo Motor + Ball Valve (for water)"
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Building service engineer may not need to know as deep as such.....but this video is good for beginner.
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Really good video
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Nice video, but I think it's a mistake to introduce the PID parameters without mentioning that there are different types of PID controllers. The model presented here is parallell PID, where each parameter is applied to the error separately. In the industry, another very common type instead defines a parameter called gain which is then applied to the proportional, integral and derivative parameters. The I and D parts of the PID are then usually called Integral Time and Derivative Time. If one applies the same values to these different models of PID or tries to tune it the same way as is presented here it could lead to a lot of problems.
Hi @isakoqv. Thanks for your feedback and comments. It’s difficult to encapsulate PID details in a short RUclips video. Your comments about Gain, Integral Time, and Derivative Time are true and those terms are important. We hope to discuss those terms and more such as Reset Windup, MPR and RPM in later videos. Discussing and observing P, I, and D response to error is an interesting challenge because obviously in a dynamic environment, the error is always changing because of the controller response. As for tuning, there are lots of so-called tuning methods and as you say, not all are appropriate or advised as blanket methods for every application.
@@realpars It was years ago when I learned Ziegler-Nichols method and Cohen-Coon for tuning a PID controller.
Now, I forget all of them. I turned to become a programmer not related to Control System/Engineering. Only occasionally I want to relearn this interesting field.
@@realpars sir, is it possible to make pid controller with equation of heating and cooling.
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@@jarnix2 Huh?
This Video answers alot of my questions, thanks but about your PLC material, I'm an Allen Bradley guy and would like to check your AB PLC course .
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You made my brain click the whole thing like after 5 minutes..
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I need to control dc motor speed using PID, any guidance?
I'm using an PI controller in most cases, sometimes even P is good enough. I also use FFWD in combination
Hello @Lovro Sipovac. Thanks for your input. In fact, when maintaining the process at an exact setpoint value is not critical, P-only controllers will do just fine. And, as you say PI controllers are is sufficient in most cases. Adding D to some loops can cause no end of troubles.
@@realpars I benefited from adding a D in a very few cases when I wanted to "choke" the abrupt change, but yes, it's mostly a headache :)
But adding a feed forward value is a fantastic measure if an approximate value is known. A good example would be tension control when spooling out VFD controlled winch (motors actually) when you have a good estimate of required holding torque and uncertanties are represented by inertia/friction in the complete driveline. For instance, you want to hold 10T on the winch while it spools out .... you calculate that in order to do so you need to hold 20% torque on motor(s) in ideal system (no friction etc.) ... then you just feed forward that value, or whatever you calculate for particular tension, tweak it so it works well on variable setpoint and voila! :)
I hope you guys into explaining the math or at the very lest the transfer function of the system in future videos.
A good shout Eric. I managed to scrape through Control Systems online but found the formulae tough going. A good explain with practical examples would have helped a lot.
@@YewrMan We had a teacher who really did not get it, to simplify this subject. Quite the opposite. Later we had a teacher who knew the formulas and told us. They are plain math. No fancy stuff, not even the integral part which is just the sum of something.
@@mortenlund1418 Morten, is there any RUclips channels or elsewhere you can recommend that shows good practical explains of the mathematics of Control Systems. I think online study can be hit or miss depending on the lecturer. Some are brilliant and patient in explaining stuff and check that you understand and you learn the topic not just how to answer questions. But others just want to get through their online lecture quickly and at the end of the semester give you loads of hints to get you to pass the exam even though you barely understand the topics on it.
It will need an introduction to Laplace transform for describing a PID controller to find the transfer function of the system.
Thank you for sharing your feedback, Eric! I will certainly go ahead and pass this on to our course developers for future video courses.
Thanks again, and happy learning!
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Well done
5:00 As long as an error exists the integral action will continue”. That is not correctly stated. What he said is applicable to proportional control as well. So what is it that differentiates proportional control from integral control ? The correct statement is “As long as an error exists the integral output will continue TO INCREASE (over time).” With proportional control if the error hold steady, so does the controller output . But with integral control even if the error holds steady, the controller output will continue to increase.
Hello @MyMusic. Thanks for reaching out. The problem with Proportional-Only control is that once the error become stable, there is no proportional action therefore no corrective action. This results in something called Offset. Adding Integral action will attempt to remove the offset. You are correct when you stated “As long as an error exists the integral output will continue TO INCREASE (over time). As this video was at an introductory level, we did not go into a great amount of detail.
If you are interested, you can check out our free series on PID Control at:
learn.realpars.com/courses/PID-Controller
One of the videos in this free series is available on RUclips at:
ruclips.net/video/E780BPOjKwM/видео.html
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Can you do a video on " how Exactly does data transfer happen in physical level in wires or fiber optic cable."So that even non tech savvy person can understand. How exactly is 1 bit transferred between two points like New York and London ,like by switching the Voltage for s bit the whole distance? Switching it for each bits? Smart ways? How? For 1 packet ?
Update: sure get highly technical but start from simpler level and get into the depth slowly. And the reason I'm asking it here because I believe no other can explain it better than you.❤️
Sort of an impossible question to answer without getting technical. There are lots of different protocols using different ways to encode signals on the "physical level". Electrical signals have properties like amplitude, frequency and phase. You can use any combination of these to encode signals. The protocol determines the meaning of a given change to a given property.
Thanks for your feedback and suggestion! I will certainly share this with our course developers, hopefully we can focus on that in a future video courses.
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If the output is a relay and the final element is a pump than the pump will be on and off multiple times and the inrush current will damage the electric motor in time.
@D I. You are bang on. Lare motors are not made to be cycled on and off repeatedly.
It's a good survey.
Nice!
Thank you!
I'm trying to control the temperature as a process variable, and the control element is heater. I'm using relay to control heater. Will I able to implement PID system in the current settings ? This project is being developed using Arduino. My current system is running using On/ Off control which is not accurate. Please help !
Hi there. Thanks for reaching out. ON/OFF control of any heating loop will not produce anything acceptable. (Accept in our homes apparently). As for Arduino PID, there are oodles of very helpful online sources. If you do a search for "Arduino POD", I think you'll be pleased with the available help.
Nice vídeo, will be great to show some others control techniques
Thanks for the suggestion! Will happily pass this on to our course developers.
Thanks for sharing and happy learning :)
Please make videos on MPC model predictive control.
Thanks for your topic suggestion, I will happily share it with our content developers.
Thanks again for sharing, and happy learning!
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how to wire and get feedback ? sir plz make video
Thank you for your suggestion, @mathsamitsir! We’ll definitely keep this in mind and consider creating a video. Your input is always appreciated!
This is a good explanation video.
May i know how to make video like this? I love the animations. i really want to learn how to make video like yours.
Thanks for your kind compliment! I am actually not sure about that, as this is all done by our graphic and animation department.
Which software is use for animation ??
Thanks for your comment! I am actually not sure about this, as this is done by our animation and graphic department.
omg so good
I don't understand one part of the process. How does the PID output control the working element. The output from PID is basically a sum of three different error perspectives. The larger the error, the longer it exists and the more it fluctuates, the bigger the output from PID is.
But how does it affect the working element. Let's say we have a valve that controls water flow. How do we convert the PID output (a value) to the signal that controls the valve?
Hi @singleaspringle. Thanks for your question. Please excuse me if I have misunderstood your question ...... but here goes my answer. The controller output is a variable 4 to 20 mA signal which corresponds to 0 to 100% of the controller output range. The control valve is a pneumatic device operated over its entire 0 to 100% stroke by an air signal of 3 to 15 psi. The instrument that converts current to pneumatics is called an I/P converter. In a nutshell, when the controller output is at 4ma, the valve gets 3 psi and the valve is either fully closed or fully open. (Depending upon the system design). So, we can stroke the valve from 0% to 100% by changing the current output of the controller. I hope that helps?
@@realpars so the way to control the device with PID output is dependant on the specific system we are implementing PID to? For different devices the converting needs to be done differently?
@@singleaspringle6941 We're not actually "controlling" a device. We "operate" a device that acts on the process. We are controlling a process. We manipulate the process with some type of final actuator that is operated by the controller.
@@realpars excellente response
@@realpars This is called Executive Unit
How to make this video. What software has been used?
Thank you, Amar! I am actually not sure, as the animations are created by our graphic and animation department.
@@realpars Thanks. I like your tutorial. Follow everything. And i enroll your paid Course. 🥰
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Lots of know-it-all frogmen in this comment section...Thank you realPars, for this very informative and introductory video to PIDs.
Glad you enjoyed it! You're very welcome
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Why not use an analog system instead of a digital system?
Hi @Stinky McCheese. sorry, but I'm not sure what digital system you are referring to?
The graph PV vs. time at 4:36 is completely wrong. With proportional term only, the PV steady value can not be larger than PV. Read again the classical textbooks or run more carefully the simulators!
Hello Mihai Dinca. You have a fine eye for detail. We're assuming you are referring to SP and PV. We thank you for pointing out this graphical faux pas. On rare occasions, graphics that are in an original storyboard don't get translated as they should. We look forward to hearing from you again in the future.
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The proportional control is wrong, You can't have an output bigger than the set point only with a proportional. When the Kp tends to infinity the stationary error tends to zero, but It is only theory, in practice when the Kp is very big, the output oscilate.
Hello @Gustavo Aquino. Thanks for reaching out........ About your fist point, check out our reply to Mihai Dinca 2 months ago where we explained that on rare occasions, graphics that are in an original storyboard don't get translated as they should. As per your second point, we agree totally. Increasing the Gain will certainly get you closer to the septpoint, but if you set it too high, the output will oscillate.
I only know from the classic book by Katsuhiko Ogata without seeing real physical instrument used in industry.
Can you please tell the book name
@@medikondasreebalaji6051 Modern Control Engineering
Thank you
@@medikondasreebalaji6051 It's a pleasure. Hope you enjoy reading that classic book.
PID vs fuzzy logic controller
Sir. We need tagalog translator for clearly understand
Hello, @linbertsaturinas1803. Currently, all our videos are available in English only. We appreciate your understanding and wish you a great learning experience!
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