I have been saying all of this over the last many years and videos, probably about 90% of what Serge has already said that I had already resolved with my own numbers. But it was great to hear Serge tell it like it is and letting us know the statistics that he is telling us about the teams of people that were working on it. But I will make a couple of points. I do believe I am coming from a different perspective in the fact that I’m not just doing DataRecovery and I also come from a forensics and a server background, and managed IT for over 30 years, as well as teaching data recovery classes for over 15 years. Many of you are much smarter than I am, and you probably have already figured out that this is where we were at. 1: What Serge is describing is the migration from a good business model to a very bad business model. What I mean is is that clearly even if we have this handful of people that are experts that could share this information in order to accomplish the tasks, even at a higher rate, eventually, there is no way to avoid the fact that this is not a good business, money making adventure. I will let you guys read into what that means but I see the future as a very difficult. Even if you are the best at what you are doing, it doesn’t necessarily make it a good business model to make money. Nikola Tesla was one of the brightest people in the world, but he still died poor. 2: There was a tool at one time that was a little bit similar in functionality, but clearly not as great as USB stabilizer is. I’m not going to tell how wonderful the tool is because I did have it and use it, but it was created by Salvation Data almost 20 years ago. The main thing that it did that I had also discussed with Serge many years ago was its ability to intercept the drive telling the operating system it had fallen off-line. It did a couple of more things, but it wasn’t great, and it went by at least two different names at one point, but it was something like data copy king or something similar . The only thing of value that I can say it is similar in any way is its ability to have this plug-in box that intercepted the drive instability, so that the software could continue to process, even if the drive got powered off and power back on in a failure. I am in no way trying to diminish what USB stabilizer does as a fabulous tool. 3:Will hard drives die? While Serge is correct in one of the statements which is he does not believe that hard drives will die, the problem is, hard drives will die as far as being seen in the data recovery service. The reason I say this is eventually all hard drives will be basically being sold to enterprises or server based Cloud companies, and raid arrays. The issue is yes a drive may die, but the point is supposed to be that they are redundant, and that there is systems that already backed them up and already had multiple drives in use. And very few of these companies will be in a position where they will send the drive off for a repair. As an example of the disappearing drive, I know for a fact that many companies are switching 100% all workforce being on devices like a surface pro. They like the idea that it’s encrypted, and that it is very difficult to recover, and that their nurses and doctors can carry them around and not worry about a dying drive in the normal setting. It is now getting to be very rare that a home even has a hard drive. All the new laptops and iPads and everything else are all solid state and very few people are buying a spinning disk for home use, or even in small to medium business. A very large amount of homes at this point no longer have anything except SSD devices. Many even small businesses are even going to raid array ssds, as bad an option as that is. So while a hard drive might still exists. It’s not going to be the kind of thing anyone’s going to send in or DataRecovery except in rare cases. 4: Eventually, all current SSDs and hard drives will eventually be gone and be replaced with something similar to race track memory or something similar probably almost overnight (like within two years of release). It is probably time to start considering moving to some new field instead of data recovery. It will be too expensive and too time-consuming to be able to make a living at in the not to near future. Good luck…..
Serge, I appreciate your videos, I really find them very useful. I have dedicated myself for many years to repairing computers, and since operating systems (especially Windows) fail less and less, my work was diminishing. That's why I started data recovery a few years ago, and by the way, thanks to RapidSpar (which my son saw the ad and told me) for the last few years I've been actively recovering data. So much so that I am thinking of buying more RapidSpar or DeepSpar equipment. I would like to see in a short text or video what equipment is available and what is the application of each of them, since I have seen DeepSpar, Spark, RapidSpar, etc. equipment.
Serge, thank you so much for this awesome and instructive video. Lots of information that I was only perceiving through reading posts on your forum (autsarl here) or on several other forums.
Yes Serge is absolutely correct.Firmware and firmware encryption, the hidden booting process,the locking of rom , modules, making helium filled drives,shrinking data on a platter, shrinking ssd transistors,adding extra roms,and many new techniques will make firmware repairs, and data recovery very difficult.So what would remain is instability issues.Many companies would shut down,Even certain manufacturers are diverted into teaching.We are seeing an era of Sunset in data recovery for certain companies.This is a fact which Serge has made it crystal clear thou some may still be positive to get results from encryption and firmware failures.Correcting drive instabilities will be the only hope to make some money.
Yes, and perhaps 'odd' logical cases (and RAID). I mean I slightly disagree with the logical recovery being nothing more than a press of the button. Perhaps a niche, but I seem to be attracting (logical) cases that are not solved by using button press type file recovery tools but that are in fact recoverable, or partially recoverable. But of course data lost due to deletion + TRIM are also a factor where it concerns logical data recovery. However many people overestimate effect of TRIM though and seem to erroneously assume logical data recovery from SSD is always impossible due to TRIM. There's plenty of scenarios where TRIM does not 'fire'. One problem also seems to be to stay on top of /everything/ and follow and understand every development.
Awesome video Serge, thanks for taking the time to create it. I agree with most of your conclusions about the industry, it clarified it for me from equipment manufacturer POV. Not a very encouraging future but it is what it is and obviously we've been feeling it in the past few hears. Hopefully the industry will evolve to resolve the upcoming challenges.
Terrific to know about your point of view about the future and all that. Unfortunately, not many people (specially IT guys) knows this and I will try to make them aware, because many data loss is primarily done by them. Please, keep them coming and enlighten us, because we need to learn every day and share our knowledge as well!
Great video Serge. Well explained and presented. I agree with 99% of everything you say, apart from I don't think read instability issues will be quite as easy as time goes on. We have found from WD SMR drives that read instability issues can cause secondary translator failure. Even with UA blocked in PC-3000. So without access to firmware changes/blocking I still think we will see a lot of drives killed just be reading them.
8:05 That example right there is the key info; as a pro you need to be able to assess the percentage of each one of the 3 types of recovery cases you typically deal with. At our shop, in the last 2 years I have been there, I'd say about 50% (or more) were logical issues which a good software would do the job. Reading stability/ bad sectors cases were about 20%-25% and completely dead (mechanical failures/Class 100 clean room) cases were about 20%-25%. Even though software alone was able to tackle the reading instability issues, it took way too long to recover, recovered usable data % was less and also the inherent damage to the failing drive was much more significant. Serge is very informative, courteous and helpful with his service. My only regret was purchasing the RapidSpar system later on instead of a year or so earlier.
What I understood from this video is that the Data Recovery future will consider only in the SSDs drives business. and the chance to recover these drives is too low. I think is going to Laptop repair business is more better than Data Recovery business in the near future and better income.
Chance may be low, it's simple to diagnose too. Without too much trouble it's possible to determine if it's part of the (now) 20% recoverable, read instability portion. If it is, it is relatively easy to recover. I see no reason why I wouldn't accept an end user (is this what you mean, end user business?) case as long as he understands chance is quite poor.
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I have been saying all of this over the last many years and videos, probably about 90% of what Serge has already said that I had already resolved with my own numbers. But it was great to hear Serge tell it like it is and letting us know the statistics that he is telling us about the teams of people that were working on it. But I will make a couple of points. I do believe I am coming from a different perspective in the fact that I’m not just doing DataRecovery and I also come from a forensics and a server background, and managed IT for over 30 years, as well as teaching data recovery classes for over 15 years. Many of you are much smarter than I am, and you probably have already figured out that this is where we were at.
1: What Serge is describing is the migration from a good business model to a very bad business model. What I mean is is that clearly even if we have this handful of people that are experts that could share this information in order to accomplish the tasks, even at a higher rate, eventually, there is no way to avoid the fact that this is not a good business, money making adventure. I will let you guys read into what that means but I see the future as a very difficult.
Even if you are the best at what you are doing, it doesn’t necessarily make it a good business model to make money. Nikola Tesla was one of the brightest people in the world, but he still died poor.
2: There was a tool at one time that was a little bit similar in functionality, but clearly not as great as USB stabilizer is. I’m not going to tell how wonderful the tool is because I did have it and use it, but it was created by Salvation Data almost 20 years ago. The main thing that it did that I had also discussed with Serge many years ago was its ability to intercept the drive telling the operating system it had fallen off-line. It did a couple of more things, but it wasn’t great, and it went by at least two different names at one point, but it was something like data copy king or something similar . The only thing of value that I can say it is similar in any way is its ability to have this plug-in box that intercepted the drive instability, so that the software could continue to process, even if the drive got powered off and power back on in a failure. I am in no way trying to diminish what USB stabilizer does as a fabulous tool.
3:Will hard drives die? While Serge is correct in one of the statements which is he does not believe that hard drives will die, the problem is, hard drives will die as far as being seen in the data recovery service. The reason I say this is eventually all hard drives will be basically being sold to enterprises or server based Cloud companies, and raid arrays. The issue is yes a drive may die, but the point is supposed to be that they are redundant, and that there is systems that already backed them up and already had multiple drives in use. And very few of these companies will be in a position where they will send the drive off for a repair. As an example of the disappearing drive, I know for a fact that many companies are switching 100% all workforce being on devices like a surface pro. They like the idea that it’s encrypted, and that it is very difficult to recover, and that their nurses and doctors can carry them around and not worry about a dying drive in the normal setting. It is now getting to be very rare that a home even has a hard drive. All the new laptops and iPads and everything else are all solid state and very few people are buying a spinning disk for home use, or even in small to medium business. A very large amount of homes at this point no longer have anything except SSD devices. Many even small businesses are even going to raid array ssds, as bad an option as that is. So while a hard drive might still exists. It’s not going to be the kind of thing anyone’s going to send in or DataRecovery except in rare cases.
4: Eventually, all current SSDs and hard drives will eventually be gone and be replaced with something similar to race track memory or something similar probably almost overnight (like within two years of release).
It is probably time to start considering moving to some new field instead of data recovery. It will be too expensive and too time-consuming to be able to make a living at in the not to near future.
Good luck…..
Amazing video serge, you identified every doubt i had and went ahead and bought the Usb stabilizer just after watching your video👍
Serge, I appreciate your videos, I really find them very useful.
I have dedicated myself for many years to repairing computers, and since operating systems (especially Windows) fail less and less, my work was diminishing.
That's why I started data recovery a few years ago, and by the way, thanks to RapidSpar (which my son saw the ad and told me) for the last few years I've been actively recovering data.
So much so that I am thinking of buying more RapidSpar or DeepSpar equipment.
I would like to see in a short text or video what equipment is available and what is the application of each of them, since I have seen DeepSpar, Spark, RapidSpar, etc. equipment.
Serge, thank you so much for this awesome and instructive video. Lots of information that I was only perceiving through reading posts on your forum (autsarl here) or on several other forums.
Yes Serge is absolutely correct.Firmware and firmware encryption, the hidden booting process,the locking of rom , modules, making helium filled drives,shrinking data on a platter, shrinking ssd transistors,adding extra roms,and many new techniques will make firmware repairs, and data recovery very difficult.So what would remain is instability issues.Many companies would shut down,Even certain manufacturers are diverted into teaching.We are seeing an era of Sunset in data recovery for certain companies.This is a fact which Serge has made it crystal clear thou some may still be positive to get results from encryption and firmware failures.Correcting drive instabilities will be the only hope to make some money.
Yes, and perhaps 'odd' logical cases (and RAID). I mean I slightly disagree with the logical recovery being nothing more than a press of the button. Perhaps a niche, but I seem to be attracting (logical) cases that are not solved by using button press type file recovery tools but that are in fact recoverable, or partially recoverable. But of course data lost due to deletion + TRIM are also a factor where it concerns logical data recovery. However many people overestimate effect of TRIM though and seem to erroneously assume logical data recovery from SSD is always impossible due to TRIM. There's plenty of scenarios where TRIM does not 'fire'.
One problem also seems to be to stay on top of /everything/ and follow and understand every development.
Awesome video Serge, thanks for taking the time to create it. I agree with most of your conclusions about the industry, it clarified it for me from equipment manufacturer POV. Not a very encouraging future but it is what it is and obviously we've been feeling it in the past few hears. Hopefully the industry will evolve to resolve the upcoming challenges.
Thank you, Serge. If an informal format means more content, I'm all for it.
Terrific to know about your point of view about the future and all that. Unfortunately, not many people (specially IT guys) knows this and I will try to make them aware, because many data loss is primarily done by them. Please, keep them coming and enlighten us, because we need to learn every day and share our knowledge as well!
Thanks Serge for a great insight into the future trend of Data recovery!! Very informative. .
Awesome video! Thanks for putting in the effort, Serge. Incredibly informative insights!
Verry Good Video Serge Sir
Great video Serge. Well explained and presented. I agree with 99% of everything you say, apart from I don't think read instability issues will be quite as easy as time goes on. We have found from WD SMR drives that read instability issues can cause secondary translator failure. Even with UA blocked in PC-3000. So without access to firmware changes/blocking I still think we will see a lot of drives killed just be reading them.
8:05 That example right there is the key info; as a pro you need to be able to assess the percentage of each one of the 3 types of recovery cases you typically deal with. At our shop, in the last 2 years I have been there, I'd say about 50% (or more) were logical issues which a good software would do the job. Reading stability/ bad sectors cases were about 20%-25% and completely dead (mechanical failures/Class 100 clean room) cases were about 20%-25%.
Even though software alone was able to tackle the reading instability issues, it took way too long to recover, recovered usable data % was less and also the inherent damage to the failing drive was much more significant.
Serge is very informative, courteous and helpful with his service. My only regret was purchasing the RapidSpar system later on instead of a year or so earlier.
Great information!
Excellent video Serge.
Very informative. Thank you.
With regards to companies closed 20.. - 2022, we should not forget impact of Corona of course which may have impacted those perhaps.
Also the wars between countries which also impacted a lot through the whole world 😢
This is facts
I wanted him to talk about phone recovery?
The data recovery nowadays is like the rights to repair. It need to change. It cannot go this way. And it musnt!
What I understood from this video is that the Data Recovery future will consider only in the SSDs drives business. and the chance to recover these drives is too low.
I think is going to Laptop repair business is more better than Data Recovery business in the near future and better income.
Chance may be low, it's simple to diagnose too. Without too much trouble it's possible to determine if it's part of the (now) 20% recoverable, read instability portion. If it is, it is relatively easy to recover. I see no reason why I wouldn't accept an end user (is this what you mean, end user business?) case as long as he understands chance is quite poor.